YTSEJAM Digest 4494
Today's Topics:
1) Re: LaBrie's voice
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
2) LaBrie's voice
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
3) Liquid Tension Latest
by Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
4) Legenda
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
5) Re: Mike Portnoy website....
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4492
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
7) John Williams
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
8) John Williams and JLB
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
9) Re: ytsejam.wav?
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
10) Re: LaBrie's voice
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
11) Superior QUIZ!!! NOW GO!!! :)
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4493
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
13) Jaxx Show
by "Chris Milne" <cmilne@wam.umd.edu>
14) This is not reality, isn't it?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
15) TSO on Conan
by ClPuritan@aol.com
16) Re: 7string by ear
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
17) the new pantera song
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
18) DONT SKIP!! (NDTC)
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:33:03 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: LaBrie's voice
Message-ID: <005101be24e0$df4a1100$266716cb@graham>
>I only recently received my copy of OiaLT (yes I'm from Indonesia the land
>or progressive desolation), and I finally understood why people on the jam
>spend so much bandwidth discussing the quality of LaBrie's singing. After
>listening to the disc (my desk was the noisiest in the office today !) I
>have to agree to the flamers. LaBrie's sounds worse than LaTM, in other
>words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded and live version
is
>too far to be unnoticed. I can't help comparing him to my favorite
>vocalists, Bruce Dickinson (on Live After Death) and Michael Kiske (on Live
>in The UK).
Well I hate to tell you this, but Kiske re did ALL of the vocals of the
'Live In The UK'
album again in the studio.
GaZ
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:12:34 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LaBrie's voice
Message-ID: <199812110912.LAA10756@xyz.estcard.ee>
> From: "Sigit Prabowo" <tekppg04@bni.co.id>
> office today !) I have to agree to the flamers. LaBrie's sounds worse than
> LaTM, in other words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded
> and live version is too far to be unnoticed. I can't help comparing him to
Well... Get "5 Years In A Livetime". Prepare to be blown away by the sheer
excellency of James's voice. In a live situation. Yes, I thought you saw
it coming. A heart attack. :-)
Seriously, the live album doesn't do him justice. The video, however,
does. I just watched it yester-evening and even those in our small, wine-
influenced home audience who didn't initially like the band because of
James's overly operatic voice, were blown away at the end.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:30:22 +0000
From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Liquid Tension Latest
Message-ID: <48A60310@MHS>
Extract from Tony Levin's website http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm
Now, (Thurs morning) it'll be off in different directions for each of
us. Chris Botti's moving to L.A, so the former New Yorker will fly
there instead of back East with David and me. Bill will head to London
and prepare to come back to the States in January with his Earthworks
band for a tour in the West. David's got some film scoring to do, and
I'll enjoy a little break, practice for some upcoming Liquid Tension
shows, and try to sort out getting my book into some stores! Though I
may not be updating daily for a while, it won't be long till there's
some more interesting stuff to share.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:27:16 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Legenda
Message-ID: <000501be24f0$d2f89510$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
yesterday saw me spending more of my hard-earned cash with my
CD dealer.
LEGENDA - Eclipse
Does anybody else out there like Samael, Summoning and well
produced, quality mid-tempo black metal? Well go and get a listen to
this album a.s.a.p. This album is certainly black metal, but has a wide
variety of tempos, not just the standard 5000 bpm with scrubbing
guitars. The vocal parts sound they were done by a randy Rottweiler
on Viagra, and the lyrics are totally incomprehensible, but that's what
black metal is about, isn't it? Some very nice riffs are supported by
some very atmospheric and melodic keyboards. The drums sound
like they are both real and drum machine. What makes this album
outstanding is the variety of tracks and styles is contains while still
being very clearly black. Perhaps my initial impression of Samael
meets Summoning is the best description. Well worth checking out.
And like most recent releases by Holy Records, the art work and
digi pack are superb. Why do most members of black bands have
stupid fucking names? 9/10.
