YTSEJAM Digest 4212
Today's Topics:
1) Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
2) Re: images and words overdubs
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
3) RE: Fire Donations
by "Justin Cassidy" <cassidy1@ptialaska.net>
4) Darick imposter is... THE BLIND GUY!!!!!
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
5) I saw the question, but forgot to answer it. :)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) 80's Song Satires Re-Re-Re-Re-Visited...
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Live CD
by AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
8) Re: Click Tracks (Ok I'll shut up now)
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
9) Derek Eruption
by NckyLemons@aol.com
10) Re: Who's Mike Bahr?
by MentolPyro@aol.com
11) Eddie/Randy
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) A simple request.
by Rushian953@aol.com
13) Apples. Oranges...
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Derek Imposter
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
15) SX, WW leading to minor DTC
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
16) STOP COMPARING
by Greg1680@aol.com
17) Re: In defense of AOL
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
18) Re: Steve Vai? We don't need no stinking Steve Vai!
by al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980821082939.539004189A-100000@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 Calvin6S@aol.com wrote:
>
> Matt's Johnston wrote in with:
>
> > Umm, Mike, how about if DT includes coupons in their CDs' -- "Half off of
> > any reciever and speakers totalling $1000 or more" C'mon, if it can't
> > sound good on every system (or at least the one the majority ofpeople
> > have), then why even sell it?
>
> Okay, I know this is your OPINION - but I have recorded and mixed "lo-fi"
> recording/demos of bands and getting something to sound good on EVERY system
> is impossible.
Touche. I was misinformed.
>
> I don't think the complaining on the mix of FII is worthless. If you
> have noticed something and can specifically point it out, you are atleast
> giving the band feedback on what you (the buying public) like and don't like.
> I don't see anything wrong with that. But if you are just going to say "FII
> sucks dick - its not as good as Awake - Shirley did a terrible job", you
> aren't really giving anybody anything to work with except a headache.
>
Heh heh heh... okay. I replied privately to a request similar to this, so
I'll give it to you the same way...
Annnyways, I was listening to FII last night, and I noticed the snares on
some of the songs (PS for example) sound like their upper frequencies have
just been cut off. On PS, the entire drum track sounds like it's on a TV
(the 14Khz+ range of sound sounds missing). The bass drums on most all
the songs sound mushy (farty, for lack of a better term). They sound like
a badly-encoded .mp3 file (maybe there's a bit of preverb on the bass
drums). It lacks the dry, tight "hit-and-gone" punch the other albums
had.
My problem is mostly with the drums. I like the bass sound, though it
seems to suffer from a similar "farty punch" problem at times.
And the dynamics are close to nil. The "quiet" intro to ToT is the same
volume as the big-ass overture chords. What's with that?
Too much compression, trying to be louder than the last album. Who cares
about loud, where's the dynamics? Where's the 12-22Khz range? Why's
there all that low-midrange mush? Where's the tightness?
Sorry, I'm done ranting now. ^_^
--Matt
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"Never worry about theory as long as the machinery
does what it's supposed to do." --R. A. Heinlein
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:47:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: images and words overdubs
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980821113742.9092A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, L. Jason Hartman wrote:
>
> Yeah, the timbale parts in Metro are definitly overdubs. You can see
> him recording them in the "Making of I&W's" boot video. He's got a couple
> of them setup by themselves - like Tito Puente. :)
>
>
Not only that, but I would think that it's pretty much common
sense. During the tymbale part, you hear straight quarter notes
on the high hat. Now we all know that there's rumors going
around about Mr. Portnoy's third arm (or was that Derek's third
leg?), but as soon as I heard that, the first thing that came
to mind was "overdub"
-Al
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:50:46 -0800
From: "Justin Cassidy" <cassidy1@ptialaska.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Fire Donations
Message-ID: <001701bdb0d2$10d72d80$af7697d0@cassidy1.ptialaska.net>
I must brag now! I've turned 10 people on to DT, one of which is now a
fellow worshipper, and he's turned another 10 people on to DT.
Spreadin' the word, JMC
np: queensryche: operation mindcrime (just got it!! it rocks)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:07:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Darick imposter is... THE BLIND GUY!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980821090451.7187C-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Honest... It's me! I'm turning myself it. Even though I can't access
Netscape since I run DOS and I wouldn't know how to forge an e-mail... I
did it... Now since I discovered the true culprit, I want my lifetime
tickets. Oh, and Darick, this time when you come through SF, shake hands
with a couple of us. I mean, I know you've got exploits under way, but
you're the only member of the band a lot of us didn't get to say, "rock
on" to. OK, you don't have to, but... Have fun this show and see you
soon. B3e well.
