YTSEJAM Digest 4214
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YtseCD
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
2) Re: Tapping
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
3) Re: images and words overdubs
by "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
4) Re: portnoy ISN'T the drummer
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
5) Re: Derek Imposter
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
6) Bangkok, Voices, dare I say MIME?
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
7) Re: Balls and Paste
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
8) Van Halen
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
9) Re: Who's Mike Bahr?
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
10) Platypus rocks!
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) not to play devil's advocate
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
12) Re: Derek Imposter
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4207
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
14) Re: album sales
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
15) AOL/AoI
by Devs0432@aol.com
16) click tracks... your right
by "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG>
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:57:49 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YtseCD
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980821165338.5281C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Craig Griffith wrote:
> Well, as it seems the YtseCD project is starting up a little again
> (possibly), I hope some of you Ytsejammers can help me out. I have
> recorded an MP3 of me and a keyboardist friend playing an original
> composition of mine called "Fall-Out Overture." Obviously, you can tell
> what's missing: bass and drums. If any of you would be willing to play
> those tracks I would be most grateful. I can probably write a bass part
> without too much trouble, but, not knowing much about playing drums, I
> couldn't do anything there. E-mail me privately or on the YtseCD list,
> please.
BTW, for those of you who don't know what the YtseCD list is,
well, it's a mailing list dedicated to making a tribute CD with music
inspired by Dream Theater (that's what's different in this tribute). If
things go well with this concept, then we might make a tribute album with
Jammer's bands covering Dream Theater songs. Perhaps we may even have a
periodical release, who knows?
If you want to subscribe to the YtseCD list, then please send a
message to <rbrito-ytsecd-request@linux.ime.usp.br> with subject
"subscribe". The subscription is an automated process. You'll receive a
message with some instructions. Keep it in a handy place.
That's all, folks.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> Subject: Re: Tapping Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980821155758.29231B-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> In addition to the aforementioned Emmett Chapman and various jazz > players, a very famous prog guitarist, Steve Hackett, used it as well. > Just listen to the "Ikhnaton and Itsacon and Their Band of Merry Men" > movement of Supper's Ready, Dancing With The Moonlit Knight, and I Know > What I Like.
..or if you want to back even further, check out the middle section of "The Musical Box" or the opening chords to "The Return Of The Giant Hogweed." EVH has stated that his tapping came from listening to Steve, so I guess we can tie Geneis into VH's future somehow. :)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:59:39 PDT From: "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: images and words overdubs Message-ID: <19980821195940.27939.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey J....
>From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> >him recording them in the "Making of I&W's" boot video. He's got a
WHAT BOOT VIDEO????
MORE INFO PLEASE!!!!!!!
thank you, POJ =o)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:04:33 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: portnoy ISN'T the drummer Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980821130432.00aac6e0@lainet.com>
>Well, Loooeeee, you just mentioned deathtongue and bloom county on the >jam.....i guess that makes you a god to me......stand up and be >worshipped, boy...... > >(and of course, in that band, deathtongue, portnoy is not the drummer, >as all good berkeley breathed fearing heathens should know)
Maybe at some point, we'll see James slick his hair back and begin the Bible Thumping sermons for us...
News anchor: "In today's music news which is never related to anything musical anymore... The progressive rock group Dream Theater announced they were changing their influences from an older selection of progressive rock bands to only one band: Stryper. Apparently, Kevin James Labrie, the groups vocalist, has had an extremely eye opening experience and claims to have 'seen the light'." -change of scene to James in tie, hair greased back, Bible in hand- "Well, it happened like this... I was walking down the street one day, when a piano Derek was pushing out of a window fell on me. When I came to, I was staring at this enormous light. I heard angels singing, and harps, and the whole nine yards. I realized I had to change my life. Since this is my life, I decided to drag the whole band into it. So we're changing our ways. At all our concerts now, we'll have prayer time, and everone will have to leave money in the pots on their way out the doors. Praise the lord!" -cut back to news studio- News anchor: "In other news, it was discovered today that Shannon Hoon, former singer of the band Blind Melon, never really died. He was found wandering around a park and apparently had a 'bad trip'."
