YTSEJAM Digest 4225
Today's Topics:
1) Re: used cd's
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Comparing Musicians/Extreme "Cupid's Dead" mp3
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
3) Dream Theater -Philadelphia
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
4) ytsejam shirt url
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
5) Re: Janet Jackson
by AL <al@isd.net>
6) Re: Steve VAI and Liquid Tension Experiment
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
7) Re: Christian Prog bands
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
8) Re: click tracks... your right
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
9) Re: Vernon et al. in NYC
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Lie Single, 'jam t-shirts, stuff...
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
11) Re: Lie Single, 'jam t-shirts, stuff...
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
12) Fripp Shred?
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
13) Re: Janet Jackson
by "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
14) FW : Edge of Time interview with Derek Sherinian: draw your own conclusions
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4222
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
16) What am I supposed to do?
by Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:08:08 PDT
From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: used cd's
Message-ID: <19980825040808.12327.qmail@hotmail.com>
I totally agree. Used CDs are one thing, but that's stealing in my
opinion!
>Sender: ytsejam@ax.com
>From: Madsag@aol.com
>Subject: used cd's
>X-Comment: Dream Theater List
>gabbo posed a hypothetical containing:
>
>******the 1,000 that returned it (assuming they didn't CD-R it
> and then sell it back) did so because they didn't like it.********
>
>
>i dont know about the rest of you guys, but the idea of burning a copy
of a cd
>you bought, and then RETURNING THE ORIGINAL is way way WAY more
troublesome to
>me than anyone picking up a used cd.
>
>that shit aint right now.
>
>-melissa
>madsag@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:24:49 PDT
From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Comparing Musicians/Extreme "Cupid's Dead" mp3
Message-ID: <19980825042450.21419.qmail@hotmail.com>
I couldn't agree more Neil. Constructive comparisons is what we need.
Educated ones. Luckily, for the most part, that's what we get.
Does anyone on the list have an mp3 of Extreme's "Cupid's Dead". Lately
on the jam, I've been reading a lot about this and other Extreme songs
that in some way compare to Prog and I'd like to hear it.
>Sender: ytsejam@ax.com
>From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
>Subject: Comparing Musicians
>X-Comment: Dream Theater List
>Someone recently wrote:
>>So to conclude it's best not compare musicians
>>but just sit back and enjoy thier work.
>
>I agree with the second half of this. Whether you realize it or not,
you
>are comparing the music you listen to to other music you've heard in
your
>past all the time. You would have no basis to judge whether you like
>something, or whether you find it similar to other music, or whether
you
>think of it as being in some certain category, if you did not do this.
>
>It's pointless to say musician X is "better" than musician Y unless you
are
>tlaking about a MEASURABLE trait, like speed for example. However, it
is
>still very dangerous to do this since you may be ignoring things like
clean
>vs. sloppy playing, dynamics, etc..
>
>Some comparison is certainly worthwhile, and if we can do it without
putting
>down the musicians I find it very constructive. In addition, if you
play an
>instrument and you compare styles of other players of that instrument,
you
>can learn a helluva lot about your own playing..
>
>My point: Comparison is not always a negative thing!
>
>For example: Listen to the instrumental, "grooving" part of Extreme's
>"Cupid's Dead" and the instrumental, "grooving" part of DT's "Take the
>Time." There are some very cool similarities there..
>
>-Neil.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:37:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater -Philadelphia
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.02A.9808250027080.25708-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Let me preface my following statements by saying what I ask is in no way
greedy and I think a lot of people will second my comments.
With that being said, we all know that Dream Theater has ignored Philly
for a long time, two words -- AWAKE TOUR. Dream Theater has done very
well in making up for lost time with the special added show in early
December at the TLA, and the show in May at the Electric Factory -- Both
shows sold out!
I assume with the current schedule the band is on, after the ELP/DP tour
the band will retire for the holidays and then work on M2 and other new
material in the spring. I think that it is very possible that a brief
live album tour, or just another holiday tour could take place this
December. Why not add a show in Philly? The popularity is up in the
area, we all got dicked over due to the Camden (which is Philly) show, and
this would cement your new bond with the city.