Matt B
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"With Man gone, will there be hope for Gorilla?... With Gorilla gone,
will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin)
"A dominatrix to the first degree, she'd rather die than set you free,
hook line and sinker is what she wants, a nasty bitch she's no debutante."
(Mike Portnoy?, Rising Power, Goddess of Pain and Pleasure)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:31:09 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I saw the question, but forgot to answer it. :)
Message-ID: <000601bdcd1e$7d893960$43f086cc@korgx3>
>KorgX3:
> You never answered my question. I'll try again...
>Where does the white go when the snow melts?
Callus went away... To the place where lovers stay... Callus went away...
Fuckin' Enigma. What's that supposed to mean?
Coward!?!? Cak. cak. I just hacked my boss' chocolate cake through my
nose. Thanks. Thanks alot.
Where does the white go? OK. Nature has a rather obtuse way of recycling
color. There's all these little invisible potato bugs called fuzzlewhumps
that float through some demi-ethereal plane. Color is ethereal, yet we can
see it. Anyway, when a color has been used up, fuzzlewhumps are always
around to consume it. They eat color. Snow never really melts, it's just
eaten by fuzzlewhumps. Heat aggitates the little guys to work faster.
People only think snow is melting in the heat, but it's only because the
hotter it gets, the more the fuzzlewhumps eat. Now the white color of snow
is what holds it together. After the color is consumed, the initial water
is left behind. After the FW's eat, they occasionally transcend into our
plane to become white splatters on our cars often mistaken for bird doo doo.
The ones that don't transcend are often inhaled and recycled in that way,
becoming stains in your shorts after having wild dreams about Martha
Stewart.
Man, I feel sorry for any kids I might have.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:42:34 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 80's Song Satires Re-Re-Re-Re-Visited... Message-ID: <000701bdcd1e$7ee08c00$43f086cc@korgx3>
>"Can't get no lovin' >Can't find no whore >My nutsack is >a carnivore"
To be sung to the tune "Centerfold" by the J. Guiles Band. -- KorgX3 "My angel is a centerfold..."
NP: Creedence Clearwater Revival: Chronicle
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:10:00 -0300 From: AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Live CD Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A719C3F5C@CORREIO>
Hi jammers!!
Can anybody, please, tell me if the upcomming live CD will contain tracks from the dutch acoustic show? I've checked out UACM web page and according to Mr. Portnoy it will only cover the Paris concert. How about the acoustic songs?
Alexandro
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:17:35 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Click Tracks (Ok I'll shut up now) Message-ID: <35DD9D9F.5E3@rollanet.org>
I will agree with ya on that point there Dave, it was a little extreem, however, I had not much time to type a more "respectable" response... so, maybe I can now :) I have always, when recording, used click tracks, and when I practice, it's usually with DT cds, or other quality drumming material (Megadeth, etc.). So, what is my point? yes click tracks are very important, AND when playing with CD's, especially DT and the like, you are in effect, playing with someone who WAS playing with a click track. I play more with Cd's than with click tracks(haven't recorded in a while), but it has the same benefits, and helps you immensely if yer in a cover band(obviously) which was my most recent band(need a new one). I did not mean to suggest you made the "biggest mistake of your life" of course. And I understand the time limits involved at times with redording and all :( But, as a drummer, I can rightfully say that timing is the key element, and ways to make that closer to perfect are very important...