Okay, maybe only the die hard Deth Tongue fans will get this...
Someone take away my coffee... this is too much.
-sp00L
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:15:45 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek Imposter Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980821170616.5281D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Tony De Laender wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was thinking about this imposter thing and I remembered something > about tracing messages. Every message has a unique ID number, right? > The imposter's msg ID was: 35D97C1D.4A5404BD@aol.com. Now, if I remember > correctly from a Unix course I took once, every account on the Net has a > unique IP number.
Almost that. Every *host* has a unique IP number. Or should have. I'm not an expert dealing with networks, since I'm just learning about TCP/IP. In fact, I've been learning for over one year, but the damn thing got so many details... :-) So many RFCs to read... :-)
Anyway, back to the subject, the accounts don't have IP numbers. The hosts have.
> So, wouldn't it be possible for AOL to trace the msg > with the ID above to the IP number from which it was sent, I mean, it > DID go through one of their servers, right? Surely they can't be that > bad an ISP that noone would know how to do this? Just a thought.
Well, every ISP worth connecting to should log the messages received by it's mail exchanger and I think that AOL should do this. With the Message-ID field, a site can check the source of the messages.
But that's not the problem. The real problem is when the messages AREN'T coming from AOL. They are sent to ax.com from a place that isn't AOL while claiming to be that the message is from AOL. If the mail exchanger(s) in ax.com doesn't(don't) keep all the headers of the messages, then you can't verify the source where the message came from. But they (ax.com) should also have logs of all messages relayed and could, at least in theory, identify where the false messages are coming from.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:20:52 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bangkok, Voices, dare I say MIME? Message-ID: <v01510102b20370d34489@[194.7.231.67]>
On last night's oriental episode of the Ytsejam, Dushko wrote:
>Is this stuff you mentioned that pop oldie song with lyrics that goes >"One night in Bangkok...." >Band name?
Yep, that's the one. It was written by Rice/Ulvaeus/Anderson, and performed by Murray Head for the Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical "Chess".
Then Michael Velders wrote:
>Does the VOICES Mailing list still exsist? I tried to subscribe to it >and it didn't work. It seems like the mailing list is by the same >owners. Anyone have any ideas/help?
The VOICES mailing list is no more. It died some time ago and nobody informed its relatives (us) until about a week ago. A memorial service will be held at the First Church of Dream Theater next week. We'll keep you posted.
Suddenly, the plot thickens ...
<A HREF and all that shit...On last night's Mime-encoded version of the episode of the Ytsejam, Jim Lancaster wrote this gastly (?sp) line:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Listen verry keerefoolly, Zjim, I shall say zis eunly wence
Go to the HELP menu and read the part on TURNING OFF THE MIME, please, you'll thank me for it someday.
FiveNgroK
CP: Magell.. Uh, no... Explorers Club - Age Of Impact
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck." (Kevin Moore)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:20:56 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Balls and Paste Message-ID: <v01510105b20379e766a7@[194.7.231.67]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, Jon Parmet unveiled his religious tastes:
>How'z about a Heavy Metal Worshipping Hour on Sunday morning in the time >slot opposite Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggert et al.
There's actually a guy named ORAL doing a religious show? What has this world come to?
>Can I get a "PRAISE THE SHRED?"
PUHRAISE DA SHREOD !!!
Our Proggers, who arth in America (well, most of them anyway) Shredding be Thy songs Thy solos come, Thy timesig changes be heard in America, and even in Belgium Give us today our daily shred, and forgive us our AOR Just as we have forgiven Bon Jovi (sorry Korg, couldn't resist 8-P) And do not lead us into the Spice Girls But deliver us from Hanson For Yours is the Kingdom of my music collection Now, and in all eternity Amen
FiveNgroK
CP: Explorers Club - Age Of Impact (Magellan on steroids !!!)
O, and Korg, stick to one pipe per day :-) Fuzzlewhumps?
