YTSEJAM Digest 4472
Today's Topics:
1) Re: CRC error stuff...
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
2) Jaxx
by MusicSnob@aol.com
3) Typical electric guitar vibrato.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
4) Portnoy Long Island Clinic!
by AnalogGal@aol.com
5) MP3s; Clinic
by James Lutz <ytsejim@optonline.net>
6) JUGhandles :)
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4469
by Tobias Eidem <e96_tei@e.kth.se>
8) news both good and bad (NDTC)
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
9) Re: 90's Guitarists?
by AEllis1222@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4470
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
11) Suck my birthday.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) Eugene's Trickbag
by djhutch@siu.edu
13) Re: Drum Corps
by MFishook@aol.com
14) Re: YTSE
by AyameYuki@aol.com
15) Switching to individual mailings.
by James Pepe <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
16) 90s guitarists
by Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca>
17) Re: Jaxx
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
18) Re: DT drum corps
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4471
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
20) re: blind guardian
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:30:21 -0500
From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, dmc@dreamt.org
Subject: Re: CRC error stuff...
Message-ID: <4.1.19981202171842.00a52c70@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
The Most Honored Bovine said:
>also, i'm curious - what's CRC, exatcly? i know when you're extracting
>a compressed file it has CRC checks (i asume to verify that the extracted
>file matches the original) and i also assume that this is extended to cd
>reading. info? moo.
CRC stands for Cyclical Redundancy Check. It was originally developed to
detect errors in computer network traffic. There are several flavors, but
the most used is CRC-32 (32bit checking) which detects errors with so close
to 100% accuracy that it doesn't matter. Even CRC-8 has 99.969% accuracy.
CRC takes a binary stream (from a file, network packet, etc) and divides
the sum total of the 1's and 0's (binary digits) by a predefined number.
AFAIK this number is arbitrary but both sides (in a network environment)
must decide on the same number. If the file/packet/etc comes out with the
expected quotient and remainder the file/packet is assumed to be correct.
Otherwise either a retransmission is requested (for a network packet) or
the file is labled as corrupt (for a file/archive). ZIP/ARJ/RAR/etc all
put a CRC mark for each file in the archive when they're first zipped.
When you unzip a file the archiver checks to make sure the CRC mark in the
archive matches the actual decompressed file.
You can have Winzip display the CRC numbers for each file in an archive
with a checkbox in the Options menu. It just looks like a hexidecimal
number...
Man, I can't believe I remember all this stuff from my networking
classes... Hope that made sense, and you can assume that at least 50% of
it is correct. :)
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:58:01 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Jaxx
Message-ID: <2f17bae.3665c5f9@aol.com>
Steve Z, in my opinion, was a bit harsh on good old Jaxx. I prefer to term
them
"optimistic." As evidenced by my ticket for the recent King's X show that had
"fates warning/king's x" printed on it. I applaud Jaxx for being the only
quality venue around these parts. Sure, they can be idiots at times, but I
would rather have life with 'em than without 'em.
Kevin Madden
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:54:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Typical electric guitar vibrato.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981202155010.30894A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Greetings,
OK, I have a question for the guitarists. I've been trying to
achieve the wide vibrato used by Ynwie, Vai, JP, and others and I've been
having little success. I even did that crazy Vai suggestion of playing
one note for an hour andjust trying different vibrato techniques on it.
Sometimes I can get it to work on the third string, but on most other
strings I fret out or lose the sound completely. I need halp. Specifics,
if you please, like, does it come from the wrist? Is there a certain
pressing the string into the neck as well as across it? I'd be very
grateful for tips. Be well.
Matt B
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:04:34 EST
From: AnalogGal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Portnoy Long Island Clinic!
Message-ID: <f51c86b4.3665d592@aol.com>
Hey there! Hi there! Ho there!
Just wanted to tell everyone that last night's clinic out on Long Island, New
York was FANTASTIC. Mike was his usual talented self, and was as personable
and talkative as always. Big surprise, right? He talked about the upcoming
holiday shows and even mentioned a possible LTE tour.
For those of you who were there, I was one of the photographers that Mike
"chastised" for talking while he was on. Thanks for making me blush, Mike!
:) What a character!!
Christina
dereksherinian.com
NP: EVENT "Electric Skies"
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:05:45 -0500
From: James Lutz <ytsejim@optonline.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: MP3s; Clinic
Message-ID: <3665D5D9.E8BA262D@optonline.net>
> Subject: TAMP Demo and Raise The Knife - available as MP3?
