YTSEJAM Digest 4229
Today's Topics:
1) Black Cat
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
2) Re: LTE 2 Lineup
by Calvin6S@aol.com
3) re: DS Interview, Symphony X
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Re: LTE 2 Lineup / DAFR
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
5) Re: Symphony-X
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
6) Light fuse and OT
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
7) Re: Derek imposter
by Portnoy420@aol.com
8) FFVII and DT... and some other stuff... I guess... maybe...
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
9) I meant FFVII...
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
10) Re: Paul Gilbert's Hendrix Tribute
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
11) B-sides, cuts
by "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
12) Voices of a Cultural Revolution
by SimonJC@aol.com
13) Re: Derek imposter (Imposter strikes again?)
by Ryan Roehrich <rroehrich@mdausa.org>
14) HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEREK!!!
by AnalogGal@aol.com
15) VAI/LTE
by BubaMeats@aol.com
16) Guitarists
by WhoFooldU@aol.com
17) Mariah Carey
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
18) Why do people respond to Arash?
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
19) Who's watching?
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
20) Why do people respond to Arash? - REPOST
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:41:49 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Black Cat
Message-ID: <19980825194107.JZTL27789@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
>Somebody wrote that the guitarist on 'Black Cat' was Nuno B. when it was
>in fact Vernon Reid from Living Colour.
Actually, no. It was Nuno. You should check your sources. And I wasn't the
original poster on this topic.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:54:21 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE 2 Lineup
Message-ID: <5a1462fb.35e3166e@aol.com>
><<Didnt mike himself state that the 2nd Liquid tension experiment could only
>have the same lineup as the first because that was what LTE was?>>
>
>Which is good. I dont think Vai could do anything for LTE. John is just
>enough
Actually, I would love to hear one song with Dimebag Darrell. He was
mentioned as a possibility on LTE 1. It serves both a musical value AND a
commercial value. Think of all the Pantera fans that would buy LTE just
because Dimebag is on it. But not just a solo from Dimebag, I'm talking about
full collaboration on atleast just one song. Give a solo to Petrucci just so
we can hear how Petrucci would sound in that context. I think this is one
idea worth exploring.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: DS Interview, Symphony X
Message-ID: <19980825195248.17026.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
David Rothlisberger <David.Rothlisberger.1@uni.massey.ac.nz> wrote:
>>Symphony X...I mean in some way all these people are spinning off
>>Dream Theater. Yeah, everybody listens to it.
> A lot of the bands I've come to know through the 'jam are excellent,
but
> there are a few that simply don't cut the mustard, as far as
originality
> goes. And if you're not original, it doesn't really matter how many
notes
> per second you can play (IMO). Not that I'm dissing Symphony X or
anything,
> I don't even have any of their CDs, It's just a general comment.
Since you mention you haven't heard Symphony X, I would highly
recommend them (TDWoT, TiO). They're more like Yngwie than DT. I've
picked up many of the bands/recordings mentioned on the jam, and S-X
is my favorite. It took a little longer to get into them, but it was
worth it.
In general, I would say that "original" is too harsh a criteria.
Everyone takes from everything they've ever heard. Hardly anything is
"original", by strict definition. I think that creativity and quality
might be a more accurate criteria (at least for me).
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:07:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: LTE 2 Lineup / DAFR
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980825160233.23120D-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 Calvin6S@aol.com wrote:
[why am i always replying to calvin's posts?]
| ><<Didnt mike himself state that the 2nd Liquid tension experiment could only
| >have the same lineup as the first because that was what LTE was?>>
| >
| >Which is good. I dont think Vai could do anything for LTE. John is just
| >enough
|
| Actually, I would love to hear one song with Dimebag Darrell. He was
[...snip...]
| full collaboration on atleast just one song. Give a solo to Petrucci just so
| we can hear how Petrucci would sound in that context. I think this is one
| idea worth exploring.
while we're at it, why don't we get Rayna from COAL CHAMBER in on bass. that'd
kick ass. and Rob Zombie. and Trent Reznor. and Yanni. i'm drooling already.
if you like chroma key DAFR, you'll like Porcupine Tree _Signify_.
