YTSEJAM Digest 4208
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Who's Mike Bahr and what's on the HY single?
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
2) Attenion Deficit and new DT album questions
by YtseSryche@aol.com
3) NDTC (sorry) A Yes Question...
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
4) Mike Portnoy, it has finally caught up with you...
by "J E." <je78674@hotmail.com>
5) Welcome to the United Fan Ytsejam Service
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
6) Re: God stuff
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
7) Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo
by Calvin6S@aol.com
8) Re: I'm confused! please advise!
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
9) Re: Drummer's Technique
by Calvin6S@aol.com
10) Drummers posture
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
11) Re: Drummer's Technique
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
12) Re: Drummers posture
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
13) Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
14) In defense of AOL
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
15) Van Halen - new and old
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
16) Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4200
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:59:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Who's Mike Bahr and what's on the HY single?
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980820145437.538996110A-100000@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 ShadowBor@aol.com wrote:
>
> As the subject says, who is Mike Bahr? And can someone tell me what
> songs are on the Hollow Years single, and were there any other singles for
> FII?
>
Well, two weeks ago, that first question would have illicited many a
response. As it is now, he *used* to be a bootleg operator working under
the company name Prism Records. He offered a number of Dream Theater
boots (most of which were collections rather than whole concerts) with
demos and live stuff and a lot of etc. material many of us go nuts for
(like John Arch singing WDADU songs). He also had an extensive Rush and a
growing Ryche catalogue.
This is all in the past tense. He's closed to orders and is concentrating
on his legal pursui -- a gaming shop in Arizona.
I guess the answer now is Mike Bahr's just another jammer.
I don't remember hearing about any other FII singles, and it depends on
which version you get of the HY single as to which tracks are on it (the
Euro version has 4, while the Jpnse version has 5 tracks). I have
neither, so if there's anyone out there willing to give an answer (is it
in the FAQ yet?)
Thanks,
--Matt
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"Never worry about theory as long as the machinery
does what it's supposed to do." --R. A. Heinlein
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:13:41 EDT
From: YtseSryche@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attenion Deficit and new DT album questions
Message-ID: <8c54ef3f.35dc9f96@aol.com>
Okay, I'm not sure if I made a good move, but from listening to a wav file on
the magna carta page, I ordered the album. Someone tell me if it was a good
idea!
I also wanna know if anyone knows about when the new STUDIO dream theater
album will be out, and when the nightmare cinema thing Derek mentioned will be
out. Thanks!
Tony C
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:22:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC (sorry) A Yes Question...
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980820151942.538996110B-100000@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Hey guys and gals,
I'm listening to Relayer right now, and am wondering, was any of the album
recorded live? The liner notes give a credit for "tapes by (so and so)"
and there's a reference to mobil sound equipment being used. How much of
the album was recorded outside a traditional studio, and did they play it
for a crowd when they recorded?
Sorry for the lack of DTC, but I gotta know, and I don't have access to
the a.m.y group (who'd probably kill me for asking), nor can I find it in
any FAQ I've read.
Thanks in advance,
--Matt
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"Never worry about theory as long as the machinery
does what it's supposed to do." --R. A. Heinlein
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:24:43 PDT
From: "J E." <je78674@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mike Portnoy, it has finally caught up with you...
Message-ID: <19980820222443.8538.qmail@hotmail.com>
In a recent post from our beloved drummer....
>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:35:27 EDT
>From: Portnoy420@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Eddie VH & Derek - take 3!!!!
>Message-ID: <15ada5e5.35dc8890@aol.com>
>
>
>
>aawwww fuck it!
>
>Mike Portnoy
Mike, it would appear that the YtseItis Virus has gotten a hold of you.
Fear not, there is a cure....
1) Step away from the keyboard
2) Drink plenty of fluids
3) Spike the fluids ;)
This has been a public service announcement from the YtseClinic.
