YTSEJAM Digest 4505
Today's Topics:
1) TSO + DTC
by rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
2) Myung moment
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
3) Re: Sieges Even
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Live Vocals
by Jim <roadie@inct.net>
5) Christmas CD '98
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4503
by Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net>
8) re: Does Humor Belong In Music
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
9) FW: Perpetual Motion Awards 1998
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
10) Re: Sieges even
by Henri Serton <hserton@xs4all.nl>
11) freddie mercury tribute?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
12) Shake yer booty... and then some.
by AL <al@isd.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4504
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:24:52 -0600
From: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: TSO + DTC
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981215202450.006ffbbc@mail.midsouth.rr.com>
Did anyone record TSO on the Rosie show last year? I would love to get a
copy. I have a tape of the recent Conan appearence or plenty of other
stuff to trade. See the url below my list.
DTC:
Does anyone have an extra Dream Theater "Dreambill" from the Limelight gig
in '93? Or have one they want to sell? I would pay what most people would
say is an insane amount for it.
Later,
Richard
e-mail: rwarren1@midsouth.rr.com
www: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/rwarren
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:18:06 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Myung moment
Message-ID: <199812160217.VAA09756@maila.wm.edu>
Alright, so I'm wasting time not studying for finals, but whatever...
Yesterday, after (once again!) missing the bus back to my dorm, I was
loitering in a Books-a-Million store here in lovely ole south Virginia,
hangin' near the magazine section, and get sucked in by Metal Maniac(s?).
Okay, they had the traditional metal cheese factor going on (aka not very
polished, lots of black and white pages, obviously a not very funded
magazine, shall we say, but cool due to subject matter, also obviously),
but the CONTENT. They covered Powermad, which was pretty cool - despite
all the fiascos I've gotten to hear about it would've been cool to have
been there - and also they had a section on great bassists that have had a
big impact on the industry. But the BEST part was on the table of contents
page, there's this picture of MYUNG at the top, with the caption, "Woops!
Missed one! Myung kills!"
Alright so they didn't mention him in the actual article, but they did use
him to plug it, which counts for something. Just wanted to share my DT
experience of the week. :)
Alex
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:14:43 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Sieges Even
Message-ID: <199812160314.TAA05962@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., David Dixon thus begged:
>
>Does anyone like or listen to Sieges Even? I have heard very favorable
>reviews, especially of their album "Steps" (supposedly it sounds like a very
>technical Rush with a better vocalist - no offense to the Rush fans - I love
>Geddy's vox myself)...
>
>David Dixon, MCP
>Internet Developer
>Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
>david@iisweb.com
Highly technical... but different on every album... Steps and
Sophisticated and A Sense of Change are all totally technical and they
even attempt to rival Watchtower.
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:17 -0500 From: Jim <roadie@inct.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Live Vocals Message-ID: <36772F9C.923B93B7@inct.net>
Someone posted: > To compare the live performances of someone, say, on the > pittiful QR Hear in the Now Frontier tour to James after 50 shows in three > months is ludicrous.
Forgive me if I am reading this wrong, but if the poster is stating that Geoff's vocals on the HitNF tour were pitiful, then they saw a different show than I did.
Geoff's vocals were amazing, he hit every note, even on strainers like "The Lady Wore Black".
I have never had the pleasure of seeing DT live, and the only live vocal i have heard is the TTT MP3 from the NAMM show, and what I heard sounded pretty good to me.
Just my .02 cents worth..
Jim (aka Roadie)
NP: SAGA: Heads or Tales
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:35:32 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Christmas CD '98 Message-ID: <36773894.101FEE67@home.com>
Michael J. Emerson wrote:
> i was just wondering...i don't recall this being mentioned (or if it > was, i must've overlooked it...), but does anyone know if there's going > to be a DTIFC Christmas CD this year and, if so, what the content is > going to be?
Yes there will be. I believe it's going to contain some live tracks.
--
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:36:47 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <v01540b02b29c9f6e8c1d@[128.197.7.175]>
>And hey, Jeff Falk - next time you have some tantelizing info (like the >origins of some music etc) just tell us straight away!
