YTSEJAM Digest 4475
Today's Topics:
1) Re: FII
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
2) Old Genesis (NDTC)
by Darth1@aol.com
3) re: 90's guitarists
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Re: FII
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
5) Re: FII
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
6) Re: FII
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) drum corps stuff
by Daniel Nobles <dozer@eznet.net>
8) Re: Old Genesis (NDTC)
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
9) Re: Typical electric guitar vibrato.
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
10) Re: birthday
by AyameYuki@aol.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4473
by AyameYuki@aol.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4473
by "Ryan Roehrich" <ryanscott@mindless.com>
13) Re: Old Genesis (NDTC)
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
14) offtopic, but important
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
15) Shannon Hoon
by Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
16) Rollerball and Yngwie
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
17) Re: Rollerball and Yngwie
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
18) Re: Rollerball and Yngwie
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
19) Plastic Covers
by AyameYuki@aol.com
20) Tribute CD (Need Advice)
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:07:14 -0500
From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: FII
Message-ID: <3666D352.D3E0939F@softhome.net>
Schnipp - wrote:
> second thought
> who the fuck is Shannon Hood anyway?
Shannon Hoon was the lead singer for Blind Melon, an "alternative"-type band
infamous among DT fans because they criticized DT (specifically, Pull Me
Under) in some guitar mag. He died a few years back of a heroin overdose, but
I'm not sure it was proven to be suicide, as the song implies by association
with Kurt Cobain.
>
>
> third thought
> in the bridge of YNM (that's alright I'm okay...) did anybody else
> notice these spacy rotating (on the manual) sounds way back?
Yes. It sounds like flanged and space-swirlied jungle shit.
jungle shit (n.) (juhn-gul-shit) 1. Some instrument which Craig can't quite
identify from memory.
Yee-haw.
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:10 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Old Genesis (NDTC) Message-ID: <1601d54e.3666da1a@aol.com>
I recently picked up the Genesis album "Trespass" on vinyl at a record show the other day on a whim (along with King Crimson's "Discipline"). And as I listened to it, I noticed that it was VERY proggy (a la ELP, Yes) lots of flutes, dulcimers, cellos, 12 strings, etc. Peter Gabriel's singing is also excellent. "And on the 2nd day I said, "IT IS GOOD"". Does anyone know if this was their first album? Do they have any other albums with this sound?
Josh S.
NP: David Bowie: "Little Wonder" - EaRthLinG
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/8435
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: 90's guitarists Message-ID: <19981203184632.25471.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
"Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> wrote:
> What about Al DiMeola? What about Steve Morse? What about John > Friggin' McLaughlin? Throw me a friggin bone here people! :)
Well, I was thinking more rock/metal than jazz/rock. But we can put a footnote in for AD and JM under "etc". ;o)
So from the 90's guitar suggestions, the following discs seem to be available from CDNOW. If I were to pick up just one of these, which should it be?:
Ron Thal - Adventures Of Bumblefoot, Hermit
Joe Stump - Guitar Dominance, Rapid Fire Rondo, Supersonic
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:39:37 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: FII Message-ID: <3666F709.3FB3EFA3@caribe.net>
Craig Griffith wrote:
> Schnipp - wrote: > > > second thought > > who the fuck is Shannon Hood anyway? > > Shannon Hoon was the lead singer for Blind Melon, an "alternative"-type band > infamous among DT fans because they criticized DT (specifically, Pull Me > Under) in some guitar mag. He died a few years back of a heroin overdose, but > I'm not sure it was proven to be suicide, as the song implies by association > with Kurt Cobain.
I dont think DT tried to imply that he commited suicide, they just named him with Cobain as 2 dead drug addicts who are revered or worshipped as if they were good examples...
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:53:33 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: FII Message-ID: <004a01be1ef6$9bede5c0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>I dont think DT tried to imply that he commited suicide, they just named him with >Cobain as 2 dead drug addicts who are revered or worshipped as if they were good >examples...
"people will take care of you until you kill yourself and then the sales go through the roof, calculated, formulated..."
i think they're implying suicide... although, i mean, whether it was intentional or not dying of a heroin overdose is killing yourself so it applies either way. moo.
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:09:15 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: FII Message-ID: <3666FDFA.74C22B7F@caribe.net>
TheCowGod wrote:
> >I dont think DT tried to imply that he commited suicide, they just named > him with > >Cobain as 2 dead drug addicts who are revered or worshipped as if they were > good > >examples... > > "people will take care of you until you kill yourself and then the sales go > through the roof, calculated, formulated..." > > i think they're implying suicide... although, i mean, whether it was > intentional or not dying of a heroin overdose is killing yourself so it > applies either way. moo. > > *** END OF TRANSMISSION ***
that is true tho, we could have an endless discussion about how willing abuse of drugs is killing oneself or not... but hey... its not like we even care about Cobain or Hoon.. so F- it.. hey cow.. let me know if youre going to Hammerfall so we can go in a group.. im going with at least 3 or 4 more people...
