YTSEJAM Digest 4242
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ramblings from the Highway Star
by AL <al@isd.net>
2) DT merchandise
by Ibanez506@aol.com
3) DT/DP/ELP 8/28 ***spoilers***
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
4) One more highlight.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
5) Re: Dream Theater Screen Saver
by "Saxon" <hazex@jps.net>
6) Re: RATT on sunset
by "Saxon" <hazex@jps.net>
7) Re: Ratt
by drnewb@spiff.net
8) Re: More ramblings from the Highway Star.
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
9) joining the fan club
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) Empty Tremor Review
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
11) Re: CHiPs/Paul Gilbert
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
12) another Indonesian Jammer?
by Yessi Kristianto <yessi.kbd@himalkom-ipb.ml.org>
13) The CD sale continues
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:51:22 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Ramblings from the Highway Star
Message-ID: <35E9AD3A.664FA2E7@isd.net>
You want it. You got it! (Hey, that sounds like a Brian Adams album)
>>>Damon Fibraio wrote:
>>>Hey, Al, go ahead and post the negative DT reviews, just to give a
>>Umm... One word. NO
>>The last thing I want to do is inspire some Ytse-Retard to start
>>flaming DP or
>>DP's fans on the Highway Star. And for what, the opinion of a drug
>AL - I think what he meant was:
>"We've heard a lot of very positive about OFB from Highway Star. If
>there are bad reviews of OFB, share those with us so we may see
>for what reasons some people didn't like OFB's performance. From
>this, we may gain some insight into OFB's shortcomings. More likely
>thought, we may be able to determine for ourselves the caliber and
>intelligence of the person making the post."
>So far, I've found the positive reviews to be generally well-written. I'm
>curious to see if the crafty wordsmiths who write negative reviews of
>OFB yield such insightful messages like: "They sucked."
>And I'm sure Damon would agree.
>Apocalypse Cow
Here goes...
THE GOOD
Dream Theater came on and got a very good reception, they have played locally a
few times recently and I think they had a few fans here. They were, as has been
previously stated, technically perfect and I think an ideal aperatif for the mighty
Purple. Some of the instrumental sections were just so tight with the band playing as
one instrument. They were definitely worth getting in early to see. I did wonder
about the keyboard player though, he was dressed like a pimp and heck looked
kind of silly when facing the audience standing between the keyboards. The
drummer too seemed to be singlehandedly bringing back highlighted hair for men, he
spat a lot too, glad I wasn't in the front row!!
Musically they were awesome, they started off with New Millenium from the latest
album (Falling Into Infinity) with the bass player playing a chapman stick, probably
the first time I've seen this used in a hard rock setting. They played a few others
from FII which was good as that's the only one I've heard. "Peruvian Skies" was
excellent as was the ballad "Hollow Years" but the highlight for me was the
instrumental section near the end of the set, I don't know the name of the song
though.
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Dream Theater started promptly at 8:00pm and played a brief 45 minute set. I own
only one CD of theirs (which I bought for their cover version of Perfect Strangers),
so I didn't really know any of the music. I was however, very impressed with their
musicianship, especially guitarist John Petrucci.
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I got there late thanks to our local newspaper, who said the show started at 7:30,
when it started at 7. So, I only saw a few songs of Dream Theatre, but what I did
see was great. A good band with a great sound.
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DT played pretty well for about 50 minutes and though I am not a big fan of theirs
(at least, not as big as DP's) I enjoyed it immensely. Like many die hard Purple
fans, I've heard their Change of Seasons album (just to check out cover of Perfect
Strangers) but that's pretty well all about it. Now I think I'll get the rest of their
catalogue which means they did an excellent job promoting it. Towards the end of
the set, James LaBrie announced that they are really proud of playing on the same
bill with ELP and Deep Purple. Overall, their set was quite warmly received by both
DT fans and older folks who obviously came for ELP and DP.
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Dream Theater got things started with a solid 45 minute set. Loved the natch of
Pink Floyd's "Pigs (three different ones)" and Metallicas "Enter Sandman" during
"Peruvian Skies". To bad the sound was muddy. Can't wait for the triple live album
in october!
