YTSEJAM Digest 4230
Today's Topics:
1) Kindness, Beauty, and TRUTH.
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
2) Re: B-sides, cuts
by "M. *POJ* DIXON" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
3) Re: DT shirts
by "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
4) Kansas
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
5) Re: SF meet and greet
by "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
6) Re: B-sides, cuts
by MentolPyro@aol.com
7) Time Machine
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@ruralsp.com.br>
8) Gone Jackals?
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@ruralsp.com.br>
9) Re: Derek imposter (Imposter strikes again?)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) Lie Single
by Inflammabl@aol.com
11) The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers...
by Inflammabl@aol.com
12) re: Vai/Evh/ Fripp
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
13) re: Why do people respond to Arash? READ IF YOU CAN
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
14) misc. ramblings
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
15) Re: Derek imposter
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re: Derek imposter
by "Andreas Berger" <aberger@waf-online.de>
17) Re: Paul Gilbert's Hendrix Tribute
by RJEN@isma.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:02:16 -0700
From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Kindness, Beauty, and TRUTH.
Message-ID: <199808260204.TAA26015@smtp.ucsd.edu>
> From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
> At the end of the bass part, (the
> short instrumental part after "i feel kindness, beauty, and
> truuuuuu-uh-uhhhh-uh-uhhhh-uhhhhhhhhhhhst") you can here a click
> track going along with KevMo's keys......
Yeah, he is tapping his finger to it, if I remember correctly.
Isnt it "i feel kindness, beauty, and
truuuuuu-uh-uhhhh-uh-uhhhh-uhhhhhhhhhhhth?"
:)
Thats what is in the liners.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:08:01 PDT
From: "M. *POJ* DIXON" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: B-sides, cuts
Message-ID: <19980826020802.8539.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Jammers!
Anybody feel a Yste-Online-Petition for this coming on???
I'm sure a LOT of people would jump on this wave and ride it to the
end....ya think???
Later Days,
POJ =)
DeathLord wrote:
>I think that after the Once In A LIVEtime comes out, and then a regular
>album, we should be blessed with a b-sides album including rare songs
that
>span the entire discography of DT. It would definately have to be a
double
>CD. The guys wouldn't even have to rerecord it. They could just remix
and
>improve the production on some of the older stuff. Those MP3's of the
>Majesty demos kick some ass. They would be ideal candidates.
> If Mike is listening, how about it? (Derek probably isn't too
thrilled
>with material without him!)
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:27:09 -0700
From: "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT shirts
Message-ID: <199808260234.TAA07414@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
On the t-shirt subject : Everywhere i go, i see only one shirt being sold
(the FII 3 photo
bikini top, bow shirt) at places like CD Now and Music Boulevard. The one i
want is the
black one with a photo of the band posing, also from the FII tour. Can
anyone direct me to where i can choose from a multiple selection of DT
t-shirts? I've went to every music shop that sells rock shirts in my area,
and no one has even heard of Dream Theater there. If i listened to
alternative music, Cd's and shirts would be waiting for me in every store,
so this makes Dream Theater a hard band to like because i can't get my hands
on any of their merchandise. This is driving me crazy. Someone please help!
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:39:00 -0500
From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kansas
Message-ID: <199808260238.TAA15525@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
>Now I can tell you it was me... :)
damn, man. now who's gonna play drums while you use up those life time
supply of tickets for exposing the imposter?
>DT sights as an
>influence and
and i can't get Masque outa the cd player in the car this week. too easy
to jam to while driving down the highway to and from work. add the fact
that i roll my own cigarettes while i'm singing along and i really get some
strange looks from the locals and the tourists. it's just Mysteries and
Mayhem...
but, just thinking about it today i thought (for a second) i saw some
familiarity with Masque and FII. they both have their radio songs mixed
with some really great (immortal) tunes _and_ Kansas wasn't a really "big"
draw when they toured at that time (or during their first 2 albums). just
wondering (out loud mind ya) if the next DT studio release could be ...
"the one"?
yzzy
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:38:23 -0700
From: "MEMKIL" <memkilun@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: SF meet and greet
Message-ID: <199808260246.TAA16914@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Mike Portnoy e-mailed me with the following info when i asked about
autograph signings in San Francisco:
-----Original Message-----
]From: Portnoy420@aol.com <Portnoy420@aol.com>
To: memkilun@EARTHLINK.NET <memkilun@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: please respond!!
