YTSEJAM Digest 4219
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Fates Warning
by AL <al@isd.net>
2) Re: Kevin Moore IRC Chat
by AL <al@isd.net>
3) Updated CD Sale List
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
4) Jazz recomendations!!!!
by Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) Re: Toronto gig/Frank Zappa
by Colin Steen <CSteen@compuserve.com>
6) Savior Machine
by "Jim LANCASTER" <jalmwl@netease.net>
7) JAZZ
by "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG>
8) Jazz recommendations
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
9) DT ELP & DP in Chi-Town
by Ibanez506@aol.com
10) Berklee and Persuasion Tape
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
11) Re: Chet
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Re: FII the best?
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
13) Superior CDs
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 03:50:40 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <35DFD7E0.3AC04375@isd.net>
Alex Smith wrote:
>I need assistance. What Fates Warning album should I get? I'm a big fan of
>prog/DT/Metallica, etc. Should I wait and buy the live album when it comes
>out or should I buy a studio album?
It took some time for me to get into Fates Warning. But when you do, you
can't get them out of your brain. I started with APSoG. I would NOT recommend
doing that, it may be to much to digest at first.
I would start with a Parallels & Perfect Symmetry. Then, No Exit & Inside Out.
NE & IO will have the biggest differences, musically. Then MAYBE you'll be
ready for A Pleasant Shade of Gray. FW is quickly challenging four other bands
For the #1 slot in my personal TOP FIVE. Ray Alder's vocals are amazing.
Mark Zonder's drumming is first rate, he's very creative. Jim Matheos has a
real talent for writing music & lyrics, not to mention he's a great guitarist.
The pre-APSoG bass player, Joe Dibiase, as well Joey Vera, are both
competent musicians that have made their contributions to the unique sound
of Fates Warning. This would also apply to Frank Aresti. Prior to APSoG,
Fates had two guitarists. Frank parted with FW after Inside Out. (1994)
After you purchase the above CD's/Tapes, if you find yourself a new FW fan,
then look into the older (pre Alder) stuff.
Don't expect a head bangers delight, Fates is far more progressive than that.
If you like DT and Queensryche, Fates should be a delight.
Kinda like YES meets Queensryche. Jammers: Is this a fair comparison?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 03:59:16 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Kevin Moore IRC Chat Message-ID: <35DFD9E4.ED4C770E@isd.net>
>solo album, Dead Air for Radios. Kevin's band for this album features the >Fates Warning rhythm section of Mark Zonda and Joey Vera. This is a very Mark Zonda? This guy was was from Boston, right?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
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Date: 23 Aug 1998 10:52:01 +0200 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com, savatage@tkl.com, bglist@bigfoot.com Subject: Updated CD Sale List Message-ID: <ubn28wm66m.fsf@cerebus.local.org>
Hi everyone,
Here is the third installment in my CD sale. The titles with a + beside them have been added since the last mailing. I would prefer to sell these within Europe (to reduce postage costs) but for a little extra money to the USA is ok as well. Please e-mail me if you are interested in anything. Thanks.