So far 24 jammers have sent their top 5 lists for 98 to me. I know some
of you are having problems choosing just 5 albums (I know I am), but
I think a few more votes could be forthcoming. Send your lists to me
directly, not to the ytsejam.
Snow sucks.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Candlemass - As It Is, As It Was
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:47:54 -0000
From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy website....
Message-ID: <000201be24c8$40656ac0$69b533d1@i9web>
>A Mike Portnoy website or mailing list? egroups hosts mailing lists,
It is both a website and a mailing list, if you join the list you'll be
updated on changes about the site, and will be able to find discussion about
mike portnoy's projects etc, etc, etc.
Yes, eGroups hosts mailing lists. from www.eGroups.com you can read the
list, send and recieve messages, or you can do it via email.
Thanks
Jim
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:37:26 +1000
From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4492
Message-ID: <l03110701b296cfefc503@[131.217.133.104]>
> 12) John Williams
> by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
>I think that is John Williams the classical guitarist, not John Williams the
>composer.
Unh............ same guy again. :)
Hehehe. JOhn Williams is a great film composer, but my personal hearty
recommendations are Ennio Morricone and Jerry Van Rooyen (although he only
ever did about 4 films. :-( ). Oh! Peter Thomas, too! :)
Seeya!
Chris Groves.
cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
"And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye"
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:32:31 -0500
From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: John Williams
Message-ID: <000b01be250a$b4482440$905d64c7@jbirzer_dev.idshq.com>
>John Williams - born Melbourne, Austarlia 1941. Studied guitar at the
>master Segovia (Gee I didn't know that :)
Yep, sounds like him. Great classical guitarist. I have a couple of his
cds...
Found his bio here...
http://www.sonyclassical.com/artists/williams_guitar_bio.htm
>He plays in more movies, one of them being the legendary "The
>Deerhunter"!
Didn't know this....
>Are you talking about SKY album? Well, there are 2, 3 I think! The "SKY
>3" album is double (I have the LP) and it's best IMO! Other 2 are great
>too, but I did my "best of" tape! Seriously, great band to check out,
i>t's definitelly new approach to music, classical music. If classical
>music is boring to you SKY are great starter! :) They play the famous
>(horror :) Bach Toccata in a most unique way! :) Best cover of it!
>Forget that lousy Vanessa Mae version, this one is rockin' the house
>babe! :)
Yeah, I mentioned John Williams to a friend of mine who is a collector of
strange and unsusal music and he mentioned SKY to me. Maybe I should put it
on my long list... :^)
Jason Birzer
"The Longshot"
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:28:04 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: John Williams and JLB
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF0330C7@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
Cyberduke wrote:
>The UK jammer who's still stucked in Alabama said:
>> Yeah he's the same guy, guitar player, and their stuff was awsome
>> (what I heard of it anyway). Good drummer too as I recall.
>
>Drummer??? Can it be you're wrong?
Yeah, my bad (as they say state side) I meant to say that the Drummer in
Sky was very good (not that JW is a drummer as well) but that's the
problem with email, you type something wrong and click the send button
and you look (sound?) stupid.
then Sigit wrote:
>LaBrie's sounds worse than LaTM, in other
>words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded and live
version is
>too far to be unnoticed. I can't help comparing him to my favorite
>vocalists, Bruce Dickinson (on Live After Death) and Michael Kiske (on
Live
>in The UK).
Er... in other words LATM isn't live vocal and I have some doubts about
Live After Death as well (check out Bruce in the sequenced backing
vocals - that's so annoying). Studio post production is a wonderfull
thing but it can be over-done, now the joy of OIAL (with the possible
exception of the backing vox - MP can you confirm or deny this please),
is that what you hear is the real thing, that is DT live, and I think
its great - JLB does a great job and is still one of the top singists in
the rock biz.
Blahblahblah,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:45:04 -0000
From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: ytsejam.wav?
Message-ID: <003401be24e9$47f0dce0$69b533d1@i9web>
>I was wondering if anyone had plain ol' ytsejam recorded to a .wav? I'm
trying
If you plan on using it for a YOU'VE GOT MAIL wav, then let me know the
time in M:SS in to the song that you want. a FULL recording would be
QUITE long... And VERY LARGE... To get it across a modem at decent quality
would take a rather annoying amount of time... But i'd gladly do it if you
tell me what parts you want.
