YTSEJAM Digest 4215
Today's Topics:
1) S-X mailing list; Jens J's "voices" patch; MIME (again!!)
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
2) Re: Eddie VH & Derek - take 3!!!!
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
3) Van Halen.. tickets question
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
4) Pull me Under on VH1 Europe
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
5) VH - Another Response
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
6) Re: Tom Cox and Drummers
by jogopogo@freemail.nl
7) Randy Rhoads
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) A Fortune In Lies drum question...
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
9) Derek's Eruption
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
10) Re: Tom Cox and Drummers
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
11) bye for a little while...
by Devs0432@aol.com
12) DT persuasion tape suggestions please!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
13) My VH rebuttal (go ahead and hit "page down")
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
14) Eve MP3
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
15) Comparing Musicians
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
16) Re: DT persuasion tape suggestions please!
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
17) used cd's
by Madsag@aol.com
18) Tour recommendation, Angra disc, Stratovarius, etc.
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
19) Soulfly
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:50:41 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: S-X mailing list; Jens J's "voices" patch; MIME (again!!)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980821175041.006a4a64@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Jens J. wanted to know:
>A SX mailing list. Interesting. Where is it then?
Send a blank message to teof-subscribe@makelist.com to subscribe to the list.
Jens also remarked:
>Probably many many more, lurking. Anyway seems I'm in good company! Alas I
>can't promise I'll read every post here... I've set procmail up to.. err..
>weed out quite a bit of.. hmr.. stuff. ;)
Heh. Hoping you're reading this one, I have a quick query for you,
keyboard-wise. The "choral voice" patch that is almost your trademark is
absolutely fantastic. Is that one a stock sound, or did you create it
yourself? And where can I get hold of it? My Korg N264 doesn't have
anything that impressive-sounding as far as voices go.....:)
"POJ" forgot to check the Reply-To and wrote:
>Hey Jim,
> Your post was in MIME....They (being the other jammers) hate
>mime....They bitch and moan til you turn it off!
>Just thought I'd warn you about....THE OTHERS!
What we "others" think isn't relevant. It's what the list MANAGER (Skadz)
thinks that matters. And Skadz has stated a number of times that MIME or
HTML posts are against the rules of the list. As few rules as we have here,
you'd think that one would be easy to follow.
BTW, thanks *so* much for reposting the entire MIME/HTML post to the list.
Again.
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Glass Hammer -- "On to Evermore"
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:11:24 EDT
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Eddie VH & Derek - take 3!!!!
Message-ID: <7dc5ed8c.35ddf08d@aol.com>
> aawwww fuck it!
>
> Mike Portnoy
LOL!! oh my god I can't breathe... Not to be mean or anything, but god damn
that cracked me up (sorry Mike :} ) I think I'm going to print that out and at
the next show I go to have him sign it :} ahh that cheered me up mighty good
~Lisa
DragynLMC3@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html
"That was non, non non, non heinous!" ~Ted "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey"
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:20:24 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Van Halen.. tickets question
Message-ID: <35DDF2A8.D32E1537@caribe.net>
I was wondering .... what price ranges were the van halen tickets in
your local cities.. ? Email me privately if you want
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:24:09 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Pull me Under on VH1 Europe
Message-ID: <35DDF389.7F0B1E89@netvision.net.il>
Yeah, you heard it right.
A Fish video too...
Watch it!
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------In an infinite Universe, there's no such thing as "there's no such thing".
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Date: 21 Aug 98 14:54:28 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VH - Another Response Message-ID: <199808212224.PAA22043@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Inflammabl@aol.com thought carefully and wrote:
>He may be.. but I was just stating that Randy did it first. He started the >tapping thing and was the first to do it.
He may have done it before Ed (or maybe not), but neither of them was "the first". I do think that Ed really made it what it is today (and what it was in the 80's :)..
>Listen to Eddie play and you can see the Nuno influence. It's very apparent.
Wow, I think you have this totally backwards! Nuno is clearly an EVH disciple, and a damn good one at that. He managed to develop his own "substyle" IMO without sounding too derivative..
>Yes, music isn't a fashion show, but look at Eddie.. He looks totally >burnt. I saw and have "Live from the ten spot" Eddie totally looks burnt.
