YTSEJAM Digest 4497
Today's Topics:
1) Perl
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
2) Re: bathroom recordings/Chemical Wedding
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
3) For me? Why I do declare, Mr. Beaureguarde!
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
4) Re: TSO on Conan!!!
by Darth1@aol.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4490
by Darth1@aol.com
6) Re: TSO on Conan!!!
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
7)
by "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" <fox@urbi.com.br>
8) Stratovarius
by "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" <fox@urbi.com.br>
9) RE: Stratovarius
by "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
10) buying 5yialt in UK?
by David Tod <d.tod@which.net>
11) Re: Mike Portnoy website....
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
12) James voice
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
13) Re: Portnoy Long Island Clinic!
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
14) Re: DONT SKIP!! (NDTC)
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
15) re.Some reviews
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
16) Re: Stratovarius
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
17) Re: Stratovarius
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
18) Shirts
by "Matthew W. Stanich" <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
19) Re: DONT SKIP!! (NDTC)
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:13:07 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Perl
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9812120212380.812-100000@jaca>
On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Phil Carter wrote:
> One thing I think Rick and I *would* agree with is that pre-"Episode"
> Stratovarius isn't as good as the more recent stuff; Jens Johansson and
> Jorg Michael weren't present on the albums before "Episode". Jens adds a
> lot to the band's sound IMHO.
And Jens knows Perl. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: bathroom recordings/Chemical Wedding Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981212000451.62474A-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
Supwitchall-- While we're on the subject, I know Chris DeGarmo recorded some stuff in a bathroom for Queensryche's Promised Land. He's still a bastard, though. And in response to Christian's statement about Bruce Dickinson's The Chemical Wedding being the album of the year, I have to chime in and give my praise. Actually, if I were to give the album all the praise it deserves, the next 'jam digest would consist of my one post. Seriously people, it's at the top of my list as well, and anyone who doesn't have it should go get it yesterday. Simply an amazingly great album. Everything about it is top-notch quality. This is the peak of inspiration, the peak of songwriting, the peak of talent. This is *not* the album 40 year old former vocalists of a giant band put out. Nothing has-been, uninspired or also-ran about it. Bruce has been bragging about this one, and he has *every* freakin' right in the world and more. This is the kind of record you still listen to often 10 years down the road, like a Mindcrime or something. Please support it, people. DTC: They've played with Bruce a couple of times :)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Labyrinth--Return to Heaven Denied ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God." -Joe DeAngelo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:12:44 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: For me? Why I do declare, Mr. Beaureguarde! Message-ID: <001201be2596$6fea49e0$47739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>It's "Race With The Devil On Spanish Highway", buddy! :)
If you wanna be THAT picky, it's "Race with Devil" not "Race with THE Devil" At least on my copy of the album. :)
>Hold on to your hats, gang - I agree one hundred per cent with Chris here. >Anyone that says their ears are that good is one arrogant S.O.B.
Actually, I'M the arrogant S.O.B. My ears just aren't that good. Anyone wanna try and tell me by ear what string gauge I use? I bet ya can't. :) There's money in it for you if you can name each string gauge. :)
>Look, if you know someone's gear, and are familiar with their work, you can >usually make a fair guess at what they used. I'll bet you're still wrong >about half of the time, at least - the studio is a magic thing...
EXACTLY.
>As for chord recognition, Chris probably has it all over me.
Trust me, I'm just starting that shit. But it puts me in a position to comment on just how hard this stuff is to get good at, since I am still feeble after a semester of structured practice.
>> Nuno Bettencourt recorded his rhythm tracks for "Pornograffiti" in >Dunno about this guy, but he's not related to Angra's Rafael Bittencourt >is he?:-) strange similarity in the name...
The irony goes a step further... Kiko from Angra used to use Nuno's signature N4 guitars almost exclusively. :)
>From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> >Subject: Ptacek
For a post this specific, maybe you should have switched the subject with the recipient field. Either way, I am not deeply moved in any direction by what you have to say. :)
>For a man who repeats over and over how little he know, the humility in >the content of most of your posts is lacking.
Do show me where my mighty ego is showing through. It's not humility that's lacking. It's patience and politeness. Fuck pussyfooting around, dude. It's not been that kind of week, and enough people are talking big enough games to make it worthwhile to cut to the chase. If you don't like me calling someone's bluff, that's fine. But you're going to deal with it.
>Maybe someone has better ears than Madsman, maybe not.
Not maybe anything. Definitely. There are probably at least 100 of the music majors on this list who outclass me amazingly. There are probably 200 more who are at or around my specific level. I'm not on top of any hill, except the hill of bullshit that a few jammers have been spewing, and I've got a shovel ready to jam it right back down their throats. That's the mood I get in during finals week. You no like? Get in the trash can, BOYEE!
