YTSEJAM Digest 4226
Today's Topics:
1) vid
by "Aaron High" <high2day@granitecity.com>
2) VAI SATCH PETRUCCI
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
3) Lie
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) various
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
5) Posters, Stickers
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
6) Black Cat
by RJEN@isma.co.uk
7) ebay
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
8) Re: ebay
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
9) RE: House Of Lords
by RJEN@isma.co.uk
10) T-Shirt page
by Eddy Huisman <Eddy_Huisman@compuserve.com>
11) Re: Edge of Time interview with Derek Sherinian
by David Rothlisberger <David.Rothlisberger.1@uni.massey.ac.nz>
12) King Crimson albums 'n stuff
by Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
13) Re: Extreme's Cupid's Dead / Progressive or not Progressive
by Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no>
14) Re: Oysterman's GINZA order
by Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no>
15) Ytsefootball - only _3_ spots left!
by Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:57:31 -0500
From: "Aaron High" <high2day@granitecity.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: vid
Message-ID: <000401bdcff5$a28675a0$f35cc7d0@high2day>
-What we are looking for is basically this. Just a video on quick
metal riffs, and solos, techniques?!? I heard Friedman has some good
ones.. umm any out there in YtseLand who could shed some light for us?-
Probably a hundred people are gonna say this, but Petrucci's probably got
one of the best for building your chops, especially since you're gonna get
just one. I mean, damn, it's nearly 2 hrs long. Check it out, good value.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 03:21:31 -0400
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: VAI SATCH PETRUCCI
Message-ID: <35E265FA.CF265060@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I've been reading the recent thread about trying to sound like other
players. Petrucci can NEVER sound like Vai or Satch or Fripp or even
people like Cobain or Frehely. And this is why: EMOTION AND FEELING
If I were to write a solo right now, no one can sound exactly like me,
because I wrote that solo, and I used my brain to write that solo. And
no one thinks exactly like another person. Petrucci doesn't know how or
why or what kind of feelings were used to write a solo such as the solo
to "The Muffin Man" Only Frank Zappa knows, because he's the one who
wrote it. And all you guitarists out there who think any guitarist can
sound like any other guitarist is dead wrong. And my best advice for
you is to stop worrying if you sound like Petrucci or any other
guitarist, and start worrying more about your own playing and your own
style. If you try to sound like someone else, then others will realize
that AND your style of playing will sound unoriginal and boring.
~Chris
-- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools.- King Crimson
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:48:31 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lie Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C341E27B99@ms.kallback.com>
1. Lie Single: Does ANYONE know where I can get this.
I'll sell you mine for $125.00.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 04:16:20 -0400 From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980825041620.0070d428@popserver.panix.com>
On 15:13 1998-08-21 -0700, you wrote:
> Heh. Hoping you're reading this one,
I was! (Mail directly to jens@panix.com is of course a lot less "probabilistic"... but in any case I'm really bad about replying in a timely fashion nowadays. Sadly.)
> I have a quick query for you, > keyboard-wise. The "choral voice" patch that is almost your trademark
Ah, the faux-mellotron type of sound... :) trademark? Not really, it's standard neoclassic metal fare. The song "Gates of Babylon" launched a thousand shitty multi sample patches..
> Is that one a stock sound, or did you create it > yourself? And where can I get hold of it?
The Roland JV80/880/1080/2080 can house something called the "orchestral expansion board" with lots of orchestral multi samples -- amongst others a quite decent choir patch. (means I can travel lightly nowadays -- only a 1080 and a DX7)
> > Your post was in MIME... > MIME or HTML posts are against the rules of the list. > As few rules as we have here, you'd think that one would be easy to follow.
Noted. (And a lot easier to follow if it was mentioned somewhere in the subscribe notice! ;) BTW I can turn quoted-printable off, not MIME -- I hope that's what you guys mean). Why not filter out the QP shite before it even enters the list BTW?
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:03:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Jazz recomendations!!!!
> > in particular). I like Louis Armstrong but beyond that I have > > really not listened to anyone. Could you guys (and gals :) > > suggest artists to start with?
Charlie Parker might not be a bad bet. Or early Miles Davis.
Anyway.