I have it on tape - he looks older man, he's in his 40's!! I don't think that old == burnt necessarily.. If anything I'd attribute his "look" to smoking more than drinking..
>with Gary at the helm, >Extreme's influence with some "sammy sounds" to the music.
I don't think it's Extreme's influence.. III doesn't sound much like Waiting For the Punchline (the last Extreme album).. I think Ed has gotten a bit more experimental and that's where Extreme was around the III Sides album.. Weird coincidence, eh (the III reference)?
>Gary never opened >up his vocal chords and showed what he could really do. >Gary is a superb vocalist,
Gary IS a superb vocalist, I agree completely.. I also think that he is not quite the singer he was on the first two Extreme albums.. He's older and has had throat surgery. Listen to him on Waiting for the Punchline - he sounds much like on III...
>Yes and no. I can't say that I 'hate' what Gary brought to the table in >III. I can say that it is FAR from the quality that Balance had and OU812. >DLR is a totally different thing.. It was party music. With the band dancing >all over the place. It's like VH degressed from the quality that they had >with Sammy.
I prefer III to Balance, actually.. And yes, while the DLR era was "party music", it also contains some of the most unique, inventive, sickeningly cool guitar parts ever recorded - both solo and rhythm.. Take a good long listen to "I'm the One", "Outta Love Again", "Light Up the Sky", "And the Cradle Will Rock", "Take Your Whiskey Home", "Mean Streets", "Secrets", "Little Guitars", "Top Jimmy", "Girl Gone Bad", etc... It is a huge oversight to dismiss the early VH as mere "party music"...
It's been a good discussion - I think our differences of opinion are clearly laid out here, so I'll refrain from posting more about this to the jam..
7 days 'till DT in SF... -Neil.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:22:33 GMT From: jogopogo@freemail.nl To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tom Cox and Drummers Message-ID: <199808212222.WAA04192@freesrv3.freemail.nl>
Hello,
I am a bass player and i disagree with you, Tom. In my opinion the responsibility for keeping time lies in every single bandmember. If one of them is pulling time down, the music will sound very shitty. No matter how hard the drummer tries to keep time. When everyone can keep time correctly, it is also easier to play ahead of the beat or after the beat, to give the song or the individual part a certain feeling. I agree, in rock-music it is better to play straight on the beat, but in Jazz or Jazz related music, playing laidback or upfront is the only way to really make things groove.
Da Jogopogo-Man
"Virtue constitutes happiness and selfcontrol is the essential part of virtue.">Cynic
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:40:39 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Randy Rhoads Message-ID: <35DDF767.64A10E0E@home.com>
> And as for the Randy > Rhoads-EVH comparison, keep in mind that Randy was playing the club scene > at the exact same time as Eddie. Its just that VH got a major contract and > Quiet Riot didn't.
OK. I feel stupid asking this, but here goes...... Randy Rhoads was in Quiet Riot?
- Joe D.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Fortune In Lies drum question... Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980821153432.539004599A-100000@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
During the "chugga chugga chung" part of AFiL, does Mike mimic the guitar/bass line with the bass drums as well as the snare? I'm listening, but I can't distinguish it.
Here's an idea for the ambitious -- an album with 99 tracks, each indexed to 4 measures of music that can be mixed and matched in any order. Use a random setting on a CD player that can go random without delays (a portable CD player with anti-skip usually can), and you get a different song every time. ^_^
--Matt (need... sleep... now...)
--------------------------------------------------- "Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do." --R. A. Heinlein ---------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:53:32 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Derek's Eruption Message-ID: <35DDFA6C.436A3138@home.com>
Nicky Lemons wrote: > at one tome I played the 32 note excerpt of eruption during the awake tour > for a few shows, then my friend Al Pitrelli told me that it was tacky so I > stopped. Derek
Wow! That would be pretty cool to hear!
By the way - I must say that Derek rules, and so does Al Pitrelli (if you want to hear him, go pick up Savatage's "Dead Winter Dead", and "The Wake of Magellan" if you haven't done so already. Great CD's)
Hey Derek, have you talked to Al lately? How's his hand?