>memo to jeff falk, please feel free to share soy bomber imparted info, >maybe one of these days, I might get around to listening to OiaL >again..... My purpose in not sending it right away was to determine if anyone actually reads what I send here. I was pleasantly surprised. However: I really wasn't sure that so many people didn't know. Also, I wasn't sure if anybody really cared either. What is "tantalizing info" to me usually means nothing to the rest of the world (well, maybe not usually . . . but quite often).
>The AnalogGal's new friend, JEFF, writes: I sincerely appreciate you calling me a friend. That means, when I die, I can say I had one once. However, you might want to reconsider, since being my friend seems to be the most shameful position in the world.
>> To compare the live performances of someone, say, on the >> pittiful QR Hear in the Now Frontier tour to James after 50 shows in three >> months is ludicrous. Call me crazy (I'm sure you do anyway), but I saw Queensryche on that tour (in Philadelphia), and I thought Mr. Tate kicked major arse, especially considering he has (had?) a bad smoking habit and is not exactly a youth anymore. Unless you're referring to the part of the tour when he suffered from an illness--then, I think you have to cut him even more slack. I would agree with anyone though (imagine that) that LaBrie is a phenomenal singer who performs admirably well, consistently, on the road.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu now playing on my stereo: Trans-Siberian Orchestra _The Christmas Attic_
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:30:24 -0800 From: Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4503 Message-ID: <36776190.2C03@iag.net>
Adam Pye wrote: > > I just urge people to give James a break. It's a tough job and he does it > very professionally.
Hear, hear. James was great on the FII tour, and I can't believe that so many people who call DT "OFB" keep thinking who would be a better lead singer than James. It's like Yes, who better than Jon Anderson? OIAL is an honest recording, I'd rather have it that way. James rates very highly in my book. His live talents have come a long way, and his studio work has always much impressed me.
Joseph
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:58:27 -0700 From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: Does Humor Belong In Music Message-ID: <199812160614.XAA14904@ganymede.aculink.net>
a chunk of what Jon wrote:
>With that in mind I propose rotating setlists, an example of which might >be >Unleaded Regular -> Under A Glass Moon >Unleaded Premium -> Wait For Sleep >Leaded Regular ---> Paradigm Shift :) <-- cuz we all know really really >cool people still run them old V8 muscle cars and like to go FAST! >Electric Cars/Ethanol/and other alternative fuels ---> Chromakey :)
Umm... what about diesel? ;o)
-Geoffrey
"...we exist in a world where the fear of illusion is real..."
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:10:11 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: FW: Perpetual Motion Awards 1998 Message-ID: <3677CD53.1DA5@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
here are the final results from the Perpetual Motion Awards 1998. http://www.mindcage.com
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Prog Metal Disc: *1.Shadow Gallery- "Tyranny" 2. Pain of Salvation- "One Hour by the Concrete Lake" 3. Symphony X- "Twilight in Olympus" Honorable Mention: Athena- "A New Religion?", Savatage-" The Wake of the Magellen," Superior- "Younique"
Power Metal Disc: 1. Blind Guardian- "Nightfall in Middle Earth" 2. Iced Earth- "Something Wicked This Way Comes" 3. Angra- "Fireworks Honorable Mention: Rhapsody- Symphony of Enchanted Lands, Edguy- Vain Glory Opera, Evergrey- The Dark Discovery
Prog Rock/Neo-Prog Disc: 1. Ayreon- Into the Electric Castle 2. Tie: Arena- "The Visitor"/Explorer's Club- "Age of Impact" Honorable Mention: Spock's Beard- "Kindness of Strangers"