She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck." (Kevin Moore)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:15:57 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Van Halen Message-ID: <199808212021.NAA15666@odin.ax.com>
I've been reading the VH thread for a while and I find it interesting. Everyone has their own ideas about the band. The likes and dislikes of the different eras. Damn, it sounds like the VH list! I started listening at the time when the switch happened. (1984/5150) I happen to like both eras for their own reason. The Dave era for the fun, the Sammy era for the great songs. Each had their strengths and weaknesses, but I loved both of them.
What do I think of "3"? It isn't their best, it isn't their worst. There are a few songs I think are pretty good, but compaired to F.U.C.K. and Balance...well it doesn't compare. Course you could say it is the first album of the new group, but 5150 messes up that theory. I'll see what they do with the next album, see if there is any chemistry, but the guys are getting old and maybe a little too set in their ways.
Personally, I give the band credit for being this successful for this long. A lineup change can kill a great band and make them just ordinary. When Sammy came on, they were able to reinvent themselves and become and even better band. They were able to keep themselves from being a nostalgia act. What about now? I don't know if lightning can strike twice. We'll see. Meanwhile I have my old VH albums and great memories to enjoy....
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music "The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises ICQ#13068879 shatter the illusion of integrity." longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:26:14 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Who's Mike Bahr? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980821162614.006c337c@mail.clemson.edu>
>Yeah I know some more about him. He is a guy that owes me 4 CDs (or >it is 3?) and won't answer e-mail I send to him. Hey Mike, I know my
dude, i wrote to him a few days ago and got a response within 12 hours. maybe he IS just ignoring your e-mail cuz you keep nagging or sumfin. i dunno the situation, just guessing. and remember, no more bahr slagging on the jam. skadz said so. nya nyah. moo.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:26:17 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'NckyLemons@aol.com'" <NckyLemons@aol.com> Subject: Platypus rocks! Message-ID: <01BDCD52.BD8EB2E0@133.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
Check it out :
http://www.dreamtheater.net/platypus/
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:49 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: not to play devil's advocate Message-ID: <19980821204949.11859.qmail@hotmail.com>
after all, Keanu and al did a pretty good job in that flick, and charlize theron, well let's not offend any of the female viewers....
but about the below, here's one particular flipside....
you have 10 bucks. you go to any store selling discs new, and more likely than not, once you get done paying sales tax, GST, PST, what not, you leave unable to afford even a single disc. But for argumanet's sake, let's say you get one disc. What is it gonna be? The new DT disc (since in this particular fantasy world it is october, and idiotic store managers have failed to realize that DT just put out a double), or the new one from BAND L (i refuse to use X), that everyone here is talking about?
probably the new DT, because with your limited cash, you'll likely go for the one that you KNOW has the better chance of satisfying you.
Scenario two, randomly generated month, you're going into a used CD store.....same $10 bucks in your pocket, but now the prices are half of what you'd pay for discs new. Not only are you able to pick up an old DT album that you had only on cassette before, but you're also able to pick up aforemetioned BAND L.
And now you know what BAND L has to offer you, and if you like it, you may very well (when you get a little wealthier) buy both bands' material new the next time they release something....
I'm not discounting the idea that bands need you to buy their stuff new for retails/marketing sake, maybe even in some cases to survive as bands (ET?), but if the used markets did not exist, I would be far far behind where I am as a fan of Fates Warning, Magellan, Genesis, and to tell trtuh, most of the bands I enjoy listening to.....used stores serve a definite purpose in getting the music of bands out to people who'd balk at paying full prices to try stuff that they don't know they'll like....
