YTSEJAM Digest 4504
Today's Topics:
1) for trade Yamaha ex5
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4503
by D2112T@aol.com
3) TSO/Savatage
by PJgeorge@aol.com
4) Re: Magna Carta news...
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
5) Oh...just musings....
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
6) My new pal! NDTC
by AnalogGal@aol.com
7) Re: XMas Eve performed by Savatage, MP a Daddy again?
by MTeiper@aol.com
8) Re: Oh...just musings....
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Does Humor Belong in Music?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
10) Sieges Even
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) Re:
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
12) James
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
13) well, now that's you've discovered why I am NOT a betting man
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
14) RE: LATM...<gasp> overdubs??
by "hitomi iwai" <hattie@mb.kcom.ne.jp>
15) Opeth
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:58:39 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ex5@lists.best.com, trinity@harmonycentral.com, analogue@hyperreal.com
Cc: digitalhell@anxiety.resrocket.com, midi-mag@maelstrom.stjohns.edu,
Subject: for trade Yamaha ex5
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981215165839.0080a930@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Since this is being crossposted, I will make this brief. Sorry for any
off--topics this may be causing.
yamaha EX5, for trade. have soft case and stand, quicklock single tier.
Also have sustain pedal, manuals, and sample CDs. No scsi. Stock keyboard.
Excellent shape, never used. Great workstation synth. maybe one of you will
have better luck with it than I did.
Looking for: either a roland xp500 or xp80 with the supersound set,
keyboards of the 60s/70s, bass and drums, and session expansion cards, plus
vintage keyboard module, or an Ensoniq TS10, with expansions if possible,
and either a TR rack or a jv1080/2080 with same cards. Will pay if this is
uneven. I am just trying to find something that is better for me to use.
Yamaha sounds great but I think the user interface is too confusing for me,
and I miss my old gear. If you want to call me, contact me at 732-225-5080
after 5 P.M. or 732-937-6394 between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. Email me at
dfibraio@home.com or tac1a@bellatlantic.net. Thanks in aadvance and sorry
for the off-topic post.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:09:24 EST
From: D2112T@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4503
Message-ID: <6a5109dc.3676de14@aol.com>
hey markus
i have the recording of Extreme doing that Queen tribute show
email me d2112t@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:11:38 EST
From: PJgeorge@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: TSO/Savatage
Message-ID: <1bc5e119.3676de9a@aol.com>
<< Partway through the song, Jeff Plate (drummer) would start playing
along with the recording, and gradually, the rest of the band would join
in. This might have been a different song, but I believe it was "Christmas
Eve/Sarajevo (12-24)." Unfortunately, Savatage is one of those bands that
I've wanted to see live for awhile and have consistently missed several
opportunities to do so.>>
Im not sure if they ever did join the song actually back then. I think it was
just a full recoded intro, but they did play Christmas Eve (Sarajevo 12/24)
live this year as part of a medly on the European leg of the Wake of Magellan
Tour back in November.
Savatage Rules!
G!
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:24:52 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Magna Carta news...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981215172452.006b6550@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
>> Simon's recording and performing credits include: Jack Bruce, Jeff
>> Beck, Pete Townshend, Mick Jagger, Mike Oldfield, John Wetton, Frank
>> Zappa, Peter Gabriel, Judas Priest, Toto and Joe Satriani.
>
>Wow, wow, wow!!!!! What is this? Does this foplks PLAY on the album???
>How can Zappa play on it? Otherwise the namelist is really awesome!
>Woohoo!
>CyberDuke
Simmer down, CD. :) The note says " *SIMON'S* recording and performing
credits include". The list is a list of the people Simon has worked or
played with in the past.
ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:30:04 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Oh...just musings....
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF0330E3@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey guys,
]From Si:
>singer ). Which is precisely what I actually said; so why are you
citing
>me as an example of KJLB Bashing Inc.?
Er...because you bashed him...but that wasn't the point, I just hate to
see KJLB get bashed when in fact he is awsome, your post just happened
to be the last of a number of straws...
]From Adam:
>James has by FAR the most difficult job when DT is on tour. You can
hear
etc,etc...
<snip>
HORRAH! at the risk of citing a god-awful Disney song "Lets stick
together Yeah, yeah, yeah!" (name that movie)
I agree with your whole post...!
Lets put this to bed (well for at least another month or so).
And hey, Jeff Falk - next time you have some tantelizing info (like the
origins of some music etc) just tell us straight away!
