YTSEJAM Digest 4478
Today's Topics:
1) new finneus gauge album: ready to order.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@erotomania.org>
2) Vibrato and whammy and bears oh my
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
3) re: 90's Guitarists
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) re: Hoon/Drugs/Suicide
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
5) New Jim Matheos solo album news
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
6) Tag, YOU'RE IT!
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
7) 90s axemen
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
8) Re: 90s axemen
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
9) Re: 90s axemen
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
10) Psalm 69: The Anti-Guitarist
by "Portnoy666@evil.com" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:50:46 -0500
From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: new finneus gauge album: ready to order.
Message-ID: <001101be1fae$a0173a80$afcbcdcf@syrinx>
Thought some of you would want to see this.
- mike.
>Greetings from finneus gauge!!
>
>"One Inch of the Fall", the follow-up to 1997's acclaimed "more once
>more", has been sent off for pressing and is expected to be released in
>early January, 1999......HOWEVER, we are taking preorders NOW, with the
>promise that we shall start shipping the CDs out as soon as we receive
>them.... so be the first people to receive the new finneus gauge release
>by placing your order NOW!
>
>As an additional bonus, the first 200 people who send their check or
>money order (U.S. Funds) postmarked to the below address will receive a
>FREE AUTOGRAPHED finneus gauge CD-R of 3 LIVE finneus tunes PLUS a bonus
>track!!
>
>Remember, first come, first serve, so get your check or money order
>(U.S. funds) in ASAP!!
>
>PRICES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
>
>PACKAGE A - "one inch of the fall"
>
>United States and Canada - $14 plus $2 S&H (TOTAL $16)
>Europe - $14 plus $5 S&H (TOTAL $19)
>Japan - $14 plus $7 S&H (TOTAL $21)
>
>PACKAGE B - "more once more"
>
>United States and Canada - $13 plus $2 S&H (TOTAL $15)
>Europe - $13 plus $5 S&H (TOTAL $18)
>Japan - $13 plus $7 S&H (TOTAL $20)
>
>PACKAGE C - finneus gauge T-shirt (white)
>
>United States and Canada - $12 plus $3 S&H (TOTAL $15)
>Europe - $12 plus $6 S&H (TOTAL $18)
>Japan - $12 plus $8 S&H (TOTAL $20)
>
>PACKAGE D - "one inch of the fall" AND "more once more"!!
>
>United States and Canada - $24 plus $3 S&H (TOTAL $27)
>Europe - $24 plus $6 S&H (TOTAL $30)
>Japan - $24 plus $8 S&H (TOTAL $32)
>
>PACKAGE E - "one inch of the fall" AND T-shirt!!
>
>United States and Canada - $24 plus $4 S&H (TOTAL $28)
>Europe - $24 plus $7 S&H (TOTAL $31)
>Japan - $24 plus $9 S&H (TOTAL $33)
>
>PACKAGE F - "more once more" AND T-shirt!!
>
>United States and Canada - $23 plus $4 S&H (TOTAL $27)
>Europe - $23 plus $7 S&H (TOTAL $30)
>Japan - $23 plus $9 S&H (TOTAL $32)
>
>PACKAGE G - "one inch of the fall", "more once more", AND T-shirt!!
>
>United States and Canada - $32 plus $5 S&H (TOTAL $37)
>Europe - $32 plus $8 S&H (TOTAL $40)
>Japan - $32 plus $10 S&H (TOTAL $42)
>
>
>Once again, the first 200 packages ordered will receive FREE of charge a
>signed 4-track CD EP of finneus gauge!!!
>
>Please send check or money order (U.S. funds) to:
>
>inverse entertainment
>P.O. Box 2355
>Jenkintown, PA 19046
>
>Please clearly state which package you are selecting when sending
>payment.
>
>Thanks from all of us in finneus gauge and happy holidays!!