Abstrakt Algebra - Abstrakt Algebra Accept - Death Row Arch Rival - Third Degree Burns Axxis - Kingdom of the Night Battlefield - Spirit of Time Dickinson, Bruce - Tattooed Millionaire Dokken - Shadowlife Doro - Love Me in Black Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face The Gathering - Mandylion (Promo Cardsleeve) + Iced Earth - Something WIcked This Way Comes (CDR) + Killers - South American Assault - Live Lord Bane - Age of Elegance Lordian Guard - Lordian Guard Loudness - On the Prowl Magellan - Impending Ascension Magnum - Wings of Heaven Masquerade - Surface of Pain Metropolis - Behind Mysterious Walls Mind Odyssey - Keep it all Turning Mordred - In This Life + Paradox - Product of Imagination Powers Court - Powers Court Pretty Maids - Spooked Psychotic Waltz - Into the Everflow Samiam - Capsized (Single) Sinner - Germany Rocks - The Best Of Skyclad - Irrational Anthems (Promo) Slayer - Divine Intervention Soul Cages - Soul Cages (CDR) Stormwitch - Priest of Evil (CDR) Tiamat - The Astral Sleep Tiamat - Clouds Tiamat - The Sleeping Beauty - Live in Israel Tiamat - Wildhoney Viper Brazil - Evolution (Promo) Viper Brazil - Live: Maniacs in Japan Visionary - Visionary Widowmaker - Blood and Bullets Widowmaker - Stand by for Pain
-- Jason T. Breitweg Jason.Breitweg@desy.de http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg ICQ# 7495933
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:51:24 +0200 From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jazz recomendations!!!! Message-ID: <35E0023C.FA30F79F@mol.com.mk>
> From: Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu> > Subject: NDTC, Jazz Music > > Hi all...... > > I hope that some of you might be able to help me out. With Derek > coming along and adding some jazziness (is that a word?) to DTs > music I've started thinking about that style more. > > I'm pretty familiar with most musical styles but I must admit my > ignorance when it comes to jazz (not the music itself but artists > in particular). I like Louis Armstrong but beyond that I have > really not listened to anyone. Could you guys (and gals :) > suggest artists to start with? Also, what do you consider to > be the cornerstones of jazz recordings? I am partial to the > trumpet but would like to here all suggestions. > > Thanks, > Everett
Well, speaking of Derek and being on Ytsejam, I guess what you meant was Jazz Rock, not classical Jazz. :-) Also does someone remember the Mike Portnoy chat some few months ago on the net where he talks about his, and all DT members influences from Berkleey time.
Here's my suggestions, and you can't miss with them if you're prog. 'n rock fan:
- Al DiMeola
Awesome guitarist. Great rhythms and percussions, uses a lot of Spanish themes in his jazz rock. One of the idols to Yngwie and other newer guitarists. I would recomend to start with "Elegant Gypsy" or "Casino" album. "Land of the midnight sun" is alo possible.
- Mahavishnu Orchestra
John McLaughlin band. Line-up: Jan Hammer (keys), Jerry Goodman (violin 1), Jean-Luc Ponty (violin 2), Michael Narada Walden (drums), Ralph Armstrong (bass)...
Some encyclopedias title this band as beginning of the fusion in jazz. For thopse who never listened them, their music can seem VERY weird! McLaughlin style of soloing something incredible. Recomendations: Birds of fire, Inner Mounting Flame
- Brand X
For all of you who wondered "Does that Phil Collins really play drums?" :-) Guys, for me this is the best jazz rock band ever!!!!! Line-up: drums, percussion, keyboards, guitar, bass
Bass player is Percy Jones. He is simply AMAZING. I bet you NEVER HEARD SUCH BASS PLAYING if you don't know them. Weird! Rockin'! Doesn't have any logic! That's how I would explain his style. :-) Sometimes his sound is like you thrown your bass guitar falling down the stairs. :-) Phil Collins is one hell of a drummer, and he really shows it in this band. After hearing them he's one of my fave drummers. Keyboardist is also awesome, uses ALOT effects.
Recomendations: Unorthodox behaviour, Morrocan Roll, Product, Livestock
Product presents 2 singing songs with Phil Collins which easily can be hated but they're OK. The rest of the album is the usual Brand X magic!
- Return To Forever
Presenting the master on keyboards Chick Corea. Other musicians were changing a little bit and here are saome names: Stanley Clarke (bass), Al DiMeola (guitar), Bill Connors (guitar), Lenny White (drums)... Very powerful jazz rock with incredible rhtyhm section and awesome keys! Very full sound. Recomendations: Romantic Warrior, Hymn of the sevent galaxy
- Jeff Beck
One of the pioneers in jazz rock guitars. Album: "Wired"
- Chad Wackerman - Forty Reasosn '91
Drummer of Frank Zappa in those days. One of best drummers I ever heard. He has incredible rhythms
- Michael Shrieve - Deep Umbra '95
This I call jazz metal. :-) Very powerful music. Guitarist is the amazing Shawn Lane! None rocker will stay calm to this.