>I think no matter how much you claim you're still a biginner >and humble, Mads, you have one hell of an ego.
I'm not sorry you feel that way. I'm a beginner at jazz. I'm a beginner at really sight reading. I'm a beginner at structured ear training. But I wasn't born yesterday, and I'm not passive at anything I do. Now, if I have an ego for being cynical about someone else's delusions of grandeur, I simply misunderstand the term "ego." I'm not here for the free pizza though. And, of course, I'll remember your obloquy ("that word is perfectly cromulent") next time you write me asking for guitar help. :) Choose your insults wisely. There are a thousand words you could throw at me that would better hit the mark. If I had a big ego, I think I'd be a lot more confident in my ability to play through changes etc. But I'm here for you to throw your stones, man. I know we all need to vent sometimes.
- Chris
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:37:26 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: TSO on Conan!!! Message-ID: <e7847b6b.36721d36@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/9/98 6:41:20 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> I just read that TSO will be on Conan O'Brien Firday > night. Actually, since it's on at 12:37 AM I guess that > makes it early Saturday morning. You know what I mean. > Wasn't sure if anyone posted this yet.
Just got done watching this...Finally the prog metal world gets some exposure! They were AMAZING! - 3 guitarists, two of them I recognized from Savatage - 2 keyboardists, one I recognized from Savatage - and a small orchestra! They did that "Ring Christmas Bells" song (I don't know if that is the exact title or not...). Question: How many members of Savatage are in this band? Do they only get together around Christmas time? Because I remember seeing a music video on "eMpTV" about 5 years ago for one of the songs on an older album of theirs and remember thinking that, "Hey, this rocks... Christmas Metal!"
Josh S.
NP: Genesis - From Genesis to Revelation (1st album)
============================================= "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope =============================================
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:46:26 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4490 Message-ID: <83e52a9b.36721f52@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/10/98 2:43:52 AM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> Hey, Mr. Dark Lord of the Sith. That _IS_ an organ at the beginning of BMS.
Yea, I guess, you ARE right... now that I listen to that song, there is an organ there... I was refering to the album in general, as I think was the reviewer... (Don't make me whip out the lightsaber on your ass |-)
Josh S.
========================================== Why is a wise man and wise guy opposites? ==========================================
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:41:48 -0700 From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: TSO on Conan!!! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981212014146.006a7064@postoffice.syspac.com>
Darth1@aol.com wrote: >Just got done watching this...Finally the prog metal world gets some exposure! >They were AMAZING! >- 3 guitarists, two of them I recognized from Savatage >- 2 keyboardists, one I recognized from Savatage >- and a small orchestra! >They did that "Ring Christmas Bells" song (I don't know if that is the exact >title or not...).
Christmas Eve Sarajevo 12/24 is the name of it, I believe. Kinda a hybrid of Carol of the Bells and God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen. Cool tune.
>Question: How many members of Savatage are in this band?
Okay, the drummer, the heavy-set keyboardist with the long brown hair, the two outer guitarists (of the three), and the bassist are all Savatage performing members. Also, the third guitarist, the dude in the middle is Paul O'Neil. From what I've heard, he and Jon Oliva (the keyboardist) actually are THE driving force behind Savatage, so he's kinda like a 7th member. All of Savatage was there except for the vocalist, Zakk Stevens. They played the song nice'n heavy too :) But I was SOOOO waiting for Jon just to bust out with a gutteral scream...
"Maaaaaaadneeessss reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeignnnnssssssss............"
hehe :)
Goodnight,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:46:44 -0200 From: "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" <fox@urbi.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Message-ID: <002201be2592$ce2c1140$3b44f4c8@fox>
WHAT?????? Did JLB re-recorded the vocals in studio???? I never hear this before!!! Anyone can confirm this (hope not)???
I heard something about this, but were only rumours. If you hear any bootlegs from this tour, you'll see JLB can sing what is in the album.
[]'s Rafael
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:48:33 -0200 From: "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" <fox@urbi.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Stratovarius Message-ID: <002401be2593$0ebc6340$3b44f4c8@fox>
I think that Stratovarius albuns before 'The Fifth Dimension' are a little disappointing, cause Timo Tolkki vocals are not ok. Timmo Kottipietto vocals are much better.
[]'s Rafael
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:57:32 +0100 From: "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Stratovarius Message-ID: <000401be25ce$fbeda9e0$db6f9ec2@default>
David Dixon wrote:
> What is Stratovarius' *single* absolute BEST CD (I need a starting point)?
I think most of Stratovarius fans would say that "Episode" is the best one. However my definite favourite is "Visions". This is where all Strato "greatest hits" come from : "kiss of judas", "black diamond", "legions", etc. The songwriting is solid, production is huge, no fillers.
"Episode" and "Destiny" come both second.
Take care, Volodya.