>
>finneus-gauge@juno.com
>http://ghostland.com/finneus.html
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:52:17 -0600
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Vibrato and whammy and bears oh my
Message-ID: <000c01be1fae$d6b4db60$94739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
Korg:
>I'll agree with Chris here. Thal is great, and I've only heard him over
>iparty! :) I'd spaced getting an album until this came up. That "pebble
in
>my pants" (wasn't it?) song has to get perma-play in my CD player so CDNow
>just made another $15 off of me. :P
That song ("Dirty Pant'loons") is on his Bumblefoot: Hands release. You
can only get it directly through him, but you can do just that through
http://www.prognosis.com/bumblefoot
There are samples from everything he's done, including a Sega Saturn
game.
>From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
>Nah, for the total SERIOUS guitar player 8^| you don't *need* a
>floating trem at all. Personally, I enjoy the freedom the wang bar
>gives me
I might say that if you need the wang bar to be "free" then you don't
have freedom. You can take my wang bar, but you can never take me
FREEEDOM!!!!
Remember. Every man can whammy. Not every man can truly do vibrato.
> And I KNOW Vai and
>JP take advantage of this freedom to pull of some cool ass vibrato,
>along with their flutters and dive bombs. I've seen it wit my own two
>I-balls!
The only places JP uses whammy are for dive effects and for vibrato on
chords (i e PMU). He doesn't really use it for single note vibrato that I
real. Vai only uses the bar for dramatic effects. His vibrato, the real
stuff... not when he's making a guitar talk like Charlie Brown's teacher, is
all in his hands. Watch him play.
The whammy is awesome for flutters (chirps) dive bombs and crazy effects
(think "Boys, it's GETTING too LOUD!" from the Audience is listening).
Becker did some cool weird ass vibrato on Perpetual burn with a whammy, but
he can do anything.
>But vibrato is probably the most important technique in subtlety you
>could practice and master on the guitar. Alex Skolnick likes to hold
>out the note out for a little while before bending the string around and
>around to keep the sustain nice and purty.
Steve Lukather once said that vibrato on guitar should be like vibrato
on voice. Listen to a trained vocalist sing and see how they use it.
Sometimes you jump right in and start shaking, and other times you hold back
for a second and then let it go.
>Dm - G#dim7 - Am. This and the next section are Steve Vai's rendition of
>a composition by classical guitarist William Kanengiser that Eugene
>played (actually, William played and arranged all the classical guitar
>parts) earlier in the movie."
It's a variation on a Paganini theme. As I said, TONS of composers took
pieces of Paganini's Capricci and modeled their own compositions after them.
Check out some Brahms and Liszt for some sick piano examples of this.
Ry Cooder, for the record, played the blues stuff. All the shred on
Crossroads was Vai.
>From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
>The indubidubbadubbadubbably awesome Christopher Ptacek smitted me with
>a voracious appetite for blood and proof of superior penis length and
>testicular volume:
Do you have any idea how much comments like that annoy me? You taking
"Bafu Vai's How to Annoy Madsman" lessons? Consider that maybe you have an
inferiority complex. I don't consider myself to be better than anyone on
this list. I can claim to have been playing for 10 years, and I think I'm
justified in acting like my opinions have some substantial basis when
discussing guitar technique. I put in the work. I don't just talk shit.
>> Don't get used to using a bar as a crutch. It takes soul out
>> of your playing, especially when you need to play a guitar without a
>> floating trem.
>
>I've witnessed you argue this time and time again and I still don't
>connect with you on this one.... It's as absurd as saying, "NO NO NO!
>**BAD** guitarist! Don't plug that guitar in! *thwap hands with ruler*
>Don't EVER do that, you won't learn how to play with soul! And worse
>than that, you won't know how to play a guitar without an amplifier!"
Who said that? Don't pretend that I was A). Speaking only to you in
that response or B). Telling you not to use the bar at all. I have not
argued this "time and again." I think you're just a bit defensive. What
I'm saying (note, the lack of "NO" and "BAD GUITARIST") is that I don't
consider the tremolo bar to be a good source for one's vibrato. You can't
be as accurate or as expressive with it, and you WILL come into situations
where you need vibrato and won't have access to a whammy or won't be able to
use it when you do. There is quite simply no substitute for natural
vibrato, from your fingers. If you deny that, that's fine, Ace, but you're
not going to meet too many people who agree with you. Don't turn a simple
conversation into an attack... we're all just discussing points of view.
