YTSEJAM Digest 4479
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Vibrato and whammy and ptacek and eckie and bears oh my
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
2) Colorado Info
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
3) radiophone magic
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
4) it IS december 4th, right?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
5) Oh where oh where has the DTC gone...
by AL <al@isd.net>
6) The jam in full swing
by AL <al@isd.net>
7) Re: Oh where oh where has the DTC gone...
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
8) Homicidal musicians
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
9) 3 questions
by Deak Szabolcs <s8554dea@hszk.bme.hu>
10) uh oh
by Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
11) Re: vibrato
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
12) Re: AL and Superior; I'm 'Behind' you
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
13) kewl web site
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
14) Re: Prog metal/jazz fusion...
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:14:38 -0700
From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Vibrato and whammy and ptacek and eckie and bears oh my
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981204151436.006a23a0@postoffice.syspac.com>
Chris Ptacek wrote:
> The only places JP uses whammy are for dive effects and for vibrato on
>chords (i e PMU). He doesn't really use it for single note vibrato that I
>real.
Metropolis intro. 0:51, bar dive. 1:18, wide bar-vibrato and flutter.
Petrucci using it for single note vibrato.
Actually, I really studied Petrucci because I think he has some of the
smoothest whammy bar technique I've ever seen/heard. Real class-A stuff
there. His single-note vibrato is one of the coolest things I've ever
heard, and his chord-vibrato is really cool too.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:41:41 -0700
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Colorado Info
Message-ID: <872566D0.007CB6CE.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
Could the person who sent the URLs for Colorado bands and mailing list
resend the links,
Thanks,
Nigel
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:09:47 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: radiophone magic
Message-ID: <19981205000948.21995.qmail@hotmail.com>
>This is absolutely true. My friend lives right next to an AM radio
>station. He can't do *shit* in his old house without picking up KBAR
>over the phone, TV, radio, guitar amp, etc. We tried recording stuff
>there once and it sucked, even though we had lots of real cool
>samples of sexually unsatisfied women whining to Dr. Laura.
i know all to well of what this guy goes through.....i live on the
eleventh floor of an apartment building....when i got the place, I
figured aright, great reception, i'm gonna pull in all the rock stations
from miles and miles around!
no dice.....i live between the fisher building and the transmitting
towers for WDET and WDTR...the fisher building has a little station
called WJR in it.....and that 50000 watt behemoth is capable of reaching
38 states and 6 Canadian provinces......
so I have interference on my phone, on my CD player, on my radio,
especially the radio
funny thing, on th radio, it isn't 'JR that i'm picking up all over the
place.....rather, it's this damn country station that, at least on my
radios, broadcasts all the ay up and down the dial, on AM AND FM!
and what's worse, the signal isn't even one of those close by. instead,
it originates from over twenty miles away......
so i listen to my CDs, Savatage with a little Garth Brooks mixed in
(when the interference gets really bad), you should try it
partha
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:27:11 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: it IS december 4th, right?
Message-ID: <19981205002711.21320.qmail@hotmail.com>
so what the hell was i doing outside playing football, in Michigan, in a
t-shirt and shorts? (okay, it as a hitched up pair of sweatpants)(but i
was in a t-shirt)
something does not here sense make
anyway, dream theater, how come scarred doesn't rock as hard as it
should on OiaL? and which rock did Myung crawl back under?
I'm asking now, because i listened to it for the first time in forever
(over three weeks, i'm thinking) yesterday, and that fact allows me to
make the comment, "holy shiite, batman, but there's been a whole heck of
a lot of great rock and roll released in the past few months!"
if anybody is taking count, my top 5 of the year looks like this
1)the wake of magellan 2) younique 3)Left of Cool (Bela Fleck and the
Flecktones) 4) Tin Cans and Car tires (MOE.) and 5) Age of Impact
subject to changes of course, as I remember what else has been put out
over the past year......chromakey is hovering, and the moe disc is
faltering a bit.....
partha
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:56:05 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Oh where oh where has the DTC gone...
Message-ID: <3668A0C4.7D37213E@isd.net>
Alexander T. Coassin Wrote:
>What happened to the DT content?
>It seems everyone is talking about everything except DT.
We're being progressive ;-)
Be patient, this list in NOT one dimensional. (thank God) When DT is not
touring, making or releasing a new album, the Jam becomes a very diverse place
to read and post opinions, learn about other bands, musical equipment, technical
nerdy stuff and arguing just for the sheer shits-n-giggles of it.
As I'm sure you've noticed, the Jam has some wonderful twisted humor
mixed with sense of camaraderie that is second to none. I love you guys, man.
Hell, I'm ready to take Korg's advice and fly to Arizona for some Eckie lovin'.