Later, - Joe D.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:57:27 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tom Cox and Drummers Message-ID: <35DDFB57.4499@rollanet.org>
A very good point, BUT, take that drummer away and see how well the rest can play ahead or behind a beat... impossible, cause the beat no longer exists. I am speaking of complex stuff here....
jogopogo@freemail.nl wrote: > > Hello, > > I am a bass player and i disagree with you, Tom. > In my opinion the responsibility for keeping time lies in every single bandmember. If one of them is pulling time down, the music will sound very shitty. No matter how hard the drummer tries to keep time. > When everyone can keep time correctly, it is also easier to play ahead of the beat or after the beat, to give the song or the individual part a certain feeling. I agree, in rock-music it is better to play straight on the beat, but in Jazz or Jazz related music, playing laidback or upfront is the only way to really make things groove. > > Da Jogopogo-Man > > "Virtue constitutes happiness and selfcontrol is the essential part of virtue.">Cynic
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:03:46 EDT From: Devs0432@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bye for a little while... Message-ID: <85e5a41.35ddfcd3@aol.com>
sorry to clutter the bandwidth, just trying to cover all my bases. I'm unsubscribing for a few days while I'm in the process of moving back to school. Anyone who is desperate to contact me for some reason or other, do not send anything to my AOL address, as I can't access it until December, but send me the stuff at school, to AUOCON@MAILA.WM.EDU. Once again, sorry for wasting the space. bye for now, folks!
Alex
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:35:05 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT persuasion tape suggestions please! Message-ID: <35DE0429.7D81B2CF@home.com>
Fellow Ytsejammers,
Your mission, should you choose to accept it: Give me a tracklisting I can use to make a 90 minute "DT persuasion" tape.
I think I have a live one here. This kid at work likes metal (Metallica) and a little classic rock, and also has some appreciation for classical music.
Your input (as always) is appreciated!
- Joe D.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:36:58 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: My VH rebuttal (go ahead and hit "page down") Message-ID: <19980821233550.NUZP14840@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello, Korg spewed: >Clarify the factual information indicating what makes Steve such >a superior guitarist then?
Um... This shouldn't be a question. Anyone who has played a guitar knows that Vai is a more technically proficient guitarist than Van Halen and far more creative a writer. But my argument was addressing the remark that no one at the time of Live W/O A Net could play what Eddie was playing. That is simply untrue. You want facts? Simple: Vai covered EVH tunes on the Eat Em and Smile tour. That means he was playing Ed's back catalog with ease. Not that Ed would need to, but does ANYONE think that EVH could play For The Love of God? I didn't think so...
>Oh! You like him more than Ed?
Actually, until "3" I liked Ed's work more. But to compare Vai's and VH's most recent works is like comparing Tchaikovsky to Green Day. I thought better of you than this Korg. :P
>I really hate hearing these "My guitarist is better than your guitarist"
Again my point was to address the comment that no one at the time of Live W/O A Net could play what Eddie was playing. You construed all my remarks as meaning something different. However this post is more along the lines of what you thought I was writing before, so you win. :)
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:37:07 EDT From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Eve MP3 Message-ID: <e2033c98.35de04a4@aol.com>
Hey there jammers!! Just wondering if someone can tell me if theres an MP3 of Eve somewhere out there that i can get my hands on???
~ESH http://members.aol.com/DrummerEsh/FrameSet1.html
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Date: 21 Aug 98 16:28:16 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Comparing Musicians Message-ID: <199808212358.QAA17926@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Someone recently wrote: >So to conclude it's best not compare musicians >but just sit back and enjoy thier work.
I agree with the second half of this. Whether you realize it or not, you are comparing the music you listen to to other music you've heard in your past all the time. You would have no basis to judge whether you like something, or whether you find it similar to other music, or whether you think of it as being in some certain category, if you did not do this.
It's pointless to say musician X is "better" than musician Y unless you are tlaking about a MEASURABLE trait, like speed for example. However, it is still very dangerous to do this since you may be ignoring things like clean vs. sloppy playing, dynamics, etc..
Some comparison is certainly worthwhile, and if we can do it without putting down the musicians I find it very constructive. In addition, if you play an instrument and you compare styles of other players of that instrument, you can learn a helluva lot about your own playing..