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Dream Theater was ok, I have heard some their stuff and I have always like John
Petrucci.
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Best part of Dream Theater's set was "Peruvian Skies" and I smiled happily at their
quotes of Pink Floyd and Metallica.
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Dream Theater were excellent, and had the crowd on their feet in 2 minutes flat.
THE BAD
Upon seating, we were pummeled by the over-amplified drums and bass of Dream
Theater. They played well, better than I'd expected, though they sure do pose a lot.
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I was not impressed with Dream Theater at all.
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Dream Theater opened early, so they were already playing when we got there at
7:00. The mix was not the best, with the bass overpowering much of the rest of the
band. I can't believe I said that. The audience seemed appreciative of their music.
DT did a quick 45 minute set, then left without an encore.
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DT sounds a bit too heavy for my current tastes yet I enjoyed some very good
prog moments of theirs. Noticeable are also their all-black, all-tight stage outfits.
They quoted Pink Floyd's "Have A Cigar" and a hit of Metallica in one song.
Obviously, I, for one, have to check a website of theirs, and to learn new names,
like Derek Sherinian, Mike Portnoy, James LaBrie (I'm sorry for any mistake here)
since the members weren't introduced and my VISA card was indulgent with just a
Tarkus T-shirt and no tour programme or other items for me this time. I think DT
played for about 50 minutes with no encore.
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Dream Theater - The band has musical talent, but my tastes just don't agree with
how they choose to use it. They're good and able musicians, and I'll just leave it at
that. Well, almost... I didn't care much for the Pink Floyd and Metallica riffs used in
the songs. I read my Abandon Tour program through most of the set.
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My wife Erin and I got seated about 20 minutes after seven, and sat down to
Dream Theatre's opening set. They were a bit too technical for me, and they don't
seem to fit in with ELP or Purple. They were boring and lacked stage prescence.
Maybe I'm a little too old, who knows. I at first thought they might have been some
local band filling the time before the concert. They could easily be dropped. The
music was technically proficient but lacked soul, and there seemed to be a lot of
"let's see how fast I can play" and "let's see how many different time signatures I can
play in" sections. It was during this time, a large fellow dropped a beer on my wife's
foot. Not a great start, somewhat reminds me of the Jethro Tull concert where the
guy next to me threw up on my feet.
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Never saw Dream Theatre-who cares. The night was obviously for DP.
THE UGLY
Dream Theater opened up at 7PM sharp. I found them a complete waste of time.
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Dream Theater was/were good...although they could be dropped and no one would
notice...thus freeing up more time for DP's set list.
THE END
OK, so it wasn't that bad... I was worried about stirring some Ytse-retaliation.
I think DT accomplished what they set out to do, acquire some new fans and
get some feedback from older fans of other bands.
I wonder if DT's CD sales increased during this tour? Assuming they could even
find the stuff on the shelf's. The question is: would they bother to special order some?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
Yeah the sigs getting old, but if you knew my 9 year old....
