YTSEJAM Digest 4480
Today's Topics:
1) The ultimate Behind
by AL <al@isd.net>
2) The Ytse-Paranormal <Redundant?
by AL <al@isd.net>
3) Re: Jazz-metal stuff; forgot one
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
4) Very short NDTC :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) Vibrato
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
6) space needed for Type O Archive
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
7) drum tabs
by "Dario" <ciccio@nf.infotel.it>
8) CHRISTMAS CD?
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
9) DRAWING FOR DREAM THEATER STUFF mid December
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
10) DT bootlegs !
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
11) Checking out a really nice Behind :)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
12) Anti-Guitarist
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
13) Re: Anti-Guitarist
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
14) Re: Anti-Guitarist
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) Re: UK (the group) FYI (NDTC)
by Darth1@aol.com
16) "90s Guitarists"
by Uroborosss@aol.com
17) Vibrato
by Uroborosss@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 06:16:55 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The ultimate Behind
Message-ID: <36692437.8708CE47@isd.net>
Kez wrote:
>Preaching to the choir here, AL. Have you come around on your feelings about
>Younique yet? Keep listening. I think you will.
I don't have that one, yet. So it's safe to say: I never mentioned anything
about YOUnique. But I will now:) I'm going to order it this weekend.
Thanks for twisting my arm. <grin>
>Superior rocks my world. Oh, and DT too.
No shit! Hey Jammers, if you've been thinking about ordering
"Behind" by Superior, stop thinking and start ordering! You won't
be disappointed.
-- AL... The Ytse-ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 06:52:29 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Ytse-Paranormal <Redundant? Message-ID: <36692C8D.5C81963B@isd.net>
Wanna see some scary shit?
Look a # 4477. Pay close attention to the subject lines of the first and last posts. Coincidence?
The really scary shit... Is that I noticed it! -- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This signature file is temporarily out of service. The file is under review and is pending civil litigation trial outcome. (See Marx Entertainment vs. Ytse-Al)
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 05:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Jazz-metal stuff; forgot one Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981205050454.14325C-100000@crane.cds.caltech.edu>
Forgot to mention one other band. Nathan Van De Wouw, the drummer for Lemur Voice, is involved in a side-project called Elysion. Haven't ordered it yet. Check the Lemur Voice homepage for info and mp3 clips (the clips sound promising): http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:32:11 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Very short NDTC :) Message-ID: <366919BB.EF43A441@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:56:44 -0800 (PST) > From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> > > How about people who die in hang-gliding or ski-diving accidents? > They took a risk to get a high, and they lost. Did they commit > suicide? No one forced them to jump out of a > perfectly good airplane!
R O T F L
Woohoo!!! The good old British type humour to me! :) I love it! --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:08:41 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Vibrato Message-ID: <000901be207a$4b54cc20$19739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
Uh oh... I guess this means I actually have to say it.
I'm not a Gilmour fan. Of all the Floyd I've heard, I've been impressed by about one quarter of the solos. I don't think he's all that remarkable. He certainly doesn't have a very wide and varied selection of vibrato sounds, for the purposes of this discussion. This is just one situation where I readily admit _I'M abnormal._ However, that doesn't change a thing. You have evidence of one guitarist who claims to get a large percent of his vibrato from the whammy. Whether that's true or not, or whether he was refering to a particular solo or not in that interview, that's one example. Put that against the hundreds of other guitarists who we all love who do not, and you see half of the basis for my statement. The finest vibrato and the greatest vibrato control comes from a hands on approach, IMO. I've already cited examples, as well as provided examples of people who have great vibrato with or without a trem. My point wasn't even that the trem is bad, in any way. It's merely that trem vibrato is generally not as expressive, and that using the trem as a crutch (i.e. not being able to do normal vibrato) will turn around and bite you in the ass one day, if you plan on being a professional musician.
May all the Gilmour fans come get some.
- Chris
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 13:14:03 -0800 From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> To: cv2@cv.org Subject: space needed for Type O Archive Message-ID: <3669A21B.18@dreamt.org>
PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY
Hi, everyone, hate to bring this up here, since I know it is way off topic, but I'm desperately seeking someone with unimited web space that would be nice enough to help me out, and no one on the Type O list will help me out. I want to start a Type O Negative sound archive. It will feature entire Type O concerts as well as B-Sides, outtakes, and rarities in mp3 format. Since it will NOT include songs from any of Type O's albums or soundtrack appearances, there will be no copyright infringments and it won't hurt the band's record sales. I DESPERATELY need a place to store a couple hundreds MB of files. If someone wants to be a part of this and get their name credited on the site, please email me.