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:28:07 EST
From: AnalogGal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: My new pal! NDTC
Message-ID: <4a9b2c1f.3676e277@aol.com>
The AnalogGal's new friend, JEFF, writes:
<< 4. Union - Self-titled (ACK! A non-prog band!! For shame, Webmistress!!
>FOR SHAME!)
What's especially shameful is that this is also one of my favorite
albums of this year (and it can't be that good if I like it, ha ha ha).
While it's definitely not Prog with a capital P, "Let it Flow" (track six,
I believe) is damn close. The whole album is well-crafted and skillfuly
played to say the least. The drumming is as tight as . . . well, I'd
better not finish that sentence. The guitar-playing (by former Ki$$
guitarist Bruce Kulick) rips as well. >>
Not only is UNION an incredible band, they're also the NICEST bunch of people
you could ever meet. I had the opportunity to spend a lot of time on the road
with them when they were out here on the East Coast in September (handling
merchandising and being everyone's favorite redheaded paparazzi), and we had a
great time. Bruce Kulick, in addition to being one of my favorite guitarists
of all time, is surprisingly non-rock-star, and the whole band treated me as
if I were their fifth member. (I should have tried to get them to change the
billing to "UNION, featuring Christina on kazoo and washboard!!") They even
got me a cake on my birthday!! Great guys, great music. Total gentlemen.
No-bullshit, just rock and roll!
***And it won't be long til the voice of truth has had its say.***
Christina
http://dereksherinian.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:48:40 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: XMas Eve performed by Savatage, MP a Daddy again?
Message-ID: <ed8d4008.3676e748@aol.com>
Hey all -
>> and i guess i'm just wondering how the song was
>> performed live, if ever, by Savatage.....
> Interesting question..... I wish I knew the answer! Anybody?
Actually, some time ago, Open All Night Records posted a set list of a
Savatage gig played in France recently. (At the time, I e-mailed them about
the show, and they said that they'd be issuing it in December). Anyway, the
show had a KILLER set list (I wish that I had copied it down), and if I
remember correctly, the band performed X-Mas Eve/Sarajevo at that show. I am
really looking forward to hearing this, and I hope that the December boot-
release date they gave me is accurate.
Also, I don't think that this has been posted yet, but this appeared in the
most recent issue of Metal Edge during the 1998 Year in Review section:
[Mike is] looking forward to "doing a Liquid Tension Experiment tour in
January, the next DT album (we have some cool stuff up our sleeves), and most
importantly, the birth of my second child - and my first boy! - in March."
Holy Crap!! Mike, if this is true, big fat hearty Congrats!!
That's it for now. C-Ya!!
- Matt T.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:21:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Oh...just musings....
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981215182048.24894A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Dave Ware wrote:
> HORRAH! at the risk of citing a god-awful Disney song "Lets stick
> together Yeah, yeah, yeah!" (name that movie)
The Parent Trap, with Hayley Mills, and ... well ... Hayley Mills.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage!
ICQ: 2513441
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"Friends are people who help you move. But
REAL friend help you move BODIES."
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:41:44 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: yts <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Does Humor Belong in Music?
Message-ID: <3676F3B8.2C67@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Mauricio wroteth:
> What about Alex Lifeson? He worked on a gas station too, and if Zakk hit
> the jackpot with ozzy, what did Alex hit? The damn Lotto twice i say! :)
What about Frank Zappa? He wrote a song "Wind Up Working at a Gas
Station"
Frank printed all the counterfeit money used to fund that Lootto :)
Ok, in another unrelated story, allow me to once again don my marketing
cap:
Notice how some of the gas stations have those adorable little video
screens now to inundate the brain-dead sheep with various subliminal
messages about buying the latest 80W90 rear end oil (for the rear end of
a CAR, ya perv! :).....
Well, here's a thought (the cranially advanced are probably a paragaph
of thought ahead of me, but...):
Pump [:)] DT through those videos!
Ok, just to show you I can every much as prejudiced as anyone else on
the jam:
The type of music is a function of the grade of gas purchased and obeys
the following generalized formula:
SHRED FACTOR = (1 / OCTANE)
That's inversely proportional, you stupid putz! Try logging off and
doing you homework once and while, instead of begging the dealer for
another rock :)
The reasoning is as follows:
Rich people are stuffy old eccentrics and can't appreciate shred. Rich
people must not be allowed to appreciate DT full-on. Poor people can't
afford high test. Poor people understand what it means to suffer, and
appreciate the things in life that TRULY matter. Therefore, poor people
listen to cool music.