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:04:45 EDT From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT merchandise Message-ID: <60183d8a.35e9b05d@aol.com>>
here is an address for a catalog with some pretty cool DT stuff. You can order online or snail mail if you prefer. You can also get a free catalog mailed to you. www.infin1.com Later, Juli
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT/DP/ELP 8/28 ***spoilers*** Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980830125021.28063A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
OK, friends, since no one else has said anything about the amazing show on Friday, I take responsability for gushing. It was freekin' awesome!!!! I was least impressed with DT, simply because I've seen it all already. They were basicly there to showcase themselves and win over new fans. I understand this and enjoyed their set for what it was. James was, again, in absolutely wonderful form. It was great to hear him belt out all the high notes to an entire uncut version of Metropolis. JP has finally learned to shred on a classsical and sounded a lot like John Mclaughlin before busting into Hollow Years. I think he wanked a little too much for a ballad, but you couldn't hear him very well in the mix for PMU or PS or really anything. The mix was pretty bass heavy and lost most of the keys and guitar in the fray. You couldn't really make out most of JM's cool stuff either, but I guess shit happens. All in all, a very cool set, though cliche, and I hope they won over many fans. ELP was out of this world. If there were two keyboardists who I'd be able to choose for a band, it would be Jordan Rudas or Kieth Emerson. Derek, I hope you watched your colligues and stole all the info you could, not that you really need it, but we can always learn, right? Emerson played the last movement of a concerto he wrote which I now own because I loved it. It's funny, but because they were so extremely Progressive, I wish kind of, that I could have sat down for their set. You can't really head-bang to ELP and I think I would have enjoyed it just as much while sitting and basking in the wackiness of it all. They came out for an encore and continued to give awesome performances of some of their more eclectic and lesser-known stuff. Great old band who's still got it and fathered many progressive bands afterward. Deep Purple played my favorite set of the night. I couldn't believe Ian could still hit all those high notes. Very impressive. Also impressive were both his graciousness toward the audience and his level of amusement on stage. Steve Morse is my god and I don't know if I can say any more than that. They played most of their biggest hits from a while ago. High Way Star, Woman from Tokyo, and Smoke on the Water just for starters. They played a few new ones, too. Highlights: Girbie/M-bone/Matt Schnoor coming up to me before the show, grabbing my shoulders, and saying, "I got my stick!" Knowing he robably already had a penis, I was thinking for a while he meant a penis enlargement. When he said he'd let me play it, it finally dawned on me, bass player... stick... bass player... stick... Oh! Chattman! It was a funny moment for me. Matt, it was great to see you again, but sucky that we didn't get to hang out any more. You *have* to move to Cal, dude! :) Niel Evans girlfriend Nickole doing her damnedest to play a convincing roll as my guide dog for much of the night. She did a pretty good job except for some other really funny moments where I was glad we weren't jogging. :) Neil Evans Showing me how to master the tapping technique which he has always impressed me with. Thanks much, Neil! One day, we'll conquer the world by pick-up and string. Sharing yummy sandwich wafers and half-healthy hotdogs with Paul Humm, Neil Evans, and Nickole while listening to some awesome tunage.
We didn't stick around for autographs after the show because of the neighborhood and the time. Mike, I was gonna tell you to bust on down to Carmel and Go to Cibo's in Monterey to catch an awesome bass player, but alass. Good job to you, man. Derek, I know I wouldn't have seen you anyway being that you probably would have grabbed the fifty babe overflow from DP and ELP. James, you amazed me again. I know JP and JM probably aren't reading this, but great job too. JP should be wetting his pants being able to jam with Steve Morse whenever he wants. I would be. Coldfire, I was hoping we'd catch up to you afterward, but the word was you bailed really quick. It was good to see you for the brief time that I did. Rick, Lisa, John and Scott, rock on, dudes. Oh, and Charone, sorry, nice to meet you. Next time, the Calicrew has to do somehting afterward. It was awesome though. Wellness, all. Matt B
============================================================================ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Guitarist in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area of California seeks innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if interested. mattb@mbay.net ================================================================================= "With Man gone, will there be hope for Gorilla?... With Gorilla gone, will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin) "A dominatrix to the first degree, she'd rather die than set you free, hook line and sinker is what she wants, a nasty bitch she's no debutante." (Mike Portnoy?, Rising Power, Goddess of Pain and Pleasure)
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:13:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: One more highlight. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980830131246.30518A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Steve Morse and John lord trading eights, then fours, then twos, then ones, on down into quarternotes. I went so crazy head-banging, I think I pulled a muscle in my lwer back. That rocked my ass more than anything I've seen this year. Be well. Matt B
============================================================================ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Guitarist in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area of California seeks innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if interested. mattb@mbay.net ================================================================================= "With Man gone, will there be hope for Gorilla?... With Gorilla gone, will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin) "A dominatrix to the first degree, she'd rather die than set you free, hook line and sinker is what she wants, a nasty bitch she's no debutante." (Mike Portnoy?, Rising Power, Goddess of Pain and Pleasure)
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:01:08 -0700 From: "Saxon" <hazex@jps.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Dream Theater Screen Saver Message-ID: <003201bdd459$513be6e0$010000c0@p200>
Sorry, wasnt implying you thought he was crazy :) It works fine (the screensaver) but it does have a Preview of 5 times and then blamo, I guess it's gonna stop?! I dunno. . .