>Then regarding the already discussed LoPro Edge....
>> And it's a piece of shit, IMO.
>So if ya know of anything finer than the LoPro Edge-o-niner, i'd like to
>get some comments. I'm thinking of swapping the TRS in my RG for
>something that works the way i want it to 8^P. No more clickedy clack,
>clickedy clack....
I just hate the feel of where you rest your palm on a Lo Pro. I think
that the original Edge is the best tremolo ever made, and it's followed by
the standard Floyd Rose as seen on higher end axes by all manufacturers
(there are crappy Floyds on many a Fender, Jackson, etc... but there's a
good chunky one on some axes that really rules.)
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:59:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: AEllis1222@aol.com
Subject: re: 90's Guitarists
Message-ID: <19981204175906.29441.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
Thanks to all who gave input on Ron Thal and Joe Stump!
It looks like I'll be picking up Ron Thal/Hermit...But I'll definately
have to pick up a Joe Stump soon (Can't pass up that neo-classical
shred).
Does Joe Stump have vocals and keyboards? Or is it just guitar
instrumental? (NC shred is great, but I like it best in the context of
a great song, like Symphony X does...)
- BH
NP - Howard Stern
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:56:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: Hoon/Drugs/Suicide
Message-ID: <19981204185644.11113.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU> stepped up on the soapbox
and took his turn:
> Ok, here's the deal:
> The harsh reality is that PEOPLE WHO DIE OF DRUG OVERDOSES _ARE_
COMMITTING SUICIDE!!!
> No one forces the syringe to their veins or the crackpipe to their
faces. A drug
> overdose is a death that is caused by lack of respect for one's self
or carelessness
> with one's body. If a person is going to introduce that kind of
risk to
> his health, it is very much the same as putting the gun in his mouth
and
> WAITING for the trigger to be pulled.
OK, we're way off topic here, and I know I shouldn't reply, but I
can't resist.
<soapbox on>
To be clear, I DO NOT advocate ANY drug use to anyone!
How about people who die in hang-gliding or ski-diving accidents? They
took a risk to get a high, and they lost. Did they commit suicide? No
one forced them to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!
The "harsh reality" is that life is full of risks, and if you take one
of those risks and lose, it just means that your number was up. Some
may argue that the risk you took was ill-advised or just plain stupid,
but to say that it is "suicide" is not accurate.
Suicide is a very specific thing. It is not risk taking or thrill
seeking. It is an end or a cry for help.
Drug use may be ill-advised, but it is a recreation that some people
enjoy. People who die of drug overdoses had a deadly accident. (Unless
they were REALLY committing suicide, in which case the drug was just a
means to their end.)
To jump up and say that "drugs are suicide" is just not accurate. It
sounds more like "war on drugs" propaganda to me. What drugs are you
talking about? The government tells you drugs a,b,c are bad and drugs
d,e,f are good?
Abuse and excess of anything is a problem. It shouldn't be mixed with
the different and separate issue of "suicide".
Otherwise we will have to say that eating that pizza is suicide
because you're clogging your arteries...
<soapbox off>
my $1.00, BH
P.S. Once again, I don't advocate drugs to anyone. I don't even drink
coffee myself. (But I do like a good stout) ;o)
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:24:54 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: "fates@listservant.com (Parallels List)" <fates@listservant.com>,
Subject: New Jim Matheos solo album news
Message-ID: <36683706.49930317@goodnet.com>
Hi everybody, just got an email from Jim about the status of his new solo
album, here's what he had to say:
>Right now I'm in the middle of recording the solo record. This one is a >bit different from FI. More upbeat. Aside from myself on guitar it >features Michael Manring on bass, Charlie Bisharat on violin and some >guy named Zonder on drums (I hear he's pretty good). Should be done by >the end of the year.
