YTSEJAM Digest 4486
Today's Topics:
1) Adress change (fwd)
by Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch>
2) Re: I gotta get on caribe.net
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
3) RE : 7 strings
by Pieter.Serruys@hydro.com
4) 7 Strings and Advertisements
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4472
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
6) Virginia Jammers
by Rocky Pulley <rpulley@pcdata.com>
7) attn:YTSEJAMERS MERRY XMAS deadline for OFFER********
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
8) answer to "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net> about string number
by "mosempri" <mosempri@tin.it>
9) Oh, one more 7 string thing
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
10) Help me with my collection!
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
11) All Too Human - Forever And A Day
by "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
12) RE: Help me with my collection!
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
13) Re: 7 Strings and Advertisements
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
14) termination of e-mail
by "Donald W. Howes" <howes.donald@mcleodusa.net>
15) Re: Help me with my collection!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
16) gg: E - L + P (fwd)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:07:36 +0100 (CET)
From: Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch>
To: Snap Tabin <SnapTabin@aol.com>, Rob <RDeMart107@aol.com>,
Subject: Adress change (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981208170613.15611G-100000@dwarf.studi.unizh.ch>
Hi folks,
in case you have been using my adress rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch (by simple
'reply to mail'), change it now in case I'm still in your adress list.
The new adresses will be choonkang@access.unizh.ch or the regular adress
choonkang@the.site.ch
Cheers
Choon-Kang
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Keep your DREAMs alive, don't get pulled under in the world's THEATER of
infinitely falling and changing seasons...
choonkang@the.site.ch
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:19 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: I gotta get on caribe.net
Message-ID: <199812081612.IAA16342@knight.axnet.net>
Two words: Time zones.
-TheHand has no watch
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:48:35 +0100
From: Pieter.Serruys@hydro.com
To: Ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE : 7 strings
Message-ID: <412566D4.005C549C.00@osla28smtp.hda.hydro.com>
> This has nothing to do with the two quoted lines above, except that it's
> also about 7-strings. Awhile ago - i can't remember if it was on the Jam
-
> somebody said that he/she thought that there are really few people/bands
> who use a 7-string creatively. Most of the time, according to that
person,
> the 7-string is only used to sound heavier, but for solo's and bizarre
> chords and all, that seventh string is almost always left unused...
It might change a bit now that Ibanez came out with a 7-string archtop and
electro-acoustic. I also think it takes a while for a guitarist to get used
to the extra string. I've had mine now for about 6 months and I'm still not
really used to it.
Did you know BTW that the person who created the first 7 string guitar was
Russian ? Instead of a lower string he tried to put on a higher one, but
he had some trouble with the tension for some awkward reason and his string
was breaking all the time. He also lost three fingers trying to play it.
Thought you'd like to know. It could be crap though.
Pieter
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:58:04 -0600
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 7 Strings and Advertisements
Message-ID: <000501be22cb$ed3791a0$5f739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
Hey all.
I play 7 string. I chose to because I wanted to get a lower more brutal
sound, without tuning the guitar down. The benefits are that I have a wider
range by a 4th, which does actually make a difference, I can hit all the
same chords in the same places (if I tuned the guitar differently, the
chords would be in parallel but different places, or perhaps in completely
different shapes altogether) and perhaps most important to all of us quick
pickers, the strings aren't slack and floppy.
How can you tell for sure if a song is 7 string or not? You can't do it
by ear. Many bands tune regular guitars down to B or A or even lower... 6
string guitars. They can go as low as any 7 string. You're not going to be
able to tell by the high range either unless you know how many frets the
guitar has... and if you know that, you should probably know how many
strings it has by sight. The only way you can really know is by seeing the
band, or asking the player/reading about the performance.
7 Strings don't offer a huge advantage. If you can't make a weird chord
on a 6 string, there's no reason to believe you will on a 7 string. If you
do know how to build chords, you can make some more wide open voicings,
though most 7 stringers stick to power chords (except the jazz dudes).
They're a convenience, not a necessity. I just happen to think it's
convenient enough to have bought one.