/me passes the bong to carol.
-- john jens + jjens@webzone.net + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:24:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Symphony-X Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02.9808252314230.10103-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
An unspecified while ago Magnus Persson wrote:
> How's the first albums, "The Damnation Game" and "Symphony X", by > Symphony X compared to TDWOT and TIO? Are they similar?
I only have TIO and S-X, but I can say this. IMO S-X is far less progressive than TIO... It DOES have alot of neo-classical melodic stuff in it, but the main thing is certainly great heavy and fast metal. There are some great songs on it (Absinth and Rue: great intro and instrumental weirdness in the middle, and A Lesson Before Dying: the only real progmetal song on it IMHO), the other songs are just good... So if you want fast, wellplayed melodic/neoclassical speed(ish)metal, go for S-X, but don't expect another TIO...
I hear Damnation game has more 'progness' in it... Anyone wants to confirm/deny this?
as always...$.02
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ==============================================================================
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:59:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Majesty <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Light fuse and OT Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02.9808252356210.10103-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Hey all,
just wondering... Listened to WDADU again this afternoon and: does anyone else think that the guitars/keys solo on LFAGA (from 4:13 to 5:40 approx.) has a Ozric-ish mood over it? Especially with all the reverb and all...
BTW How's Ozrics' new album?
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ==============================================================================
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:25:40 +0200 From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Derek imposter Message-ID: <35E32BD3.E7427911@aol.com>
Now I can tell you it was me... :)
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FFVII and DT... and some other stuff... I guess... maybe... Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980825150703.538981270A-100000@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
All right all right, I'll start my message...
I was at a friend's house, playing his PSX (I must be the only person I know who doesn't have one), FFVIII to be exact, and I was listening to the battle music for the boss of the Midgard stage, and after making a few connections (read: jumping to conclusions), I heard some remarkable similarities in the drumming of the song on FFVII and Mike's style. Not all the time, but still, there were some interesting twists in the drumline that kept it interesting even though the song was in 4/4.
I wish I knew how to program... at least then I could start working on a DT simulator... ^_^
And Mike, you've got to pay more attention to Derek's hands as he works the keys... to his AOL password, that is. ^_^ You're such a hacker... (grin)... unless, of course, our imposter has improved and is now impersonating Mike impersonating Derek... whew! I love paranoia!
Anybody here play a cardgame called Mao? That'll make you paranoid.
--Matt
--------------------------------------------------- "Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do." --R. A. Heinlein ---------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I meant FFVII... Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980825151154.538981270B-100000@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
I think I wrote FFVIII on accident in my last post. Sorry!
--Matt
--------------------------------------------------- "Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do." --R. A. Heinlein ---------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:25:02 -0400 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Paul Gilbert's Hendrix Tribute Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980825182502.006a2344@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Rhys wrote: >As for Steve Vai participating, what about Jason Becker, Marty Friedman, >Vinnie Moore or the man they're on tour with now, the one and only Steve >Morse. The G3 suggestion a few jams ago had me salivating.
Um, having Jason play on a G3 tour would be a little difficult, unless he has managed a miraculous recovery. Last I heard he wasn't even able to feed himself without difficulty. ALS bites.
Ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Superior -- "Behind"
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:46:30 -0400 From: "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: B-sides, cuts Message-ID: <006501bdd07a$34b66c80$6718acd1@Customer.in-tech.net>
I think that after the Once In A LIVEtime comes out, and then a regular album, we should be blessed with a b-sides album including rare songs that span the entire discography of DT. It would definately have to be a double CD. The guys wouldn't even have to rerecord it. They could just remix and improve the production on some of the older stuff. Those MP3's of the Majesty demos kick some ass. They would be ideal candidates. If Mike is listening, how about it? (Derek probably isn't too thrilled with material without him!)
