YTSEJAM Digest 4473
Today's Topics:
1) re:
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
2) The Crossroads debate
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
3) Re: Opeth
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
4) Time keeps on slippin'
by AL <al@isd.net>
5) Vai-Cross Roads *NDTC*
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
6) re. drum corp
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
7) Re: Drum Corps (NDTC)
by Paul Fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
8) Re: Drum Corps (NDTC)
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
9) Rush on TV...
by Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
10) Here we go...
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) GEORGE. BELLAS.
by Uroborosss@aol.com
12) Re: Typical electric guitar vibrato.
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
13) MORE. GEORGE. BELLAS.
by Uroborosss@aol.com
14) RE Spock's Beard boner track
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
15) The Secrets of Ytse: Revealed! Next on FOX.
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
16) Re: YTSE
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) Shortenings, Portnoy Clinic, Fan Club
by Uroborosss@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:11:28 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re:
Message-ID: <19981203051129.12833.qmail@hotmail.com>
try opeth.. i personally can't stand their vocals but you might like
them, and they're awesome musicians.. there's this other band called
DREAM THEATER that has a lot of jazzy overtones :)
>I was just reading through some of the posts regarding this thread,
>and the discussion of Cynic and similar bands fascinated me. I think
>it was Younis who brought up Cynic....do you think you could name >some
other good bands in that jazz/metal genre that you would >recommend
trying out?Eric
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:31:55 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Crossroads debate
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981203053155.011ada28@earthlink.net>
Ok regardless of the original origins of the piece The IMDB and a Roger
Ebert review I dug out both credit Ry Cooder with writing the music
including the ending piece. Ebert's comments:
"A word about the music. Ry Cooder did most of the soundtrack, *drawing from
many blues sources*, and the movie is wonderful to listen to: confident and
sly and not all tricked up for Hollywood. The closing scene, the dueling
guitars, presents a challenge that perhaps no film composer could quite
solve (what's the right approach to music as a weapon?), but somehow Cooder
actually does pull off the final showdown."
Anything in ** is my addition.
I know Ebert is no music expert but he has an inside track on Hollywood
development and he would NOT miscredit a piece of music from a film. It
seems as if the Ending Theme to Crossroads is a melding of many different
themes and inspirations.
BrAd PlUmB
Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in
Houston and you like anime check us out!
NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but
they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:31:13 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Opeth
Message-ID: <007401be1e7e$2e5fdea0$326716cb@graham>
>try opeth.. i personally can't stand their vocals but you might like
>them, and they're awesome musicians.. there's this other band called
>DREAM THEATER that has a lot of jazzy overtones :)
Yeah I didn't like the vocals at all at first, but after a while the music
sucks
you in and the vocals don't seem to matter :)
The guy can sing 'clean' when the song calls for it, the 'cooky monster'
vocals
ain't as bad as, say Barney Greenway from Napalm Death.
GaZ
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:08:08 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Time keeps on slippin'
Message-ID: <36662AC8.EAB90CBB@isd.net>
Bafu Vai wrote:
>Snickers: stop satisfying ;P
>Time: stop slippin' slippin' slippin' ;P
That one damn near gave me a flashback! Nice hat tip to Steve Miller
NP: Listening to some Nirvana wanna be band on Leno.
I think I'm gonna blow chunks.
-- AL... The Ytse-ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm gonna pee like a beagle On the floor Pee like a beagle cuz I can't get in the door I'm gonna pee like a beagle And be free Pee like a beagle before my bladder takes care of me...
Damn pay toilets.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:36:11 EST From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Vai-Cross Roads *NDTC* Message-ID: <5a1db4d9.3666315b@aol.com>
<< Can PLEASE someone say if the Vai stuff from "Crossrodas" can be found on some kind of release??? >>
Hey Cyberduke:
An insider to the Vai group answers your question: <<It has previously been available only as a 7" flexi-disc record that was an insert in a 1986 Guitar Player magazine, however Steve has a box set coming out next year that will include all of that music and even more that you never heard in the film edit.>>
Lots of good info at Vai.com too.
Laters, _____Nikki_____________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live --J. Myung~~
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re. drum corp Message-ID: <19981203063928.5717.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
>Little Drum Corps? Meaning Phantom? I would'nt call >them little...."its like >taking a bath in chocolate" (name that quote)
Isn't that from the year that the cavies won the dci championship. It was when the guy announcing the show described the Phantoms set.