> Are the above files available on the Net?
They sure are...visit my site, you'll find some rare DT stuff.
but i must tell you, Raise The Knife is without vocals...
actually, I have not seen a version with vocals ever!
Does anyone have it?
YtseJim's MP3s
http://167.206.57.177/
Portnoy clinic was awesome! Acid Rain from the new LTE album
was a major treat. And D-man, what do you mean 'Where did I go?'
> Next time you or anyone else has vital information like this, please
> email it to me privately... You will be doing your fellow 'Jammers a
> favour (not me).
Itchy, Didn't he do all the jammers a favor by posting to the list?
since all 'jammers' subscribe to the 'ytsejam' they did get this vital
information right in their Inbox, no? and since you read the jam, you
had
access to this info. Just because someone isn't spoon feeding you, is
no reason to get upset....
~YtseJim
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:09:25 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: JUGhandles :)
Message-ID: <199812030009.TAA28326@maila.wm.edu>
>Pan handles are straight, which wouldn't make sense. Jug handles
>are circular in shape, and more resemble these wonderful feats of
>traffic engineering....
Whoopsie, my bad! Thanks for clarifying. Just goes to show you how often
I see any of central/southern Jersey.... :) What a state.
I have absolutely no salvaging DTC.
Um, is anyone going to either the Irving Plaza or Birch Hill shows? I am
not going to both, much as I might like to, but one or the other. I have
to coordinate with some people, hopefully SOON, and I can be more specific.
It'd be cool to meet up with some folks...
jam on,
Alex
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:47:07 +0100
From: Tobias Eidem <e96_tei@e.kth.se>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4469
Message-ID: <199812021247.NAA09566@grieg.e.kth.se>
Hi!
Does anybody here know about some sites with prog on mp3, for example spocks
beard, magellan and stuff like that?
I'd also like to recommend a few CDs you really should check out: In the court
of the crimson king by king crimson, trick of the tail by genesis, going for
the one by yes and UK by UK.
For some nice proggy playing on jazzrecords, listen to most Allan Holdsworth
records, like "secrets", or maybe Chick Corea Elektric Band, which is one of
the baddest bands around when it comes to chops.
Tobias
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:45:22 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: news both good and bad (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199812030045.QAA02015@f159.hotmail.com>
the bad news first......if George Lucas changes the release date of the
phantom menace, episodes 2 and 3 may never be made, 'cuz I'm gonna have
to hunt him down......
that being said, lemme just invite you all to join me at the movie
theaters on my 24th birthday, May 21st, 1999, to see what is gonna be
the most hyped, most ridiculously incredible movie event of out lives,
the opening of Star Wars, Episode I: The Phantom Menace!
finally! my birthday is gonna be known for something more important than
being on the same day that (in reverse chronological order) the
scorpions released Pure Instinct, Rajiv Gandhi got shot, and the day
that Mr. T was born! :)
partha
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:07:36 EST
From: AEllis1222@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: 90's Guitarists?
Message-ID: <b118ffe0.3665e458@aol.com>
<< Who/where are the major shredders from the 90's? >>
first and foremost, my man Joe Stump (Leviathan). He takes what Yngwie used
to do, and elevates it to a whole new level. There's also George Bellas
(Shrapnel), on his second cd, he breaks some new ground with the first New Age
sounding shred record. Another good one is Rob Johnson, who sounds like a
cross between Yngwie and Steve Vai. And last but not least, a great
Brazillian shredder named Marcos V. DeRos. His discs are all released on
small labels in South America, but his stuff is worth tracking down.
~~Art
webmiester www.joestump.com
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:11:39 -0600
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4470
Message-ID: <3665E54A.CFAAF28F@uiuc.edu>
Joe Bissonnette wrote:
Would you care to elaborate on this a bit? Here's how I understand this:
> Digital audio is 1's and 0's, either the signal is there or it isn't, there
> aren't degrees of signal quality. You're using data transfer (ie the same
> mechanism by which CD-ROMs run). You simply cannot be losing bits during
> such a transfer (else how would a cd-rom program run? Having random bits
> removed from an executable program would probably be bad), and if you still
> have all the bits exactly the same as they were on the original CD how can
> you have lost any sound quality? Granted if you get enough interference I
> suppose it could shut your computer down altogether, but in a normal
> environment I fail to see... In order for their to be ANY loss in sound
> quality bits must be getting lost somewhere, and I don't see where that
> happens. I don't claim to be an expert on these matters, but I really
> don't understand some of the arguments that are being made. Feel free to
> enlighten me.
