YTSEJAM Digest 4207
Today's Topics:
1) re : Enchant
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
2) Re: FII
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
3) Re: Monica Lewinsky etc etc ...
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
4) Steve Vai? We don't need no stinking Steve Vai!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
5) messages not going through
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
6) Oh my God, they've muted Damon!!! You bastards!!!
by Jason Earle <026831@bah.com>
7) Eddie VH & Derek - take 3!!!!
by Portnoy420@aol.com
8) re: VH/ Hagar/Roth
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
9) Re: Frank Zappa
by "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
10) Is it just me?
by Jason Earle <026831@bah.com>
11) Click Tracks.
by Inflammabl@aol.com
12) BassGrrl
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
13) Today's sermon: It's just you.
by "Rabbi Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Re: re : Enchant
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
15) Re: FII
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re: Oh my God, they've muted Damon!!! You bastards!!!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
17) Re: Eddie VH & Derek - take 3!!!!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
18) Re: Little Stevie Vai, blah blah
by Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
19) Who's Mike Bahr and what's on the HY single?
by ShadowBor@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:33:00 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re : Enchant
Message-ID: <35DCF87C.2A93@fh-niederrhein.de>
Korgx3 wrote :
>Yah, my bad. I saw the Benignus leaving part and too shocked to refer to
>anything else, therefore jumped to a conclusion. I never knew anything
>about this before. But apparently, he rejoined the band prior to Wounded
>and is still in the band. That explains why he was absent from the Yes
>recordings, but appeared on Wounded. http://www.insideout.de/ has the
>scoop. (Thanks Steffen!) It's not completely up to date (But Steffan's post
>said he was working on this!) and it says nowhere of Ed's departure,
>although Ed's bio is absent from the official (ccnet) homepage leading me to
>believe it's true. And that damn intro to Hostile World was one of my
>favorites, too. :(
It's official that Ed Platt has left the band early this Year. Ask Dr. Mosh.
On the new Break Out magazin (Germany) there is a new picture of Enchant
and they are only Paul, Doug, Mike (aka Benignus) and Ted.
I'm really happy that Benignus is still in the band.
P.S. The intro of Hostile World kicks ass but Wounded is not as good as Blueprint
or Time Lost (IMO).
NP : Yanni - Live At Acropolis
Arash
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:39:52 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FII
Message-ID: <v01510100b2020b5e8b08@[194.7.231.26]>
On last night's darkest-ever episode of the Ytsejam, Duskho wrote:
>FII is definetly weirdest DT album and I bet that every single fan who
>played it the first time was shocked. All this in a sense that noone
>knew what exactly to expect. When I first played it and New Millenium
>started I went: "Whow, what is this now?"
I agree with you on this. I mean, when I&W came out, I listened to like
the first
minute of PMU at the store and it completely stunned me. I actually stuttered
when I told the guy from the store: "I'll take it!".
I continued buying every DT disc that was released after that without listening
in the store, and Awake, ACoS and LaTM totally blew me away first time
listening.
So did WDADU, apart from the vocals. It's not that CD's voice is bad, it's just
harder on the ears than James' 8-P
FII just didn't have that effect on me. I had a hard time believing it was
actually
DT at first, but the album grew on me over the past eleven months.
>Also the whole album has this dark feel to it. But it's definitely DT
>sound.
Really? I think this album is the least dark of all DT. Whereas everything
pre-FII
sounded like trying to deal with the stuff that happens to you, FII sounds
like they
ARE actually dealing with it. Just my opinion, though, I could be far off
the mark.
FiveNgroK
CP: Dream Theater - So far: ACoS, I&W, more to come
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much,
but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck."
(Kevin Moore)
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:40:00 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky etc etc ...