Devoted to eliminating sickness and tension from the Jam :)
-Jeff "The Ytse-Surgeon-General" E.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:59:33 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Welcome to the United Fan Ytsejam Service
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:26:05 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: God stuff
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980820232605.006adee4@unet.univie.ac.at>
oh come just by saying ... is God, you cant make that mess out of it.
i mean wasnt it SOME years ago somebody said Clapton is God, and it was
funny. (Peter Green was better than God, was the answer.)
So let those who want worship and dont doo it if you dont want to.
Actually I would find it pretty cool if somebody worshipped me hehehe ;)
geez im 19 not 17!
so maybe its now time to get worshipped, try it jason, try it, give it to me!
(just kiddin)
nah, theres some truth to what you say, it may be embarrassing for a
musician, because some kids really lose the connection to reality, look at
all the boygroup stuff or kelly family. but i dont think that if you told
john he is your god he gets embarrassed.
he may take it as funny. i use to call him god. not a religious thing, just
as musician you NEED to have Gods in your instruments. And i dont think i
will ever run into john on the street, so the only time i meet him is at
gigs, where i was pleased to talk to him for a while thanks to Jordan Rudess
who smuggled me into the soundcheck. Petrucci signed my guitar and took some
time to tlak about LTE and stuff. hes a cool guy. so when i say John is God,
man dont take it too seriuosly, and i wonder how this can really ennerve anyone?
Petrucci sleeps? Really? And shits? no joke?
a lot written nothing said ;)
..and John is God, hehehehe
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:19:04 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo
Message-ID: <3ff6086a.35dcbcf9@aol.com>
Matt's Johnston wrote in with:
> Umm, Mike, how about if DT includes coupons in their CDs' -- "Half off of
> any reciever and speakers totalling $1000 or more" C'mon, if it can't
> sound good on every system (or at least the one the majority ofpeople
> have), then why even sell it?
Okay, I know this is your OPINION - but I have recorded and mixed "lo-fi"
recording/demos of bands and getting something to sound good on EVERY system
is impossible.
This is kind of the reason for a REFERENCE system. It takes a FLAT EQ look at
the situation. That way it takes an AVERAGE look at everyones system. Let's
say it was mixed on a NON-REFERENCE system and that system has a overly
emphasized BASS RESPONSE. Well, they are going to make sure to demphasize the
bass to make it sound good on this NON-REFERENCE system. Then you buy it and
your system happens to have a LOW BASS RESPONSE. So now the album sounds very
tiny on your system. By mixing it on a REFERENCE (Flat EQ) system, they find
a nice area that won't OVER emphasize or demphasize any frequency.
However, some systems just plain suck. Should they tailor to those shitty
systems so you can be happy and the people that PAY for good sound go "What
the fuck is this shit?". Screw that, anyone that doesn't buy something better
than an AIWA minisystem has already said "I don't care how it sounds", so they
shouldn't be complaining when it sounds like shit on their system.
However, I don't think the complaining on the mix of FII is worthless. If you
have noticed something and can specifically point it out, you are atleast
giving the band feedback on what you (the buying public) like and don't like.
I don't see anything wrong with that. But if you are just going to say "FII
sucks dick - its not as good as Awake - Shirley did a terrible job", you
aren't really giving anybody anything to work with except a headache.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:44 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I'm confused! please advise!
Message-ID: <35DCBC6B.4DFD@pacbell.net>
MEMKIL wrote:
>
> ok, i'm finally over the whole Dr.Mosh thing (yeah, yeah, i admit i was
> wrong), but now, i'm upset about one main thing. This is to the California
> (S.F.) people:
ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Cali Crew RUN! He lives near us???? Oh the horror!
--Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org ICQ: 4656934 http://www.dreamt.org/coldfire The Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com Gallery of Shadows http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows/
"Fly where your dreams go...." - Crystalline Dream, Shadow Gallery
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:36:54 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Drummer's Technique Message-ID: <afc8ef3.35dcc127@aol.com>
On the issue of posture:
> I agree that the good and bad drummers can be seen by technique.