>In a message dated 8/17/98 1:27:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>memkilun@earthlink.net writes:
>
><< Do you guys take at-home autograph requests, or do you just sign at
> shows? >>
>
>You'd have to get us by the bus before or after a show.
>We'll be at The Warfield next friday the 28th.
>We are on the White bus with black trim.
>I'll see ya then,
>Mike Portnoy
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:46:21 EDT
From: MentolPyro@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: B-sides, cuts
Message-ID: <1fbaca53.35e376fe@aol.com>
Deathlord writes:
<< I think that after the Once In A LIVEtime comes out, and then a regular
album, we should be blessed with a b-sides album including rare songs that
span the entire discography of DT...... Those MP3's of the
Majesty demos kick some ass. >>
dont count on it deathy, i heard Mike say that Dream Theater wants to keep
moving forward, that's why they wouldn't re-release the '86 Majesy Demos, or
any other unreleased material. Unless he and/or Dream Theater change their
minds, dont count on such a blessing. Eh, Mike if you're reading this (I
should be so lucky, I can't believe i just called him "Mike" !!!!) you can
correct me, who knows what might have happened between when you said that and
now. Oh well, i tried to contribute, that's all that counts damnit!
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:55:02 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@ruralsp.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Time Machine
Message-ID: <35DBF276.1612CD2D@ruralsp.com.br>
Hey ye jammanoids!
> ------------------------------
> From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
> Subject: Time machine
> Does anyone know a band named Time Machine (Italian I think). They have
> some sort of 'Galileo' album... Anybody know if this is worth checking
> out?
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Yes, it's an Italian band.
There are three albuns and 1 EP (albuns: Project: Time Scanning, Act
II: Galileo, Shades of Time - this last one more an EP, but... and the
EP "Dungeons of Vatican", that I thing most tracks are included in the
newer re-release of "Project: Time Scanning"). Their sound changes from
album to album.
IMHO, "Act II: Galileo" is by far the best, although the sound quality
of the recording is not that good. The music is fantastic, and the album
is some kind of "rock opera" a la Savatage. :-)
The singer is quite good (the last album "Shades of Time" has a new one
that's not so good), and all the musicians are quite adept. This last
one is pretty different from the first two ones, more heavy and less
proggy (they even have a cover of Black Sabbath's "Heaven and Hell").
The first album (Project: Time Scanning) is heavy and somewhat
progressive, sounds like a mix of the two following ones. :-) Pretty
nice also, but I think that Act II is by far their best.
I had a bookmark for a page about them, but I lost it. :-)
Anyway, they're worth checking out.
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@ruralsp.com.br | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:06:56 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@ruralsp.com.br> To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Gone Jackals? Message-ID: <35DBF540.77BBE84C@ruralsp.com.br>
Hi there jammanoids!!!
I know this is probably not a prog band (not in the least), but, what the hell. :-)
I was in a back-to-old-times mood today and decided to play good old "Full Throttle", mainly because I remembered the sound track. It was composed by a so-called "biker band" called The Gone Jackals. All I know is that the first song your hear in the game kicks major ass!!! I'm searching CDNow right now for some RA's from them, but they're too short.
Anyone listen to these guys? Any recommendations? Are they worth a try???
-- []'s /********************************************\ | Marcelo Vanzin | | vanzin@ruralsp.com.br | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ | \********************************************/
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:15:47 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek imposter (Imposter strikes again?) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980826001449.25442A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Ryan Roehrich wrote:
> Either mike has switched to using 4.05 of netscape instead of AOL 4.0 mail > or this was the imposter sending this pretending to be Mike now instead of > Derek. Hopefully I'm not making an ass out of myself by being wrong :)
So this means that now you're paying attention to the Mail User Agents (MUA is the jargon), huh? ;-)
> Ryan
Well observed, BTW.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:15:32 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lie Single Message-ID: <b3361ae5.35e37dd5@aol.com>
>From: Inflammabl@aol.com >Subject: Lie Single, 'jam t-shirts, stuff...
