YTSEJAM Digest 4495
Today's Topics:
1) LTE at NAMM in Jan
by "Doug Cronkhite" <c4@san.rr.com>
2) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4494
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
3) singists
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
4) LTE2
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) Cut it out with the spammed urban legends!
by nmcwatters@Welcom.com
6) Bruce Dickinson on LAD
by MusicSnob@aol.com
7) stratovarius
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
8) Savatage, Riot, Fish + a little DTC
by "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
9) Re: Bruce Dickinson on LAD
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
10) Braindance
by "Garinger, Andrew" <agaringer@SIWEB.COM>
11) Re: stratovarius
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
12) ARGH. You think your ear is that good? Step up. :)
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) Re: new pantera song?
by Beavis--Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
14) Official Word - NO JAXX SHOW!
by lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu
15) Jaxx (DC/VA)
by Ivan Navarro <inavarro@mdo.net>
16) Vai DVD
by Ivan Navarro <inavarro@mdo.net>
17) Re: new pantera song?
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
18) Re: Official Word - NO JAXX SHOW!
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
19) New band, Who bassist
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:44:28 -0800
From: "Doug Cronkhite" <c4@san.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE at NAMM in Jan
Message-ID: <001001be252d$e6c24540$7e22d2cc@c4.san.rr.com>
I don't know if this is old news or not.. but LTE is scheduled to play at
the NAMM show in LA January.
Doug
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:48:46 -0500
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4494
Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5EAD6668@AMSC_NTAS>
Chris wrote...
> Anyone here any other news about the Jaxx show scheduled for
> Dec 30th on
> there web site?
>
> According to the official tour info, they are playing in New York that
> night.
>
The Jaxx show is not, and was never, happening. I love playing at Jaxx, but
the owner gets a little ahead of himself sometimes...
SPEAKING OF JAXX - :)
NoVA, DC, PA, MD types that wander down to said club - howzabout doin' a
'jammer a favor?
Come and see "The New Terror Tour, Installment #2" at Jaxx on Dec 19th.
Featuring:
Without Warning (DT-ish prog metal. Good stuff!)
Enertia (Great power metal)
Division (Progressive power metal.)
We're trying to get a good turnout so that we have a chance of getting
underground prog and power bands into Jaxx in the future. HELP!
Thanks - we now return you to your regularly scheduled 7 string guitar
discussion!
> There's a few jammers in the DC/VA area, I believe
> coughcoughcoughdivisionguitaristcoughcough. For those without
> access to
> his web page or for those with, but who refuse to obey me :), he's
> playing in Virginia:
>
> "Sat., Jan 23 Shenandoah Univerisity (Armstrong Hall) Winchester, VA
> 4:00 Clinic 8:00 concert"
>
> Need some ear candy, first? Check out a sample of something
> in 15/16 at:
> http://jonfinn.com/timbuktu28.ra
Did I hear my name? :) I was actually thinking about checking this out
anyway - it sounds like something I'd enjoy...
That guitar player from...
Division
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:50:22 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: singists
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980911F@messaging>
<< "singists" ----Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama). >>
Singists?? Uh....
David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:47:16 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE2
Message-ID: <36715AA4.316300A8@mol.com.mk>
Any news of LTE2? I'm kinda nervous! :)
I guess until now the songs are finished! Can we expect imediate release
after the final work is done! Like, BEFORE the end of this year???
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:13 -0600 From: nmcwatters@Welcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Cut it out with the spammed urban legends! Message-ID: <D237B42AA971D211BC9400A0C98379B472FA@exchange.wst.com>
Hey all. Thought I'd at least make a guest appearance this month...
"Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> wrote:
>I know this has nothing to do with the 'jam, <snip> >Congress is trying to pass an Act that will let phone companies >charge you for a long distance call for every time you log >on to the net.
First, this is false. See the FCC's response on http://www.urbanlegends.com/classic/modem_tax.html. Second, it's been around since 1990. Have you been charged long distance charges yet? No. Third, Congress probably couldn't give a shit about passing such an act when they're too interested in roasting Clinton's ass. Just an observation. :)
DTC: I still haven't watched 5 Years yet. Maybe I should. :) No, James' voice isn't that strong on the cd (IMHO), but I still think it's better than a LOT of his earlier live performances (again IMHO).
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters Publications Department aka Kirby on irc.dreamt.org WST Corporation dba Welcom ytsekirby@geocities.com -or- nmcwatters@welcom.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:35:40 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Bruce Dickinson on LAD Message-ID: <dbc3fed9.367165fc@aol.com>
I am pretty darn sure there weren't any vocal overdubs on this album. For one, the background vocals are too bad to be studio ;-) Also, I have seen the live video (different night's show, but some tour, etc), but best of all, I have heard live bootlegs (no overdubs there) from that tour, and Bruce sounded just as good. I don't know about the Helloween live disc...
