YTSEJAM Digest 4220
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Vai Cheats and others
by SimonJC@aol.com
2) Re: Vai Cheats and others
by SimonJC@aol.com
3) Re: Vai without guitar
by SimonJC@aol.com
4) People on the 'jam
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) Dead Air For Radios
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6) Jazz cornerstones
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
7) Janet Jackson! ??? :-)
by Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
8) great new band
by Ibanez506@aol.com
9) Re: Chet
by thecowgod <dmc@dreamt.org>
10) re: Updated CD Sale List
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
11) 40,000
by "Aaron High" <high2day@granitecity.com>
12) People are stupid, that's why.
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) Re: Chet
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Re: 40,000 - Gibson Question
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) jazz
by Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
16) Ytsejam meetng in Kansas City.
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
17) Ytsefootball - only 4 spots left!
by Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
18) Re: images and words overdubs
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
19) Re: Vai without guitar
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:55:21 EDT
From: SimonJC@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Vai Cheats and others
Message-ID: <5e06cc23.35e065a0@aol.com>
In a message dated 19/08/98 17:23:51 GMT, you write:
<< Shouldn't it be written in the liner notes that the mentioned piano
piece ISN'T actually PLAYED by Mr. Vai???? >>
It doesn't actually say he plays the piano it says:
Mike Mangini - Drums
Steve Vai - Everything Else
> What does it matter if he's still the one who wrote it? His forte's
<snip>
>Actually, he didn't write it. It was originally the intro to One Night in
>Bangkok from the musical Chess by Tim Rice, Bjorn Ulvaeus, and Benny
>Andersson. All apologies if I'm duping someone else's post.
Not true the track "Bankok" is from Chess and it says so in the inlay card but
the track we are talking about is The Fire Garden Suite.
For the person who talked about seeing Mike Keneally playing on this track
live, I don't think they played any of the Fire Garden Suite When I saw G3 (it
was a while ago) but the thing that amazed me was "Answers" where he was
playing rhythm guitar, the keys, then the toms then harmonizing with the great
man Vai. That was impressive.
BTW does anyone have the G3 video. If so can you email me (privatly or to the
jam) about whether on your version you can hear Eric Johnson because you can't
on mine?
Thanks
Simon Christie
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:55:17 EDT
From: SimonJC@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Vai Cheats and others
Message-ID: <fe0f861b.35e06596@aol.com>
In a message dated 19/08/98 17:23:51 GMT, you write:
<< Shouldn't it be written in the liner notes that the mentioned piano
piece ISN'T actually PLAYED by Mr. Vai???? >>
It doesn't actually say he plays the piano it says:
Mike Mangini - Drums
Steve Vai - Everything Else
> What does it matter if he's still the one who wrote it? His forte's
<snip>
>Actually, he didn't write it. It was originally the intro to One Night in
>Bangkok from the musical Chess by Tim Rice, Bjorn Ulvaeus, and Benny
>Andersson. All apologies if I'm duping someone else's post.
Not true the track "Bankok" is from Chess and it says so in the inlay card but
the track we are talking about is The Fire Garden Suite.
For the person who talked about seeing Mike Keneally playing on this track
live, I don't think they played any of the Fire Garden Suite When I saw G3 (it
was a while ago) but the thing that amazed me was "Answers" where he was
playing rhythm guitar, the keys, then the toms then harmonizing with the great
man Vai. That was impressive.
BTW does anyone have the G3 video. If so can you email me (privatly or to the
jam) about whether on your version you can hear Eric Johnson because you can't
on mine?
Thanks
Simon Christie
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:55:22 EDT
From: SimonJC@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Vai without guitar
Message-ID: <c67195a2.35e0659b@aol.com>
In a message dated 21/08/98 18:19:51 GMT, you write:
<< The amazing shit is how Steve writes a song or a part of a song in just
a piece of paper, never playing it on his (or the instrument
desired) instrument before, that s how he composed "Liberty". The guy
hears it all in his brain....shit!!!! >>
JP has been known to do the same. That is why Barfbag has its name, it was
written on a Barfbag on an airplane.