And also some info concerning any rumours about a Fates Warning tour early next
year:
>Winter tour is still possible but doubtful. I'll keep you posted.
So there you have it!
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Come join the discussions in the new online Bulletin Board! <<<------------------------------
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:30:19 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Tag, YOU'RE IT! Message-ID: <3668384B.F614EE09@imap1.asu.edu>
Christopher Ptacek would never ever smite me with a voracious appetite for blood and proof of superior penis length and testicular volume, we share the same first and middle names for cryin' out loud, how can i not like the guy?:
> I might say that if you need the wang bar to be "free" then you don't > have freedom. You can take my wang bar, but you can never take me > FREEEDOM!!!!
Well, I'm 7 feet tall and can shoot purple lighting out of my arse! "This is MY Ytsejam!" "*Your* Ytsejam?" (Psychotic look) "My Ytsejam!"
> Remember. Every man can whammy. Not every man can truly do > vibrato.
And not everybody can crossbreed a yak and a teletubby and get good egg nog from it, but do you see me complaining?
You can whammy some of the time and please all the people, you can whammy all of the time and please some of the people, but you can't whammy all the time whammy all of the people.
> Steve Lukather once said that vibrato on guitar should be like vibrato > on voice. Listen to a trained vocalist sing and see how they use it. > Sometimes you jump right in and start shaking, and other times you hold back > for a second and then let it go.
Hmm. I should stop using LaBrie's live performance on that Pay Per View WOWOW! video as a reference point...
I agree with ya on that -great- vibrato is like butta to the ears and can only be achieved by truly honing your skills in the master craft with practice and incredible control of your hands and urges (Yes, I too was once a nervous gerbil, but since I ordered Hooked on Vibrato, I've upgraded my condition to Psycho Shitball)
I was just pointing out in my own art student kinda way (wait a sec, i'm not an art student anymore...ACK! I'M PERMANENTLY SCREWED UP!) that it is possible to get a great vibrato effect with the whammy bar and still retain your penis length among your peers! *Eckie grabs the 12 pack carton of eggs*
> Do you have any idea how much comments like that annoy me? You taking > "Bafu Vai's How to Annoy Madsman" lessons? Consider that maybe you have an > inferiority complex. I don't consider myself to be better than anyone on > this list. I can claim to have been playing for 10 years, and I think I'm > justified in acting like my opinions have some substantial basis when > discussing guitar technique. I put in the work. I don't just talk shit.
Ah man, I was just being the wise cracking dumbshit asshole I always am! Come with me, let's go have some beer and practice our manboob technique together. We'll go egg Bafu's house later when the sun is down. It'll be fun! > >> Don't get used to using a bar as a crutch. It takes soul out > >> of your playing, especially when you need to play a guitar without a > >> floating trem. > > > >I've witnessed you argue this time and time again and I still don't > >connect with you on this one.... It's as absurd as saying, "NO NO > >**BAD** guitarist! Don't plug that guitar in! *thwap hands with >>ruler*
> Who said that? Don't pretend that I was A). Speaking only to you in > that response
I didn't mean to argue in that sense that you were just addressing me, I meant to say that I've been in this conversation before and have read you typing out "Don't use the whammy bar as a crutch..." when I was in said convesation. It wasn't directed at you!
That is good advice. If you're suffering from a broken or severed leg....
Remember (and this goes to everyone), I'm never laughing with you. >:)
> or B). Telling you not to use the bar at all. I have not > argued this "time and again." I think you're just a bit defensive. What > I'm saying
No, YOU'RE BEING DEFENSIVE!
> I'm saying
HOW COME YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ME?
> I'm saying
AHEYEYEYEE! I WANT MY MOMMMYYYYYY!
> Shut the hell up Eckie, all I'm saying > (note, the lack of "NO" and "BAD GUITARIST") is that I don't > consider the tremolo bar to be a good source for one's vibrato. > You can't > be as accurate or as expressive with it, and you WILL come into situations > where you need vibrato and won't have access to a whammy or won't be able to > use it when you do. There is quite simply no substitute for natural > vibrato, from your fingers.