Brian
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:55:18 +0100 From: "Dario" <ciccio@nf.infotel.it> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: drum tabs Message-ID: <m0zmNhn-002F88C@by>
Hi, I'm going crazy, looking for a software. I mean something to write drum tabs on my PC.(NO MAC, please)(I can't find it!!!!) Send me everything you can:web sites,web pages,e-mails,and all the informations. Thank U.
DARIO
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:09:15 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CHRISTMAS CD? Message-ID: <001701be2083$d4e90c40$1b710ed1@matiasfr>
Hi There!! Any one knows when they send the Christmas cd? Im have time to subscribe? Thanxx Matija.
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 14:40:46 -0800 From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DRAWING FOR DREAM THEATER STUFF mid December Message-ID: <199812051941.OAA14017@camel14.mindspring.com>
ENDS SOON!!!!!!
Check out www.dreamt.org (in merchandise section)
www.dreamt.org
www.dreamt.org
www.dreamt.org
SEE HOW YOU CAN ENTER THE DRAWING!!
CONTEST ENDS MID DECEMBER!*******
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 21:14:51 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT bootlegs ! Message-ID: <366A12CB.4FF1@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
My record shop has some NEW copies of DT's Live And Alive 1 & 2 CD's. This time each CD costs 19,90 DM. It makes 15 $ INC POSTANE AND PACKAGE. Both CD's will cost 25 $ inc postage and package. If some of you guys are interested, I can get some copies for you. Just email me.
DREAM THEATER - LIVE AND ALIVE I 1992
1) Metropolis 9:06 2)A Fortune In Lies 5:00 3)Under A Glass Moon 6:55 4)Surrounded 5:48 5)The Ytsejam/Drum solo 8:40 6)Another Day 4:27 7The Killing Hand 10:01 8)Pull Me Under 7:54 -------- DREAM THEATER - LIVE AND ALIVE II 1992
1)Take The Time 10:22 2)Wait For Sleep 4:00 3)Learning To Live 12:53 4)Metropolis 10:22 <--- VOCALS BY CHARLIE DOMINICI !!!! 5)Afterlife 5:31 <--- VOCALS BY CHARLIE DOMINICI 6)Forever 4:48 <--- VOCALS BY CHARLIE DOMINICI 7)Guitar Solo 4:44 8)Only A Matter Of Time 6:37
Track 4,5 & 6 recorded in 1989
Yes. METROPOLIS I with Charlie Dominici on vocals.
P.S. The record shop has also a very good sounding RUSH bootleg from the "Roll The Bones" tour 1992. This CD also costs (19,90 DM) 15 $ inc postage and package.
NP : Arena - The Visitor
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 17:58:45 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Checking out a really nice Behind :) Message-ID: <3669BAA5.2D5466B6@home.com>
Al The Progtologist remarked (about Superior's Behind) > >I will also "Take The Time" to retract my little complaint about the guitar > tone. I mentioned that *I* would have liked a warmer tone. Now I feel that the dry > >crunchy sound is a perfect contrast to the rest of the instruments.
Wow! I totally agree with your new assessment of the guitar tone Al! When you originally posted about not liking the guitar tone I was going to post my disagreement, but forgot. I really feel that dry, crunchy sound gives it an adrenalizing 'edge' that's lacking in some CD's. In fact it's definitely one of my favorite points about the CD!
> >Have I told you that Superior kicks ass?
Yes. But go ahead again. :)
Mr. Kez said: > Preaching to the choir here, AL. Have you come around on your feelings about > Younique yet? Keep listening. I think you will.
OK, I believe Kez is thinking about somebody else here. To the best of my knowledge, our friendly neighborhood Progtologist doesn't have Younique yet. If he does...... "AL! You've been holding out on me man! WTF?"