I have tried Are you referring to Long Island Expressway performed by DT. If so, I think I have it on mp3 if you want me to send you that. It may not be the whole thing though. I would like to obtain a copy of that on CD myself.
Well, I am actually looking for a CD copy of "To Live Forever" I have it in MP3 form, but I would really love to have a copy on CD. I am told that this CD is only available via import.. but I am not sure. I would love to have a copy!! Later, J
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:20:35 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers... Message-ID: <5872a1bd.35e37f04@aol.com>
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 MaxArbot@aol.com wrote: > > I was thinking that since I know I'm definitely not the only DT fan in the > world, I could help share this cool idea. If I were to have my friend make > some, and I were to sell them over the 'net, or something, would that be > legal? Afterall, it is Dream Theater's logo. I wasn't sure if this would be > copyright infringement of some kind. Just wanted to fly that by you > guys/gals. >
I doubt that the symbol is trademarked by Dream Theater, especially since it's the letter "M" in specific font that's probably used by others....
However, there might be a problem is you actually associate the name "Dream Theater" with the symbol, since the name of the band is licensed or something (don't know the legal-ese). But then again, people are selling the Ytsejam T-shirts as well.
If you do a sticker with just the symbol, I don't think there's a problem at all. Hell, if someone calls you on it, just say you were selling it to people as a monogram for their cars, and that only people whose first or last names began with the letter "m", or only for people who had an "m" in their name. (both of which don't apply to me). Or for people whose cars began with "m" or had an "m" in it. (damn, still doesn't apply to me). awww, fuck it, I don't want a sticker anyway.
Just my convoluted look at things - the crack rocks this morning :)
-Al
Well, here's my .02, like it matters, but this is how I see it. We are a fan club organization. I think that we could probably have it as an internal thing... As long as the "Magesty" logo is associated with the online fanclub known as the "ytsejam" I don't think DT would mind. If you sold the bumper stickers to outside people.. I think that would be frowned upon. Later, J
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Date: 25 Aug 98 13:57:06 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Vai/Evh/ Fripp Message-ID: <199808260419.VAA22332@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Ernesto writes: >Soooooo what your saying is that dedicated practicing leads to some >kind of uniform sound? bzzzzt. Vai and Petrucci sound veeeery >different when playing speed-picking runs.
When you reach a certain speed, there aren't many nuances to add to the picking. I'm talking some of the top speeds of guys like Petrucci and Vai. If you had Petrucci and Vai play the SAME 16th notes at 208 BPM, I bet it would sound extremely similar. What distinguishes their styles the most are the CHOICE of notes and all the nuances that they add when they're NOT playing quite so fast.. This theory breaks down when you analyze guitarists who are "sloppy" or who have a lot of pick noise in their playing. Petrucci and Vai are quite clean, however.
>In fact I could tell Vai, >Satch, and JP's playing a mile away.
As could I, for the reasons mentioned above..
>No matter how hard you practice, >it's nearly impossible to sound exactly like someone else. There are >many nuances like the angle of the pick, where in the guitar you pick, >vibrato, etc, etc.. Nobody can sound exactly like EVH, or Vai, or >Stach, or Petrucci, or (insert your fave guitarist here)
I agree with this completely, and I even mentioned it as a disclaimer in my original post..
Just clarifying, -Neil.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:25:21 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com, jkruger@ee.net Subject: re: Why do people respond to Arash? READ IF YOU CAN Message-ID: <35E428E1.492@fh-niederrhein.de>
Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> wrote :
>I'm a participant in that message board. It is Perpetual Motion. The URL >is http://www.mindcage.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html . >Unfortunately, Arash has miscalculated the possibility that someone >from that board might also read the jam.
No no, don't tell me that you can read !!! You can't read and that's a fact.
>It is a good board. Some of you may be surprised that Arash has >quite decidedly misrepresented the reaction to his message on >the board. Sure, he got a few responses from the knee jerkers and >the DT-nonfans, but for the most part he got the same reaction from >the board that he got here from Jon - paraphrasing here "who gives >a crap. he's being honest. he's entitled to his opinions.", etc.
