YTSEJAM Digest 4503
Today's Topics:
1) Re:Bafu's defense of gas-station musicians :)
by Mauricio <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
2)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
3) James's voice AND pointless replies
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
4) Re: Mike Portnoy website....
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
5) Need some bands info...
by INNSOUL@aol.com
6) Re: Digest 4502 and many before....
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
7) Err...Hang on, Dave
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
8) __ .. _ __
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
9) Extreme list wanted, NDTC!
by Markus Tenberge <markus.tenberge@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
10) Magna Carta news...
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Pink Floyd Radio, Opeth, et cetera...
by Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4502
by Nick Storr <nstorr@ozemail.com.au>
13)
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
14) DTIFC
by "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
15) Different Stages goes Gold
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
16) Overdubs on LatM?
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
17) TSO Jr. ???
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
18) LATM...<gasp> overdubs??
by "appoggiatura !" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
19) Re: TSO Jr. ???
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
20) LaBrie
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:54:42 -0600
From: Mauricio <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re:Bafu's defense of gas-station musicians :)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981215005442.0081b220@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
What about Alex Lifeson? He worked on a gas station too, and if Zakk hit
the jackpot with ozzy, what did Alex hit? The damn Lotto twice i say! :)
It=B4s a matter of perseverance i say....and faith and hope too....
Mauricio
At 09:28 AM 14/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Just a remark to support Bafu's theory. Zakk Wylde did=20
>work on a gas station before he hit the jackpot with Ozzy=20
>audition. And I'm sure you'll agree he's OK :)
>
>Matej
>Slovenian jammer
>
>NP: Different Stages : Analog Kid
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:27:48 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Message-ID: <v01540b00b29b74974214@[168.122.10.79]>
>> and i guess i'm just wondering how the song was
>> performed live, if ever, by Savatage.....
>
>Interesting question..... I wish I knew the answer!
>Anybody?
If you don't mind me answering (or even if you do), I think I
remember reading a review of a Savatage concert around the release of _Dead
Winter Dead_ that described the show opening with the recording of the
song. Partway through the song, Jeff Plate (drummer) would start playing
along with the recording, and gradually, the rest of the band would join
in. This might have been a different song, but I believe it was "Christmas
Eve/Sarajevo (12-24)." Unfortunately, Savatage is one of those bands that
I've wanted to see live for awhile and have consistently missed several
opportunities to do so.
>4. Union - Self-titled (ACK! A non-prog band!! For shame, Webmistress!!
>FOR SHAME!)
What's especially shameful is that this is also one of my favorite
albums of this year (and it can't be that good if I like it, ha ha ha).
While it's definitely not Prog with a capital P, "Let it Flow" (track six,
I believe) is damn close. The whole album is well-crafted and skillfuly
played to say the least. The drumming is as tight as . . . well, I'd
better not finish that sentence. The guitar-playing (by former Ki$$
guitarist Bruce Kulick) rips as well.
Since I've already gotten two responses to my last submission (and
I thought nobody paid any attention to me), I'll share it with everybody.
According to Mr. Portnoy, the new addition to "Metropolis Part I" is . . .
(I like being able to create suspense) . . .
. . . the original middle section of "The Way it Used to Be." This
was apparently removed from the song right before the band recorded the
version that appears on the "Hollow Years" single.
I have found another important piece of the Dream Theater live
performance puzzle. I thought this was one area where it was not
necessarily better to save the mystery. However, I find it hard to believe
no one knew this until I annoyed both Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian with
private e-mail. I kind of hope no one did, though, because I would hate to
have inconvenienced them for nothing.
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:41:53 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: James's voice AND pointless replies
Message-ID: <199812150741.JAA27133@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From me:
>> Seriously, the live album doesn't do him justice. The video, however,
>> does.
]From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
> Okay, I agree, James has got one of the best voices I've ever heard, but
> you've got to admit it...Some of the vocal mannerisms he comes up with
Well... And now I want you to show me how what you said was related to
what I was talking about "5 Years In A Livetime" and James's performance
on it.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:22:01 -0000
From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy website....
Message-ID: <000101be27d4$ffc98720$63b533d1@i9web>
-----Original Message-----
>How do I subscribe again?