DeathLord
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:37:49 EDT From: SimonJC@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Voices of a Cultural Revolution Message-ID: <6813dfbc.35e33cbf@aol.com>
Hi
I was just reading the DTFAQ and was wondering if any of you know who wrote the book "Cultural Revolution" that inspired JP to write Voices and which publisher it is available from. Email me privately.
Thanks Simon Christie
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:46:25 -0700 From: Ryan Roehrich <rroehrich@mdausa.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Derek imposter (Imposter strikes again?) Message-ID: <199808252247.PAA25855@smtp04.primenet.com>
Either mike has switched to using 4.05 of netscape instead of AOL 4.0 mail or this was the imposter sending this pretending to be Mike now instead of Derek. Hopefully I'm not making an ass out of myself by being wrong :)
Ryan
At 03:13 PM 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Now I can tell you it was me... :) >
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:06:18 EDT From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEREK!!! Message-ID: <83dbac1c.35e3517b@aol.com>
Happy, happy birthday bay-beeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Hey, did anyone realize that Derek shares his birthday with rock and roll icon Nicky Lemons? What a coinky-dink, huh?
Christina "Funny how? Like a CLOWN? I'm here to AMUSE you?"
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:19:29 EDT From: BubaMeats@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VAI/LTE Message-ID: <a466f704.35e35492@aol.com>
someone brought up the point that mike would only do the LTE again if it had the same lign up that is why i am saying specail guest appearance.. no way do i want any one to stay out of the song i want them all to get play together .. that would be insand and possibly out of this world.. that is all i am saying scott
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:25:56 EDT From: WhoFooldU@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitarists Message-ID: <b3360b05.35e35615@aol.com>
Just to set the record straight on Janet Jackson's Black Cat, Nuno Bettencourt played on the remix version AND there was also a Vernon Reid version. So your both right....Get over it. Jesse Johnson recorded the LP version. now if it had been John Petrucci it would have been even more interesting.
As a side note, It was also the only son Janet worte all by herself on the 1814 album. She wanted to be metal, but just couldn't convince enough people.
And to those of you out there who have not checked into Nick Bogovich's "Fasten Your Seatbelts", It's an absolute must for your Dream Theater Collection and quite afffordable too.
Glenn
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:07:46 -0700 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mariah Carey Message-ID: <00ae01bdd08d$f19ce780$8aa4d6d0@multimedia>
>As a side note, It was also the only son Janet wrote all by herself on the >1814 album. She wanted to be metal, but just couldn't convince enough people.
Man, I always wished that Mariah Carey would do a heavy song. With her incredible range, she would make Midnight run for his money. ;) :)
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
"Hang on to the fever that burns inside of you. Don't look for lost treasure, won't find it here."
'This Time Around' --Dali's Dilemma-- Manifesto for Futurism Coming in October
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:19:02 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Why do people respond to Arash? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980825211902.00697510@mail.ee.net>
> Arash: > > Note: The people on the board are very very angry about Derek. > > OHMIGOD, that's a shame :) Wouldn't it be so nice if everyone just fit > into nice, neat little molds and behaved just like we wanted them to. > Maybe if the "people" on the board could get just a little more angry, > they can hunt Derek down and kick his ass till he answers the questions > the right way, damnit! :) > [...snip...] > The musical world doesn't revolve around a message board (THANKFULLY!!!)
I'm a participant in that message board. It is Perpetual Motion. The URL is http://www.mindcage.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html . Unfortunately, Arash has miscalculated the possibility that someone from that board might also read the jam.
It is a good board. Some of you may be surprised that Arash has quite decidedly misrepresented the reaction to his message on the board. Sure, he got a few responses from the knee jerkers and the DT-nonfans, but for the most part he got the same reaction from the board that he got here from Jon - paraphrasing here "who gives a crap. he's being honest. he's entitled to his opinions.", etc.