== John
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:45:56 -0500 From: Paul Fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Drum Corps (NDTC) Message-ID: <35D3CF14.E41B42B1@bellsouth.net>
Phantom is certainly not a little old drum corps, I was just messing around. We should do really good this year, alot of vets returning. I sure would like to have a DCI World Championship ring.......I don't know a Monte Mast, sorry, he might be there, though, I only know the drum guys.
Paul
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 00:56:19 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Drum Corps (NDTC) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981203065619.011c94e0@earthlink.net>
At 10:52 PM 12/2/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Phantom is certainly not a little old drum corps, I was just messing around. We >should do really good this year, alot of vets returning. I sure would like to have a >DCI World Championship ring.......I don't know a Monte Mast, sorry, he might be >there, though, I only know the drum guys. > >Paul
He may not be there anymore. If he is he's a marching instructor only. Works on marching fundamentals I believe. Ah well. He's a semi balding blond haired beer bellied guy with a goatee. Ah well.. sorry for no DTC again. BTW glad to see I wasn't the only drum liner here... though I always got thrown in the pit cuz I couldn't march. but hey that's cool I enjoyed gettin all the xylophone parts.
BrAd PlUmB Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in Houston and you like anime check us out! NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/ "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:51:08 -0500 From: Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Rush on TV... Message-ID: <4.1.19981203014700.00a35680@pluto.he.net>
KorgX3 wrote:
>And in the year I was born, 2112 was released, so there! :)
Speaking of 2112, there was a decent Rush reference on Conan O'Brien tonight. It was a repeat episode in which Conan honors Cal Ripken, Jr. for his streak of 2112 consecutive games. (At this point, I was thinking, "heh heh, he said 2112" a la Beavis & Butthead <g>.) Conan said, in order to honor Ripken, he would play part of the 70s rock CD 2112 by Rush. He held up the CD (the remaster in fact) and a couple of seconds of "Something for Nothing" came on. Then Conan learned that Ripken in fact had played 2632 games. Max Weinberg pointed out that *he* released an album in the 70s called 2632 <g>. Conan decided to SKIP listening to that one :)
OK, so it was funnier when Conan did it... <g>
Ryan
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:23:51 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Here we go... Message-ID: <36663C87.801A01FE@isd.net>
Joe Bissonnette wrote: >Would you care to elaborate on this a bit? Here's how I understand this: >Digital audio is 1's and 0's, either the signal is there or it isn't, there >aren't degrees of signal quality. You're using data transfer (ie the same >mechanism by which CD-ROMs run). You simply cannot be losing bits during Snip> >you have lost any sound quality? Granted if you get enough interference I >suppose it could shut your computer down altogether, but in a normal >environment I fail to see... In order for their to be ANY loss in sound Snip >don't understand some of the arguments that are being made. Feel free to >enlighten me.
Data is not transferred bit-by-bit from the source device to the recording device, it's done in chunks. If these buffering devices get wigged-out because of RFI, the chunks can get scrambled or lost completely. This can and DOES happen, and the results vary.
RFI (radio frequency interference) has been a problem plaguing both audiophiles & Ham operators for decades. (Hams usually being the equivalent of Satan in the eyes of some old lady trying to watch TV) High-end audio equipment manufacturers go to great lengths to isolate their products from the problems caused by RFI. It's not just hams that generate RFI, many household electronic & electrical devices give of RF. Computers for starters, CB radios, microwave ovens, gas appliances using electronic ignitions, cordless phones, televisions, radios, waterbed heaters, electric blankets & heating pads, sump pumps, car ignitions, lawn care and snow removal small engine ignitions, power tools, electric shavers, heat tape (or any other high current electric device using a thermostat) wireless alarms, fluorescent /sodium & mercury vapor light fixtures, doorbell transformers, aquarium pumps & heaters, several types of electric motors used in many home devices, electronic humidifiers, electronic air purifiers and garage door transmitters. Whew! Most of these devices operate quietly and never cause a problem, But I have had first hand experience with RFI from all of these devices, usually from a customer having receiver noise on a two-way radio or noise being picked up by a stereo system. Tracking these down can be a real challenge, believe me. Many things give off RF, Hams just spoon out a bigger helping.
Being a entry level audiophile, a amateur radio operator and a electronics technician by trade, I've seen all sides of this issue, and it's ugly!
Oh, by the way... We were originally talking about using a home CD player as a playback device, not a computer.
Pssstt... The home computer is NOT the Holy Grail of the digital domain.
-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:54:33 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: GEORGE. BELLAS. Message-ID: <3ff8bccf.366643b9@aol.com>
> From: AEllis1222@aol.com > Subject: re: George Bellas > > Bummer! You bought the wrong CD! "Turn" is not a good CD.