> From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) > > I've always liked Dave Brubeck, certainly one of the cornerstones when it comes > to jazz piano players. Can't give you any titles, though, I always look for this > kind of stuff in my local library. > > FiveNgroK
I think "Take Five" is his best-known title. Very catchy melody which everybody knows.
FIND THEM ALL! That's basics I guess. 'Till later, _______________________
Dushko
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:25:58 -0400 From: Colin Steen <CSteen@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Toronto gig/Frank Zappa Message-ID: <199808230926_MC2-5719-D0EA@compuserve.com>
Just got back from the Toronto gig. and I must say that DT wiped the floo= r with both ELP and DP. The fact that DT hav been touring constantly for a year(?) showed, with every piece as tight as hell. For the record, they played NM, 6:00, PS (with Have a Cigar/Enter Sandman interludes), PMU, HY=
and Metropolis I. The DT fanatics in the crowd (maybe 200 out of 9000) ga= ve it their all for the 45 minutes the band were on stage and spurred most o= f the crowd to their feet to give the guys a rousing farewell!
ELP and DP were both good, but ELP's sound was marred by poor keyboard levels (as was DT). With ELP it was much more noticeable as the keys are = so central to the music. They did eventually sort the sound out half way through their set. DP were great - all the old favourites were played - Hush, Smoke on the Water, Speed King, Highway Star etc. and Ian Gillan di= d try to get the crowd going. Somehow, for me, neither of the two headlinin= g acts matched up to DT, but I am a bit biased.
As for the person asking about Frank Zappa - try 'Sheik Yerbouti' - its t= he first Zappa album I ever bought and it is probably his most accessible album to date, with lots of humour, great songs and amazing musicians. Oh= , and its live too.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:49:55 -0500 From: "Jim LANCASTER" <jalmwl@netease.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Savior Machine Message-ID: <001501bdce9c$ea336a20$055c18d0@default>
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:24:38 -0400 From: "AnathemA" <GET_ADDRESS@FROM.SIG> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JAZZ Message-ID: <TCPSMTP_GEN.5898.1608@bbs.ibbs.com>
>Could you guys (and gals :) >suggest artists to start with? Also, what do you consider to >be the cornerstones of jazz recordings? I am partial to the >trumpet but would like to here all suggestions.
Get Mils Davis: Kind of Blue... then start filling your Miles collection, Bird (charlie parker), John Coltrane is DEFENATLY worth checking out. - These are all Bebop people, that's what I mostly listen to. It like progressive jazz. :) Those 3 people alone have thousands of albums put together. These millions of other people though.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 12:12:44 -0600 (MDT) From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jazz recommendations Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980823120754.127A-100000@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
Well, someone asked for jazz recommendations, so here goes....
For a more traditional approach, I'd recommend starting with Brubek's "Time Out,' and moving forward with Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue." Incredible classics. To see where people have gone with this approach to jazz, the circuit is completed (IMO) with Jaco Pastorius' "The Birthday Concert."
For the playing that will make you think DT is maybe not the pinnacle you thought they were, check out Return to Forever's "Romantic Warrior." There is not a person on this list whose jaw will not drop listening to this one.
There you have it... there's so much more, of course, but I think these four paint a nice rounded picture.