-Jimbo
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:49:22 -0000
From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: LaBrie's voice
Message-ID: <003501be24e9$515ecda0$69b533d1@i9web>
>words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded and live version
is
Well.. You see.. There's this style of music that can really get your
adreaniline (sp) going... ANd if you listen to the crowd going in the
background, plus with the way the music sounds, you can get that rush
just by listening to it ... Try singing in a chorus, then sing ina
p-metal band... BIG DIFFERENCE.... I have an import CD from Brussels,
Belgium, and well... he sounds DAMN GOOD!
Also, when recording in a studio, you can perfectly mix every part for
every song... That's not an easy task to do on stage....
If you were playing in another country, and had an audience of 10,000 people
screaming and singing in front ofyou, I think that you, too would have a
hard time "keeping your cool"
Best,
Jim
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:09:36 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Superior QUIZ!!! NOW GO!!! :)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981211160936.008494f0@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hoi!
OK! Now it's working! :)) I think I post the whole thing again... :)
I know... this should be a DT quiz here... but I didn't get
free CD's from them so I had to take ours... :))))
We started a quiz where you can win signed Younique CD's or T-shirts!
Have a look at http://www.fine.de/superior/quiz.html
Hint: If you have difficulties with the answers, have a look
at the newsletters at http://www.fine.de or
http://www.truemetal.org/superior
Also I have updated our official homepage again and added a
message board and a guestbook...
(http://www.truemetal.org/superior)
That's all...
Bye
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior have a look at:
http://www.fine.de/superior
http://www.truemetal.org/superior
http://www.noiserecords.com/superior
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If you're good, you solve your problems.
If you're better you have none.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:58:02 -0600
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4493
Message-ID: <000601be251f$09a6e8e0$93739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
>Subject: 7 strings by ear.
>Hey,
> I don't know if I agree with Mads on this one. I think you can tell
>the gage of a string by listening to it. No matter if you have maximum
>crunch or not, some chords just ring differently. An a power chord in
>first/second position sounds a heluva lot different than one at 5th
>position or 12th.
I made this point myself. However, I understand that you're probably
not going to mistake a 6 string tuned normally with a 7 string. But if you
take a band like Sevendust that tunes the guitars down to the range of 7
strings, you would probably think it was a 7 string. The strings don't have
to be floppy or have non-7 string characteristics. If you or anyone else
want to debate this further, we can beet on IRC, and I'll make some mp3s of
bands that are tuned down and bands that use 7 strings. I don't believe
that you or Bafu could nail em all without having heard of the band before
or without knowing about the artist. As I said, we can only make guesses,
until we have info.
>The a just rings differently. Mads, you even made the
>comment to me that you tended to keep your solowing above the 5th fret
>because the notes sound better there.
Yes, but you can play a low B on a 6 string guitar tuned down, in the
same spot, with the same tension as a 7 string. If both notes are in open
position, how then would you know which is which?
>From: ETebo323@aol.com
>> very ambiguous as to 7 string usage.>>
> While most if this is true, Sevendust plays 6-strings tuned down to drop-d
>down 1.5 steps. B,F#,B,E,G#, C#. And while you on the subject don't forget
>Fear Factory, Limp Bizkit, and Morbid Angel play 7 strings.
Um, yeah, I know. :) That's why I said ambiguous. Because you would
think when you hear it that it's 7 string, even though it's not. Morbid
Angel is an EXCELLENT example, because they do use both 6 and 7 strings, and
across their albums it's hard to tell where it's tuned down and where it's
just 7. I have a Morbid Angel freak friend who plays a 6 string strung like
the bottom 6 strings of a 7 string, and the strings are as taut as those on
my 7 string. Anyone wanting to continue this discussion, let's take it
private unless it's a popular topic. It doesn't seem to be a very inclusive
discussion. :)
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:22:13 -0500
From: "Chris Milne" <cmilne@wam.umd.edu>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Jaxx Show
Message-ID: <000301be2522$692f0ec0$09b3c1d1@umd.edu>
Anyone here any other news about the Jaxx show scheduled for Dec 30th on
there web site?