I'm going to Tokyo tomorrow for some Strato promo, so I suppose I'll see all of you in the Lexington Queen. Barring any seismic activity! I'll be the guy in the "Jobson is God" T-shirt doing the lambada with a Long Island Iced Tea balanced on my head. Actually, I think Gas Panic is within crawling distance of our hotel as well. Trouble...
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 04:28:18 EDT From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Posters, Stickers Message-ID: <1ca28831.35e275a3@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/25/98 7:04:38 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< have you considered posters as well? >>
WE NEED DREAM THEATER POSTERS, LOTS OF THEM WHERE ARE THEY???? ALSO STICKERS WHERE ARE THEY???
~ESH~
ESH's Pointless Page http://members.aol.com/DrummerEsh/FrameSet1.html
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:24:55 +0100 From: RJEN@isma.co.uk To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Black Cat Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F8431E723@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Somebody wrote that the guitarist on 'Black Cat' was Nuno B. when it was in fact Vernon Reid from Living Colour.
Just putting things into perspective.
Rhys
NP: Eddi Reader - Candyfloss and Medicine
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:32:37 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Freaks'" <freaks@ax.com>, "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ebay Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C341E27BA2@ms.kallback.com>
Has anyone bought or sold anything through ebay? http://www.ebay.com Any good or bad experiences? How much does it cost to sell something?
Trevor ps Does anyone know the address of the Tori Amos list? (Thoughts?)
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> Subject: Re: ebay Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980825062626.13273A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Has anyone bought or sold anything through ebay?
I've bought dozens of things through EBAY. I'm very impressed by the way they handle things - and the market dictactes the price [see: lie single]. It's a novel idea, but one I think who's time has come.
- mike.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:13:04 +0100 From: RJEN@isma.co.uk To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: House Of Lords Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F843264E0@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Hi,
I don't think House Of Lords themselves are a christian band, but certainly their guitarist Lanny Cordola is. If you check out his unofficial home page, it indicates his beliefs and gives a run down on his involvement in christian music.
Apart from that he's a shit-hot guitarist/song-writer/producer IMO. Not that being a christian [or sufferring from any religion ;-)] would affect his talent). Anybody got any of his stuff they want to sell me. Email me privately.
Cheers,
Rhys
NP: Alex Masi - Vertical Invader
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:49:59 -0400 From: Eddy Huisman <Eddy_Huisman@compuserve.com> To: Ytsejazz <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: T-Shirt page Message-ID: <199808250650_MC2-5749-336D@compuserve.com>
Joshua Rasiel wrote:
>Also, to the guy who was compiling the page of DT shirts, I think >that's a great idea! have you considered posters as well?
First of all thanks for your feedback. Up untill now noone has send me anything though so I'll await the success of this before I start making a=
poster page. However I think it would fit in nicely
Eddy DT Shirts page (http://www.carpe-diem.demon.nl/dtshirts.html)
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:20:33 +1200 From: David Rothlisberger <David.Rothlisberger.1@uni.massey.ac.nz> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Edge of Time interview with Derek Sherinian Message-ID: <199808251119.EAA13540@odin.ax.com>
I honestly don't see what's the big deal...
>Yes, Actually hmm...the main project that we only really want to talk about is >a side project with John Myung, Rod >Morgenstein, on drums, and Ty Tabor from King's X. You got it?
I assume the interview was about Platypus and Derek just wanted to get back on topic.
>Oh yeah, it's a serious project. We're all very excited about this and will >hopefully make money and even go on tour.
Why is it not a problem when Mike says that he'd like to do a LTE tour, and that they're planning on making a LTE 2? That sounds like a serious project to me...
>I liked that to. They're like the whole image. I like the sound, I like the >whole...thing.
I personally don't like Marylin Manson, and I don't really like the "Devil image" at all, but since when do the members of DT have to like only what you think they can? And it's not like he likes MM _just_ because of the image, but he likes the music and happens to thinks the whole image is kinda cool.
>Symphony X...I mean in some way all these people are spinning off >Dream Theater. Yeah, everybody listens to it.
A lot of the bands I've come to know through the 'jam are excellent, but there are a few that simply don't cut the mustard, as far as originality goes. And if you're not original, it doesn't really matter how many notes per second you can play (IMO). Not that I'm dissing Symphony X or anything, I don't even have any of their CDs, It's just a general comment.