Okay, I'm not gonna argue if posture makes or breaks a good/bad drummer. I am a guitarist and it took me a good 3 years to realize how I slumped over my guitar when I practiced. I didn't realize it until I moved into an apartment with the sliding closet doors that are huge mirrors. I noticed then and at the same time was going to MI where an instructor gave a VERY good lesson on posture and technique for guitar. He found out the hard way (surgery). I did notice a big improvement in my playing by doing what he said because my mind didn't have to worry about "pains" anymore.
My question is this: Can someone tell me a book or website that they have found gives a very detailed look into the posture of drummers. My little brother is starting on the drums and I want to make sure he doesn't find himself with pains before he is even 20. Reading some of the previous post, it seems there is quite a bit to it. Anyone want to help out?
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:35:17 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Drummers posture Message-ID: <01bdcc9b$91d9a900$f55299d1@default>
I totally agree, posture is extremely important. Try playing 2 or 3 45 minute sets a night with bad posture and I'll bet you'll have a hard time getting out of bed the next day. I have gone to a drum throne with a back support on it and I've found it has greatly improved my posture at the set. Now (mainly on double bass sections) I find I'm pushing myself up into the back support. If you can afford one, I suggest you check it out.
The other Mike the drummer
Mike Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:49:07 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Drummer's Technique Message-ID: <35DCC403.4642@rollanet.org>
Calvin, by now means am I a genius at every aspect of drumming, and I say quite the opposite. I will offer my opinions and thoughts though :) I use different postures depending on what I happen to be playing at the time. ie: slow steady double bas grooves, I sit nice and straight, for times when I'm playing quick accents, 32nd, 64th note type double bass accents, I tend to lean forward and yes, slump a bit, because I use ankle power rather than the complete set of legs... A good practice to help with strain is to raise or lower the throne an inch or so periodically. I have treid this when a while back a doctor suggested it that I know... It has made a difference:) hope it helps!!
Tom Cox
Calvin6S@aol.com wrote: > > On the issue of posture: > > > I agree that the good and bad drummers can be seen by technique. > > Okay, I'm not gonna argue if posture makes or breaks a good/bad drummer. I am > a guitarist and it took me a good 3 years to realize how I slumped over my > guitar when I practiced. I didn't realize it until I moved into an apartment > with the sliding closet doors that are huge mirrors. I noticed then and at > the same time was going to MI where an instructor gave a VERY good lesson on > posture and technique for guitar. He found out the hard way (surgery). I did > notice a big improvement in my playing by doing what he said because my mind > didn't have to worry about "pains" anymore. > > My question is this: Can someone tell me a book or website that they have > found gives a very detailed look into the posture of drummers. My little > brother is starting on the drums and I want to make sure he doesn't find > himself with pains before he is even 20. Reading some of the previous post, > it seems there is quite a bit to it. Anyone want to help out?
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:52:16 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Drummers posture Message-ID: <35DCC4C0.BBF@rollanet.org>
Good point Mike, but the 4th set is the killer man, posture or no, if you play that fourth set, yer in for a little soreness the next day.. Of course we always played the wildest heaviest songs in the last set, maybe that was why.... > > I totally agree, posture is extremely important. Try playing 2 or 3 45 > minute sets a night with bad posture and I'll bet you'll have a hard time > getting out of bed the next day. I have gone to a drum throne with a back > support on it and I've found it has greatly improved my posture at the set. > Now (mainly on double bass sections) I find I'm pushing myself up into the > back support. If you can afford one, I suggest you check it out. > > The other Mike the drummer > > Mike > Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:10:50 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980820211050.007f16c0@mail.clemson.edu>
>the fuck is this shit?". Screw that, anyone that doesn't buy something better >than an AIWA minisystem has already said "I don't care how it sounds", so they >shouldn't be complaining when it sounds like shit on their system.
hey, i have an aiwa minisystem. I didn't say "i don't care how it sounds," I said "i'm a poor college student". :) to tell you the truth tho, it don't sound bad. moo.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: In defense of AOL Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980820212557.10740B-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
Stop telling Mike to get a real ISP! When you are on the road as much as he is, you can appreciate the convencience of having a local AOL number to dial into and getting your account mail. I have a real ISP, but I have an AOL account too, that I can use from any computer that has AOL installed. If I had to travel as much as he did, I'd use my AOL account all the time. It may suck, but it keeps him in contact with the 'Jam while he's on tour.