I never said it was something to replace finger vibrato with. Let's play the semantics game >:)
Contestant number one...I claimed I had spent lots and lots of guitar time practicing my vibrato before triggering a ridiculous thread on the Ytsejam.
"Uh, who is Eckie?"
Oh no, that is not the correct answer. But for your money back to break even...I sent a bizarre email to the Ytsejam suggesting that whammy bar magic and scalloped frets do have an effect on people's vibrato and overall guitar playing, and can be used for a great vibrato effect as well as finger technique.
"WHO IS CLARK ABEL!"
I'm sorry, that is also incorrect. *Alex pushes the button to release the trap door under contestant number one as he falls below the terminal and giant flames engulf him. Contestant number 2 fears*
> If you deny that, that's fine, Ace, but you're > not going to meet too many people who agree with you. Don't turn a simple > conversation into an attack... we're all just discussing points of view.
I didn't mean to go onto the offense. Check mate. I don't deny. I paint.
> I just hate the feel of where you rest your palm on a Lo Pro. I think > that the original Edge is the best tremolo ever made, and it's followed by > the standard Floyd Rose as seen on higher end axes by all manufacturers > (there are crappy Floyds on many a Fender, Jackson, etc... but there's a > good chunky one on some axes that really rules.)
I have played that chunky trem system. I wish I could've afforded the axe that had it. But I also say the same thing when I play through a Dual Rectifier solo head. And a Pentium 2 450mHz machine with a 3d accelerator card. And a Hummer. And a 7 string guitar....
~Eckie jumps in his Wagon O Love and heads to Bafu's garage with his carton of eggs
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:15:41 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: 90s axemen Message-ID: <366842ED.61F8434E@bu.edu>
> Who/where are the major shredders from the 90's? > > How about the 90's? Is John Petrucci the only one? Jerry Cantrell? > Micheal Romeo (Does he count?, He doesn't even have a domestic (US) > record deal.), Dimebag Darryl? > Well I agree with you about Dimebag Darrell, he's one of my favorites in any decade, Jerry Cantrell is a hell of a player, but he doesn't really shred. The notables from the 90s are JP, Ty Tabor, Buckethead, Ron Thal and Marty Friedman. Romeo can count, but he is the anti-guitarist, IMO.
Oh yeah I know that some of these players' first albums were in the 80s, but their most of their stuff has come out in the 90s.
Isaac
-- "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."-- Helmet
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:17:40 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: 90s axemen Message-ID: <36684364.3603DA81@imap1.asu.edu>
Isaac Sabetai sells seashells suffering from scoliosis by the bay:
> The notables from the 90s are JP, Ty Tabor, Buckethead, > Ron > Thal and Marty Friedman. Romeo can count, but he is the > anti-guitarist,
Okay, this I have to know about. Please, elaborate on the "Anti-Guitarist." :)
~Eckie repents his whammy bar ways!
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: 90s axemen Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9812041522510.23259-100000@galileo.cris.com>
Isaac Sabetai wrote:
> Romeo can count, but he is the anti-guitarist, IMO.
What exactly do you mean by this?
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:11:03 -0700 From: "Portnoy666@evil.com" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Psalm 69: The Anti-Guitarist Message-ID: <002601be1fd3$15335a00$0201010a@chuck>
>Okay, this I have to know about. Please, elaborate on the >"Anti-Guitarist." :)
And yea, shall he endeavor to place that which was once revered as grand upon the altar. There it was that it became warped and twisted and endowed with great fortitute. O that which was once an object of beauty, crafted by artisan's hands, became a weapon in the hands of the Anti-Guitarist, a torturous instrument of carnage. And his speed shall be that of the divine winds. And his accuracy shall be constant. And his game shall be that of damnation. And his church shall be that of the machine. And his size shall be that of a bovine. And he shall dance upon the edge of forever.
Woe unto those that follow him. Woe unto those that oppose him. And the land became dark...
After that it goes into something about some wicked evil drummer who sits on a throne calling thunder and shit. -- Portnoy666 um... X3...
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