Message-ID: <v01510101b2022133ac25@[194.7.231.26]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, Jon Parmet wrote:
>To the leaking skull who sent a buncha individual posts claiming it was
That leaking skull would be me, good ol' FiveNgroK :-(
>too much work in ack mode to cut/paste, yet knew enough what 'procmail'
>was: Nice try :) We'll all work around you, how's that? :) Or perhaps,
I don't really know what 'procmail' is, only that you can redirect messages from
certain people straight to the bin, if you so choose. Don't know how it works,
don't use it myself. Probably one of those gadgets used by people who have
Sparcstations and think they're soooooo cool 'cause they're using Unix :-)
>you could stop jumping up and down like a puppy on the reply key when a
>post arrives, and learn to comply...
Perhaps you should've read the rest of your digests first, you might have
noticed
I've quit sending the one-liners long ago, and am now posting longer replies to
stuff, like this one 8-P
Oh, yeah, I'll learn to comply. Right, and monkeys might fly out of my butt!
Another completely worthless post brought to you by...
FiveNgroK, the leaking skull
(maybe I should procmail myself?)
PS: If this post is too long for you, I can always go back to one-liners :-)
CP: Dream Theater - So far: ACoS, I&W, FII, more to come
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much,
but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck."
(Kevin Moore)
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:20:13 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Steve Vai? We don't need no stinking Steve Vai!
Message-ID: <007401bdcc78$1cfb1240$4df086cc@korgx3>
>Great, great piece! What a playing! And then, I opened the CD booklet
>and saw that Vai's playing it!!! Get outta here! :-)
>programmed the keys on a sequencer and had it play the parts for him.
Yah, but hell, just because he programmed that into a sequencer doesn't mean
he doesn't play keys. You have to remember, that part of TFGS is fucking
intricate. As I recall, he did do some of the other keyboard work on that
album and on previous albums. I don't think it's fair to degrade his piano
ability because he sequenced that. I probably would have myself. :) It's
tough.
I wish I had the Cd with me cuz I think there's parts where he plays the
drums and bass, too. Not to mention he did damn good on the vocals.
Did I mention he played guitar?
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:34:47 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: messages not going through Message-ID: <35DC8867.1590FF7D@trw.com>
Messages won't go through to the list correctly if there is a line in it that has the word "from" as the first word on the line. This is probably the case for other mail related terms. If you are quoting someone, probably best to put a > in front of each line. With Communicator you can copy some lines then paste as quotation.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:13:36 -0400 From: Jason Earle <026831@bah.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh my God, they've muted Damon!!! You bastards!!! Message-ID: <35DC8370.CA57CEA1@bah.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:28:56 EDT > From: Portnoy420@aol.com > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Eddie VH & Derek - take 2 > Message-ID: <a90a46d8.35dc5cd9@aol.com> > > Don't know why this didn't go through the 1st time, but here it is > again: > > Damon sez: > <<<< >
OH MY GOD, NOW DAMONS MUTE, TOO!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU *DO* TO HIM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
-Da silly ol' Looooeeeeeee
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:35:27 EDT From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Eddie VH & Derek - take 3!!!! Message-ID: <15ada5e5.35dc8890@aol.com>
aawwww fuck it!
Mike Portnoy
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: VH/ Hagar/Roth Message-ID: <19980820204146.12752.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
Well, being an old Sammy Hagar fan and seeing all this talk about Hagar and Roth and influences, I have to throw my 2 cents in now.
I thought that Sammy had found his voice pretty well when the first self-titled Montrose album was released in 1973. This album is a classic, and was influencial to many of us. Of course Sammy also had a long and successful solo career before joining VH.
As for Sammy sounding like Roth, I think you all got it backwards. Roth was influenced by Sammy. In an interview after the first Van Halen was released (1978), a reporter asked Roth if he had taken some of his style from Sammy Hagar. (Especially in the "scream" department. Compare Hagar's famous scream in "Space Station #5" to early DLR screams.) Roth just smiled and laughed, and refused to comment. He implied that the reporter was correct and had "caught" him. This was before VH was big, and such a comparison was a compliment at that time, not an insult.