Oh, and to AnathemA: ya got it wrong man, the drummer's job ain't to just keep a groove, we are there to save all your asses on stage!! :)
NOTICE THE SMILEY, WHICH INDICATES SARCASM
Tom Cox > > Guys, > > My final word... I thought that Tom was a little extreme to > suggest that I had made the worst decision of my life not to use click > tracks, but I would suggest that everyone that can use them - should. I > personally don't like them, this is due mainly to the fact that my band > played, what we always called "Techno-head-metal", that is hectic, > technical thrash with a whole bunch of crazy riffs and time changes. > When you're doing a 3 song demo in a 16 track studio over the space of 3 > days, fucking around with click tracks is never high on the agenda. > > I've never actually sat with a metronome to see how in/out of > time our work was, but I was always proud of the outcome and that is the > main thing. It is good to see some drum threads happening though! - > keep it up guys. > > Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:22:38 EDT From: NckyLemons@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek Eruption Message-ID: <5dbd2946.35dd9ecf@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/21/98 11:43:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Derek, Can you settle something for us? I'm under the impression that you've played Eruption on your keyboard either completely or in pieces. Any truth to that? >>
at one tome I played the 32 note excerpt of eruption during the awake tour for a few shows, then my friend Al Pitrelli told me that it was tacky so I stopped. Derek
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:32:41 EDT From: MentolPyro@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Who's Mike Bahr? Message-ID: <488f2beb.35dda12a@aol.com>
Johnny Carwash wrote:
<< So sit ya butt down, have a beer, and wait the 6-8 months or longer like everyone else who bought a disc from Mike did. >>
i'd just like to let everyone know i got my two boots in about 3 weeks
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Eddie/Randy Message-ID: <19980821163959.5833.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
>>Neil wrote:
>> There wasn't a guitarist then or now who could play like that (except Ed). While he >> is not the fastest or most technical guitarist on the planet, Ed's style is inimitable.
Inflammabl@aol.com replied:
>** He may be.. but I was just stating that Randy did it first. He > started the tapping thing and was the first to do it. This isn't a > pissing contest as to who is better, its an opinion of who did it first**
OK, I'm confused here. Van Halen 1 was released in 1978, Ozzy's first with Randy was in 1981. It would seem that Eddie was first to bring the tapping technique into popularity in hard rock. If Randy was first, that would mean he was doing it before '77. Eddie would have to see it, learn it, practice it and play it all before 1978. I thought that when Van Halen was headlining clubs in 1977, and signing a record deal, that Quiet Riot with Randy was just starting out and playing their first gigs.
As far as the tapping technique history, I believe that tapping was done by jazz musicians even earlier. Emmett Chapman (Chapman Stick inventor) told me at a Stick demo in 1981 that he had picked up tapping from another jazz player in the 60's. Emmett's expirimentation with tapping on guitar lead him to the idea that with 4 extra fingers, he could play more strings. So he came up with the Stick.
As for other inventive techniques, I believe that Jimmy Page took the Violin bow idea from an earlier blues player, and Eddie got the idea for the "electric drill" from Paul Gilbert.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:07:57 EDT From: Rushian953@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A simple request. Message-ID: <24137427.35dda96f@aol.com>
Hello all!! I am a DT enthusiest with a request from all you DT diehards... I was wondering if anyone of you could be as so kind to e-mail me a complete set of lyric transcrips, from Majesty Demo through Falling into Infinity. If so I would be eternally greatfull... Thanks a million Joe
"Genius is the fire that lights itself." Buddy Rich
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:04:09 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Apples. Oranges... Message-ID: <003c01bdcd26$907e75a0$43f086cc@korgx3>
>so saying the above quote is quite erroneous. And as for the Randy >Rhoads-EVH comparison, keep in mind that Randy was playing the club scene
God, not another one of these. :P Opening statement: There is NO comparison between Eddie, Randy, Steve, or any other guitarists. Why do you people always have to compare one thing to another?
Ed is THE rock guitarist. He developed many tapping and harmonic techniques that many other guitarists strive to learn to this day. He set a basis for what alot of rock guitar player wanted to and still want to play like. I'm not saying he's THE best, but alot of modern rock guitar players rely on techniques that Ed developed.
Randy was a classically trained guitarist. His ensuing goal was to incorporate classical and rock in new way. I think his ideas probably would have transcended Yngwie's classical interpretations by a long way. I wish we could've seen where he'd have taken us.
Steve is just fucked up. He does things with his guitar that are so unorthodox you can't even group him with the others. You're talking about a guy who plays harp harmonics with his nadz.
> If you remember, when VH released 5150, DLR released Eat Em and Smile. I >don't think there's any question the Vai is a superior guitarist to Eddie, >so saying the above quote is quite erroneous.
Really... Clarify the factual information indicating what makes Steve such a superior guitarist then? Oh! You like him more than Ed? Geeee... One size does NOT fit all, pal. :P
I really hate hearing these "My guitarist is better than your guitarist" threads. Sorry if I'm bitter. I just don't judge people like that. -- KorgX3 NP: Merry Axemas, a guitar Christmas. What's my favorite song off this album? Let me just say Brian Setzer rocks my nadz.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:13:58 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek Imposter Message-ID: <v01510100b2034a4635f9@[194.7.177.104]>
Hi all,
I was thinking about this imposter thing and I remembered something about tracing messages. Every message has a unique ID number, right? The imposter's msg ID was: 35D97C1D.4A5404BD@aol.com. Now, if I remember correctly from a Unix course I took once, every account on the Net has a unique IP number. So, wouldn't it be possible for AOL to trace the msg with the ID above to the IP number from which it was sent, I mean, it DID go through one of their servers, right? Surely they can't be that bad an ISP that noone would know how to do this? Just a thought.