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Email mikeportnoy-subscribe@egroups.com and put SUBSCRIBE as the subject...
If you dont do it right, I'll see that you tried to subscribe... And will be
able to take care of it accordingly.
Thanks, and best to you and your family this holiday season...
Jim
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:53:24 EST
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Need some bands info...
Message-ID: <ce8b6a59.36761574@aol.com>
If you don't know about Spinal Tap, go to your local video store, look in
either the comedy section or musicals (Blockbuster has it there) and rent
"This Is SPINAL TAP". You've seen the band members in lots of other movies
and shows before (Michael McKean - "David St. Hubbins" was in Airheads, on
Dream On, and recently on the X-Files).
Enjoy!
Sean
www.mftt.com - The Official Website Of MONEY FOR THE TOLL
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:05:59 -0700
From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Digest 4502 and many before....
Message-ID: <199812150822.BAA17138@ganymede.aculink.net>
Now I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but can't we please all just get
along in hear? (ooh, a pun...) Is anyone else getting burned out on all the
yakkety shmakkety on gas station attendants, string guages, action, etc.?
Oh and, BTW...I have perfect pitch, and I wasn't a music major! :oP
-Geoffrey
"...we exist in a world where the fear of illusion is real..."
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:44:06 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Err...Hang on, Dave
Message-ID: <16C6741CD6@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>]From Si...
>>Okay, I agree, James has got one of the best voices I've ever heard,
>>but you've got to admit it...Some of the vocal mannerisms he comes
>>up with live are a little...how shall we say, over the top, perhaps?
>>The "I think it's time for a ch-a-a-aange" line in Take The Time on OIaL
>>made me bust something! That among others.
>Ok I think we've overdone the KJLB bashing for a bit, it's not just
>this post but a great number of them recently. The guy is great live,
Not to get arsey or anything, 'cos I agree with you Dave: James
gets a rough ride for having a fab voice ( I challenge any Jammers
slagging him to name a "better", or ceartainly more versatile,
singer ). Which is precisely what I actually said; so why are you citing
me as an example of KJLB Bashing Inc.?
Si
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:39:20 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: __ .. _ __
Message-ID: <36759398.9DEDE31A@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:23:10 PST
> From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
>
> ice skating?
Ya mean like "Skating away on a thin ice"?
(c) Jethro Tull
> oh well
Oh well's cool too!
(c) Fleetwood Mac
DTC: Another day has just passed
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:14:26 -0100 From: Markus Tenberge <markus.tenberge@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Extreme list wanted, NDTC! Message-ID: <199812151016.CAA20286@knight.axnet.net>
Hi all,
I'm looking for a audio recording of the Extreme Show performing Queen songs while the live aid concert in 19..?? in Great Britain. Does anybody of you guys have a recording of this or at least know a mailing list / message board where I can perhaps find it?
Please e-mail me privately. And sorry for the non DT relating subject.
Thanks in advance.
Markus
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:15:40 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Magna Carta news... Message-ID: <367644DC.4929B33F@mol.com.mk>
> Simon's recording and performing credits include: Jack Bruce, Jeff > Beck, Pete Townshend, Mick Jagger, Mike Oldfield, John Wetton, Frank > Zappa, Peter Gabriel, Judas Priest, Toto and Joe Satriani.
Wow, wow, wow!!!!! What is this? Does this foplks PLAY on the album??? How can Zappa play on it? Otherwise the namelist is really awesome! Woohoo! --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:08:02 -0500 From: Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Pink Floyd Radio, Opeth, et cetera... Message-ID: <36765F32.B166053A@mtu.edu>
Howdy 'jammers. I remember a while back there was some talk of a RealAudio station that playerd all Floyd all the time, as well as a Rush one. Anyone got any info on this? It'd be nice to have something to listen to in the lab besides ytseradio :)
Second, I keep hearing Opeth thrown around on this list, mostly from Roger's direction. Can anyone (including you, Mr. Brito) fill me in on what Opeth is about? Or where I could hear some (I.E. MP3S or various other samples floating around on the grey-market 'net)? Any help is appreciated...