This is why it came as no surpise when Hagar took over for Roth. This was the sound that Roth/VH had emulated in the first place. It was only natural that Eddie would want to get the "original" in his band... It would be like Lemur Voice or Empty Tremor getting a chance to have KJLB sing in their band. (Not that there's anything wrong with the current singers in those bands!! I'm just saying that they're influenced by DT. ;o) )
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:43:09 PDT From: "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Frank Zappa Message-ID: <19980820204310.20727.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello Jammers, I've found that if you surf over to <www.vai.com>, You will find a Steve Vai discog, BUT it has ALOT of FZ stuff that he played on.... So if you like Vai and you wanna get into Zappa, this might be the way to go.
Just a thought....
later, POJ =)
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:40:48 -0400 From: Jason Earle <026831@bah.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Is it just me? Message-ID: <35DC89D0.83378BCB@bah.com>
Dude, is it just me, or is anyone else sick of seeing all of thee posts saying "Bob Gerfluudelbog from the band Thrashing Anuses is my GOD. Yeah, him and Vincente Von Finkelgruuber from Carniverous Nutsacks. They are my Gods. Pass me the reefer, dude." I'm not trying to be ultra religious, but jut cause these guys can play 512th notes while tapping with 10 fingers and fretting with their tongue does not qualify them as gods. Sure, Portnoy and Petrucci and co. are cool, and I'd probably buy them a beerif I ran into them on the street, but I think saying that someone is your "God" has got to be embarassing for the musician.
17 yr. old pot head:"Whoah, dude, it's John Petrucci. You are my GOD, dude!!!" JP:"huh?" 17 yr. old: "Yah, dude, I bow down and worship thee, oh dude who finger fucks the Ibanez. Let me kiss thy sacred nutsack." JP:(drops a can of Faygo into a sock and swings it upside the 17 yr. old's skull) "You need to mellow out. Go home and practise alternate picking."
I just get this image of that Bloom county comic strip where the 15 yr. old is talking about how he worships deathtongue. Chill out. They're not gods, they're people. They eat, they sleep, they take the occasional big hairy shit. Learn to accept this.
-Loooeeee climbs down from the soapbox to be lynched by 17 yr. old deathtongue worshipers
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:47:10 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Click Tracks. Message-ID: <38be950a.35dc8b4f@aol.com>
It's amazing that someone said that they don't like this. Everyone doesn't like them, but 99% of them use them. I believe that MP didn't on LTE because everything was done pretty much on vibe and not firmly laid down before hand. I agree with what was said before, you'd be a fool not to play without it. Here's a way to check: Take your recording, count the pulse and set a metronome to it. Then see how much you are off and trying to keep time. Remember, that's the drummers job! Later, J
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:08:52 EDT From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BassGrrl Message-ID: <38be2ddc.35dc9065@aol.com>
<<Here is what I do. I check out the used stuff and if I really really like it I get it new that way the band does get the royalties they deserve. Later, Bassgrrl>>
Sounds to me like a woman who is protecting her own interests. :-) Just a hunch -- Not, since I KNOW you are already playing professionally. You go Girl. . .
_____Nikki______________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:14:44 -0600 From: "Rabbi Korg" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Today's sermon: It's just you. Message-ID: <002201bdcc7f$ad5fede0$47f086cc@korgx3>
>old is talking about how he worships deathtongue. Chill out. They're >not gods, they're people. They eat, they sleep, they take the occasional >big hairy shit. Learn to accept this.