Anyone else sick to SHIT of all the ads on the jam? "I'm selling this
disc" and "I'm selling these products" shit like that isn't a discussion...
it's an ad. And the same people are selling the same shit week after week.
I just had to comment.
- Chris
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:04:36 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4472
Message-ID: <27909B0665D@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
Hi all,
I've been ill, so haven't ready any of the 'Jam for a bit. Someone
was talking about the new Star Wars film, who sounded like they know
of these things. I heard a rumour that, of all people Ash, had been
asked to provide music for the soundtrack. Please, someone tell me
that this is bullshit!! Second-rate trash pop bands should not be
allowed into sacred films!!
Si
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:13:47 -0500
From: Rocky Pulley <rpulley@pcdata.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Virginia Jammers
Message-ID: <C1FC52D409C4D111966600609794073C226E98@pc10.pcdata.com>
Hey guys, I'm in a band that plays in Springfield VA, we are looking for
a singer, doesn't have to be a James LaBrie, but that would be nice. We
are currently writing a bunch of originals, but we play around with a
ton of DT covers. The ones we do all the way through are Metropolis,
PMU, Mirror/Lie, ACoS part 1, and Surrounded, but we play pretty much
all of the songs off of I&W, and Awake, we just haven't devoted our time
to learning all of the parts besides the ones I just listed. Right now
we have a Guitar Player (7 string), Bass Player (5 string), Drummer
(very nice kit), and a Keyboard player (Korg N364, Alesis QS7)(me).
===========================================
Rocky Dean Pulley
rpulley@pcdata.com
PC Data, Inc.
(703) 435-1025 x133
"You can feel the waves coming on,
Let them destroy you, or carry you on."
===========================================
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:13:26 -0800
From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: attn:YTSEJAMERS MERRY XMAS deadline for OFFER********
Message-ID: <199812081714.MAA21421@smtp3.mindspring.com>
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:42:34 +0100
From: "mosempri" <mosempri@tin.it>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: answer to "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net> about string number
Message-ID: <001701be22da$85c5cbe0$d785d8d4@morenose>
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Have you erer listen to PUPPIES ON ACID ?
I think that the riff is in B. To produce all the power DT have in that =
song, you must have almost a 5 sting bass because with a 4 strings, the =
deepest B you can do is in the 7th freet of the E string and is not very =
deep and powerful as the free-B string.
To sum up (for the bass), if you have more srings you can not only have =
more notes in each position but also have more different sounds (the =
best is the STICK)
Moreno
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:41:34 -0600
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Oh, one more 7 string thing
Message-ID: <001101be22da$62a75160$04809c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
]From: "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net>
> I always thought this was kind of funny. Bassists have been
> using 5 and 6 strings for much longer than guitarists were using
> 7's.
You sure you want to stand by that? George Van Eps and several other
jazz playes have been using 7 strings since the 30's or before, I believe.
The first guitars were offspring of the lute, which has many more strings
that a guitar. I am almost positive that there were 8 and 10 string guitars
before the turn of the century. I can do some research, if required.
Bass began with 4 strings, and classically it still has 4 strings. 5
string basses haven't been around all that comparatively long.
> But only when guitar players got the lower notes, was their music
> in lower keys.
What guitarist would write a song in a key that he can't play? I mean,
there have been songs in all 12 keys for a long ass time, but on electric
guitar, your low E is as low as you can go. It seems like your last
statement is sort of.... dumb.
> I always thought it was stupid to buy a 7 string, or a 5 string
> bass for that purpose, just so you can play everything lower.
> That's not the point.
Note choice is the SPECIFIC point. If something calls for a low note,
it seems intelligent to play the note there.
> With more strings you have more notes in each position, allowing
> for new voicings, not just lower ones. Maybe this is not just
> irresponsibility on the part of guitar players, but also shows how
> everyone just follows them in music these days. Either way it
> exposes some poor habits in music.
First off, who doesn't use new voicings? Even KoRn does. JP has a
couple. Van Eps was ALL 7 string voicings. Some people just want lower
pitched power chords, but that's appropriate in some styles of music (metal,
prog metal etc). What do you want?