As for this big flap over hearing music coming from Bafu and Madsman's corners, I think you (and everyone else involved, I don't mean to limit my scorn) are caring just a little too much. My mom is tone deaf; I can sing along with damn good accuracy to just about anything within my range. So hey, some people have a knack for pitch, others don't. Just admit it and let this go, or I might be forced to start posting all sorts of songs I wrote for the seven-string guitar using big twelfth note runs in 16/24 time...
Peace and a happy holidays to all on the 'jam, even those who don't believe in holidays. You folks just have a merry couple of weeks.
Josh -- "Apu, if it'll make you feel any better, I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead!" -- Homer Simpson
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:36:08 +1100 From: Nick Storr <nstorr@ozemail.com.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4502 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981215123606.007079a8@ozemail.com.au>
At 09:58 14/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >> Unlike LaTM, Labrie IS NOT OVERDUBBED on OiaL. > >"Live At The Marquee" is vocally overdubbed? When was this discovered? I >haven't listened to it in a few months, but should I bust out the disc and >start paying attention? It didn't hit me like the tracks on "A Change of >Seasons" did as being an overdubbed performance...
Hmmm.... This is my first post for a LOOONG time... and I'm gonna say something nasty....
If the vocals on LATM were overdubbed.... how come they aren't better?
Now I'm in trouble... :)
Nick
Nick Storr nstorr@ozemail.com.au members.easyspace.com/honour
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:53:48 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <19981215145351.29850.qmail@hotmail.com>
I'm not exactly sure which part you're talking about until I listen to it again and listen for it, but yes I would like to know.
Mike
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:04:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
If anyone besides me has been wondering exactly what it is that Dream Theater has been playing regularly in the middle of "Metropolis Part I" for awhile now and still does not know, I recently received the answer from the Soy Bomber himself. (Thank you again, Mr. Portnoy.) I'm referring to the section that appears around six minutes into the track on _Once in a Livetime_. Anyone interested can let me know.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:53:22 -0500 From: "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com> To: Under A Glass Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DTIFC Message-ID: <BDBBCD37EA65D1119E9600A0C9982D75AB4951@mail.pwcg.com>
greetings, all!
i was just wondering...i don't recall this being mentioned (or if it was, i must've overlooked it...), but does anyone know if there's going to be a DTIFC Christmas CD this year and, if so, what the content is going to be?
thanks, and have a good holiday!
mikE ____________________________________________________________
"May God stand between you and harm In all the empty places where you must walk..."
"Into the morning sun / Down his chosen road, he rides to save the world / Cross of crimson, robe of white / Sworn to the quest for the rest of his life..." Symphony X - "The Accolade"
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:28:02 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Different Stages goes Gold Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980912E@messaging>
I got this from Atlantic Records this morning (just thought you might like to know)...
<<<<"DIFFERENT STAGES," the all-new multi-disc live collection from Rush, has been certified gold by the RIAA for U.S. sales in excess of 500,000 units. With this, their 22nd gold album certification, the Canadian trio is now fourth among groups on the RIAA's all-time gold certification list, a tally topped only by the Beatles (38), the Rolling Stones (37), and Kiss (23). The feat is especially notable in that it also extends Rush's consecutive gold certification streak to 22, which represents their entire catalog. "DIFFERENT STAGES" and debuted on the Billboard 200 at #35, with a bullet!! Get the inside scoop on the making of "DIFFERENT STAGES," and much, much more -- check out the exclusive Rush FANCAST in the DigitalArena on the Atlantic web site. For this very special online event, Rush members Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson stopped by our Digital Arena Studio in New York City and answered online fans' questions in an interactive interview moderated by renowned music journali! st Lisa Robison. This is a rare, in-depth look at these living legends -- an event that any fan of the band, or any fan of rock & roll for that matter, does not want to miss!
http://www.atlantic-records.com/rush>>>>
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:06:01 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Overdubs on LatM? Message-ID: <367696F9.581BA230@home.com>
I wrote: > > Unlike LaTM, Labrie IS NOT OVERDUBBED on OiaL.
Bafu Vai responded: > "Live At The Marquee" is vocally overdubbed? When was this discovered?
Well, I'm honestly not positive about that.... but that's what I've heard (on the Jam, I think). Can somebody shed a bit of light on this please?
