YTSEJAM Digest 4228
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Time machine
by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
2) Ytse Shirt URL
by MentalHunk@aol.com
3) The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers
by MaxArbot@aol.com
4) Re: The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
5) Paul Gilbert's Hendirx Tribute
by RJEN@isma.co.uk
6) Re: click tracks... your right
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
7) Re: House of Lords
by drnewb@spiff.net
8) Extreme being a prog. band
by Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
9) Happy Birthday, Derek!!
by EricPMetze@aol.com
10) Re: various
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
11) Stick invented when?; 'jam unsubscribing
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
12) Crim History and The Philly Show
by "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com>
13) Re: Vai/LTE
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
14) Re: The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
15) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4224
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
16) New Dokken guitarist
by "Volodya" <dr.riffken@hol.fr>
17) Enchant's Break
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
18) Re: Fripp Shredding
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:33:53 +0200
From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Time machine
Message-ID: <35E2CB51.689EF33A@hm.telia.no>
Hello !
Peter Geerts wrote:
>=20
> I don't know if my previous message got through to the jam so again:
>=20
> Does anyone know a band named Time Machine (Italian I think). They have
> some sort of 'Galileo' album... Anybody know if this is worth checking
> out?
Here are what the Italian prog metal band Time Machine has released:
-Dungeons of the vatican
-Project; time scanning
-Act II: Gallileo
-Shades of time
Related titles:
-Eddy Antonini: When water became ice (with ex. Time Machine member)
-Arthur Falcone: Stargazer (with the singer of Time Machine)
-Mesmerize: Tales of wonder (with ex. Time Machine member)
I have the Act II: Gallileo cd and i think it`s rather good. At least
it`s definitely worth checking out if you are into melodic prog metal.=20
Bye,
Bj=F8rnar,
Norway !
NP: Magnitude 9: Chaos to control
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:41:48 EDT
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytse Shirt URL
Message-ID: <6e6a18e3.35e2cd2d@aol.com>
Here is the url for the ytse shirts :
http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel/ytsepage.htm
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:03:10 EDT
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers
Message-ID: <a4656ea1.35e2d22f@aol.com>
I have a friend who works in the sign making business, and he is able to make
stickers of (damn near) any size. I talked to him recently, and he said that
he could make me one. After he was finished, I was proud to put the
basketball-sized Ytsejam on the back of my car. Now no one will doubt I'm a
DT fan ;o)
I was thinking that since I know I'm definitely not the only DT fan in the
world, I could help share this cool idea. If I were to have my friend make
some, and I were to sell them over the 'net, or something, would that be
legal? Afterall, it is Dream Theater's logo. I wasn't sure if this would be
copyright infringement of some kind. Just wanted to fly that by you
guys/gals.
[eriC]
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html">THE DRE/\M THE/\TER</A>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:35:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980825112950.9757A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 MaxArbot@aol.com wrote:
>
> I was thinking that since I know I'm definitely not the only DT fan in the
> world, I could help share this cool idea. If I were to have my friend make
> some, and I were to sell them over the 'net, or something, would that be
> legal? Afterall, it is Dream Theater's logo. I wasn't sure if this would be
> copyright infringement of some kind. Just wanted to fly that by you
> guys/gals.
>
I doubt that the symbol is trademarked by Dream Theater,
especially since it's the letter "M" in specific font that's probably used
by others....
However, there might be a problem is you actually associate the
name "Dream Theater" with the symbol, since the name of the band is
licensed or something (don't know the legal-ese). But then again, people
are selling the Ytsejam T-shirts as well.
If you do a sticker with just the symbol, I don't think there's a
problem at all. Hell, if someone calls you on it, just say you were
selling it to people as a monogram for their cars, and that only people
whose first or last names began with the letter "m", or only for people
who had an "m" in their name. (both of which don't apply to me). Or for
people whose cars began with "m" or had an "m" in it. (damn, still doesn't
apply to me). awww, fuck it, I don't want a sticker anyway.
Just my convoluted look at things - the crack rocks this morning :)
-Al
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u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s
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HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:41:33 +0100
From: RJEN@isma.co.uk
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Paul Gilbert's Hendirx Tribute
Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F84326517@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Dushko Wrote:
I love tributes! How can someone not like for example, "Voodoo Chile"
cover of let' say - Paul Gilbert! ;-)
I typed :
Yeah, the that 5 track tribute album smokes. Also check out the
Jeffology tribute. That's got some pretty mean geetar.
As for Steve Vai participating, what about Jason Becker, Marty Friedman,
Vinnie Moore or the man they're on tour with now, the one and only Steve
Morse. The G3 suggestion a few jams ago had me salivating.
Cheers,
Rhys
NP: Carl Verheyen - Slingshot (wicked blues)
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: click tracks... your right
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980825114319.15863B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Michael Velders wrote:
> OK Yeah That's gotta be it! That makes total sense. I guess he uses a
> metronome to keep time and plays the basic track, then plays another
> track on top of that. Thanks!