>
> Biz
Well, the chips in the cd drive still have to "interpret" whether there is a 1
or 0 and errors can occur during the interpretation depending on how fast and
how good your cd drive is. The faster the drive, the more errors that are
likely to occur. The more precise your "interpreter" is, the less errors. I
could get into random noise and stuff, but this would prolly confuse everyone.
there are checksum bits in case the laser doesnt read the right data, which for
audio cds, can possibly recreate the missing bits. if it can, you dont notice
it, but if it cant, that's when you hear the skipping. Now, i'm not agreeing
or disagreeing with the previous accusations about HAM radios, but i dont
really understand how this is possible. Your PC case will determine this. If
you have a good PC case, it is shielded from outside interference. to check
this, use a cordless phone (not 900MHz) and if you get a lot of static when you
are near your computer (with the monitor off), then your case is susceptable to
RF noise.
As far as audio extraction is, you are using the Data channel on your cd drive
and more software you can set your cd drive for fast audio extraction (lesser
sound quality) or slower audio extraction (better sound quality and error
correction). I personally use the slower setting on my 36x drive if i'm
ripping to the HD. otherwise, i do CD to CD copies and the reader drive
matches the write speed. well, hopefully some of this info is accurate.
later.
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:17:21 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Suck my birthday.
Message-ID: <003801be1e5a$b4327c50$350d84d0@korgx3>
>scorpions released Pure Instinct, Rajiv Gandhi got shot, and the day
>that Mr. T was born! :)
Oh, yah, Partha? On my birthday, Hulk Hogan won the WWF Heavyweight title
for the first time. :) From that Iron Sheik bastard if I remember
correctly... Lesse... MacGyver (Richard Dean Anderson) and I share the
same birthday (I know, big whoop), and.. oh, yah, it's the day before John
Myung's birthday. :) What are the chances of that happening twice? :)
And in the year I was born, 2112 was released, so there! :)
-- KorgX3 notices a slight bit of DTC up there...------------------------------
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:25:28 -0600 From: djhutch@siu.edu To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Eugene's Trickbag Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981202192528.00797bc0@saluki-mail.siu.edu>
I believe the Turkish March that was mentioned was written by Mozart. I'm not 100% positive, but im pretty sure. "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist after he grows up." --Pablo Picasso
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:57:57 EST From: MFishook@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Drum Corps Message-ID: <10b7b093.3665f025@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-12-02 14:21:29 EST, you write:
<< I think Metropolis or ACOS would be perfect for the little drum corps out of Rockford, Il I just happened to be marching with this summer. It's nice to see other marching percussion people in the jam! >>
Little Drum Corps? Meaning Phantom? I would'nt call them little...."its like taking a bath in chocolate" (name that quote)
Out of lurk to talk Drum Corps....hehehe Matt Boston Crusaders DL 95-97 EVENT - www.mysticfishook.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:04:23 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSE Message-ID: <23a26402.3665f1a7@aol.com>
i think that yellow testicle south african elephant thing is a bit OFF. lol....its sickening. but what's the REAL meaning ? Youre Too Stupid to Erase this issue ?
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:43:29 -0500 (EST) From: James Pepe <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Switching to individual mailings. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981202214234.11240C-100000@typhoon.lightning.net>
Is there a way to switch this list to individual emails instead of a digest? I forget where I even signed up foor this one (DT Website, I'd presume) Ok.. thanks =)
Forgive my ignorance, jim
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:30:59 -0500 From: Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 90s guitarists Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981202213059.006d1cbc@magma.ca>
>How about the 90's? Is John Petrucci the only one? Jerry Cantrell?=20 >Micheal Romeo (Does he count?, He doesn't even have a domestic (US) >record deal.), Dimebag Darryl?=20
Joe Stump, Shawn Lane, Michael Angelo, Jason Becker (late 80's is more li= ke it), Greg Howe, Michael Lee Firkins, Tony McAlpine, Ron Thal, Joe Satrain and Zakk Wylde to name just a few.