Take care,
FiveNgroK
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck." (Kevin Moore)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:15:45 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SX, WW leading to minor DTC Message-ID: <v01510100b2035b8342aa@[194.7.231.67]>
Hi all,
A few months ago I bought Without Warning's third cd, "Step Beyond". The case has a sticker on it saying WW would be on tour this fall with Symphony X. I've noticed that both bands will be playing at Powermad this weekend. Now what I would like to know is:
1. Are they planning to tour in Europe? 2. If so, will Belgium be ignored as usual? 3. Why the hell is John Petrucci mentioned in the liner notes of WW's cd? (I told you there was DTC)
I really like this band. They may not be prog in a DT way, but they're still prog. The drummer's very talented and the vocalist is absolutely amazing! Actually, I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen them mentioned before on the Jam, them being a US prog band and all. If you stumble upon "Step Beyond", give it a listen, I'm sure you won't be disappointed (sp?).
Take care,
FiveNgroK
CP: Magellan - Test of Wills
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck." (Kevin Moore)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:46:56 EDT From: Greg1680@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: STOP COMPARING Message-ID: <de0bd13f.35ddb291@aol.com>
Well I have been reading snipets from the past few ytsejams and I just wanted to comment on something. You guys should stop comparing Guitarists between eachother as well other musicians. Each of them are unique. Like the Randy Rhoads and Eddie thing, In my opinion they can each do what the other did. Either way I like what they both did for each of their bands.This goes the same for Derek and Kevin. I bought Kevin's solo cd and I love it but meanwhile I am a big fan of Derek's work. So to conclude it's best not compare musicians but just sit back and enjoy thier work. Greg
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: In defense of AOL Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980821135227.13453F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
That's bull. There are tons of other national isps. Hell, you can go to prodigy or compuserve for that matter. Also, there's Concentric Network, Mindspring, Earthlink, and several others. People just take aol because it is the easy way out. Look, I have aol version 3.0 on my machine. This is so that everybody else can use it to get online, because nobody wants to hook up to my brother's 386 and use his 14.4 modem. I guess I can't blame them, but as long as people use my aol account, my computer sucks. My girlfriend had a severe hard drive crash because of all of her pathetic family members using aol. My friend is always crashing when he is online with aol. So, you tell me. Now, let's not keep this on the jam. Any aol-ers want to take this up with me, email me in private. Don't keep this on the list. I will gladly make you feel idiotic in private email. And to Mike and Derek, if you want ideas about another ISP, email me and I will help you out.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:08:17 -0500 () From: al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Steve Vai? We don't need no stinking Steve Vai! Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.980821130220.-942491A-100000@area3.mty.itesm.mx>
Well, i read that Steve did not programmed the piano stuff himself......he hired some guy to do it for him. I read that Vai actually transcribed the music for that piano part, and because the programming into a sequencer takes a lot of time, he hired some guy. Actually, he didnt hire the guy to program that part only....Vai has tons of stuff only in transcriptions he has done over the years, and gives "the dirty job" of programming that to some guy.
The amazing shit is how Steve writes a song or a part of a song in just a piece of paper, never playing it on his (or the instrument desired) instrument before, that s how he composed "Liberty". The guy hears it all in his brain....shit!!!!
Mauricio
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, KorgX3 wrote:
> > >Great, great piece! What a playing! And then, I opened the CD booklet > >and saw that Vai's playing it!!! Get outta here! :-) > > >programmed the keys on a sequencer and had it play the parts for him. > > Yah, but hell, just because he programmed that into a sequencer doesn't mean > he doesn't play keys. You have to remember, that part of TFGS is fucking > intricate. As I recall, he did do some of the other keyboard work on that > album and on previous albums. I don't think it's fair to degrade his piano > ability because he sequenced that. I probably would have myself. :) It's > tough. > > I wish I had the Cd with me cuz I think there's parts where he plays the > drums and bass, too. Not to mention he did damn good on the vocals. > > Did I mention he played guitar? > -- > KorgX3 > >
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