So when you do that new music/home for the holidays/live album tour add
Philly in with Birch Hell, Toads, and the NYC show.... it's only 2 hours
down the turnpike.
Mike and Derek, your comments would be appriecated...thanks, andy
Andrew Miller
ytsejam@Udel.Edu
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:13:41 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ytsejam shirt url
Message-ID: <35E24805.AA5D43A@bigfoot.com>
>Ytsejam T-shirts: I lost the URL of the site where the copy of the
shirt
>was going to be posted on. Can someone re-post the site URL?
Thanks. I
>want to place an order.
And for that, jesus loves you. www.j51.com/~mrasiel is the site, the
ordering info is not on it yet because the shirts are almost but not yet
done. Also, to the guy who was compiling the page of DT shirts, I think
that's a great idea! have you considered posters as well?
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:17:30 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Janet Jackson Message-ID: <35E248EA.A5DEAFE3@isd.net>
Manuel wrote: Dushko said: <<Yep, Pop music was much better back in those days.>>
>My opinion: >"I hate Pop, I hate Soul, keep METAL shining everywhere I go!!!" I have a friend that thinks just like you do. His narrow mindedness severely limits him. This kind of thinking prevents him from enjoying a great deal of excellent music. His problem may be due to a lack of gray matter. He finds it hard to head bang to ACoS. "Them stupid slow parts suck, man" Enough said.
Before you reply, remember where you are.
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:34:13 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Steve VAI and Liquid Tension Experiment Message-ID: <19980825053413.12882.qmail@hotmail.com>
I definitely agree. That would be cool for them to jam with other greats like Steve Vai and Billy Sheehan. But regardless of who they jam with, they should all definitely continue to jam with other artists to keep their perspectives fresh, including James who himself also just completed a side project, which was mentioned in the RockOnline the other night, the 14th I believe. I didn't catch the name of it, but I'd like to hear that!
>Sender: ytsejam@ax.com >From: BubaMeats@aol.com >Subject: Steve VAI and Liquid Tension Experiment
>In a message dated 8/23/98 11:25:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com >writes: > ><< SimonJC@aol.com >> >i have suggestion. Mike Portnoy and John P. always do other little side >projects with other amzaing players for instance billy sheanan. I ask maybe >one or both of these guys should try to do something with MR. Steve VAI. I >couldn't imagine what they woudl come up with. Does any one else agree. >JUST An IDEA MIKE> special guest on the next LIquid tension eperment album. >Steve VAI >
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:49:56 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Christian Prog bands Message-ID: <19980825054956.23147.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Paul fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
I'm really sick of sucky punk and ska bands though..... > >Paul Fanguy >http://surf.to/thediezmantrio >drumsrus@bellsouth.net
Yeah, you and me both!
Keep on Jammin' The Hugest Music Fan,
Mike "The Drummer"
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:02:41 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: click tracks... your right Message-ID: <19980825060241.4689.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Sender: ytsejam@ax.com >From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> >Subject: Re: click tracks... your right
>and from what Portnoy said in the clinic, a Click Track is something >similar to an electronic Metronome, but more sophisticated. What ever > >ok, this is how my music teacher explained it to me when we were recording >in his studio: a click track is basically where you sequence the basic >drumline of the song (sans fills or anything fancy, just the basic 'beat') >and use that as a metronome. Dunno if portnoy uses the term differently or >whatever, but that's how we used it. moo. > > >*** END OF TRANSMISSION *** > OK Yeah That's gotta be it! That makes total sense. I guess he uses a metronome to keep time and plays the basic track, then plays another track on top of that. Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:04:38 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vernon et al. in NYC Message-ID: <19980825060438.25116.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu> >Hey all Living Colour fanatics on the list (this means you, Koba!), >I saw something on the web that Vernon Reid had gotten together with >former LC bandmates on 8/20 at the Bottom Line in NYC... did anyone >make it to this show, and more relevantly, did you or anyone you >know get a recording of it? I'd pay _top dollar_ to get a copy >of this show.