>I will be honest with you: if I was not in DT, I don't even know if I'd be a >fan of them. That's weird. (laughs)
Heheh... I've always wondered if Derek had even _heard_ of DT before joining them... actually, he probably had, I gather DT is much more well known in the States than in some other countries (of course still not _popular_ by the current music industry's standards).
But face it: If a band, say Tesla, came to me and said "we're thinking of getting back together but we'll need a keyboardist, would you like to join us?" I'd leap at the chance (if I could even play, that is), even though I'm not exactly a fan. I do like their music, but they're not in my top 20 or anything...
>songs as "Take Away My Pain' are very commercial, did it help >someway? >A: Nope, we did write them hoping that it would, but it didn't.
It's obvious (to me, at least) that DT has tried to be more "successful" in terms of sales and so on, but how is that a bad thing? Why can't you want to make some money as well as writing the music you love? It's not like they'd come out with an album full of grungy, alternative, songs. Yes, Anna Lee may be a simpler song than what you're used to hearing from DT, but it's what they wanted to do, and I'm sure that for every fan that doesn't like AL, there's at least one who does.
Sorry about the long post... it's my first "real" post, apart from simply asking recommendations on other bands, but it really pisses me off that people expect each member of DT to do only what the "fan" thinks is appropriate for a member of his or her favorite band.
- David.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:28:03 +0200 From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King Crimson albums 'n stuff Message-ID: <35E29FC3.1B4C137D@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:48:30 -0400 (EDT) > From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> > To: Jason Earle <looeee@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. > > As for "what King Crimson album should i get," here are a few > recommendations: > > In The Court Of The Crimson King (1969) > > This, their first album, is one of the best ones. This album > features Greg Lake on bass/vocals, and a whole slew of performers. > Check out "21st Century Schzoid Man" and you'll realize what all > the fuss is about. > > Discipline (1981) > > The first album with the 80's lineup: Fripp, Bruford, Tony Levin > (bass, stick), and Adrian Belew (vocals, guitar). This, along with > ITCotCK, is their best work. HIGHLY reccomended.
Personally, I heard only these 2. Now, IMO these 2 albums are TOTALLY different. The concept I had about KC was - cool, weird music, legend band... But the 1-st album doesn't do anything to me: quite tame and too "normal". :-) Only "21-st..." jumps out of the whole album mood. Luckily, before that I already heard "Discipline" and I LOVED it the first moment I heard it. That time I didn't even know what I'm listening 'cause the guy I took the tape from made mistake with the tapes sides content. And my point finally: WHAT music out of this is trademark of King Crimson? What is that revolutionery sound they came up with, earning places in encyclopedias? I don't think it's the 1-st album.
> From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> > Subject: Re: Jazz recommendations > > And if you like Romantic Warrior, you owe it to yourself to pick up > Chick Corea's "Friends" CD. No goofy sound effects like on > Romantic Warrior.1-2 songs are a > little straight forward but the remainder will blow your mind. > "Cappuccino" is the single most intense song that I have heard, period. > Steve Gadd (drums) is a monster. And, because these guys were/still are > po-musicians, this all took place on the 1-2 takes of studio time that > they could afford !!
Can I ask what period this album is from? Early Chick Corea? Other musicians than Steve Gadd? > From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> > To: thecowgod <dmc@dreamt.org> > Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. > > > >Discipline (1981) > > > > > > The first album with the 80's lineup: Fripp, Bruford, Tony Levin > > >(bass, stick), and Adrian Belew (vocals, guitar). This, along with > > > > the chapman stick existed back then? i thought it was a relatively new > > invention. moo. > > As far as I know, Tony's been using it since the late 70's - > rememeber he's the one who brought the Stick to it's fame (check out the > opening section of _Elephant Talk_ - yes, kids, that's all stick).
Heck! I was wondering how for God's sake was that part played. That intro RULES! The drums also :-) Just that yelling annoing vocal ruins the whole picture.