Dude, I think you really need to find a psychologist if you take everything so literally. Interpreting everything someone says as true indicates some sort of obsessive/compulisve disorder, doesn't it? Now that we know you have this problem we can really fuck with you though. :D
You are sitting on an anthill. You can't move. Your hands are tied behind your back and your feet are firmly bound together. The ants are aggitated. They are crawling up your legs en mass, biting. Some reach your groinal area and begin crawling up open orifices. It becomes rather painful. You struggle, but can't break the bonds. They reach your abdomen, chest. Soon they are crawling into your mouth, nose. You blink as fast as you can, but you can't stop them from crawling into your eyes. They nest in your ears. Always biting. Biting. BITING.... Make it stop. Please make it stop. Every breath is painful as you are literally drowning in ants. You still can't budge...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! -- The trash heap has spoken... Nyaaaaaahhhh!
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: re : Enchant Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980820172054.2776C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Can somebody give me some better info. Who left, and who stayed? You guys are mentioning names and I have no idea who you are talking about, instrumentation wise.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: FII Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980820172227.2776D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Yeah, but there is a sense of bitterness about the album that nobody has pointed out. Just Let me Breathe, a bitter spit at the music industry, TAMP, a bitter spit against death, (You took away my hero, won't you take away my pain), Burning my soul, (If I hurt your feelings, well I'm really sorry, but I don't give a shit ...) [I may be butchering the lyrics, but I can't read the liners, sorry]. You not me (It's all about you not me, and various other lines in that song), and probably many more. FII is a very bitter album. Not dark, there is a difference.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Oh my God, they've muted Damon!!! You bastards!!! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980820172653.2776E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
No, guys, I am not mute, yet, but that message made me laugh so hard I nearly urinated myself. Don't worry, Mike, one day you'll get it right, or get so pissed off at America Online that you change to a real service provider ..... like Monmouth Internet. :)
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Eddie VH & Derek - take 3!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980820172754.2776F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
You know, something tells me that Mike was trying to say something. Were you trying to say something Mike? Hello? Is this thing on? Damn, I am disappointed. Mike was going to reply to one of my many thousands of posts and I knew it was going to happen someday, and it doesn't work. What does aol have against me, anyway. Well, I do think they are a low-rate isp that sucks its users into the abyss and breeds spam and rips everybody off. But, that is no reason to cause this, is it? Mike, the reception is fuzzy. Speak up, man!!!! ;)
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:08:57 +0200 From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Little Stevie Vai, blah blah Message-ID: <35DC8259.C6C42491@mol.com.mk>
> From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> > Subject: Re: Little Stevie Vai, blah blah > > In YtseDigest 4202 Eckie postulated: > > What does it matter if he's still the one who wrote it? His forte's > <snip> > > Actually, he didn't write it. It was originally the intro to One Night in > Bangkok from the musical Chess by Tim Rice, Bjorn Ulvaeus, and Benny > Andersson. All apologies if I'm duping someone else's post.
OK, now it turns out it's not even his composition! Anyone wants to continue with it, while I'm young and can survive these shocks! ;-) Does anyone actually saw Vai playing guitar live? ;-) Is this stuff you mentioned that pop oldie song with lyrics that goes "One night in Bangkok...." Band name?
> From: Rob Bowen <rfbow@erols.com> > Subject: Re: Fave keyboard moments > > > - Steve Vai - Bangkok/Fire Garden Suite (piano solo) > > > > Great, great piece! What a playing! And then, I opened the CD booklet > > and saw that Vai's playing it!!! Get outta here! :-) > > Just a correction. Actually, Steve is not playing the keys on this > track. I too was floored when I thought he was (like, how does this guy > have time to practice piano!?!?),
EXACTLY the same thought as mine when heard it! :-)
> > If you don't know the stuff, FIND IT! :-) > > I agree completely. This album is incredible.
Yeah! BTW, somebody heard those new Vai projects - "Angelica" and "Merry Axemas"? I'm really interested to hear some reviews! _______________ Dushko
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:51:01 EDT From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Who's Mike Bahr and what's on the HY single? Message-ID: <e4c53e92.35dc9a46@aol.com>
As the subject says, who is Mike Bahr? And can someone tell me what songs are on the Hollow Years single, and were there any other singles for FII?
Rob
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