--MATt
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:13:20 EDT From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT ELP & DP in Chi-Town Message-ID: <9c07800f.35e05bc2@aol.com>
Went to the show last night. All I can say is WOW it kicked ass all around. When DT started we snuck up to the first row on Derek and JM's side of the stage. LaBrie was on fire and sounded great. Pornoy was in his ususal "get off yer asses and rock" mood. Everybody was in top form (as always). All the die- hards were there and even a few of the older DP and ELP fans were diggin it. Now I'm not real familiar with ELP so I really didn't know what to expect. I was blown away These guys are amazing. I couldn't belive Carl Palmer, holy shit that guy is smokin, he was playing faster than guys half his age, he's as fast as Portnoy fer sure. Speaking of that I think our friend Mikey is a Palmer fan I could hear alot of influence in songs like Met 1. On to DP I was expecting the worst after hearing talk of Gillan's voice not being up to par. But this was not the case at all. He sounded really good. OK yes they are old (cept Morse) but these guys can rock. They were very entertaining to watch especially Morse in full on rock-star mode! Morse and Jon Lord were trading licks and the old duffer was keepin up with him! Ok enough rambling, all in all a well spent $40 Stay Prog Y'all, Juli
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:24:11 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Berklee and Persuasion Tape Message-ID: <199882314218141@ix.netcom.com>
Hi everyone! I'm back from Berklee, and let me tell you, it was one of the best weeks of my life! My styles class was metal, and was taught by Joe Stump, who is probably the fastest guitarist Ive ever heard! Makes Petrucci look tame. My ensamble class played a Satch song, Memories, which I had the great honor of soloing on, as well as an Eric Johnson song, Zap. Anyway, I happened to meet an old jammer there. Most of you IRC people should know him as JG. He really gave himself away, cause he was wearing a dark blue Ytsejam: the internet Dream Theater mailing list shirt. I also met the drummer and guitarist of Event, formerly Mystic Fishook, since the drummer was part of an ensamble, and was the drummer for the rock jam. It was a realy great experience, cause I actually met other kids around my age (15) that were into the progressive stuff. And they were really in abundance.
To add to the persuasion tape, I had made a 110 minute cassette that really kicked major ass. It was:
Side A
1. Under a Glass Moon 2. You Not Me (I happen to like this song) 3. Innocence Faded 4. Burning My Soul 5. Just Let Me Breathe 6. A Change of Seasons
Side B
7. Peruvian Skies 8. Lie 9. Pull Me Under 10. New Millennium 11. Trial of Tears 12. Metropolis Part 1
I had also made another 110 minuter that was:
Side A
1. 6:00 2. Take the Time 3. Caught in a Web 4. Another Day 5. Learning to Live 6. Erotomania 7. Voices 8. The Silent Man
Side B
9. Hell's Kitchen 10. Lines in the Sand 11. Surrounded 12. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 13. Take Away My Pain 14. Scarred 15. Space Dye Vest
Mind you, this was before I had got WDADU, which is why there arent any songs from that on either tape.
BTW, even though Hells Kitchen was originally part of BMS, doesnt it seem more now like part of LitS, since both are segued?
Matt
+-----------------------------------+ | "A daily dose of eMpTyV | | will flush your mind | | right down the drain." | | | | - Mike Portnoy | +-----------------------------------+
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:24:03 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chet Message-ID: <35E05E43.7515598D@caribe.net>
Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote:
> That must be some kind of error.....not even the best Paul Reed Smith=20 > guitar could cost THAT much...(i think so..) > =09The most expensive guitars i have seen in mags or somewhere else,=20 > are the PRS guitars.....they kinda make guitars that are always going to=20 > become a collectpr=B4s guitar or some stuff like that......real pieces of a= > rt. > > Mauricio > >
Its no mistake my man.. i called in and asked..and it costs 40thousand dollars..
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:32:47 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII the best? Message-ID: <199882314294516334@ix.netcom.com>
<< That sounds like an awesome tape, but more importantly I think I like FII best to. But I almost feel like I'm SUPPOSED to like Awake better, and I know that FII is just so different, but I just really like it (awake loses a lot of points due to James LaBrie trying to sing like a heavy metal guy when he's a progressive metal guy). Well anyone agree that FII is the best?>>
Personally, its my second fav behind I&W, even though I find myself listening to FII a little more, recently. I think theres better songwritting on FII, and its still a prog album. I just think DT fans are used to the super over the top prog that DT did on Awake and the such that they forgot what just prog prog sounded like (ie Pink Floyd, Rush, Yes). Remeber, progressive means to make PROGRESS. If they were to make continueous Images and Words albums, they would be stagnant, and not progressive. As far as I can think, not one DT album sounds like another.
Matt
+-----------------------------------+ | "A daily dose of eMpTyV | | will flush your mind | | right down the drain." | | | | - Mike Portnoy | +-----------------------------------+
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:54:27 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Superior CDs Message-ID: <000301bdcec7$741e52c0$343088cf@jammer>
Just wondering what the status is on those new signed Superior CDs.
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