>
Actually, if you have the Live in Tokyo video, during the part
where they're in the studio making I&W, you can here the click
track, especially (I think) in the part were John Myung is
putting down the bass track. At the end of the bass part, (the
short instrumental part after "i feel kindness, beauty, and
truuuuuu-uh-uhhhh-uh-uhhhh-uhhhhhhhhhhhst") you can here a click
track going along with KevMo's keys......
-Al
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b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m
u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s
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balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:46:13 -0500
From: drnewb@spiff.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: House of Lords
Message-ID: <199808251547.IAA18040@odin.ax.com>
> They're a Christian band? Since when? I have the first two albums and I
> don't see/hear anything that would make them an overtly Christian band.
> "Not that there's anything wrong with that." I always meant to get Demons
> Down, but never did. Now I'll have to hit the cut-out bins.
I'm not terribly familiar with House of Lords' music, but I do know
that Lanny Cordola (who, I believe, played guitar for them) played
on a few Christian metal albums (Shout, Magdalen), and released
some solo albums of his own that had a lot of instrumentals and
songs with lyrics (Electric Warrior/Acoustic Saint and Of Riffs and
Symphonies), all of which had some sort of Christian theme.
Dale R. Newberry
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:00:04 +0200
From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Extreme being a prog. band
Message-ID: <35E2DF84.19BD6271@mol.com.mk>
> From: Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Extreme's Cupid's Dead / Progressive or not Progressive
>
> And a question for all you people out there: Is Extreme concidered to be
> progressive? IMO, music should be concidered to be progressive if the music
> does something completely new with and old genre.
> [snip]
> Anyway, my point is that when Extreme first came with III Sides to
> Every Story, that album was (and still is) something so different
> from anything I had heard before that I would concider it to be
> progressive. What do you other people think about this? I really
> want to hear other people's opinions.
I think that Extreme jumps our quite alot from the metal/hard rock
cliche. They have alot time changes, odd breaks, very rich arrangements
etc. They have the best rockin' sound I heard nowadays!
I guess that makes them a prog. band in a way!
Dushko
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:21:44 EDT
From: EricPMetze@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Happy Birthday, Derek!!
Message-ID: <71177a0.35e2e499@aol.com>
Haaaaappy birrrrthday tooooo yooooooou,
haaaaappy birrrrthday tooooo yooooooou,
haaaaappy birrrrthday, Derek Sheriniaaaaaaaaan...
Haaaaaappy birrrrrrthday tooooooooooooo yooooooooou.
[eriC]
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:21:03 -0700
From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: various
Message-ID: <199808251637.MAA08303@CLEMSON.EDU>
>hope that's what you guys mean). Why not filter out the QP shite before it
>even enters the list BTW?
i suggested that a while back. maybe hearing it from someone famous will
get skadz to take note? :) moo.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:41:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Stick invented when?; 'jam unsubscribing
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980825123551.20275B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
The Cow God wants to know:
> the chapman stick existed back then? [1981] i thought it was a
> relatively new invention. moo.
Emmett Chapman built himself a prototype Stick in the late 60's, still
playing around with ideas at that point. Stick Enterprises was formed in
1974 to distribute the Stick.
Rogerio suggested something for the 'jam....
> * periodically, the list unsubscribes everybody, so only people
> really interested in the discussions keep on subscribing. This gets rid of
> people who are subscribed by "inertia", that is, people who are only
> subscribed because they're lazy to unsubscribe.
Yeah, but if this happened, those of us who promptly resubscribed would
have to sit through three days worth of "Is the 'jam working? I haven't
gotten one in xx days" messages. :) :)
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Tech Support Manager, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"I should never have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
Currently playing: Europe -- "Prisoners in Paradise"
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:47:26 +0000
From: "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Crim History and The Philly Show
Message-ID: <199808251648.JAA18948@odin.ax.com>
Syrinx almost had it right, but missed an era of KC.
The original lineup only played on the first album.
Then came a period where the band wasn't really a band. The next
three albums ("Wake of Posidon", "Islands", "Lizard") were by a
lineup that never really jelled. I don't remember off the top of my
head who was in it, but it never really succeed to anyone's
expectation. Probably the last albums you should pick up.
I second Syrinx's recommendation for the Philly PG, Mastermind, and
FK Show. I've seen the first two and they both put on a great show.
I'll be catching the FK when they come down here on 9/8.
Unfortunatly, I can't go to the Philly show being that it is in the
middle of the week and I'm starting a new job.
BTW, when Mastermind played at Powermad, they were sporting a new
female lead singer. She both sounds and looks great, so u guys are
in for a treat.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:02:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Vai/LTE
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980825125825.20989B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Carlos A. wants to know:
> Didnt mike himself state that the 2nd Liquid tension experiment could
> only have the same lineup as the first because that was what LTE was?