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:13:43 -0500 From: Daniel Nobles <dozer@eznet.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: drum corps stuff Message-ID: <3666F0F6.2B704CB9@eznet.net>
Hey: Out of lurkdom to make a comment on the recent rash of Drum Corps Posts... All I can say is GO STATESMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad to see that
I am not the only closet drum corp fan around..... Its in my blood dating back to my dad playing with the Rochester Grey Knights then the Rochester Crusaders.. He doesnt heve much of a memorie left, but the strongest memories are of that time....
Anyways sorry for the waste of bandwdith but just wanted to share my enthusiasm..
JD
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 98 12:37:09 -0800 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Old Genesis (NDTC) Message-ID: <199812032036.MAA05087@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>I recently picked up the Genesis album "Trespass" on vinyl at a record show >the other day on a whim (along with King Crimson's "Discipline"). And as I >listened to it, I noticed that it was VERY proggy (a la ELP, Yes) lots of >flutes, dulcimers, cellos, 12 strings, etc. Peter Gabriel's singing is also >excellent. >"And on the 2nd day I said, "IT IS GOOD"". >Does anyone know if this was their first album? Do they have any other albums >with this sound?
Well, there's one other album before that one, entitled "From Genesis to Revelation", but "Trespass" is, for all intents and purposes, the bands first album, prog-wise. All their subsequent albums up until "And Then There Were Three" are similar: heavy organ/mellotron/piano use, 12-string guitar, very layered music, occasional electric guitar. All of it's great. Up until ATTWT is the most progressive era of the band (Note: I enjoy all the stuff after ATTWT as well, but then you get into "Invisible Touch" and "Misunderstanding" that some people have a hard time with, being so poppy.) Gabriel left after "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway", a massive 2CD concept album - very bizarre, very keyboard-oriented, but very good, once you get into it - and Phil Collins takes over vocals for the next phase of the bands career. Though people think Genesis's downfall begins with Collins on vocals, the next two albums, "A Trick of the Tail" and "Wind and Wuthering" before ATTWT showcase some of the finest progressive rock Genesis has ever made.
As far as purchasing goes, I would recommend buying "Selling England by the Pound", then "Foxtrot", then "A Trick of the Tail", then "The Lamb."
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ People who think of videos as an art form are probably the same people who think Cabbage Patch Dolls are a revolutionary form of soft sculpture. -FZ
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Typical electric guitar vibrato. Message-ID: <01J4WMWBXBSY8ZF162@alma.edu>
>So, in conclusion, to achieve the wacky vibrato of the gods...BUY A >JEM. Or do the practical thing and PRACTICE! :^)
Damn, I said I wasn't going to start posting again and here I go. I was hoping this would turn into a discussion since it's something I've been putting a lot of work into lately. I don't have much to offer in the way of advice but I will say that the above is not really true. A lot of Vai and JP's really amazing vibrato is not done with the bar. There were several places in the new DT video where I was looking to see which JP used on certain notes and I was amazed to find that most of those wide-vibratoed notes are done with his left hand and not the bar. And Zakk Wylde gets absolutely insane vibrato on a Les Paul. As far as how to do it, I have had some luck with the whole Vai thing about just playing one note for an hour. By no means have I gotten to where I want to be, but I would suggest turning a drum machine on while practicing this since this has helped for me. Being rhythmic with vibrato is very important, obviously there are infinite different ways to approach that concept but it sounds a lot better when the pulse of the vibrato is in some way connected to the beat of the music. I've had some success with just setting the drum machine at a low tempo and trying to hit each peak/valley (for lack of a better phrase) in 8th notes, or maybe triplets. Try to get a good controlled, smooth, wide vibrato at a low tempo first, then try to slowly speed it up, just like with picking exercises. I hope that wasn't too obvious. What I'm interested in hearing are the specific techniques that other people use for this; which fingers, where the rest of your hand is on the neck, up-and-down or side-to-side, etc. I've been experimenting with a variety of techniques and trying not to get too locked into any one. There was another thing in that collection of Vai articles that talked about the circular method, but I can't figure out what he's talking about with that since if you do it the way he describes it, you raise the pitch three quarters of the time and only lower it one quarter of the time. Also, as far as the quote at the top of this post goes, I know it's nit-picking but the low-pro edge is on a lot of mid-to-high end Ibanezes, not just the Jem. -Clark
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:29:29 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: birthday Message-ID: <b7414b38.366702b9@aol.com>
hey...my b day is the same as Frank Sinatra. im proud of that. and also...a few rennaisance composers too....i think...Copland...i need to refresh my dates on those guys. and by the way you jammers : MY BIRTHDAY IS DEC 12 ( NEXT SATURDAY ) / I expect presents...and if not...i will be tempted to write " hanson rules! " ( although i hate thier chip munk likeness )
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:36:39 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4473 Message-ID: <662cbd5b.36670467@aol.com>
here's my beef. NO i DID NOT know what YTSE meant at first. and whoever the bastard was who told my interpretation of YTSE was total shit should get hit over the head with an Ampeg amp. and much thanks to Korg ( i now hate you ) for clarifying it in a less cussworthy way. my comp doesnt accept FAQ's from any site. my comp's the load of crap i use to read the BS on aol with. :)
oh..and have a nice day
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:57:29 -0700 From: "Ryan Roehrich" <ryanscott@mindless.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4473 Message-ID: <4.1.19981203155707.0092e3f0@pop.primenet.com>