NP - UFO "walk on water"
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:34:06 +0000 From: David Tod <d.tod@which.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: buying 5yialt in UK? Message-ID: <36728CED.6F2C7471@which.net>
Hi, does anyone know where I can can the uk/european VHS PAL version of the 5yialt video?.......it is released in europe yet??
thanks, dave tod - UK
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:51:13 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy website.... Message-ID: <19981212155113.2605.qmail@hotmail.com>
How do I subscribe again?
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 02:58:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy website....
>A Mike Portnoy website or mailing list? egroups hosts mailing lists,
It is both a website and a mailing list, if you join the list you'll
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:32:19 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: James voice Message-ID: <000001be25ec$8eaa7d40$1b710ed1@matiasfr>
Hi there!! i have to admit that i feel a little desapointed when i heard James singing in " cought in a web" or "lie" [live] i mean he 's a great singer but he needs to put some Heart on it!!
It's my opinion bye!
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:59:15 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Portnoy Long Island Clinic! Message-ID: <19981212175916.17048.qmail@hotmail.com>
Were you the one who was walking all over the place with the camera, who was standing outside at the end and told me to check out Derek? Do you know Derek? I talk to him online every once in a while (when he's in the mood to talk!:() My wife talks to him alot online. What, did you make his site for him or help him out with it? It's a very cool site! I like it! Lava man! :) How did your pictures come out? Did you scan them? Can you send me a couple good ones, or do you have them on a site somewhere? I have all the pics I took scanned and the video came out really good. Are going to any of the Christmas shows? We're going to the one at the Birch Hill on Sat. the 26th.
Mike
PS - This seemed like a kinda private type email, that's why I took the liberty of sending it to your own email address.
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:19:40 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Portnoy Long Island Clinic!
Hey there! Hi there! Ho there!
Just wanted to tell everyone that last night's clinic out on Long Island, New York was FANTASTIC. Mike was his usual talented self, and was as personable and talkative as always. Big surprise, right? He talked about the upcoming holiday shows and even mentioned a possible LTE tour.
For those of you who were there, I was one of the photographers that Mike "chastised" for talking while he was on. Thanks for making me blush, Mike! :) What a character!!
Christina dereksherinian.com NP: EVENT "Electric Skies"
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:36:05 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DONT SKIP!! (NDTC) Message-ID: <19981212153605.29510.qmail@hotmail.com>
This is DEFINITELY of serious enough content to post!! How much can the government decide to take from us without the general public realizing that this is turning into a communist country? It's PATHETIC!!
Mike
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:34:13 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DONT SKIP!! (NDTC)
I know this has nothing to do with the 'jam, Prog-music, but I found it serious enough to write. Congress is trying to pass an Act that will let phone companies charge you for a long distance call for every time you log on to the net. Please contact your Congressmen and bitch like hell about this!
Sorry for the total lack of DT content.
Thorin
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:05 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re.Some reviews Message-ID: <001001be2613$a5474ca0$32710ed1@matiasfr>
You know nothing about RUSH!!! that's a FACT!!!!
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:27:44 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Stratovarius Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981212162439.12726A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, Rafael L.R. Carnovale wrote: > I think that Stratovarius albuns before 'The Fifth Dimension' are a little > disappointing, cause Timo Tolkki vocals are not ok. Timmo Kottipietto vocals > are much better.
This idea is whatkept me from buying "Dreamspace" for so long (because Tolkki was vocalist). Then I listened to it, and I know Kottipelto is much better, but I don't think Tolkki is bad at all. In fact, I think it's a great album and the vocals are good as well. SO why I am I posting? Just to encourage people who have all the Kotipelto-era Stratovarius to not be afraid to pick up the earlier stuff as well.
Robert Taylor rctaylor@uiuc.edu http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:32:10 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Stratovarius Message-ID: <005f01be261f$42e506e0$576716cb@graham>
>I think that Stratovarius albuns before 'The Fifth Dimension' are a little >disappointing, cause Timo Tolkki vocals are not ok. Timmo Kottipietto vocals >are much better.
Tolkki's singing ain't THAT bad, all of the pre Kottipietto Stratovaruis albums do have some great songs.
GaZ
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:23:20 -0500 From: "Matthew W. Stanich" <mwstanic@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Shirts Message-ID: <3672FAE8.23E283C1@mtu.edu>
Hello All-
Could someone please tell me where I can get the latest edition of the ytsejam shirts? Thanks-
Matt Stanich
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:29:38 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DONT SKIP!! (NDTC) Message-ID: <d9d1897e.3672fc62@aol.com>
there is not a proposal to tax or chage us for each time we sign onto the internet. check here~~> <A HREF="http://www.urbanlegends.com/classic/modem_tax.html">Classic/modem tax </A> http://www.urbanlegends.com/classic/modem_tax.html
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