Are you kidding? Is it the compositions or the sounds themselves that make "Turn" not a good cd? The production on Bellas' albums is almost exactly the same. Even some of the swooshing wind-effects from "Mind Over Matter" are taken directly from "Turn Of The Millenium." If someone didn't like "Turn" because of the production, they're up shred creek without a pick, because "Mind" isn't much different. But compositionally, yes, "Mind" is definitely a notch above "Turn."
As for me, I love 'em both. I consider them parts 1 and 2 of a single long release. The major thing separating the two albums (for my ears at least) is the "Orchestral Suite" at the end of "Mind" which is very long and complex, and a step into the classical end of the neoclassical shred found on "Turn." And Bellas actually has some 1- and 2-minute songs on "Mind." And he plays SLOWLY on some of the songs. Which is about as big a shock to my system as throwing someone at the peak of a cocaine-high into a pool of angry, flapping, pecking chickens. I can only tolerate that slow stuff for so long.
> George made a major leap with his next one "Mind Over Matter". Its a major > improvement. Better songs, more guitar synths. Man, just plain better. Give it > a try before you give up on George.
I agree here, the songs are better and there's a wider variety of instruments. Make no mistake, on either album Bellas is an absolute monster. > ~~Art > > www.joestump.com
George Bellas and Joe Stump... yeah... (begin cocaine-high HERE)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:06:30 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Typical electric guitar vibrato. Message-ID: <36664686.E08ACBF9@imap1.asu.edu>
Stephen Dedalus asked for wisdom:
> Greetings, > OK, I have a question for the guitarists. I've been trying to > achieve the wide vibrato used by Ynwie, Vai, JP, and others and I've been > having little success. I even did that crazy Vai suggestion of playing > one note for an hour andjust trying different vibrato techniques on it. > Sometimes I can get it to work on the third string, but on most other > strings I fret out or lose the sound completely. I need halp. Specifics, > if you please, like, does it come from the wrist? Is there a certain > pressing the string into the neck as well as across it? I'd be very > grateful for tips. Be well.
LoPro tremelo you seek! YESSS! Wang bar power addiction must you achieve, to create Vaiesque vibrato you must!
In all actuallity, vitality and procreativitality, that damn tremelo system that Vai helped create is prolly the greatest gift to vibrato and whammy since the floating trem system. So if you're trying to get that "Vai" vibrato on say...a Les Paul, you're out of luck. You can try by REEEEEEALLY strengthening your fingers (injecting steroids on a daily basis with a glass of milk and a pinch of Dr. Mosh's fine homegrown California grade crack every night before going to bed). I haven't played on scalloped frets yet, but I hear that has something to do with better sustain and vibrato, definitely worth checking out.
So, in conclusion, to achieve the wacky vibrato of the gods...BUY A JEM. Or do the practical thing and PRACTICE! :^)
~Eckie Wan Karaoke
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:14:31 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: MORE. GEORGE. BELLAS. Message-ID: <3f587e4.36664867@aol.com>
> Greetings, > I just recently got ahold of George Bellas' Turn of the Melenium. > Though I enjoy Yngwie, I thought he had mastered the art of tasteless > shred. I was wrong. Bellas can out-play Yngwie in terms of technique, > and he does it every note of the CD. It's utterly BORING!!!!!!!!!
Do you ever find yourself focusing on the rhythm guitar or drums when the lead instrument never stops? Try un-focusing on the guitar, try putting Bellas' shredding in the background as the basis of the song and listening to the bass and drums as the lead instruments. It almost works. ;)
What I like to do is put my portable cd player in one corner of my room with a Bellas disc blasting out, then I toss a Malmsteen cassette into my tape deck and put that in the opposite corner of the room, also at high volume. Helps me relax. Makes me feel like Bellas and Malmsteen are right there shredding each other's asses off as I study Hegel's parallel theories of self-consciousness and master-slave relationships...
>Yes, it's awesome shred, but to me, there's no emotion at all.
Want emotion combined equally with awesome shred? Try Jason Beckerrrrrr.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:23:45 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: <raitz@estcard.ee> Subject: RE Spock's Beard boner track Message-ID: <000001be1e96$3e6e3450$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
did you say "boner" track? For me, almost all Spock's Beard songs are "boner" tracks (huge stonking ones, at that). Must get some tissues - looks like Monica Lewinsky has been wearing my jeans.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Kari Ruesletten - Mesmerized
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:29:48 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Secrets of Ytse: Revealed! Next on FOX. Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F37AB@ms.kallback.com>
> i think that yellow testicle south african elephant thing is a bit > OFF. > lol....its sickening. but what's the REAL meaning ? Youre Too Stupid > to Erase > this issue ? You Talk Shit, Eh?