> From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> > Subject: Re: Janet Jackson > > Dushko said: > <<Yep, Pop music was much better back in those days.>> > > My opinion: > "I hate Pop, I hate Soul, keep METAL shining everywhere I go!!!" > > (Modern Metal Talking) > DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
Now, isn't open-mindness that made prog. exist and develop? :-)
Dushko -- _______________________________________ <| |> <| "Everything's is immaterial |> <| You know that reality is immaterial? |> <| This is not reality!" |> <| |> <| - "Voices", |> <| Dream Theater |> <|_______________________________________|>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:46:37 +0200 From: Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Extreme's Cupid's Dead / Progressive or not Progressive Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980825114637.006dadd8@online.no>
In response to Michael Velder's post: >>Does anyone on the list have an mp3 of Extreme's "Cupid's Dead". Lately= =20 >>on the jam, I've been reading a lot about this and other Extreme songs=20 >>that in some way compare to Prog and I'd like to hear it. This song has an instrumental part that is just unbelievable! I actually think DT played a part of this during the Instrumental section of Metropolis on the Fix for 97 tour (although I have never heard this.. Are there any bootlegs out there with this version of MET? I would LOVE to get a copy of that!)=20 I'm quite sure that you won't find any mp3s of Cupid's Dead on the WWW, but email me privately if you want me to make you one. Ok?
And a question for all you people out there: Is Extreme concidered to be progressive? IMO, music should be concidered to be progressive if the music does something completely new with and old genre. When Dream Theater first= came=20 with WDADU, people said: "Whoa! I've never heard anything quite like THIS before!". In that way, the music was concidered to be progressive, because= DT did something entirely new with the eighties standard rock/metal. But when some other band comes along and rips DT's music off so completely that it is almost hard to hear the difference, I wouldn't concider THAT band to be progressive because they do nothing new with the music that hasn't already been=20 done.=20 Anyway, my point is that when Extreme first came with III Sides to Every= Story, that album was (and still is) something so different from anything I had heard before that I would concider it to be progressive. What do you other people think about this? I really want to hear other people's opinions.
Carpe Diem P=E5l Birger =20
********************************** * +-As the rain is pouring down * * Tears of sorrow wash his mind * * Drifting with the current * * This stream of life goes on-+ * * * * +-Dream Theater *=20 * Lifting Shadows off a Dream-+ * * * * paalbs@online.no * =20 * <http://home.sol.no/~paalbs> * **********************************
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:46:33 +0200 From: Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Oysterman's GINZA order Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980825114633.006d3f2c@online.no>
In response to Oysterman's post:
Hej s=F6ta bror! >I took another turn to see what I really *must* to have. And so, I stand = =3D >in the choice of some things... I was just wondering if anyone could =3D >help me out with this...? > >* DT I&W Live Video ...or... Rush ASOH Live Video >* PF's "The Division Bell" ...or... "Wish you were here" >* Rush "Signals" ...or... "A Change of Seasons"
Is there really any doubt at all?=20 First off: A RUSH vid for a DT vid??? Get real! You don't have the vid, and= you dare to call yourself a fan?? ;-)) Now, I haven't really seen that Rush vid, but the Live in Tokyo vid is perhaps the most entertaining vid I've ever seen. I would surely reccomend it!
Second: IMO, The Division Bell is the best PF album ever made, so if I were to choose between TDB and Wywh, my choice would most certainly fall upon= TDB.
Third: Do yourself a favour and buy ACoS. Need I say more?=20
BTW: Ginza rules! Have you tried ordering from their brand new web service= at www.ginza.se ? It's great! You just punch in the order code(s) of the cd(s)= wou want and send the order. Much faster than ordering by mail!
Carpe Diem P=E5l Birger =20
********************************** * +-As the rain is pouring down * * Tears of sorrow wash his mind * * Drifting with the current * * This stream of life goes on-+ * * * * +-Dream Theater *=20 * Lifting Shadows off a Dream-+ * * * * paalbs@online.no * =20 * <http://home.sol.no/~paalbs> * **********************************
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:13:37 -0400 From: Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsefootball - only _3_ spots left! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980824081337.006df9f8@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
There are only _3_ spots left in the ESPN Ytsefootball league.
http://games-espn.sportszone.com/ffl/tour/index.html
League = "Ytsejam Fantasy Football" Password = "kevmo"
Our draft is tonight! (Wednesday)
I'm not even sure if you can join the league after the draft. If you CAN do it, you probably get stuck with the crappy picks left on waivers. If you really wanna do this, get over there NOW so you can get in on the draft!
See ya there!
Jason Hartman
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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