You do want people to return to the pumps, so playing the appropriate
songs is critical.
With that in mind I propose rotating setlists, an example of which might
be:
Unleaded Regular -> Under A Glass Moon
Unleaded Premium -> Wait For Sleep
Leaded Regular ---> Paradigm Shift :) <-- cuz we all know really really
cool people still run them old V8 muscle cars and like to go FAST!
Electric Cars/Ethanol/and other alternative fuels ---> Chromakey :)
Upgrades to the system, you ask? No problem: a camera is installed to
analyze the make/model of car being filled as well as the individual
pumping. After running the output of the image processor into the
prejudice algorithm, a profile about the pumper is formed, so as to
select the appropriate tune. An example might be, oh, let's say, showing
the "Condom Scene" from Live In Tokyo, whenever a pimp mobile pulls up.
The generalized formula for this is left as an excercise for the
reader....Hint: if you manage to solve it, you must be working at a Gas
Station and have wayyyyy too much time on your hands :)
Disclaimer: None....have at it!
mikE signatured:
> "May God stand between you and harm
> In all the empty places where you must walk..."
Since one of the laws of physics states that two objects can't occupy
the same place at the same time, I'm always walking in empty
places....oh wait, you meant it figuratively.
"May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house."--
George Carlin
Adam wroteth:
> I'm glad to see a few folks defending James on OIAL. I do have to say that
> anyone who says James is finished or "going downhill" knows absolutely
> nothing about Dream Theater's live history. I'm no expert, either, but the
> 60 DT shows I own gets me a little better perspective than those that base
> their opinions simply on LatM, OIAL and (oh jeezus) the gruesome Tokyo PPV
> show.
To the mind that is open to hear everything there's obviously moments on
LatM, for example, where his voice is quite fine! Consider the
perspective of someone who bases their opinion just on the above, and
you already understand the audience you're dealing with. It's not worth
it :) It's nitpicking for people to even go there.
Seriously though:
How about his voice on "Speak To Me" off 5YIAL. Isn't that the most
god-awful thing you've ever heard? Heck, the vocals on "Damage, Inc"
blow it away. Wouldn't you rather an entire 3CD collection of James
growling like that? C'mon, man....WAKE UP!!!
:)
> To compare the live performances of someone, say, on the
> pittiful QR Hear in the Now Frontier tour to James after 50 shows in three
> months is ludicrous.
You pretty much summed it up right there, Adam (the part about how many
gigs they do during a tour, that is). They live for the Live Tour, which
is ok by us :) Takes its toll sometimes, though, don't it? Why this is
so hard for peeps to understand is beyond me. Then again, I just cleaned
the .50 caliber, so why not just.....oh nevermind
Regards,
Jon
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:46:33 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Sieges Even Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809132@messaging>
Does anyone like or listen to Sieges Even? I have heard very favorable reviews, especially of their album "Steps" (supposedly it sounds like a very technical Rush with a better vocalist - no offense to the Rush fans - I love Geddy's vox myself)...
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:06:59 -0500 From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Message-ID: <3676C163.B51B2742@softhome.net>
Jeffrey Falk wrote:
> If anyone besides me has been wondering exactly what it is that > Dream Theater has been playing regularly in the middle of "Metropolis Part > I" for awhile now and still does not know, I recently received the answer > from the Soy Bomber himself. (Thank you again, Mr. Portnoy.) I'm > referring to the section that appears around six minutes into the track on > _Once in a Livetime_. Anyone interested can let me know. > > Jeff Falk > jefffalk@bu.edu
I am most certainly interested. It sounds to me like a rearrangement of "Big Dumb Sex" by Soundgarden, but what does Mr. Portnoy say?
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:33:32 EST From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: James Message-ID: <5bed709e.3676ffdc@aol.com>
<< I just urge people to give James a break. It's a tough job and he does it very professionally. >>
Bravo Adam. For some reason it has taken me the longest time to really appreciate vocals. I have always enjoyed LeBrie's voice, unless it got between me and what I was really listening to (the music). Then after a while I really tried to concentrate on him being part of the music, the melody of his voice, not so much the cut/blunt words of vocals. So far it has worked and I have a much better appreciation for vocals in general and LeBrie specifically. I personally think he is awesome throughout most of OIALT.