Kevin Madden
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:44:03 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: stratovarius Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809121@messaging>
What is Stratovarius' *single* absolute BEST CD (I need a starting point)?
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:48:29 +0100 From: "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Savatage, Riot, Fish + a little DTC Message-ID: <01be2536$ef49b780$0100007f@rob-s-maskine>
Savatage: I agree that Jon Oliva's vocals are a bit ,uhm unique occasionally (I mostly like 'em, though). But on Streets they fit brilliantly: Excellent songwriting combined with some of the most emotional guitars, vocals and piano I've ever heard. The follow-up Edge of Thorns with new vocalist Zac Stevens is very cool too. I'm not crazy about their most recent albums, though, to me they're too symphonic and a bit corny, actually. I'd say Streets is the one to get first. ---------- Riot: >And while on the subject of German speed metal, >whatever happened with the band Riot ? I have two albums, Thunder Steel and >The Privilege of Power.
I checked my metal encyclopedia according to which the band isn't German but from the US. They've split up and reunited numerous times but this year they released a concept album called Inishmore on Metal Blade. Though they have a long discography I wouldn't bother getting their other albums: According to the encyclopedia they're pretty unspectacular hardrock as opposed to the two albums you own which are supposed to be classics... ----------- Fish: He appears on Ayreon's latest concept album along with Anneke from The Gathering among others (allegedly very cool stuff) ----------- 5YiaL: What's up with the rock star posing by Labrie and Petrucci (it huuurts playing this riff!). Other than that it's pretty damn cool for a live thing (especially compared to the Psychotic Waltz live album/bootleg that came out recently... Talk about ruining the renown of a great band!)
Rob from Denmark
NP: Vauxdvihl - To Dimension Logic ------------------------------- The Chaos Engine - Digital Illustration and Design http://hjem.get2net.dk/sindermann
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:02:00 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Bruce Dickinson on LAD Message-ID: <004001be2538$c79e7700$586716cb@graham>
>I am pretty darn sure there weren't any vocal overdubs on this album. For >one, the background vocals are too bad to be studio ;-) Also, I have seen the >live video (different night's show, but some tour, etc), but best of all, I >have heard live bootlegs (no overdubs there) from that tour, and Bruce sounded >just as good. I don't know about the Helloween live disc...
Uh, I never said anything about LAD being overdubbed :) However the story goes that Kiske after hearing the playback of the 'Live In the UK'album was so disatisfied with his singing that he re did all the vocals again in the studio before ot was released....
GaZ
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:58:22 -0500 From: "Garinger, Andrew" <agaringer@SIWEB.COM> To: "'ytsejam@axnet.net'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Braindance Message-ID: <510EEA34658AD211814600105A08E2D317E74F@opus.siweb.com>
I've mentioned these guys a few times before and I'll do it again. They're fucking incredible! If you like prog, jazz, metal, and goth all mixed together, check them out. I've never heard anything like it before. Oh, and that web address doesn't work. It's http://braindance.iuma.com/, I believe. This release is a little overdramatic, but the fact that they're putting out a new album soon is worth reading all of the cheese. :)
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: stratovarius Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9812111415410.2189-100000@viking.cris.com>
David Dixon wrote:
> What is Stratovarius' *single* absolute BEST CD (I need a starting point)?
Without a doubt, that would be "Episode". I'm sure Mike Bahr would agree.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:19:39 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ARGH. You think your ear is that good? Step up. :) Message-ID: <199812111919.NAA13050@adam.enteract.com>
That's the final straw. :)
People who think they can tell the sound of a 79 Strat through a Marshall JCM 800 on a recording apert from the sound of an 82 strat on a JCM 900 are full of shit, today. Each guitar has its own characteristics, and I'LL be DAMNED if many JCM800's sound remotely similar to each other.
You can train your ear to do a lot of things. Mine can jump through a flaming hoop while identifying scale degrees and harmonic progressions. I can usually hear the difference between a single coil and a humbucker (again, technology has made it so that some humbuckers sound like single coils and vice versa, so it's not as cut and dry as it used to be.) I can tell the difference between tapped notes and picked notes, and even between legato and tapped notes in most cases (again, techniques vary so sometimes it's not possible. I have oodles of examples for this one).
You can not tell me what amps people are playing on on recordings today without knowing something about the band. You can say "That's a huge sound... like a Mesa or a Marshall" or whatever, but you're not going to be right all the time, and you are sure as hell not going to know the make, model and year of the guitar and amp. That's what's called BULLSHIT.