I'd love to hear that myself. They were an awesome band. Totally different for the time they came out.
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:12:53 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lie Single, 'jam t-shirts, stuff... Message-ID: <19980825061253.7801.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Inflammabl@aol.com >Subject: Lie Single, 'jam t-shirts, stuff...
>Hey all... > Couple of things... > >1. Lie Single: Does ANYONE know where I can get this. I have tried Are you referring to Long Island Expressway performed by DT. If so, I think I have it on mp3 if you want me to send you that. It may not be the whole thing though. I would like to obtain a copy of that on CD myself.
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:14:16 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lie Single, 'jam t-shirts, stuff... Message-ID: <19980825061416.2034.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Inflammabl@aol.com >Subject: Lie Single, 'jam t-shirts, stuff... >2. Ytsejam T-shirts: I lost the URL of the site where the copy of the shirt >was going to be posted on. Can someone re-post the site URL? Thanks. I >want to place an order.
I wasn't even thinking. I'd love to get a Ytsejam T too!
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:11:12 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fripp Shred? Message-ID: <199808250614.XAA10219@odin.ax.com>
>But if you just wanna hear him shred, then get some King Crimson:)
Uh, I think "shred" is the wrong word. Fripp doesn't play like a Vai would (which is why he was very impressed by the guitarist at G3. He can't play like that because that isn't his style.) That isn't to say that his stuff isn't complex. I just wouldn't call it "shredding".
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:21:59 PDT From: "Michael Velders" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Janet Jackson Message-ID: <19980825062200.21047.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: AL <al@isd.net> >Subject: Re: Janet Jackson >>My opinion: >>"I hate Pop, I hate Soul, keep METAL shining everywhere I go!!!" >I have a friend that thinks just like you do. His narrow mindedness >severely limits him. This kind of thinking prevents him from enjoying >a great deal of excellent music. His problem may be due to a lack >of gray matter. He finds it hard to head bang to ACoS. "Them stupid >slow parts suck, man" Enough said.
What is this, an episode of Beavis and Butthead!? I missed the originating post, but how the hell did we get on the subject of Janet Jackson, or any Jackson on the Ytsejam in the first place. Ummm ... this mailing list is for Progressive Rock and Metal bands, don't you think that Janet Jackson is stretching the topic a little? Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:25:45 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW : Edge of Time interview with Derek Sherinian: draw your own conclusions Message-ID: <35E2D779.3F11@fh-niederrhein.de>
Ok people,
I found this on the Perpetual Motion Message Board and thought I pass it by : Just one thing : I was a bit dissapointed about the Kevin Moore Interview in German Metal Hammer and NOW THIS :-(
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Posted by Harvester of Sorrow on August 24, 1998 at 19:49:27:
I just got through reading "Edge of Time" #13 (great mag!). I could not believe what I was reading during the interview with Derek Sherinian. The following are excperts from the interview. I copied word for word. You can draw your own conclusions.
Regarding the current side projects of DT: Q: For instance, there's Liquid Tension Experiment with Portnoy and Petrucci. A: Yes, Actually hmm...the main project that we only really want to talk about is a side project with John Myung, Rod Morgenstein, on drums, and Ty Tabor from King's X. You got it? Q: You mean this is the most serious project? A: Oh yeah, it's a serious project. We're all very excited about this and will hopefully make money and even go on tour.
Regarding other bands/music: Q: What do you think of Kevin Moore's contrbution on the latest Fates Warning album? A: I don't, I don't like...(laughs) I don't listen to Fates Warning, so I don't know anything about it. Q: What kind of music do you usually dig? A: I really...I LOVED the new Marilyn Manson album. Q: Marilyn Manson? A: Yeah, "Antichrist Superstar." I think that's the best album of the 90's. Q: Really? A: I loved it. Q: Could you explain a little why? A: It has power. I listen to it and it's...(looking to the ceiling and opening his arms like doing a gesture of embrace)...POWER! And that's what I like. Q: Don't you think there's perhaps also a big part of this band which is made by marketing, got do with a carefully studied image: the decadence in soceity message and so forth, the status of the US society, etc? A: I liked that to. They're like the whole image. I like the sound, I like the whole...thing.