The board is a great place to find out info about lesser known prog metal bands, but is generally not too friendly to bands on major labels who modify their style to a more commercial nature. Arash was pandering to this tendency with his inflammatory post. I guess posting this kind of crap increases his raging hard-on for Empty Tremor and Royal Hunt. (Don't get me wrong, I have everything by both and think that they are very good, but I stop a little short of bowing down and worshipping them like our good frien Arash, nor do I get my jollies by repeatedly informing the world of my disappointment with FII and DT).
As far as my mostly rhetorical subject line...hasn't everyone yet learned that this guy is full of crap? Please ignore him so that he can go live in his isolated little prog or die world.
Returning to ultra-lurk mode now. Sorry for the interruption.
Joe jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:29:14 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Who's watching? Message-ID: <01bdd090$efa248a0$9a5099d1@default>
Does anyone know how many people are on this board?
Mike Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:01:51 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Why do people respond to Arash? - REPOST Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980825220151.00695484@mail.ee.net>
Wow. Ouch. I fouled up that post bad. Started it in Yahoo mail, cut it to textpad, and finished it in Eudora. I lost a whole paragraph and some edits along the way. (I originally incorrectly had Arash as the poster of the message). Here is the correct email which was still in textpad but had obviously not been copied to the clipboard before pasting into Eudora:
> > Arash: > > Note: The people on the board are very very angry about Derek. > > OHMIGOD, that's a shame :) Wouldn't it be so nice if everyone just fit > into nice, neat little molds and behaved just like we wanted them to. > Maybe if the "people" on the board could get just a little more angry, > they can hunt Derek down and kick his ass till he answers the questions > the right way, damnit! :) > [...snip...] > The musical world doesn't revolve around a message board (THANKFULLY!!!) > I'm a participant in that message board. It is Perpetual Motion. The URL is http://www.mindcage.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html Unfortunately, Arash has miscalculated the possibility that someone from that board might also read the jam.
It is a good board. It is a great place to find out info about lesser known prog metal bands, but is generally not too friendly to bands on major labels who modify their style to a more commercial nature. The message was posted by someone there who doesn't really care for DT's change in direction on FII. Truth be told, I don't either but this is sort of a beating a dead horse to me. Everyone has their own tastes, everyone has expressed those tastes regarding this album. Despite how much the board knows how certain people hate the album (Ralf Walter, especially) and how most people now despise even discussion about the album, the post was done as sort of a here's who we can point the finger at...here's proof that DT sold out...etc kind of thing. Total overkill and totally uninteresting to the majority of the board readers.
Some of you may be surprised that Arash has quite decidedly misrepresented the reaction to the message on the board with his "very very angry" assessment. Sure, it got a few responses from the knee jerkers and the DT-nonfans, but for the most part it got the same reaction from the board that he got here from Jon - paraphrasing here "who gives a crap. he's being honest. he's entitled to his opinions.", etc. Most of the reaction he got was non-reaction. Most of the board doesn't even care about this whole discussion. To describe us as "very very angry" is a load of crap.
I guess reposting this kind of crap on the jam increases his raging hard-on for Empty Tremor and Royal Hunt. (Don't get me wrong, I have everything by both and think that they are very good, but I stop a little short of bowing down and worshipping them like our good friend Arash, nor do I get my jollies by repeatedly informing the world of my disappointment with FII and DT). I mean does he also repost crap from RMAQ when I'm not reading, also? What is his purpose? Does he even have one? I'm confused, is he pro-DT and anti-FII? If so, why does he remained subscribed? Can anyone explain this mystery? Is he here just to advertise?
As far as my mostly rhetorical subject line...hasn't everyone yet learned that this guy is full of crap? Please ignore him so that he can go live in his isolated little prog or die world.
Returning to ultra-lurk mode now. Sorry for the interruption. (AND SORRY FOR THE FUCK UP on the message).
Joe jkruger@ee.net
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