NP: Titanica - "Try Again" ;p (does anybody else here like Mr. Show?) --
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:32:47 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Anti-Guitarist Message-ID: <3669D0AF.899173ED@bu.edu>
> > Romeo can count, but he is the anti-guitarist, IMO. > > What exactly do you mean by this? > As I have stated before, I HATE Romeo's playing. It sets progressive music back a decade. Yeah, his technique is good, but his playing becomes tiresome and lacks imagination. To me technique is useless unless there is something creative and imaginative behind it. Romeo falls under that category. His playing is full of cliches and is so cheesey. When was the last time he did anything that took anyone by surprise? Oh look he playing a fast palm-muted rhythm and playing 64th notes over it for the 12th time this album... Romeo is one of the last guitarists I'd want to listen to in any genre. I hope this clears up my previous statement. :)
Isaac
-- "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."-- Helmet
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:48:14 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Anti-Guitarist Message-ID: <000b01be20ba$85d83ea0$306716cb@graham>
>As I have stated before, I HATE Romeo's playing. It sets progressive >music back a decade. Yeah, his technique is good, but his playing >becomes tiresome and lacks imagination. To me technique is useless >unless there is something creative and imaginative behind it. Romeo >falls under that category. His playing is full of cliches and is so >cheesey. When was the last time he did anything that took anyone by >surprise? Oh look he playing a fast palm-muted rhythm and playing 64th >notes over it for the 12th time this album... Romeo is one of the last >guitarists I'd want to listen to in any genre. I hope this clears up my >previous statement. :)
You need your head, eyes and ears examined mate :P Take one look at his instructional guitar video and I bet you change your mind............ Your entitled to your opinion, but I seriously doubt if you'd have too many people it :) You hate his playing, but this dosen't make him a bad player, it's just that you can't appreciate his obvious talent :P Please tell me how his playing is 'cheesey' ?
GaZ
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:53:58 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Anti-Guitarist Message-ID: <000801be20c3$ad3cd830$3c0d84d0@korgx3>
>Please tell me how his playing is 'cheesey' ?
He pisses molten Velveeta.
There, now this can't be a one-liner. :)
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 02:29:02 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: UK (the group) FYI (NDTC) Message-ID: <67a00abf.366a323e@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/2/98 11:22:49 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> I'd also like to recommend a few CDs you really should check out: In the > court > of the crimson king by king crimson, trick of the tail by genesis, going for > > the one by yes and UK by UK.
A friend of mine showed me one of his UK albums the other day and I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the group consisted of: John Wetton, Alan Holdsworth (I think), and... the great Terry Bozzio on drums! I thought Terry was playing with Zappa in the late '70s... I guess not.
Josh S.
NP: Cheap Trick - Live at the Budokan, the Complete Concert - "Surrender"
-- Now it comes... Bold across the blue... Shadows dance over the land... Walls high, water deep Brick and steel gathering speed Guess it's just a feeling ...Guess it's just a feeling...
-- Devin Townsend
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 03:53:55 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: "90s Guitarists" Message-ID: <be562a34.366a4623@aol.com>
Luckily I have a short list, only four players I can think of who perfectly embody "90s guitar" as I've heard it defined. (Of course there are more than four out there, and there are lots of reasons for picking this or that guitarist.) The four I picked are technically gifted, but each branches out and knocks you on your ass when you aren't looking. Non-repeaters of style, basically. I know that's not much, but these four do things the 80s didn't see much of, and I don't feel like boring everyone with a long shpiel about My Favorite Guitarsts, so I'm forcing myself to limit the list. These dudes have worked with lots of people, and you can only imitate their licks for so long before they're doing something you haven't heard them do before. I don't think I could imitate any of these four, not the technical aspects, not the rate of change their playing undergoes on a yearly basis (I couldn't predict what their next solo would sound like).
In no order - Jennifer Batten, Blues Saraceno, Ron Thal, John Petrucci. Each of these players has done a slew of different things, and every time you see or hear them in a live setting they've written something new. Batten has done some stuff I can't stand (Doc Tahri), but at least I can say she isn't limiting herself to metal or nonstop-tapping a la "Above, Below, & Beyond." Her licks combine the technical mastery the last two decades have almost DEMANDED of guitarists with good bits of experimental ("agonizing") fusion-ish and jazz-ish stuff. Saraceno's albums are an evolution, his style is a hard one to classify. But is "Never Look Back" anywhere near his work with Lenny Kravitz? Thal and Petrucci have done some KICKASS stuff for video games which I'm sure I'll never hear anywhere other than the websites I found them on. But otherwise, Thal is a house of chaos, creatively and technically, and Petrucci seems to get better each time I see him (even though I kind of wish he'd get away from that Picasso design). I could easily consider any of these four to be virtuosos, but that could be because I'm wrong. :)
Yngwie Malmsteen isn't on that list because he's been playing the same way for a long, long time. Joe Satriani and Steve Vai have been at it a long time too, and could probably go on that list because they continue to challenge themselves, and in Vai's case the music just never stops flowing, and neither does his distinct yet ambiguous technique. Eric Johnson gets honorable mention for never changing but remaining the most consistent breath of fresh air the world of guitar has to offer. Dimebag Darrell is too vicious to be placed on a list with anyone, except for maybe Mike Tyson and Hannibal Lecter.