Simon Christie
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:04:38 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: People on the 'jam
Message-ID: <35E067C5.A2AABA52@home.com>
I'm just curious.
Approximately how many people are on the 'jam?
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:13:53 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dead Air For Radios
Message-ID: <35E069F1.87567F50@home.com>
> >solo album, Dead Air for Radios. Kevin's band for this album features the
> >Fates Warning rhythm section of Mark Zonda and Joey Vera. This is a very
> Mark Zonda? This guy was was from Boston, right?
The guy on KevMo's "Dead Air For Radios" is Mark ZONDER, from Fates
Warning.
- Joe D.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:21:52 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jazz cornerstones
Message-ID: <19980823192111.EUQJ5822@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
Considering this is one of very few places my opinions on music may
actually be read, I figured I'd chime in. Everett said:
>Could you guys (and gals :) suggest artists to start with?
There are six traditional jazz artists (instrumental) that I think everyone
would agree you should have SOMETHING by: Miles Davis, John Coltrane,
Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong, Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonious Monk. They
have had the greatest influence on subsequent artists. Look for the
copyright dates on Miles albums though. Stuff in the seventies and after
may throw you off if you get that first.
As for contemporary artists, I suggest five more: Joshua Redman, Pat
Metheny, Christian McBride, Kenny Garrett, and Marcus Roberts. Anything by
those guys is good stuff, but be careful with Metheny. He has some albums
that are not for the timid listener.
>Also, what do you consider to be the cornerstones of jazz recordings?
This I think is a LOT more subjective. There are albums that are generally
coinsidered great that I don't care that much for, but I'll give you my top
ten. Since you say "cornerstones" this, to me, would eliminate recent
releases from contention, but I included a few because they are truly
extraordinary.
1) Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain
2) John Coltrane - My Favorite Things
3) Dave Brubeck - Time Out
4) Pat Metheny & Charlie Haden - Beyond the Missouri Sky
5) Thelonius Monk & Sonny Rollins - Thelonius Monk/Sonny Rollins
6) Miles Davis - Birth of the Cool
7) Stan Getz - Best of the West Coast Sessions
8) Herbie Hancock - Headhunters
9) Charlie Parker - Yardbird Suite
10) Marcus Roberts - Time and Circumstance
There are a load of compilation and "greatest hits" albums out there for
the older artists (Diz, Satchmo) but be wary of these. The selection can be
quite atrocious as I found out from one Charlie PArker compilation. Try to
find a place that lets you listen first. And under no circumstances should
you buy a CD from the 1980's until you've assembled a solid collection.
Most of the stuff from that period, even stuff from esteemed artists, is
CRAP.
Remember, this is just a SHORT list. Any questions, let me know!
Andrew
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:31:21 +0200
From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Janet Jackson! ??? :-)
Message-ID: <35E06E09.DEF0CC9C@mol.com.mk>
No, it's not mistake, this post is supposed to be on this mailing list.
:-)
Anybody knows the "1884" album (title correct?) of Janet Jackson?
That album was my 2-nd bought tape in my life. There was a great song on
it called "Black Cat".
I remember I liked it very much. It had awesome intro guitar solo and
also the whole song is rockin'. Real Hard Rock Pop stuff. :-)
I guess that even these pop stars were inviting good players on their
albums. 'Cause you know who plays guitar on this song? The master, Nuno
Bettencourt!!! Yep, I read it just now. :-)
I still keep 3 songs of this album on a tape which is NP and also the
bass guitar is great. I don't know who he is but I bet he's also one of
the top ones.
Yep, Pop music was much better back in those days.