Now, if you want to talk chord recognition, my friend, I study this shit at school. If you think that it's a basic musicianship skill to be able to say the position that a chord is played in by ear, then step the fuck up, and come to my world. I challenge you. I would be ELATED to play a couple chords for you. You are more than welcome to identify them on the spot without sitting there replaying it over and over again and trying to figure it out with your guitar. I'm on IRC all the time. Just come and see me.
That's not even a remotely basic music skill. That takes years of ear training. You're not in a position to knock the standards for musical abilities unless you think you shine above them. I bet you don't.
I am so sick of people talking about how music today is not as difficult as it used to be. Half of what people compare back to (your Yngwies and your Satrianis etc) are so musically BASIC it's silly. If you've put the work in, and you're at the level of a Satriani, then feel free to knock people who make pop music today. If you know a sweep arpeggio and a naturalo minor scale, and you think you got it going on, I got news for you. It's time to go home and practice. Playing for a long time has taught me one thing: I don't know SHIT. There is so much I need to learn before I'd even consider myself a passable musician. Yet, there are quite a few people on this list who learned the solo to UAGM and think they've arrived. It's ludicrous. I can't wait to see what gas station these people end up working at.
And by the way, most of this is not directed at Manuel... just the chord identification thing and the 79 strat thing. I have no idea how great of a musician or how educated Manuel is. If I had to guess though, I'd lump him in with the rest.
I am done venting.
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:16:33 -0800 From: Beavis--Wes Foll <follwes@sc.llu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: new pantera song? Message-ID: <4.1.19981211111523.0092b1e0@sc.llu.edu>
>I heard on the radio (besides Pull me under live) that Pantera released >only this one Sabbath cover tune. It's just for promoting their upcoming
What can this new recording be found on? I haven't heard yet....thanks
Wes
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Official Word - NO JAXX SHOW! Message-ID: <199812112142.QAA07346@gl.umbc.edu>
I was getting tired of not having an answer about the JAxx show so I finally went ahead and mailed Portnoy about it. Here is his response....
> Hi, > There is NO JAXX show.... > Some asshole there has premature diarrea of the mouth.... > We will be playing in NY on the 30th... > MP >
And there you have it! You can thank me later. :)
Jason
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:38:42 -0500 From: Ivan Navarro <inavarro@mdo.net> To: DT Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jaxx (DC/VA) Message-ID: <367190E2.1B09834@mdo.net>
Man, am I jumping to conclusions or does Jaxx really suck! Where do they get off advertising shows that aren't. Not only is the Dec 30 date on there web site but they also published in the Weekend section of the Washington Post today. I wish they were playing here, does anyone know if OFB is even considering coming to the DC area?
Is the advertised Fates show the same kind of bullshit?
I-Man
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:36:38 -0500 From: Ivan Navarro <inavarro@mdo.net> To: DT Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Vai DVD Message-ID: <36719066.6E6BAAED@mdo.net>
I just ordered a DVD player and wondered if any of you Videophile types have heard of or own the Vai DVD - "Alien Love Secrets?" The Image Entertainment Preview had it advertised and I saw it on there web site as well.
The summary for the disc is as follows: As one of the most acclaimed guitarists for over a decade, Steve Vai continues to push musical and technological boundaries to the extreme with his groundbreaking DVD, "Alien Love Secrets." English:5.1 Surround. - Audio commentary on each video clip - Alternate camera angles - A complete biography & discography
I-Man
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:50:23 -0800 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: new pantera song? Message-ID: <006601be2550$bae60240$88add6d0@multimedia>
> >>I heard on the radio (besides Pull me under live) that Pantera released >>only this one Sabbath cover tune. It's just for promoting their upcoming > >What can this new recording be found on? I haven't heard yet....thanks >
Man, someone PLEASE... make an mp3 of this. I haven't heard it either.
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:54:13 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Official Word - NO JAXX SHOW! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981211165327.25628A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> I was getting tired of not having an answer about the JAxx > show so I finally went ahead and mailed Portnoy about it. Here > is his response.... > > > Hi, > > There is NO JAXX show.... > > Some asshole there has premature diarrea of the mouth.... > > We will be playing in NY on the 30th... > > MP > > > > And there you have it! You can thank me later. :)
hehe, no, i'd thank you if you'd brought news of the show happening :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:46:07 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New band, Who bassist Message-ID: <3671A0AF.E5F2F337@mol.com.mk>
Hi!
Today on the net I bumped on "John Entwistle Band"! Does anyone know what's this thing and what's doing the awesome The Who bass player! --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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