But, Man !!!! I LOVE watching Myung in 5YIALT. He has the longest fingers. . reminds me of ET. He plays so strong...amazing. :-)
Later Jammers,
_____Nikki______________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:02:07 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: well, now that's you've discovered why I am NOT a betting man Message-ID: <19981216010207.17060.qmail@hotmail.com>
(reference to a previous post in which I predicted a Lions victory on Monday night)
memo to jeff falk, please feel free to share soy bomber imparted info, maybe one of these days, I might get around to listening to OiaL again.....
life is busy, but isn't that the way it always is around these times, especially if you have that deadweight bearing the title "Student" around your neck?
Best concerts i've been to this year, in order......Savatage, Al Dimeola, Dream Theater, Lunar Crush/Hump, Drivin'n'cryin.....I don't get out enough :(
oh, satriani....ummmm, stick that in, ummmmm....either before or after D'n'C, your choice.....
About that band Hump i just mentioned above, pretty darn cool metal act, local to Detroit, released an album last month "Hump This", if you can get past the overly obvious sexual nature of the bad's name, they are a pretty darn FUN outfit to watch on stage........good energy, decent solos (the lead git credits Satriani and Dave Mustaine as influences in a local music mag interview) and the drummer, although he doesn't really get to show it off on the disc, calls his influences the likes of Neil Peart, Bill Bruford, and some guy named Portnoy......
i was wearing a Fates Warning shirt the night i saw them, and the drummer (Ken May) picked up on that, always cool to have that noticed by a source i didn't expect it from
Just in case you'd care for a decent dose of metal-ish music that doesn't bother going into the grunge nor hardcore attitudes that's dominating today's radio metal scene, Hump delivers the straight stuff, as much as it can be in the 90s i guess, check out
www.detroitsound.com/hump
the web page sucks, but they have sound clips, in liquid audio format, which i've never heard of (but they provide a link for D'Ling the player....)
partha
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:15:07 +0900 From: "hitomi iwai" <hattie@mb.kcom.ne.jp> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: LATM...<gasp> overdubs?? Message-ID: <001801be2891$bd33a540$cf5aaed2@toshiba-user>
Hi there...
"appoggiatura !" wrote:
> I would like to say that I, for one, do NOT believe that LATM is >vocally dubbed. I have a boot from that tour and James sounds just as >good as he does on LATM.
I read an interview with Mike carried in the December issue of one Japanese Drum magazine. According to these interview pages, When an interviewer asked him if "OiAL" was overdubbed or not, he said that James overdubbed his vocal lines on "LaTM" and "ACoS" for sure. And he also said a remarkable point of "OiAL" was that James didn't do it at all this time. . .
hitomi,
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:27:33 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Opeth Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9812152326470.11482-100000@jaca>
Well, it seems that I've been having an increasing number of inquiries about Opeth. So, I decided to give you a bit more of information about this very original band (which some argue that has just started a new branch in heavy metal).
The information that follows comes from my homepage dedicated to Nectar, the Opeth mailing list, were I also give some background on the band. The page features links to other homepages and also to their 3 full-lenght albums on CD Now. I expect to be adding links to other side projects/special participations to the homepage very soon.
The URL of the page is: <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/>.
Hope this helps, Roger...
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Who is Opeth
Opeth is a Swedish band which could be described as a heavy metal band, but this description wouldn't really do any justice to the special kind of music that they play: their music transcends categorization, for it blends elements from 70's progressive rock with elements from the 80's traditional heavy rock, jazz, classical music (mainly from the Baroque era), and 90's death and black metal. Their compositions are usually very long (for example, every track from the "Morningrise" album is above the 10 minute mark, with one song even clocking at over 20 minutes), and they usually let the listener experience many mood changes, in what could be described as true "journeys" of many discoveries. The songs (which are very complex and whose transitions never let the listener be bored) have both fast, energetic passages and a-capella singing and acoustic interludes. The vocals (ranging from growls to clean singing) are usually very sparse in the songs, with most of the music being instrumental, in the very same fashion that the 70's progressive rock bands (like Camel, for instance) composed their songs. The focus of the music is both on the technical aspects of the music and on emotion. Also, their compositions aren't suited for background music listening, since they demand considerable attention from the listener to the number of details present in each song. The focus on emotion is clear after listening just to a few minutes of the albums: the fast passages convey profound sadness, despair, and hate to the listener, while the incredibly beautiful, melodic acoustic parts transmit the feelings of loneliness, and sorrow. Overall, the music has a very dark atmosphere, but everything is done with taste. The albums feature excellent production, that helps the listener pick the details present in the songs, even during the heaviest passages. I seriously invite the reader to experience such magic moments from an incredibly talented and creative band, which probably won't have the opportunity of selling many copies of their records. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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