Just wait until the Christmas CD starts showing up at peoples doors,
You'll have more DTC than you can download. Start looking for 12
digests a day again. By the way... Dream Theater kicks ass!
Is that better?
Carpe DTC
-- AL... The Ytse-ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:45:49 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The jam in full swing Message-ID: <3668AC6D.8CD3BD61@isd.net>
Holy syphilitic Yak excrement!
With regular appearances from the likes of Bafu, Eckie, KorgX3 & Ptacek, I'm gonna start taking sedatives before reading the digests. 4478 kicked ass! (Notice the alphabetical name placement above. This way nobody feels that the ProGtologist has given them a preferential placement advantage.) After all, we are a sensitive bunch:) Hey Bafu, tell us about Pinball man, again.
And now for something completely different... (use your best Eric Idle voice)
I have had a chance to listen to Superior's "Behind" several times. (Not a fucking word, Korg. I know it sounds bad) This CD is a MUST Have for all DT & Fates fans. They are NOT just another clone band, they have a unique sound of their own. Very cool. As I mentioned before, the recording is great and the performance is first rate. I will also "Take The Time" to retract my little complaint about the guitar tone. I mentioned that *I* would have liked a warmer tone. Now I feel that the dry crunchy sound is a perfect contrast to the rest of the instruments. Nice work!
Have I told you that Superior kicks ass?
P.S. There was an itsy bitsy teeny weenie little bit of DTC above. -- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:21:59 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Oh where oh where has the DTC gone... Message-ID: <003f01be2006$d51ea300$256716cb@graham>
>Just wait until the Christmas CD starts showing up at peoples doors, >You'll have more DTC than you can download. Start looking for 12 >digests a day again. By the way... Dream Theater kicks ass!
Anyone care to speculate what the contents of this years xmas CD will be ? I definately know of one song that will be on it ( A Reginal Dwight cover :p) but that's all I know !
GaZ
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:31:16 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Homicidal musicians Message-ID: <3668B714.6F6036B6@home.com>
I'm just forwarding this post I made to the Sava-list, since perhaps some of you will find it amusing. My post was in response to a post concerning black metal musicians, and some of the insane stuff they do (kill each other, eat parts of each other, burn down churches... shit like that)
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> Mayhem became a big time story when vocalist Dead blew his brains out with a > shotgun at the band's house, and the other members claim they cooked and ate > part of his brain _and_ wore parts of his skull on necklaces. Nice, huh? > They became a legend when Count Grishnack from Burzum stabbed Mayhem > guitarist Euronymous - supposedly his best friend - to death for no apparent > reason.
Aren't you guys soooooo glad that all the great prog/symphonic rock/metal bands aren't like this! I sure am! Man, it would really suck to see some crazy newsclippings about our bands!
"Guitarist Al Pitrelli of the band Savatage was found murdered late last night. Derek Sherinian, the keyboard player for the band Dream Theater and a friend of Pitrelli's was immediately brought in for questioning. Earlier today, he confessed to stabbing Pitrelli 179 times with a platic 'spork' from Taco Bell. Even more disturbing is Mr. Sherinian's admission that he in fact ate Pitrelli's liver and gall bladder. Sadly, this is the third tragedy to befall Savatage this month; Two weeks ago, singer and keyboardist Jon Oliva was found hanged with piano wire in his home, an apparent suicide - though foul play is suspected (Michael "Church Burner" Romeo, guitarist of Symphony X is the main suspect). And only last week, guitarist Chris Caffery and singer Zak Stevens were linked to the bizarre murder of Fates Warning drummer Mark Zonder. Caffery and Stevens evidently paid Neal Morse of the band Spock's Beard (who just finished serving time for a manslaughter conviction) to murder Zonder, by dropping thousands of Rap CD's on his head, from the roof of a 10 story office building."
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My favorite response to this was somebody saying "That would hurt a lot!!! Although, not as much as listening to the actual rap cds... ;)"
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- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:43:41 +0100 (MET) From: Deak Szabolcs <s8554dea@hszk.bme.hu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 3 questions Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.9812050536270.24157-100000@ural2>
Hiya there!
Relative newcomer to gather bits of information :)
Firstly, could anyone tell me where I could get Majesty's demos from? (I mean download, preferably)
Secondly, it's not quite obvious to me what the story of 'The Killing Hand' refers to. Could sy help me out?
Last, but not least: what is the speciality of the Lo-pro edge tremolo of Ibanez as compared to the original Floyd Rose-type?
Thanks in advance :)
Falcon
Falcon | Deak Szabolcs Csaba | Bme Info III | Member of 'Dawn Cry'
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:00:20 -0500 From: Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, 70mastrian@cua.edu Cc: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu Subject: uh oh Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981205000020.007d4100@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:56:44 -0800 (PST) >From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> >To: ytsejam@axnet.net >Subject: re: Hoon/Drugs/Suicide > >OK, we're way off topic here, and I know I shouldn't reply, but I >can't resist.