Dushko
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:01:23 EDT
From: Ibanez506@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: great new band
Message-ID: <c4758c3f.35e07514@aol.com>
Dearest Jammers,
There is an incredible new band by the name of Magic Elf. If you dig Steve
Morse and wild chaoitc tunes this is for you.
www.magicelf.com
enjoy,
Juli
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:53:44 -0700
From: thecowgod <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Chet
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980823145344.007eec10@mail.clemson.edu>
>That must be some kind of error.....not even the best Paul Reed Smith=20
>guitar could cost THAT much...(i think so..)
no, it costs that much. check musician's friend. i dunno who'd pay that
much for it... it's a crappy semi-hollowbody, too. :) hell, if i hd the
money i might consider shelling out $11,000 for the PRS '95 limited edition
dragon axe, but $40K for a crappy ugly-ass hollowbody? Hmm, let me think, a
crappy guitar or a Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4? Hmm. :) Moo.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:17:22 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, Jason.Breitweg@desy.de
Subject: re: Updated CD Sale List
Message-ID: <35E0F762.23E0@fh-niederrhein.de>
>From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com, savatage@tkl.com, bglist@bigfoot.com
>Subject: Updated CD Sale List
>Message-ID: <ubn28wm66m.fsf@cerebus.local.org>
>Hi everyone,
>Here is the third installment in my CD sale. The titles with a +
>beside them have been added since the last mailing. I would prefer to
>sell these within Europe (to reduce postage costs) but for a little
>extra money to the USA is ok as well. Please e-mail me if you are
>interested in anything. Thanks.
Jason,
I've mailed you more than 5 times, because I'm interested in some of
your
CD's. Why don't you email me back.
Btw, I live in Germany
Arash
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:09:34 -0500
From: "Aaron High" <high2day@granitecity.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 40,000
Message-ID: <000401bdceda$54db6a20$ce5cc7d0@high2day>
-Speaking of chet atkins, has anyone else seen the Gibson Chet atkins
guitar.that musician;s friend sells for $40,000 ?? Can anyone explain
THAT
to me?-
I think theres only like 10 or 20 of them being made, so it has definite
collectability. But damn, its still just a piece of a tree.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:14:31 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: People are stupid, that's why.
Message-ID: <001401bdcee3$6a4bea20$210d84d0@korgx3>
>-Speaking of chet atkins, has anyone else seen the Gibson Chet atkins
>guitar.that musician;s friend sells for $40,000 ?? Can anyone explain
>THAT to me?-
Probably because they're factoring in probability. In this world, there are
enough people living in it that it opens just about anything up to
possibility. Therefore, I'm sure they are running on the probability that,
given 10 billion people, 20 of those people will be stupid enough to buy one
of those guitars. I also bet that if they even sell a single one, it will
probably make up for the costs needed to create the entire line, so they
won't lose anything.
Then there's those people that will accidentally write in the wrong item id
number and get sent one of these prizes by mistake. There's more than
likely a no return policy in that event. Heheheh. Lahoo. Saher.
-- KorgX3 takes an oath of silence...------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:41:57 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chet Message-ID: <35E09AB5.1649288D@caribe.net>
thecowgod wrote:
> >That must be some kind of error.....not even the best Paul Reed Smith=20 > >guitar could cost THAT much...(i think so..) > > no, it costs that much. check musician's friend. i dunno who'd pay that > much for it... it's a crappy semi-hollowbody, too. :) hell, if i hd the > money i might consider shelling out $11,000 for the PRS '95 limited edition > dragon axe, but $40K for a crappy ugly-ass hollowbody? Hmm, let me think, a > crappy guitar or a Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4? Hmm. :) Moo. > > *** END OF TRANSMISSION ***
Couldnt have said it better my friend.... either tHat... or build myself a home studio! ( to keep the expense on a musical side )
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:50:18 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 40,000 - Gibson Question Message-ID: <35E09CAA.D98381E3@caribe.net>
Aaron High wrote:
> -Speaking of chet atkins, has anyone else seen the Gibson Chet atkins > guitar.that musician;s friend sells for $40,000 ?? Can anyone explain > THAT > to me?- > > I think theres only like 10 or 20 of them being made, so it has definite > collectability. But damn, its still just a piece of a tree.