--
Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:37:53 -0700 From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: TSO Jr. ??? Message-ID: <PKJCGMBBMMHCIAAA@my-dejanews.com>
All this talk of TSO lately and I'm sitting here listening to SG's 'Tyranny' and thinking, 'Is 'Christmas Day' their 'Seryevo 12/24'?' After all it'd be a great way for SG to gain more exposure, etc. by cooking up their own X-mas album...Hmm...
And, hey, what's the deal with the never-ending Korn slagging? I know nothing about them other than their message is targeted towards pissed-off, upper-middle class white kids who hate Mom and Dad and have way too much time on their hands, and sure, calling either guitar player a guitarist is pushing it, but is it me, or do the bass player and drummer rock?
Edwin Drood
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:08:42 PST From: "appoggiatura !" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LATM...<gasp> overdubs?? Message-ID: <19981215200842.13514.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey jammers.... I would like to say that I, for one, do NOT believe that LATM is vocally dubbed. I have a boot from that tour and James sounds just as good as he does on LATM.
Hopelessly stuck in a world of blah!
POJ =o|
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: TSO Jr. ??? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.981215150143.23595A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Michael Patrick wrote:
> > > And, hey, what's the deal with the never-ending Korn slagging? I know nothing about them other than their message is targeted towards pissed-off, upper-middle class white kids who hate Mom and Dad and have way too much time on their hands, and sure, calling either guitar player a guitarist is pushing it, but is it me, or do the bass player and drummer rock? >
Maybe it's just me, and it probably is, but I happen to like them if I'm in an intense sort of mood. A lot of their stuff, particularly on their first two albums is pretty good, if you can get by the vocals. the guitarists are definitely not shredders, but they fit with the aggressive dischordant style they have. The drummer definitely does rock (Track 5 on the second album should attest to that), though he's not a virtuoso on the drums or anything, he has some good chops.
Anyway, enough of the NDTC.
I'll see some of ya at the Birch Hill show later this month.....Fantazia anyone? :)
-Al
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:44:26 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LaBrie Message-ID: <4.1.19981215162315.00a20d90@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
>etc. And singers are especially up against it. I can honestly say >though, that I find KJLB's performance on the CD(s) and Video most >satisfactory....
I'm glad to see a few folks defending James on OIAL. I do have to say that anyone who says James is finished or "going downhill" knows absolutely nothing about Dream Theater's live history. I'm no expert, either, but the 60 DT shows I own gets me a little better perspective than those that base their opinions simply on LatM, OIAL and (oh jeezus) the gruesome Tokyo PPV show.
Someone mentioned that many Jammers are coming back from DT shows saying that's the best they've ever heard James live, and they'd be correct. James is FAR more controlled and consistant this tour than in the past. On I&W and, to some extent, the Awake shows, James tended to go insane on some songs (UAGM and TLF are great examples from the I&W tour) which adversely affected his overall performance. These days he doesn't scream "bear this honor in my NAAAAAAAME" anymore (thankfully) but instead tempers the performance a bit so he can be more consistant throughout the show (and the entire tour, for that matter).
James has by FAR the most difficult job when DT is on tour. You can hear when a guitarist/drummer/etc is having a bad day or doesn't feel well - but only if you know what to listen for. A vocalist, on the other hand, has no way of hiding a sore throat or a tight neck or any other type of problem. I once pulled a muscle in my neck the day of a gig and couldn't sing for shit because any tension whatsoever caused a shooting pain. My drummer had the beginnings of what became pneumonia <sp?> during the same gig and was god-awful, but no one noticed because I was having so much trouble.
Folks also compare him to the likes of Geoff Tate, etc. You've gotta look at the whole picture when doing this, and most people don't. First, Tate has the benefit of being able to rely on superb backing vocals. In many places DeGarmo (used to) sing the highest parts while Tate stayed some interval down. James doesn't have that luxury (though Portnoy is getting much better at this kinda stuff). Also, even when Empire was a huge hit, Queensryche never had the extensive touring schedule that DT has had these past few years. To compare the live performances of someone, say, on the pittiful QR Hear in the Now Frontier tour to James after 50 shows in three months is ludicrous.
I just urge people to give James a break. It's a tough job and he does it very professionally.
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