> >At 11:35 AM 29/08/98 -0700, HazeX wrote: >> >> >>It also installed fine for me. On the other hand it does say it's a preview >>version and I think I'm expired already. :( >>But, he's not crazy. :) > >no, I didnt say he was crazy but it surprised me that you guys had problems >with it, Im running mine without problems, I wonder if I could send my >files to you guys....I mean...the program that I used installed the >screensaver on my computer automatically, and then packed it into a zip >file..... > >are you able to install the program and set it up as a normal screensaver? >does it has sound? how do you know it expires? >let me know this so I can fix it up please >--- >MP3 of the week - "I Do" By Paul Gilbert (Japanesse extra track of "King of >Clubs", check the dry ending) >http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/ > >Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico >-------------------------------------------------------- >TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com >
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:04:33 -0700 From: "Saxon" <hazex@jps.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: RATT on sunset Message-ID: <004b01bdd459$cbb5a960$010000c0@p200>
Whoa, I haven't heard anything 'good' from RATT in a long time. Used to love those guys. . .then they went belly up or something. So what's the scoop on them anyways?
> > > First of all, DT will be at Guitar Center Hollywood in about > an hour. I can't make it though > > i saw RATT at the Keyclub last night on the Sunset strip and it > kickedass. ass. I think a lot of bands are "overly prog" and > should just stick to the straight up stuff. > > Pretty Boy Floyd opened up. Cross Poison with Crue and thats > what they are. They were pretty fun, straight out of the eighties > with make up and all. Try to catch them on the 'ROCK NEVER STOPS > TOUR'. I met the bassisst after and he was pretty cool. > > RATT kicked ass with all the classics and a couple new songs. > DeMartini is an awesome guitarist. I met Steven Pearcy and > Robbie Crane afterwords. Both were very cool guys. Crane > especially must be the nicest dude ever. He even invited the > three of us to hang out with them ata bar in the Hyatt but > we chickened out and didn't go. > > I saw the guitarist for Rage Against the M. at the show. The > women there were also amazing. Both in the club and afterwords > cruzing the strip. The blonde haired girl from "Pacific Blue" > walked right by me. she is very hot. Sunset is probably one of the > most materialistic places in America. But if you can see it > going off on a weekend night, I highly recommend doing so. quite > a sight to see. > > If you think you are too good for eighties glam rock, just go > and check out a show. YOU WILL HAVE A GOOD TIME. > > CINDERELLA in a month!! > > >-- >Conrad Chi >uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu > >
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:46:18 -0500 From: drnewb@spiff.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ratt Message-ID: <199808302242.PAA23709@odin.ax.com>
> I saw the guitarist for Rage Against the M. at the show. Oh man, I remember seeing Henry Rollins' spoken word performance, I guess last April, where he talked about going to see Ratt and running into the guitarist for Rage.
Dale R. Newberry
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: More ramblings from the Highway Star. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980830214448.7463A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Al, you are not gereatric, at least by my standards. That doesn't happen until 37. Maybe yo are right about the DT fan base and their quick degeneration into flame mode. I just thought it would be a nice thing to see some negative reviews, just to see what people didn't like about DT. If you could clip out the email addresses and post just to the text, then it might work.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: joining the fan club Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980830220544.7463B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I have been hesitant about joining the fan club partly due to lack of funds and partly due to the fact that the only useful thing in the fan club stuff would be the CD and I don't feel right about paying for a bunch of shit I can't use. Is there a way to just pay for the CDs each year?