At 01:52 PM 12/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >here's my beef. NO i DID NOT know what YTSE meant at first. and whoever the >bastard was who told my interpretation of YTSE was total shit should get hit >over the head with an Ampeg amp. and much thanks to Korg ( i now hate you ) >for clarifying it in a less cussworthy way. my comp doesnt accept FAQ's from >any site. my comp's the load of crap i use to read the BS on aol with. :) > > >oh..and have a nice day
sounds like a personal problem to me :)
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:25:06 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Old Genesis (NDTC) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981203182506.007dba90@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Here's the scoop on Genesis. There was an album before this called From Genesis to revelation, but I don't have it, partly because everybody told me it sucks. From here, I would recommend these albums. Foxtrot, and Selling England by the Pound are must-haves. The lamb Lies Down on Broadway is another. Then the other Peter Gabriel albums are Live, and Nursery Cryme. You may also want to check out Archives, which is a 4 disk box set of Peter Gabriel era Genesis, including a totally live rendition of The Lamb, some live tracks from the Selling England tour and demos. All Peter Gabriel Genesis is very good, especially if you like Tresspass, you will love the rest. At 10:51 AM 12/3/1998 -0800, you wrote: I recently picked up the Genesis album "Trespass" on vinyl at a record show the other day on a whim (along with King Crimson's "Discipline"). And as I listened to it, I noticed that it was VERY proggy (a la ELP, Yes) lots of flutes, dulcimers, cellos, 12 strings, etc. Peter Gabriel's singing is also excellent. "And on the 2nd day I said, "IT IS GOOD"". Does anyone know if this was their first album? Do they have any other albums with this sound? Josh S. NP: David Bowie: "Little Wonder" - EaRthLinG http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/8435
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:28:37 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: offtopic, but important Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981203182837.007d60b0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Attention, all you keyboard lunies like me, or am I the only one on this list. Anybody know how to tune an Oberheim OBXA synth? I am asking this because I have the opportunity to buy one for $400 plus shipping and it just needs to be recalibrated, a.k.a. tuned. Should I go for this? Think Tom Sawyer and Jump. This is the keyboard. What do you all think.
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:37:25 -0600 From: Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Shannon Hoon Message-ID: <366712A3.239285B2@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
>hi all, > first thought > maybe DT doesn't get videoplay because"a daily dose of >eMpTyV"
>second thought > who the fuck is Shannon Hood anyway?
Actually it's Shannon Hoon, he is the vocalist for Blind Melon - well at least he was until he died from a drug overdose.
Jason
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Rollerball and Yngwie Message-ID: <19981203235139.28487.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
So speaking of movies, I'm sure that you all know the classic movie "Rollerball"? There's a part of the movie with some slow music played with strings (it's credited name is "Adagio", but no composer listed). This little section also happens to be the slow part that Yngwie plays in "Icarus Dream Suite" on the "Rising Force" album.
Anyone know if this is from some classical composition, or was it just written as part of the movie soundtrack?
- BH
NP - Chroma Key/DAFR
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:00:51 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Rollerball and Yngwie Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9812031857400.19771-100000@mariner.cris.com>
Brian Hansen wrote:
> So speaking of movies, I'm sure that you all know the classic movie > "Rollerball"? There's a part of the movie with some slow music played > with strings (it's credited name is "Adagio", but no composer listed). > This little section also happens to be the slow part that Yngwie plays > in "Icarus Dream Suite" on the "Rising Force" album. > > Anyone know if this is from some classical composition, or was it just > written as part of the movie soundtrack?
The composer's name is Albenoni.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:02:02 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Rollerball and Yngwie Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981203185855.27345B-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
The chances are that if the credited title is called "Adagio" then the piece is called "Adagio for Strings" by Samuel Barber. It is also used in the movie "Platoon" at a scene where an air strike happens. I can't be sure, because I haven't seen Rollerball, but that's what seems logical to me.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:27:13 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Plastic Covers Message-ID: <b460ad78.36672c61@aol.com>
hey..i was watching MTV when they advertised those new CD covers. ( the ones that are like microscopic plastic you just slip onto the CD )...i havent tried those things yet....but whatever the "lens" part does on my CD player...i do not want to smell a laser buring through the plastic to play a song . if any one has tried this thing, e mail me . best way : just rub your CD on some denim in a pendulum motion. works for me i guess.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 98 17:26:43 -0800 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Tribute CD (Need Advice) Message-ID: <199812040126.RAA22685@network-services.uoregon.edu>
All right...I need some advice.
I'm on another mailing list...and the idea of a tribute CD has come up. I know there has been at least one (probably more) attempts at doing something like this on the Ytsejam. Well, I'm interested in participating in the tribute on this other list...and I would like to see a fan-based tribute CD succeed. There are those on this list who have contributed to the process, have seen it work (and not work) on this list and perhaps others...and I was wondering if anyone could give me advice in regards to making this project work. (Ie: Advice on how to work with people, choose songs, keep it going, etc...)
That's all,
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over. -FZ
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