Are you on crack or what ? I've never send any message about Derek on the board. The interview message was send by Harvester of Sorrow and not me. I'm a Derek fan. Are you blind ? You don't even read my posts so shut up. Look at my Platypus review. Look at my favorit solos of time. Look at my concert reports. I think, Derek is god (Jordan Rudess too). But I'm a bit dissapionted about the way he answer to the question and that's all.
>The board is a great place to find out info about lesser known prog >metal bands, but is generally not too friendly to bands on major labels >who modify their style to a more commercial nature. Arash was >pandering to this tendency with his inflammatory post. I guess >posting this kind of crap increases his raging hard-on for Empty Tremor >and Royal Hunt. (Don't get me wrong, I have everything by both and >think that they are very good, but I stop a little short of bowing down >and worshipping them like our good frien Arash, nor do I get my >jollies by repeatedly informing the world of my disappointment with >FII and DT).
I've just re-postet (forwarded) the message from Harvest Of Sorrow to the Jam. I thought the people on the jam should read it.
>As far as my mostly rhetorical subject line...hasn't everyone yet >learned that this guy is full of crap? Please ignore him so that he >can go live in his isolated little prog or die world.
YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP. Some people on the board are angry about Derek because in their eyes he don't like progressive metal and I think that's bullshit. The importent think is that he can play keyboards and nothing else.
TO DEFEND DEREK, I'VE POSTEST THE KEVIN MOORE INTERVIEW TO THE BOARD SO THEY CAN SEE THAT, KEVIN ALSO IS NOT IN PROG METAL ANYMORE BUT HIS STILL A GOOD PLAYER.
P.S. Joe Kruger do me a favor and open your eyes while reading something ok.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:47:09 +0300 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: misc. ramblings Message-ID: <199808260647.jaa12278@estcard.ee>
]From: RJEN@isma.co.uk Subject: Paul Gilbert's Hendirx Tribute
> As for Steve Vai participating, what about Jason Becker, Marty Friedman,
I'm sure Jason Becker would have some difficulties. I haven't heard what's going on in his camp lately, but last I heard, he couldn't even move his tongue. :-(
]From: Portnoy420@aol.com Subject: Re: Derek imposter
> Now I can tell you it was me... :)
Whoa. Portnoy gets free tickets for all Dream Theater concerts to come! What a bonus. :-)
Then again, if Portnoy can impersonate Derek, why not vice versa. How do I know this isn't.... Mmmm... Bafu Vai?
Imposter time again. D-Man, are you ready? :-)
]From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> Subject: Who's watching?
> Does anyone know how many people are on this board?
*sigh* There are some 1400.
You must belong to that write-only community of subscribers. It's the second time this week that the subject's being brought up. (And replied to, too.) Must go in the FAQ, but then again, who reads the FAQ nowadays anyway. "Hello, I'm a new DT fan, why does Pull Me Under end so abruptly? Is my CD crippled?"
Wake up time.
Raitz
Now watching: home video of me and Salma Hayek
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek imposter Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980826040518.2951B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Is this a load? This guy is using mosilla mailer? Not aol.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:14:46 +0200 From: "Andreas Berger" <aberger@waf-online.de> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek imposter Message-ID: <01bdd0c9$96750fe0$61ce63c3@p100>
Mike Portnoy (or his imposter) wrote:
> Now I can tell you it was me... :)
Oh come on, you just want the free DT tickets... ;-)
Take Care, Andreas Berger
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:35:30 +0100 From: RJEN@isma.co.uk To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Paul Gilbert's Hendrix Tribute Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F84326530@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Phil Wrote:
Um, having Jason play on a G3 tour would be a little difficult, unless he has managed a miraculous recovery. Last I heard he wasn't even able to feed himself without difficulty. ALS bites.
I type:
I can appreciate that having Jason Becker tour would be impossible, but after all, it was only a wish list of guitarists. I belive Jason Becker to be a talent in terms of song-writing and composition on a par with Steve Vai, if not superior because of the variety of styles he is able to successfully write good tunes for. But I don't really want to become embroiled in a 'guitarist A better than B' war.
Just listen to all the music ;-) I wish I had time to listen to my meagre CD collection.
Cheers,
Rhys
NP: Lanny Cordola - Of Riffs And Symphonies (another good song writer)
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