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:11:32 -0400 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Empty Tremor Review Message-ID: <000901bdbc30$eba122e0$2b3dab98@rob>
Hey Jammers, After receiving Empty Tremor's Apocolokyntosis from CDNow a few days back, and listening through it about 3 times, I must say these guys are pretty cool. Yes, in several instances they sound like OFB, but at times they have their own sound. As with all their time changes and stuff, it sounds like they try to hard. As someone said before, they're young and have yet to find their own sound. Its a cool CD though and I'm glad I didnt cancel the order after that thing about A-rash. (sorry :) ) One gripe about the disc, does anyone else's copy have only one channel? My left channel is gone on the CD. Is there a problem with the disc or recording?
=A0=A0=A0-Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com ICQ# 15762800 bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:43:01 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CHiPs/Paul Gilbert Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980830224301.008d8100@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
At 09:16 AM 30/08/98 -0700, drnewb@spiff.net wrote: > >> Oh my God, CHiPs. :) You have an incredible memory bro. With Eric Estrada. >> Alan, any relations? :) :) I downloaded 'I do' by Paul Gilbert. Very cool >> man.
well, I may be uploading the new MP3 today, I liked "king of clubs" alot so I thought that some of you may like the extra track, Im glad you did....
well about the chips guy, uhm...I dont think there's any relation but I think he has latin origins too...and it's funny but my father's name is Erick Estrada (with a k)...but he is a photographer....
eric Estrada from chips is a shame for all the estradas around the world...last thing I heard of him is that he was doing a soup opera here in mexico called "dos mujeres un camino" pretty cheesy... --- MP3 of the week - "I Do" By Paul Gilbert (Japanesse extra track of "King of Clubs", check the dry ending) http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Yessi Kristianto <yessi.kbd@himalkom-ipb.ml.org> To: YTSEJAMMERS <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: another Indonesian Jammer? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980831132920.29462H-100000@himalkom-ipb.ml.org>
Hi, all, sorry for the NDTC (and sorry for lurking so long) but I just found out something: there's another Indonesian Jammer on the List! Whoever you are, mail me please!!!
================================= "Find all you need in your mind if you..." -Take the Time (live), Dream Theater ================================= -Yessi Kristianto Gospel, rock and pop keyboardist
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Date: 31 Aug 1998 12:45:15 +0200 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: bglist@rnl.ist.utl.pt, ytsejam@ax.com, savatage@tkl.com Subject: The CD sale continues Message-ID: <ubn28l77lw.fsf@cerebus.local.org>
Hi all,
Well I still have some CDs left for sale. I rather sell them to people in Europe since the cost to send one CD to America is $8!!! Anyway other deals can be worked out. Please mail me if you are interested in any of the following:
Abstrakt Algebra - Abstrakt Algebra Accept - Death Row Arch Rival - Third Degree Burns Axxis - Kingdom of the Night Battlefield - Spirit of Time Dickinson, Bruce - Tattooed Millionaire Dokken - Shadowlife Doro - Love Me in Black Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face The Gathering - Mandylion (Promo Cardsleeve) Killers - South American Assault - Live Lord Bane - Age of Elegance Loudness - On the Prowl Magellan - Impending Ascension Magnum - Wings of Heaven Masquerade - Surface of Pain Mind Odyssey - Keep it all Turning Mordred - In This Life Paradox - Product of Imagination Pretty Maids - Spooked Samiam - Capsized (Single) Sinner - Germany Rocks - The Best Of Skyclad - Irrational Anthems (Promo) Slayer - Divine Intervention Soul Cages - Soul Cages (CDR) Stormwitch - Priest of Evil (CDR) Tiamat - The Astral Sleep Tiamat - Clouds Tiamat - The Sleeping Beauty - Live in Israel Tiamat - Wildhoney Viper Brazil - Evolution (Promo) Viper Brazil - Live: Maniacs in Japan Visionary - Visionary Widowmaker - Blood and Bullets Widowmaker - Stand by for Pain
Jason
P.S. If you had mailed me before and didn't get any reply please try again. I was having some mail problems, thanks.
-- Jason T. Breitweg Jason.Breitweg@desy.de http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg ICQ# 7495933
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