Yes, he did, at the Marietta drum clinic, when I asked him if LTE II might
include Jens Johannson and Billy Sheehan (the two musicians who'd
originally expressed interest in doing the LTE thing). Personally I'd love
to hear Jens on a project like this....but Mike says the LTE lineup is
solidified now and the next album will be the four of them again.
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Tech Support Manager, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"I should never have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
Currently playing: Europe -- "Prisoners in Paradise"
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:49:46 -0700
From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Legality of Ytsejam Stickers
Message-ID: <199808251706.NAA25518@CLEMSON.EDU>
>I have a friend who works in the sign making business, and he is able to make
>stickers of (damn near) any size. I talked to him recently, and he
really? i want one of those huge-ass decals to put on the side of a van,
with the Awake cover on it. That'd rock. :) And ACoS on the other side. And
a smaller WDATU on the back. Woo, a YtseVan. Rock.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:07:02 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4224
Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5E8D47B2@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
> I'm almost possitive that Neil Peart uses an electronic metronome of
> some sort in concert for some songs. Only a few that he
> probably has so
> many effects to accomplish in that he probably can't do it
> without it.
> This could be a Click Track or something similar, but as far
> as I know
> and from what Portnoy said in the clinic, a Click Track is something
> similar to an electronic Metronome, but more sophisticated.
Actually, a click track is PRECISELY that, just tailored to the song -
usually because there are sequenced samples, keyboards, or vocals that are
being used live. Rush does do this occasionally - such as Roll the Bones,
for example. Look for headphones on the drummer...
Magnus wrote...
> How's the first albums, "The Damnation Game" and "Symphony X", by
> Symphony X compared to TDWOT and TIO? Are they similar?
I like "Damnation Game", but I hate the singer on the first album. Since
Russ Allen is main reason I listen to the band, however, this may make me
biased.
It was good meeting everyone at Powermad - especially the irrepressible Dr.
Mosh, Rick "Dolby Labs" Audet, and the infamous Jessie. Now I have only a
few YtseIcons (tm) left to meet - including the Madsman himself. Maybe next
year...
BTW, a note to Coldfire - you weren't kidding about "Tyranny" being fabulous
(I seem to remember you mentioning this at some point... :) I was somewhat
of a fan of CIS, but being one of the lucky 20 or so to come back from
Powermad with a copy of this, I'm now hooked. Yay! They found the guitars
this time...
To anyone else: buy Shadow Gallery's "Tyranny" when it comes out. It's
wonderful stuff...
Mike
Division
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:24:48 +0200
From: "Volodya" <dr.riffken@hol.fr>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Dokken guitarist
Message-ID: <000301bdd04d$42e36560$55219ac3@default>
Hello everyone,
Just got to know the name of new Dokken guitarist. Reb Beach has replaced
John Norum and has already recorded 7 songs for the new album due to be
released in fall '98. The new material is mostly based on old Winger stuff
that didn't make the first record. You know what it means - Dokken are back
to their roots! (and even further:) )
Take care,
Volodya.
NP: Firehouse "good acoustics".
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:14:59 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchant's Break
Message-ID: <35E37DB3.19FE@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Here is some quick info about Enchant's new album "Break" :
The tracklisting :
Break (5:04) - King (4:33) - My Enemy (6:57) - Defenseless (4:54) - The Lizard (4:44)
Surrounded (4:18) - Silence (3:35) - In The Dark (5:49) - My Gavel Hand (5:03)
The Cross (6:53) LIMITED EDITION's BONUS TRACK: Once A Week (6:23)
You can download a sound clip "Silence" from the following site :
http://www.prog-metal.mypage.org
NP : Royal Hunt - Moving Target (now availible also in USA)
Arash
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:26:41 -0400
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fripp Shredding
Message-ID: <35E301E0.F8A86656@ic3.ithaca.edu>
>> But if you just wanna hear him shred, then get some King Crimson:)
>>
> Uh, I think "shred" is the wrong word. Fripp doesn't play like a Vai
would
> (which is why he was very impressed by the guitarist at G3. He can't
play
> like that because that isn't his style.) That isn't to say that his
stuff
> isn't complex. I just wouldn't call it "shredding".
>
Actually, about a month ago I saw ProjecKt II in Boston (Robert Fripp,
Trey Gunn and Adrian Belew) and Fripp was really shredding. I've been
an Yngwie fan for years, and speedwise, he blew Yngwie out of the
water. You should hear him jam. He does fingertapping and arpeggios
all over the place. He also plays in the style from the many different
KC eras (Thrak, LTiA, Discipline, ITCOFCK) but he's also an incredible
player in the style of say a Malmsteen or even an EVH. In my opinion,
Fripp IS the best. And that's a bold statement, because I'm not the
kind of person who "ranks" musicians because I think it makes you look
like an ignorant asshole, but Fripp is the man at the top.
~Chris
-- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools.- King Crimson
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