Regarding more bands and the genre
Q: It's not the first time I hear opinions like yours in the progressive field. A: I really will be honest with you, I really don't like a lot of noise. Q: I appreciate that your honest in that aspect. A: Yeah, I mean, like this all bands...Angra Q: I see, very technical... A: ...Symphony X...I mean in some way all these people are spinning off Dream Theatre. Yeah, everybody listens to it. I will be honest with you: if I was not in DT, I don't even know if I'd be a fan of them. That's weird. (laughs)
Regarding the non-acceptance of the mainstream US and the writing of the last disc: Q: I personally think there's still a barrier present there for supporting anything with the "heavy music" label on. The fact that such songs as "Take Away My Pain' are very commercial, did it help someway? A: Nope, we did write them hoping that it would, but it didn't. Q: So, were you possibly thinking about that when you writing the new album? A: (pause) Hmm. I mean do you think that...? Look, every band...I know fans like the idea of bands staying creative, to stuck or whatever, but we want to be HUGE! You know we want to play the big stadiums, we want to...
I don't think Gergorio enjoyed the interview that much. Care to comment Giedrius?
Glenn H.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4222 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980825021624.38576A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > There used to be another cool Christian band called House of Lords. They've released three albums in a '87-92 time period and I think their "Demons > Down" album is a true masterpiece in the AOR genre.
They're a Christian band? Since when? I have the first two albums and I don't see/hear anything that would make them an overtly Christian band. "Not that there's anything wrong with that." I always meant to get Demons Down, but never did. Now I'll have to hit the cut-out bins.
> I got Kindness of Strangers a few days ago and I have to say that this is my > best purchase since LTE. The thing which separates these guys from most > other prog bands is that they're geared more towards writing songs than > stunning us with their technical ablility.
Funny, I'm listening to "June" as I type this. A few years ago D-man played me an album of theirs (possibly "The Light," though that's just a guess) and I wasn't too impressed. I thought they had some great pop ideas, but then they would go and fuck them up with some weird bridge or pre-chorus or something. I remember thinking that it sounded like a bunch of potentially cool songs being randomly spliced together. Well, I happened to be at Tower Records in L.A. and I stumbled across "Kindness Of Strangers." I figured, "What the hell...I have my mom's credit card to burn" and picked it up. And I have to admit, it's not bad. The best song on here is "The Good Don't Last," followed closely by "June." They are kind of quirky, both lyrically and in terms of the instrumentation in their songs, but you get used to it after a while. The harmonies ARE excellent, however. I'd definitely go see them live, just to see how they pull certain things off. BTW, "June" just ended and Nelson just came on (who had House Of Lords open for them, to tie into the previous subject."
> > AGAIN, THE SAME QUESTION:
Again, the same answer: no!
Richie
P.S. I'll be moving to Boston in exactly one week. I've heard rumors of a list just for Boston jammers. Anyone in the know please feel free to drop me a private line on how to subscribe.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:37:14 +0100 From: Oysterman <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: What am I supposed to do? Message-ID: <98Aug25.083350gmt+0100.31375@gate.tranemo.se>
Oh me, oh my...
Yesterday arrived the new swedish Ginza Music mailorder-catalouge, = filled with great stuff I'm sorry not to already posess. I looked = through the lists and had a lot of thing written down. It would all cost = around $125... and, whoa, that is far too much for my tiny wallet... I took another turn to see what I really *must* to have. And so, I stand = in the choice of some things... I was just wondering if anyone could = help me out with this...?
* DT I&W Live Video ...or... Rush ASOH Live Video * PF's "The Division Bell" ...or... "Wish you were here" * Rush "Signals" ...or... "A Change of Seasons"
PLEASE help me out and, at the same time, help me save 35 bucks a well = as making me love you :-)
Bye!
//Oysterman "Alive at both end but a little dead in the middle"
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