According to the official tour info, they are playing in New York that
night.
chris
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:28:08 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: This is not reality, isn't it?
Message-ID: <36714818.6231@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
>Bill Hicks "it's no wonder we're fucked up as a race". Give me reality
>any day.
I'd love to but it's a moving target :)
There's a book by Carlos Castenada called "A Separate Reality"
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> "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!"
> Randall in "Clerks"
That move was an interesting reality.
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Saw Jon Finn last night out in the middle of nowhere. Think
"Deliverance" people :) Think homies drifting in and out to see if they
might break into
Quotes of the evening:
early in the evening: "If anyone requests "Freebird", I will personally
come out there and kick your ass"
around 11:45pm: "We only have time for about one more tune"
around an hour and 8 tunes later : "Ok, now we *really* only have time
for one more tune"
It became rather obvious that this was not a place to be playing just
progressive music, let alone progressive fusion. They tried several
times, though.
It was an interesting sociological experiment watching the faces of
people as he ripped about 30 seconds from one of the tunes off his
latest disc. There's a 1 minute post gap on the disc where Jon screams
what appears to be "Jess!" and then they rip into some sort of
completely whacked jazz, perhaps in freetime? You know that shiz I'm
talking about where it sounds like the jazz equivalent of a sympony
orchestra before the show where everyone is tuning up and all playing
something completely different? :)
A great live band doing a club gig posesses the ability to cater to the
audience. They did. Through all of it, he still refused to sacrifice the
almighty shred, though :)
Dave DiCenso wasn't on drums last night :(, but one Larry Finn filled in
nicely (read plenty of chops). He's not related to Jon, but he is on the
faculty also.
Speaking with the keyboardist during one of Jon's tender acoustic solo
moments, and he indicated that it is possible that Rod Morgenstein might
play at one or more of the upcoming gigs. Oh yeah...be afraid!
There's a few jammers in the DC/VA area, I believe
coughcoughcoughdivisionguitaristcoughcough. For those without access to
his web page or for those with, but who refuse to obey me :), he's
playing in Virginia:
"Sat., Jan 23 Shenandoah Univerisity (Armstrong Hall) Winchester, VA
4:00 Clinic 8:00 concert"
Need some ear candy, first? Check out a sample of something in 15/16 at:
http://jonfinn.com/timbuktu28.ra
Regards,
Jon
Deep Thought: Why is it that most people who are placed in straighjacket
are usually higher than a kite?
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:20 EST From: ClPuritan@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: TSO on Conan Message-ID: <1776828e.36714c5c@aol.com>
Hey Everyone, I just wanted to let everyone know that Trans-Siberian-Orchestra will be on Conan O'Brian tonight. Later, Mark
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:13:24 +0100 From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: 7string by ear Message-ID: <367152B4.1073A4BE@unet.univie.ac.at>
hell this one got me!! where are the times when people could even tell if it's a 62 or 74 strat and a jcm900 or jcm800??? i mean not hearing the difference of chords in different positions almost disqualifies anyone as a musician. sorry, my opinion. maybe it's because people have stopped 'listening'. Dryheat
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:11:55 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: the new pantera song Message-ID: <19981211171155.23272.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all, I heard on the radio (besides Pull me under live) that Pantera released only this one Sabbath cover tune. It's just for promoting their upcoming tour, where they will be opening act for Sabbath. bye schnipp
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:00:54 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DONT SKIP!! (NDTC) Message-ID: <199812111719.JAA12934@knight.axnet.net>
I know this has nothing to do with the 'jam, Prog-music, but I found it serious enough to write. Congress is trying to pass an Act that will let phone companies charge you for a long distance call for every time you log on to the net. Please contact your Congressmen and bitch like hell about this!
Sorry for the total lack of DT content.
Thorin
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