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:15:28 -0500
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Cc: "'jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu'" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Help me with my collection!
Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF05000D1@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> Your mission, should you choose to accept it,
>> is to puruse my likes and dislikes and offer suggestions
>> for me as to where to look for the next great band in my
>> collection.
OK, here goes !! KANSAS. It's amazing how good they continue to sound
although they do sound a bit dated now (the good stuff is 20+ years old).
The beauty of them is that their popular CDs actually contain some of their
best work so you can find it easily and you can normally find them in the
Nice Price bin !! And since they have a violin player, the *must* be
progressive.
Point of Know Return. A classic. The masses bought this for the acoustic
ditty Dust in the Wind. But hold on as you get blasted with the prog-metal
likes of Hopelessly Human and Closet Chronicles. And this CD also has some
good rather straight forward rock/metal songs like the title track and
Sparks of the Tempest. If you are one of those odd-time-signature freaks,
the short lead in to the song Portrait called The Spider will have you
running for your calculators (is it really in 73/8 ??) !!
Leftoverture. The masses bought this for Carry on Wayward Son which is a
decent rock song. But once again the masses were kindly treated to the
likes of Miracles out of Nowhere and Magnum Opus. A little less metal
sounds than PoKR but great songwriting.
Kansas (self titled). Their first CD has some more classics like Journey
]From Marriabron, Apercu and Death of Mother Nature Suite although the rest
of the CD is peculiar at best. And I hate the sound of the CD, but recall
that this was their first one which was probably recorded in their basement.
While the above is great, I completely dislike most of their post 1970's
material. With few exceptions I find it unintelligent and uninteresting
rock that anyone could have written. I know that Steve Morse played on some
of it, but to me the songwriting by then was junk and Morse's brilliance
never showed through.
DTC = MP supposedly loves Kansas !!
Ho-Ho-Ho,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@comversens.com
PS - Did you know that Steve Smith of Journey fame - who is great - recorded
his drums in the men's room for the acoustics ?? Does anyone else do that
(other than George Michael, hehehehe) ??
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:45 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: All Too Human - Forever And A Day
Message-ID: <199812082145.dtNg@memo-smtp.sto.sema.se>
--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 98-12-08 22.45
ALL TOO HUMAN - Forever and a Day TEXAS
Betyg: * * * * 1998
R/R RECORDS
ATH-0189-RR
L=E5tarna:
1. What Do You Call Me Now?
2. Intro/Forever and a Day
3. Life Begins Anew
4. An Untitled Masterpiece
5. A Walk Through Iowa Park
6. Souls On A Mortal High
7. Dismal Array
8. The Limits of Man
9. Camel's Revenge
All Too Human best=E5r av:
Chris Lucci - Trummor och Percussion
Chris McIuan - El- och Akustiska Gitarrer
Maurice Taylor - Bas, Akustisk gitarr, Keyboards
Paul Vander - S=E5ng
All Too Human kommer fr=E5n Texas och spelar progressiv metal. Det
h=E4r =E4r deras sj=E4lvproducerade och sj=E4lvfinansierade debut CD. Do=
m
=E4r influerade av grupper som Rush, Queensryche, Dream Theater, Led
Zeppelin, Marillion och Black Sabbath. Fans av Queensryche kommer
troligtvis att gilla den h=E4r CD:n. S=E5ngaren Paul Vander l=E5ter
v=E4ldigt influerad av Geoff Tate (Queensryche) och Geddy Lee
(Rush), stundtals n=E4stan sl=E5ende lika Geoff Tate. Ett v=E4ldigt bra
betyg eftersom Geoff Tate i mitt tycke tillh=F6r eliten bland
rocks=E5ngare. Efter att ha h=F6rt Paul Vander sjunga f=E5r nog ocks=E5
han r=E4knas in bland dessa.
Merparten av l=E5tarna h=E4rstammar fr=E5n ett projekt kallat Muzix som
Maurice Taylor och Chris Lucci spelade i tidigare. Merparten av
l=E5tarna =E4r byggda runt effektiva bas och gitarr riff, med m=E5nga
tempo=E4ndringar och arrangemang. N=E4st efter s=E5ngaren Paul Vander s=E5
imponerar trummisen Chris Lucci mest.