Me neither. =) I probably shouldn't have thrown the original tidbit into the fire in the first place. Then again, I'm nuts. I believe the clinical term is "I'm a fucking idiot."
It IS pretty clever, though, how Mr. Hansen deleted the part of my post (however small) that WAS on topic!
>To be clear, I DO NOT advocate ANY drug use to anyone!
and I do not advocate flaming Brian Hansen! it's probably just going to get me ostracized from the Ytsejam community, involved in an unpleasant little private-email discussion, or both. =)
>How about people who die in hang-gliding or ski-diving accidents? They >took a risk to get a high, and they lost. Did they commit suicide? No >one forced them to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!
I was prepared for this defense and yes, I DO think that this type of death is rather suicidal. Read on...
..or don't. I don't care. =)
>The "harsh reality" is that life is full of risks, and if you take one >of those risks and lose, it just means that your number was up. Some >may argue that the risk you took was ill-advised or just plain stupid, >but to say that it is "suicide" is not accurate.
I agree that life is full of risks. It is possible, however, to distinguish reasonable risks vs. unreasonable risks.
>Suicide is a very specific thing. It is not risk taking or thrill >seeking. It is an end or a cry for help.
But what is risk taking? What is thrill-seeking? Whence does the thrill come in these "extreme sports" such as hang gliding or ski-diving? It comes from exhilaration. The exhilaration comes from fear, the body's built-in defense mechanism against (among other things) unreasonable risks. The exhilaration associated with these activities is the body's way of telling the brain, "you could die at any moment." The thrill cannot come from defying death, because the defiance of death does not come until the activity is complete. No thrill-seeker talks about the rush he has as soon as he is back on the ground he speakes, rather, of the rush of being in free-fall--the UNsafe portion of the activity. Is the possibility so remote that these activities called "thrill-seeking" are also cries for help?
>Drug use may be ill-advised, but it is a recreation that some people >enjoy. People who die of drug overdoses had a deadly accident. (Unless >they were REALLY committing suicide, in which case the drug was just a >means to their end.)
Drug use is NOT a recreation. Drug-users may or may not believe that their activities are recreational, but usually it is a sign that something is amiss in the user's life in the first place. Drug use is a cry for help.
>To jump up and say that "drugs are suicide" is just not accurate. It >sounds more like "war on drugs" propaganda to me. What drugs are you >talking about? The government tells you drugs a,b,c are bad and drugs >d,e,f are good?
What's wrong with "war on drugs" propoganda? I quote Mr. Mackie:
"Drugs are bad. m'kay?"
And I say saying "drugs are suicide" is more accurate than saying that "[drug use] is a recreation."
What drugs? Please. That's so combative it's funny. Lemme pick one at random: HEROIN! Wasn't that the one with which Hoon blew his brains out?
>Abuse and excess of anything is a problem. It shouldn't be mixed with >the different and separate issue of "suicide".
Abuse and excess of anything is a problem, but who is to say that it shouldn't be mixed with the issue of suicide? Abuse and excess is an unreasonable risk.
>Otherwise we will have to say that eating that pizza is suicide >because you're clogging your arteries...
Hehehe. It IS! Eating a few pieces of pizza is fine. It's a reasonable risk. "Pizza isn't very good for me, but it's only a few pieces....I'll hit the gym tomorrow...I'll have a salad tomorrow..." No problem. Gluttony, however, is the disregard for personal health to the point that the possibility of death holds no weight (no pun intended) to the person. Loss of respect for life. Cry for help. Suicide.
People who habitually use drugs are asking to die. People who habitually try to cheat death in thrill-seeking activities are asking to die. People who do not take care of their bodies are asking to die. Much in the same way as someone who hurls himself from atop a building. The only variable is time.
Steve Z
ps, this is NOT a personal attack on Mr. Hansen. He has a lot of good point, I just don't happen to agree.
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:52:26 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: vibrato Message-ID: <199812503653741@ix.netcom.com>
<<It takes soul out of your playing, especially when you need to play a guitar without a floating trem. I blocked off the trem in my 7 string about 2 years ago, and as a result, I now have a TON of control over my vibrato. I can get almost any vibrato sound I want, except for that circular vibrato, which is just not my bag, I guess.>>
WRONG! In every article I have read with David Gilmour, he has claimed that a good large percent of the time, his vibrato comes from the arm of his Strat. Anyone who says that using the vibrato arm takes the soul out of your playing has not heard him play. He probably has one of the most soulful and vocal - like vibratos I have ever heard, and Id say a good 80% of them come from the vibrato arm.