My point: Comparison is not always a negative thing!
For example: Listen to the instrumental, "grooving" part of Extreme's "Cupid's Dead" and the instrumental, "grooving" part of DT's "Take the Time." There are some very cool similarities there..
-Neil.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT persuasion tape suggestions please! Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980821163635.538995946A-100000@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> > Fellow Ytsejammers, > > Your mission, should you choose to accept it: > Give me a tracklisting I can use to make a 90 minute "DT persuasion" > tape. Side 1: Just Let Me Breathe (5:30) The Mirror (6:45) Burning My Soul (5:46) Hell's Kitchen (4:16) LitS (12:05) Met Pt. I (9:30) --------------- 6 tracks, 44:15
Side 2: Scarred (11:00) Pull Me Under (8:15) Ytse Jam (5:50) New Millenium (8:25) Learning To Live (11:30) --------------- 5 tracks, 45:00
There are few little tricks here -- We start with the most metallic sounding songs on Side 1, and ease into the big prog with the cleverly- titled-as-three-tracks-but-really-one-long-track Bruning My Soul/Hell's Kitchen/Lines In The Sand. For good measure, we go apeshit overboard on prog with Met Part I.
Side 2 is a bit of a rest, with more subtlties showing through (Scarred), and another popular, metallic-sounding track to bring him back to basics (PMU). Ytse Jam is there because it kicks ass, and because it's a little quieter than the other tracks. New Millenium is right after it to blow the socks off of him because NM has to be the loudest opening for a song I've ver heard this side of Paradigm Shift. And Learning To Live brings it all home to prog.
I think that this might work psychologically. Track placement is everything. if you can ease the listener into new ideas, he/she'll be more tolerant to the out-there stuff rather than trying to impress him/her right away. He/she'll pick up on that fast, and say, "oh, he's just trying to impress me."
> Your input (as always) is appreciated!
I hope this helps. I'm off to make a copy of this tape for myself (to try out in recruitment of Met-fans). if you have it, including the Damage, Inc. section of a covers medely might help, too. ^_^
> > - Joe D. >
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:03:07 EDT From: Madsag@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: used cd's Message-ID: <f022431e.35de0abd@aol.com>
gabbo posed a hypothetical containing:
******the 1,000 that returned it (assuming they didn't CD-R it and then sell it back) did so because they didn't like it.********
i dont know about the rest of you guys, but the idea of burning a copy of a cd you bought, and then RETURNING THE ORIGINAL is way way WAY more troublesome to me than anyone picking up a used cd.
that shit aint right now.
-melissa madsag@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:25:41 -0700 From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tour recommendation, Angra disc, Stratovarius, etc. Message-ID: <199808220028.RAA29416@smtp.ucsd.edu>
> From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> > NP: Angra: Fireworks
Is this out yet???? It seems every time I turn around there is another disc to get...hehe...Not that Im complaining.
I think Im going to chance my major to Computer Science to expose that guy and get free DT tix.
Anyone find that guy yet?
Im giving Stratovarious _Visions_ another try in my CD rotation. For some reason I just cant get into these guys. It is almost time for me to sell the disc, I think. They just dont do what they do as well as Angra, Sym. X, etc...
Anyway, looking forward to the bay area DT show on 28th. Mike and Derek, could you PLEASE just play Learning to Live 5 times? That would be great, thanks. :)
Bye all.
Jon
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:58:00 EDT From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Soulfly Message-ID: <31ad1f7a.35de1799@aol.com>
<<SOULFLY - Soulfly
Just saw Max and the guys at Zias Music Store in Tempe, promoting the hell out of Soulfly. I guess they had just finished up a 3 hours straight signing session and were pretty trashed. I happened upon them as I did about 5 months ago at a different Zias Music Store.
They've been playing around Tempe/Phoenix for what seems like the last six/eight months, playing at Club Rio at least twice a month. They melt walls with their sound...very heavy. The CD - same but not nearly as raw as their live show.
Rock On Soulfly.
"It's sooooo cooooollll living in a metal town." Rob Halford
_____Nikki_______________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~
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