Mina favoritsp=E5r =E4r "What Do You Call Me Now?", "Forever and a
Day", "Life Begins Anew", "The Limits of Man" och "Camel's
Revenge". L=E5ten "Dismal Array" inneh=E5ller samplade ljud bl.a. av
Abe fr=E5n dataspelet "Odd World" + lite andra ljud h=E4mtade fr=E5n
"Odd World". En kul grej f=F6r den som n=E5gon g=E5ng spelat detta
eminenta spel.
Det =E4r ett mycket imponerande album f=F6r att vara en
sj=E4lvproducerat debut CD.
Bandet skriver f=F6r n=E4rvarande p=E5 nytt material och planerar att
p=E5b=F6rja inspelningar f=F6r ett nytt album i b=F6rjan av 1999. Jag tr=
or
att det kommer att visa ett mer utvecklat All Too Human.
Website : http://www.alltoohuman.com
Email : alltoohu@slip.net
-av Greger R=F6nnqvist-
Email: greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
Snail Mail: Greger Ronnqvist
Risselasvagen 66 B
833 35 Stromsund
Sweden
ICQ No: 17275819
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:10:27 -0800
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: Help me with my collection!
Message-ID: <001601be22f7$8fca0300$de4756ce@p5-150>
OK, here's some quick recommendations:
Conception - There are four CDs. The first seems like more standard metal,
and they get more progressive with each release. The last CD, "Flow" is an
all time classic, in my opinion. "In Your Multitude" is also amazing.
Threshold - Psychedellicatessin (or something like that. I can't spell the
title unless I have the cd case in front of me). Kick ass prog metal
Zero Hour - s/t The first disc from this new band.
Crises - Broken Glass. If you like Superior, you'll probably like this.
If you like Fates Warning, you'll probably like The Quiet Room
If you want to venture out of the prog metal zone, and like bands like Pink
Floyd, then I recommend hearing both Porcupine Tree and Ozric Tentacles.
I'm sure there' s more stuff that I can't remember at the moment...
Dave Thomas - Editor
Pixel Planet - Reviews of Books, Games, Comics, CDs, Movies, CG Software,
Programming Tools And More!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:01:22 -0000
From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: 7 Strings and Advertisements
Message-ID: <017401be22d0$99c32e80$6bb533d1@i9web>
> Anyone else sick to SHIT of all the ads on the jam? "I'm selling this
Well if its individuals that have found these things and are selling them, i
think its good for people to be able to get the music that they want...
Beyond that? pfft,... whatever.. It only takes 0.4 seconds to delete mail
=)
Peace,
Jim
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:34:24 -0600
From: "Donald W. Howes" <howes.donald@mcleodusa.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: termination of e-mail
Message-ID: <366DA970.2BA4@mcleodusa.net>
Please terminate all e-mail to this address.
howes.donald@mcleodusa.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:27:58 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Help me with my collection!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9812082126180.9694-100000@jaca>
On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Metzger, Mark wrote:
> OK, here goes !! KANSAS.
(...)
How could I forget to mention these guys!? I second the
recommendations, Mark.
> DTC = MP supposedly loves Kansas !!
And you forgot to mention that they covered "Carry On Wayward Son"
on the ACoS EP, in the medley.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:32:32 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: rbrito-nectar@ime.usp.br Subject: gg: E - L + P (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9812081520500.1439-100000@jaca>
Oooops!
I just thought you might want to know about this, since I have not read it anywhere besides the Gentle Giant list...
[]s, Roger...
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 02:02:05 -0200 ]From: Helton Barbuto <hbmusic@sti.com.br> To: O-R list <on-reflection-digest@lists.uoregon.edu> Subject: gg: E - L + P
Greg Lake quit ELP !
Check Mr.Lake's message at <http://www.dynrec.com/lake/message1298.html>
Now it's time to reform "3" or find a new _L_ bass player!!!
Helton np: Fire Merchants - s/t
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