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:21:06 -0500 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: AL and Superior; I'm 'Behind' you Message-ID: <022601be201f$f3540f40$8019efce@Kez>
The YtseProgtologist remarked:
>I have had a chance to listen to Superior's "Behind" several times. >(Not a fucking word, Korg. I know it sounds bad) >This CD is a MUST Have for all DT & Fates fans. They are NOT just >another clone band, they have a unique sound of their own. Very cool. >As I mentioned before, the recording is great and the performance is first rate. >I will also "Take The Time" to retract my little complaint about the guitar tone. >I mentioned that *I* would have liked a warmer tone. Now I feel that the dry >crunchy sound is a perfect contrast to the rest of the instruments. Nice work! > >Have I told you that Superior kicks ass? >
Preaching to the choir here, AL. Have you come around on your feelings about Younique yet? Keep listening. I think you will.
Superior rocks my world. Oh, and DT too.
Kez
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:46:11 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: kewl web site Message-ID: <60f7e546.3668e4c3@aol.com>
Hey peoples! Here is a kewl wep site a friend of mine ordered me to check out :} <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Rokrep69/rockreport.html">The Hard Rock Society</A> http://members.aol.com/Rokrep69/rockreport.html yes, I know, HORROR! its on AOL but its pretty damn kewl, so go look anyway! there are a multitude of links and stuff on there so everyone go check it out.
~Lisa DragynLMC3@aol.com http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html If I look confused it's because I'm thinking. -Samuel Goldwyn
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:56:08 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Prog metal/jazz fusion... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981205015556.14288A-100000@crane.cds.caltech.edu>
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Eric Marlett" <emarlett@hotmail.com> > > > I was just reading through some of the posts regarding this thread, and > the discussion of Cynic and similar bands fascinated me. I think it was > Younis who brought up Cynic....do you think you could name some other > good bands in that jazz/metal genre that you would recommend trying out? Echosilence. Estonian band. They have no CDs out. They have 4 mp3s of studio-quality recordings that you can download from their homepage. Excellent shit. All-instrumental. http://www.estnet.ee/karu/cgi-bin/echoindex.cgi
Atheist This band isn't around any more, and it's a shame. Their last CD, Elements, was an awesome piece of work. I only have Elements and their first one, Piece of Time. Piece of Time is really a thrash CD, but it's fairly technical thrash. Guess I'd call it early Watchtower without the crack:). Elements has a fusion instrumental on it, and the instrumental sections through the rest of the songs also have some strong fusion influences IMO. Definitely recommended. Only CD I don't have by them is their second, Unquestionable Presence. I don't know what it's like, but I'll buy it if I ever find it. The bassist on UP and Elements, Tony Choy, was Cynic's bassist before he took off and he was replaced by Sean Malone. Should give you an idea of the caliber of play to expect.
Sieges Even German band. Their music has gone through some very radical changes since their debut. Their stuff is amazing. Their last 2 CDs, Sophisticated and Uneven, are both in the same vein: jazz-and-funk-influenced metal. Before you dismiss them by saying "I don't wanna hear any funk," I strongly recommend you check out the way they pull this off. The guitarist, bassist, and drummer have chops coming out of all their body orifices, and some of the stuff they manage to pull off will make your jaw drop. You've got to hear this stuff for yourself. If you want, I've got some mp3s I can send you. You can get their CDs from Laser's Edge.
"Cortlandt" by Sean Malone This is just a jazz CD. Nothing metal-ish about it. I think it's worth a mention because it fits into the "metal artists who do a jazz CD" category. It features the two Seans from Cynic (Malone and Reinert) on bass/stick and drums. Excellent stuff. I was pretty impressed. Not sure where you'd get this from. Try looking around on Sean Malone's homepage. Failing that, you could try writing to: Audio Image Records, P.O. Box 4201, Davis, CA 95617. I got mine from Audio Image when it came out a little over 2 years ago now.
2 CDs that I'm waiting to get my hands on from Laser's Edge that probably fit into this category are Sean Malone's "Gordian Knot" (due out in January) and Spiral Architect's "A Sceptics Universe" (maybe March). You might wanna get these too.
Special mention: Meshuggah, mainly because of Tomas Haake's drumming. I have a clip of an interview with Haake where he cites Sean Reinert and Vinnie Colaiuta as two influences on his playing. Having heard some of his playing, I must say the way this guy handles polyrhythms and odd-time playing is really something you should hear for yourself. His playing through Meshuggah's riffs is so smooth with a great combination of grace and power that at timesit strongly reminds me of Billy Cobham on Mahavishnu Orchestra's Inner Mounting Flame and Birds of Fire. You can get Meshuggah's stuff from Nuclear Blast at http://www.nuclearblast-usa.com/
Anyway, that's all the bands I can put down, after scanning through my collection. Kind of a short list, I know, but, hey! this shit is hard to find.
NP: Mayadome---"Paranormal Activity"
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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