Mike
"Counting on nothing, the numbers get higher Blinded by reason, you=92re asleep at the wheel."
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:45:45 -0500 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Jaxx Message-ID: <037201be1e6f$69422be0$7719efce@Kez>
The MusicSnob himself, or someone else maybe, typed:
>Steve Z, in my opinion, was a bit harsh on good old Jaxx. I prefer to term >them >"optimistic." As evidenced by my ticket for the recent King's X show that had >"fates warning/king's x" printed on it. I applaud Jaxx for being the only >quality venue around these parts. Sure, they can be idiots at times, but I >would rather have life with 'em than without 'em. > >Kevin Madden >
Yea, old Jay is VERY optimistic, and we knew it probably wasn't gonna happen, but tell the truth; you got your hopes up a little didn't you? I'm damn dissapointed again. :(
So, Mr. Port........err........Mike, it's not THAT far to hop down to VA again, is it? Pretty please?
<beg mode off> Kez
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:20:48 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT drum corps Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981203042048.011c2490@earthlink.net>
At 12:53 AM 12/2/98 -0800, you wrote: > I think Metropolis or ACOS would be perfect for the little drum corps out of >Rockford, Il I just happened to be marching with this summer.
One of my old band directors does, or did (think he still does), marching instruction for Phantom. Man by the name of Monte Mast. Name ring a bell? Sorry for no DTC.
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:03:54 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4471 Message-ID: <003201be1e7a$540f8820$62809c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
>The Crossroads endpiece is NOT Paganini >It is based on a Turkish March by a composer I cant remember. > >Watch the credits at the end of the film and see for yourself. > >This was discussed at the beginning of September on the jam if you >want to look it up.
IT DOESN'T MATTER what the credits say. The person may well have gotten the idea from Liszt or Brahms, or any ridiculous NUMBER of other great composers. The music is a variation on a theme by Paganini. I ASSURE YOU, he created the melody. We don't attribute tunes like "Prisoner of your love" by Yngwie Malmsteen to their original composers either, but that doesn't mean Yngwie created that melody. There may be a mix between the Paganini theme and some other piece on the Crossroads solo, but the better chunk of it IS CLEARLY a Paganini Caprice theme. I'd bet my life on it.
>From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> >So with all this talk about top guitarists (old and new), who are the >top rock shredders from the 90's? The decade is almost over, and it >seems like a bad decade for rock/metal guitarists. (Maybe just a bad >decade for rock in general...)
>]From the 70's: Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Ritchie Blackmore, >Micheal Schenker, Ronnie Montrose, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Eddie Van Halen, >etc.
What about Al DiMeola? What about Steve Morse? What about John Friggin' McLaughlin? Throw me a friggin bone here people! :)
>]From the 80's: Randy Rhoads, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Vinnie >Moore, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, Jake E. Lee, etc.
What about Marty Friedman? What about Jason Becker? :)
>How about the 90's? Is John Petrucci the only one? Jerry Cantrell? >Micheal Romeo (Does he count?, He doesn't even have a domestic (US) >record deal.), Dimebag Darryl?
Dime, JP, yeah, they've had a huge impact. So has Friedman, still. I think the most amazing player to come out and revolutionize the instrument this decade (and I've been playing guitar all throughout this decade... I can't believe that's true!) is Ron Thal.
>Hey Clark! No offense man, you and Mads were always highly entertaining. ;) Good >to see you back.
Fuck Clark. I was the amusing one. :) J/K... Yeah... I've been taking the "Practicing my ass off" method too lately. I'm actually thinking about skinning my ass and wearing it as a party hat. Anyone want the scraps, mail me at chunksofmads'sass@prognosis.com
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:09:55 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: blind guardian Message-ID: <19981203050956.20349.qmail@hotmail.com>
blind guardian is the band most commonly associate with tolken.. they write much of their material directly out of his works.. not dark metal at all though.. sorry.. it's power metal; a lot like stratovarious and such...awesome band though, one of my favorates.. check em out, you won't be dissapointed.
>ay yeah.. awhile back someone wrote about a dark metal band or some >crap.. and they said somethin about j.r.r. tolkien i think i dunno >but umm.. yeah could someone tell me the number of digest that was >or could the author email me about it cuz i wanna try some dark, >heavy stuff...ok thanks.. hopefully that made enough sense to >elicit a response.. thanks party peopleCody
>[A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train >stops. On my desk I have a work station...]
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