sermonizing complete, i return to my shell
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
And may the schwartz be with you! --yogurt
> ok so I guess I'm a little partial but.. think of this scenario a > band gets signed they put out a disc it sell say 10,000 copies and > then say 1,000 are old to a store and then bought again. Now thet > is technicly 11,000 copies sold but the record company sees it as > 10,000. The band then gets dropped because of lack of sales. > So the moral of the story... If you really like a band and want > them to continue to make records please buy them new. Thank you > for your support. > Juli aka Bassgrrl
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:50:49 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Derek Imposter Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980821165049.006cfae8@mail.clemson.edu>
>The imposter's msg ID was: 35D97C1D.4A5404BD@aol.com. Now, if I remember [...] >above to the IP number from which it was sent, I mean, it DID go through one >of their servers, right? Surely they can't be that bad an ISP that noone
not necessarily. the message id always is appended with the @domain of the claimed e-mail address... in this case nckylemns@aol.com or whatever. If i send an e-mail to the list right now, it would have some message id 284859345@dreamt.org although it's going through clemson's mail server. if i send it claiming my e-mail address is 'dan@aol.com' (which it's not) the message id will be something like 24098543@aol.com. Hell, i could claim my e-mail address is president@whitehouse.gov and the message id would support it. seeing as how the imposter used netscape, and aol 4.0 uses ie4 (dunno about the mail prog but i doubt they'd use microsoft for the web browser and netscape for the mail prog :), it probably didn't even go through an AOL account. anyone could do the same imposter job with a few clicks of the mouse. safe, eh? and that's my dissertation on e-mail. oh, and Arash? is kevin moore on the jam? i didn't know that. Moo.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:06:54 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4207 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980821170654.006cf278@mail.clemson.edu>
sorry for the consecutive posts, i wasn't expecting to post this much. this is my last one, i swear :)
>sold to a store and then bought again. Now thet is technicly 11,000 copies >sold but the record company sees it as 10,000. The band then gets dropped >because of lack of sales.
if they got dropped cuz 10K wasn't enough, 11K is probably not gonna make much difference to the record company execs. i think.
i just bought vanilla ice - to the extreme used cuz hell, memorabilia, i used to lsiten to that, but i sure as hell wasn't gonna pay $16 for it (and have to search no less!) but maybe i should have bought it new to give vanilla ice the royalties he deserves. :)
basically, if i really like something, i'll buy it new, but if i want to check something out, or it's something like vanilla ice or house of pain that i'm just buying for memories, i'll get it used if possible. i don't think very many jammers would buy a used DT cd instead of a new one, for example. wait, sscratch that, i'm probably wrong. but *I* wouldn't. which means nothing to you... so why did i say that? sigh. moo.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:07:29 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: album sales Message-ID: <199808212100.RAA03505@bajor.ici.net>
> ok so I guess I'm a little partial but.. think of this scenario a band > gets signed they put out a disc it sell say 10,000 copies and then say > 1,000 are sold to a store and then bought again. Now thet is technicly > 11,000 copies sold but the record company sees it as 10,000. The band then > gets dropped because of lack of sales.
Yes but this would be misleading to the record company. Yes you've sold 11,000 copies, but how many of those are still being listened to? the 1,000 that returned it (assuming they didn't CD-R it and then sell it back) did so because they didn't like it. They're probably not likely to buy future releases. The record company is only interested in the # of units they are going to make money from, and those original 1000 are NOT going to make them any money. So keeping them in the count will actually make the band look *worse* when the next album doesn't sell as well as expected. So yeah, you'll get one more album out, *then* you'll get dropped for lack of sales. :-)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:38:38 EDT From: Devs0432@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AOL/AoI Message-ID: <42ce8cf7.35dde8e0@aol.com>
>Just as an interesting sidenote, was anybody else getting nervous twitches when >we were discussing the Explorers Club release because they, like me, were >seeing "AoI" as "AOL" with a small o and a small l? Maybe it's just the font I use, >but man that disturbed me.
Oh my God!! That's been freaking me out for weeks!! Every time I see an abbreviated Age of Impact I have a double- or triple-take... I keep thinking I see AOL there, in some typoed form... It's good to know I'm not the only one. Hot-damn, it'll be good to get off this server and onto my school's system again.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:02:55 -0400 From: "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: click tracks... your right Message-ID: <TCPSMTP_GEN.823.19004@bbs.ibbs.com>
Oh, and to AnathemA: ya got it wrong man, the drummer's job ain't to >just keep a groove, we are there to save all your asses on stage!! :) > >NOTICE THE SMILEY, WHICH INDICATES SARCASM > >Tom Cox Yea.. your right accualy. I've never played any gigs where I've used one or even needed it. I always thought that click tracks where MAINLY used to help synchronise lighting sequences and stuff like that.
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