Ytse means nothing without jam. Ytstejam is Majesty spelled backwards. Majesty was the name of the band that would become Dream Theater.
> BrAd PlUmB > "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you > names but > they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse Great, great movie. His new one (Happiness) is pretty good, too.
Trevor-who's testicles are a heathy shade of pink. (Hmm...new FW cd?) :)
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:02:40 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSE Message-ID: <004401be1e9b$bb0f5160$2f0d84d0@korgx3>
>i think that yellow testicle south african elephant thing is a bit OFF. >lol....its sickening. but what's the REAL meaning ? Youre Too Stupid to
Let's direct you folks to something called the FAQ. :) Ytsejam... Hmmm... What's Ytsejam spelled backwards? Krueger? No..... Church Lady? No.... ah, yes! Majesty! And what do we know about Majesty class?
*whack* (A yardstick disengages Billy Thornton's fingers from his left hand) *WAAAAAH!!! I'll never be a famous rock and roll guitar player now!* *whack* (A yardstick decapitates Billy Thornton)
Ahem... Majesty is the name that Dream Theater went by *before* they were Dream Theater. They had to drop the Majesty name due to copyright restrictions. (As in another band already owned the name Majesty).
And there you go. -- KorgX3
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:13:42 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Shortenings, Portnoy Clinic, Fan Club Message-ID: <ad232ee7.36665646@aol.com>
> From: AL <al@isd.net> > Subject: RE: Digital recording quality
I think this post could have been shortened into two simple sentences:
> You're wrong.
> I am speaking from experience.
I like that. "Look, I've spoken with you before, and you're always wrong, so SHUT UP." Of course I know that isn't what Al meant, but I plan on saying something like this over the phone to someone, perhaps as soon as tomorrow. If you call me, it could be YOU.
---- > From: "Merlo, Christopher" <ChristopherMerlo@Waterhouse.com> > Subject: the clinic, NYPD blue > > Wow. Mike's damn good. The clinic was a great deal of fun. I'm sure > someone else will provide a more profound review, but the personal > highlights for me were: > > Bafu NOT asking Mike where to buy those cool Images & Words silk shirts.
Well thanks, sometimes I actually CAN keep my mouth shut.
> The guy who went to the Albany clinic and asked Mike a question that > Mike didn't understand. The guy came to the clinic last night with a > boombox, to play Mike the specific part of LitS he wanted Mike to break > down.
Dude: How can I approach this particular drum part? (plays part on boombox) Chris: Sell ya drumkit.
> Bafu getting into an argument with Mike about 12th notes.
It wasn't an argument, we were constructively criticizing each other. And my hair is thick enough that the purple hotstix didn't leave much of a mark.
> Mike playing a drums-only version of the middle of Metropolis I (thankfully > we'll have to start specifying I and II :) with the rest of us humming all the > guitar/bass/keys parts.
Fun, wasn't it? Makes you want to start an acapella DT choir. :)
> Derek Sherinian suddenly appearing out of nowhere and running through the > music store completely naked. Really broke the monotony of Mike's drumming.
Anyone who wants an 8x10 glossy of this fiasco, yes I had my camera.
> New LTE stuff. Oh my goodness.
That's an understatement.
> Bafu catching one of Mike's drum sticks and hurling it back at Mike while > shouting "sonic BOOM!!"
Hey, I did the "Sho-ryu-ken!" thing at the Petrucci clinic, I'm not much for repeating myself...
(Best part is, Chris won't even be reading this.)
---- > From: drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell) > Subject: Dream Theater Fan Club Scam???? > > Well Fans, It has been a month since I sent my money to the DTIFC England > address and still no response. I also email Neil Elliott about 2 weeks > ago and still no response. Is anyone out there having similiar problems > and what should you suggest I do. Thanks. Feel free to email me in > private.
There's this bodybuilder named Joey who breaks legs for a price. He's on the web at www.legsnappa.com. Send him an e-mail, he takes care of things. All sorts of things.
> Dan Russell > Recreation Superintendent
"What do you do?" "Well, I watch kids play around on playground equipment. I watch them all day long. Sometimes I climb up there and play with them. Sometimes I bring a cooler of water balloons and let the kids peg each other. The best parts of this job are the trips to Chuck E. Cheese - that moon bounce is a total riot, even if you do weigh 190 lbs. and send all the other kids flying when you jump around." "Ah, I see... So what's that job called, what's your official title?" "Recreation Superintendent."
Bafu Vai
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