-C#
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Date: 20 Aug 98 19:33:47 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Van Halen - new and old Message-ID: <199808210236.TAA10339@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
I'm a day behind on jams, so I apologize if someone has beaten me to this response..
Inflammabl@aol.com didn't think before typing: >The work they did with Sammy is mature, >unlike the work they have done with DLR and Gary Cherone.
I like all of the "eras" and I think the use of the term "mature" to describe music is gayer than a hootenanny (TM).. Your use of this term could be translated to "I like the music they played with Sammy better than the music they played with DLR and Gary."
>but let's face the real truth >(Eddie) Randy Rhodes did it first!!
I am a fan of both Randy and Eddie but IMO Eddie is clearly the better and more inventive guitarist. I think Randy had the potential to be his equal, but his life was sadly cut short as he was approaching his prime. Watch Ed's solo in, for example, the "Live Without a Net" video. There wasn't a guitarist then or now who could play like that (except Ed). While he is not the fastest or most technical guitarist on the planet, Ed's style is inimitable.
>but I must say that III sucked
I disagree - I think it's a pretty strong album, albeit shocking at first listen (to someone who has listened to all the other VH stuff in the past)..
>Eddie looks burnt
I just saw 2 shows on the "III" tour and Eddie (and the whole band) were absolutely on fire.. Totally psyched, Eddie was jumping all over the place and showing no evidence of hip problems. His guitar playing was also top-notch (as expected). Alex looks aged with the neck brace and all but hey, this is music not a fucking fashion show..
>Overall, VH isn't the same.
Nope, they're older and the music that Ed is writing is definitely a little different.
>VH was better with a musician at the helm instead >of a vocalist.
Are you implying that Gary is writing all the music these days? Ed is, and always has been, the music writer for VH. Attribute any change in style to him, for better or worse.
I guess it will always be the case with any long-lived band that has distinct musical phases that there will be fans who prefer one phase to another and who cast negative aspersions on the less-preferred eras. I can get a lot out of each phase of Van Halen, and appreciate the differences as well as the similarities (Ed's ass-kicking guitar).
I encourage anyone who is a fan of the guitar and who can be open-minded about hard rock music to give III several listens. It won't hit you immediately, but there is a good deal of depth on the album. Its diversity may also make it hard to comprehend on first listen. If you don't like it, you can always give "Fair Warning" a spin!
Jammin', -Neil.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:36:52 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: A good mix for EVERY stereo Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980820233011.25803A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, TheCowGod wrote:
> hey, i have an aiwa minisystem. I didn't say "i don't care how it sounds," > I said "i'm a poor college student". :) to tell you the truth tho, it don't > sound bad. moo.
I don't have an Aiwa Minisystem, but I do have a Sony Mini. :-) And I assure you that I only have this one because I don't have enough money to buy a better stereo. In fact, I think that I should win the lottery to buy the sound system that I really want. :-) And given that I live outside the US, things here cost a great deal more than what they cost for you (approx. two or three times the price you'd pay -- including CDs, unfortunately).
But I do try the CDs I have on many different stereos/CD players to know how they sound before claiming that the production is bad (and to see the differences of imaging). BTW, I didn't start this "productions that suck" thread.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:44:16 -0400 From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4200 Message-ID: <35DCDEFF.F2A5FD75@softhome.net>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: YtseJamJMB@aol.com > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Dream Theater and UBL > Message-ID: <42c73471.35db4922@aol.com> > > Dream Theater isn't even on the UBL top 100 list anymore. I think everyone > shoud take the time to visit a DT site through UBL to get them back on the > list. Later everyone >
Further proof that DT has a "cult" following: Scientologists use the same tactics (i.e. buying Dianetics over and over) to keep Scientology books on the best seller lists. Think we should form our own religion? The Reverend John Myung Moon perhaps? :)
Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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