I dont know man.. i wouldnt care if there were gonna build 5 of them! I still wouldnt pay 40k for that guitar...well unless i was a billionaire or something..and i still doubt it..not because of the money..but because i dont like the guitar at all....theres so much a person can do with 40k...to be spending it on a gibson chet atkins..
On another note...guitarwise, i know a lot of people, including myself, hold ibanez as their guitar of choice, ( although id love to get my hands on a PRS ) , but MANY people just have an obsesion with gibson and lespauls, ..besides the wood thing, why are lespauls so coveted...since i dont know..but IMO they dont sound too great..(versatile?) and I find them very uncomfortable to play....
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:51:57 -0400 From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jazz Message-ID: <35E09D0D.77388AC1@tiac.net>
> From: Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu> > Subject: NDTC, Jazz Music
> Could you guys (and gals :) > suggest artists to start with? Also, what do you consider to > be the cornerstones of jazz recordings? I am partial to the > trumpet but would like to here all suggestions. >
Just go buy Miles Davis' Kind of Blue and listen to it for about a week. After that give me an email and I'll help you start building your collection. :)
Adam
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:52:24 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytsejam meetng in Kansas City. Message-ID: <01bdcef9$75424da0$195099d1@default>
A group in the Kansas City area is meeting on Saturday August the 29th. Anyone else who wants to meet please e-mail me.
Mike Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:20:37 -0400 From: Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsefootball - only 4 spots left! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980822212037.006f2238@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
There are only 4 spots left in the ESPN Ytsefootball league.
http://games-espn.sportszone.com/ffl/tour/index.html
League = "Ytsejam Fantasy Football" Password = "kevmo"
Our draft is this Wednesday. Better hurry !!!
See ya there!
Jason Hartman
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:50:34 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: images and words overdubs Message-ID: <19980824025035.29289.qmail@hotmail.com>
Wow, I would have expected that the hi-hat was overdubbed. I actually started doing the hi-hat w/out the flams on the first set. I have to see when the flams come in, I wonder if it's possible to pull the first set off without overdubbing. I know the 16th notes in the second run are impossible to do while keeping the hi-hat going. I'm not even going to try. I just do the Timbale on that one. In any case, it's my fav song to play. Second now is Paradigm Shift of LTE. Awesome song! There are so many though, Take the Time, etc... I saw someone elses post, I believe it was Dave, and it read "nice to see some drum threads"! I agree whole heartedly. That's one of the biggest reasons I joined this mailing list. If anyone in the Northern Jersey area or even the city plays guitar or bass, let me know. I'd love to jam to some Rush or DT songs. Later.
> > >Yeah, the timbale parts in Metro are definitly overdubs. You can see >him recording them in the "Making of I&W's" boot video. He's got a couple >of them setup by themselves - like Tito Puente. :) > > >-- >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >\ / >/ L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ >\ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / >/ And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ >\ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / >/ Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ >\ / >/ "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ >\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ >
Nice talkin to ya! The Hugest Music Fan,
Mike "The Drummer"
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:58:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vai without guitar Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980823215407.54924A-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
But Barfbag is like a little jam, isnt it? It s the little guitar solo=20 after TLF in the LiT video, am i right?....but tunes like Love Secrets,=20 Liberty and FGS are more like full compositions....instead of just=20 writing a chord progression (i have no clue if that=B4s what JP did...) and= =20 soloing over it..... =09Add "The god eaters" to that list too......all written down=20 before Vai actualy played it.
Mauricio
On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 SimonJC@aol.com wrote:
>=20 > In a message dated 21/08/98 18:19:51 GMT, you write: >=20 > << The amazing shit is how Steve writes a song or a part of a song in jus= t > a piece of paper, never playing it on his (or the instrument > desired) instrument before, that s how he composed "Liberty". The guy > hears it all in his brain....shit!!!! >> >=20 > JP has been known to do the same. That is why Barfbag has its name, it wa= s > written on a Barfbag on an airplane. >=20 > Simon Christie >=20
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