That's not much, but off the top of my head, Batten and Saraceno and Thal and Petrucci are damn colorful musicians and I hope they keep it up. Nothing stagnant about any of 'em.
Bafu Vai
p.s. Gary Hoey.
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 04:26:51 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Vibrato Message-ID: <227a95c1.366a4ddb@aol.com>
I'll begin by saying my vibrato sucks. It's something I've never understood. I do know that a long, sustaining sound helps an awful lot if you're trying to practice, so if your amp produces a lot of gain or feedback, hit that long note and let the left hand go to work. Practice is the only answer, there are no shortcuts to this technique and there's nothing about long fingers or a strong forearm that will give you an advantage. Vibrato doesn't come easily, it really is something that has to be perfected. Subtle as it is, it's one of the hardest things to do well ("well" defined as "doesn't sound like Angus Young"). And being able to do different types of vibrato is probably the most useful augmenter around, it can really make your technique SING.
Vibrato is a technique that has to be whipped out without warning. It must be on call at all times. The best blues players around can hit a note and WAIL the vibrato without preparation, I mean their left hand is already wobbling around before the pick even hits the strings. I myself recently broke out of the "stalled vibrato" mode where I couldn't engage vibrato until I'd been holding the note for about a half second. Then again, I can only do up-down vibrato, I have no idea how that "pinball ricocheting back and forth between the frets" vibrato is done or practiced. (Richie Sambora might not be big on sweep-picking, but wow, vibrato that kills) To build up vibrato so it can be fired without preparation, try to practice a fast ascending scale, and on the last note hit that vibrato hard and fast, with your pinky especially. Don't hold the note for any length of time as a flat sound, make it waver as soon as possible. Listen to Malmsteen for examples of this. Being able to slam a finger down on a particular string and vibrato immediately is a hard thing to do. I'm not talking about your finger already being ON the string, and THEN making it waver, I mean doing a trill and all of a sudden one of the lightning-quick notes goes BWAWAWAWAWA as the finger hits the fretboard. I strongly suggest you practice engaging the vibrato in the quickest and most difficult drills you can think of. You must be able to break out of a scale into a sudden, sweet, wide vibrato with the quickness and ease of a ninja who draws his katana and slashes his victim's throat in one smooth motion.
As for intervals, vibratoing over one and a half steps, or simple hard bends that bring a G up to an A on the high-E string, I suggest you grab an acoustic. Nothing prepares the fingers for vibrato on a guitar with .009s quite like vibrato and bends on an acoustic with .012's. If you have no acoustic, try mastering the low-E and A strings on your electric. If you have thick callouses, your fingers won't feel the bite of the high strings, so if you've got the thick strings under control the higher ones won't hurt. But watch out for that G-string, that's one flexible bastard that can get way out of control. That string requires serious control. If, like me, your callouses are far from numb, the higher strings are going to sting so mastering the heavier strings will yield only strength instead of strength and control. To really control the higher strings you need as little pain going on as possible. ;)
If you can already vibrato at a constant pace, try using the whammy bar at the same pace as your vibratoing finger. This will create some snooty and pretentious "wider-than-thou" vibrato. And for anyone interested in what I consider one of the hardest vibrato "control" exercises around, try pushing the whammy bar down as you bend the note up with your fretting hand, then as you release the note back down with your fretting hand, pull the whammy bar back up. The idea is to keep the note in one place while moving two opposing forces around it. Musically it serves no purpose - it's all about CONTROL. Keep the note at a single pitch while wavering both your fretting finger AND the whammy bar. Once you get it down (which I know you will), try changing the width of the un-vibrato, then try changing the rate, then try changing both like a stalling car engine. My point is, if you can work these two forces in direct opposition and keep that note at exactly the same pitch throughout, you have the mental capacity to juggle ANY technique that requires strange "out of sync" tandem between the hands. If you can do this fluidly, working it into any spot within your playing, you will have no trouble focusing on (1) just the bar or (2) just your fretting hand. Splitting them apart into individual sources of vibrato AFTER successfully moving the two simultaneously is absolute cake.
As with any technique, I could babble about this for a really long time. But until my own vibrato gets better than the weak-ass stuff I'm doing now, I'm gonna shut up. :)
Bafu Vai
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