Black/Death disc: 1. Tie- Opeth: "My Arms, Your Hearse"/Death-" The Sound of Perseverance" 3. Covenant- "Nexus Polaris" Honorable Mention: Dan Swano- "Moontower" AOR disc: 1. Guild of Ages- "One" 2. Dare- "Calm Before the Storm" 3. Snakes in Paradise- "Garden of Eden" Honorable Mention: Savannah- "Savannah"
Instrumental disc: *1.Liquid Tension Experiment- "LTE" 2. Vitalij Kuprij- "Extreme Measures" 3. Explorer's Club- "Age of Impact"
Technical: *1.Power of Omens- "Eyes of the Oracle" 2. Death- "The Sound of Perseverance" 3. Liquid Tension Experiment- "LTE"
Live disc: *1.Fates Warning- "Still Life" 2. Stratovarius- "Visions of Europe" 3. Rush- "Different Stages" Honorable Mention- Dream Theater- "Once in a Livetime"
Extreme disc (stuff that just don't fit anywhere else): *1.Therion- "Vovin" 2. Theatre of Tragedy- "Aegis" 3. Anathema- "Alternative IV"
Band: 1. Shadow Gallery 2. Symphony X 3. Blind Guardian Honorable Mention: Pain of Salvation
Vocalist: 1. Russell Allen (Symphony X) 2. Mike Baker (Shadow Gallery) 3. Tie: Ray Alder (Fates Warning)/Chris Salinas (Power of Omens) Honorable Mention: DC Cooper (Royal Hunt), Daniel Gildenlow ( Pain of Salvation)
Guitarist: 1. Michael Romeo (Symphony X) 2. John Petrucci (Dream Theater) 3. Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius) Honorable Mention: Rob Johnson (Magnitude 9)
Bassist: 1. John Myung (Dream Theater) 2. Carl Cadden-James (Shadow Gallery) 3. Tony Levin (King Crimson, Liquid Tension Experiment) Honorable Mention: Thomas Miller (Symphony X)
Drummer: 1. Mark Zonder (Fates Warning) 2. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater) Tie: Jorg Michael (Stratovarius), Alex Arellano (Power of Omens) Honorable Mention: Thomas Stauch (Blind Guardian)
Keyboardist: 1. Jens Johansson (Stratovarius) 2. Chris Ingles (Shadow Gallery) Tie: Kevin Moore (Chroma Key)/Vitalij Kuprij (Artension) Honorable Mention: Michael Pinnella (Symphony X)
Song: 1. New World Order (Shadow Gallery) 2. Through the Looking Glass (Symphony X) 3. Test of Wills (Power of Omens) Honorable Mention: Bands with multiple nominations: Angra, Shadow Gallery, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, Symphony X
Producer/team: 1. Carl Cadden-James, Gary Wehrkamp, & Shadow Gallery 2. Flemming Rasmussen & Blind Guardian 3. Jim Morris Honorable Mention: Jon Olivia, & Paul O'Neil
Song writer(s): 1. Carl Cadden-James, Chris Ingles, Mike Baker 2. David DeFeis 3. Arjen Anthony Lucassen Honorable Mention: Hansi Kursch/ Andre Olbrich, Jim Matheos
Cover Art: 1. "Nightfall in Middle Earth" - Andreas Marschall 2. "Into the Electric Castle"- Jef Bertels 3. "Siege Perilous"- Derek Gores
Label: 1. Nuclear Blast 2. Magna Carta 3. LMP Honorable Mention: Century Media, Noise
Band most deserving of a Major label deal: 1. Symphony X 2. Digital Ruin 3. Zero Hour Honorable Mention: Reading Zero
Band least deserving of a Major label deal: 1. Dream Theater 2. Korn 3. Metallica Honorable Mention: Hammerfall
Rookie: 1. Zero Hour 2. Power of Omens 3. Evergrey Honorable Mention: Magnitude 9, Eniac Requiem
Come back of the year: 1. Helloween- "Better than Raw" 2. Kamelot- "Siege Perilous" 3. Tie: Bruce Dickinson- "The Chemical Wedding"/ Angra- "Fireworks"
Disappointment disc: 1. "XIII"-Iron Maiden 2. " Siege Perilous"- Kamelot 3. "Younique"- Superior Honorable Mention: "Once in a Livetime"- Dream Theater
Shit-eater (aka Worst) disc: *1. "XIII"- Iron Maiden 2. "Follow the Leader"- Korn 3. Tie: "Younique" (Superior)/ "Mechanical Animals" (Marilyn Manson)
Most Anticipated disc of '99: 1. Queensryche 2. Digital Ruin 3. Crimson Glory Honorable Mention: Sanvoisen, Dali's Dilemma
Band you most want to see tour the US (open to US residents only): 1. Tie: Shadow Gallery/Symphony X 3. Blind Guardian Honorable Mention: Stratovarius, Angra
Band you most want to see tour Europe (open to European residents): 1. Shadow Gallery 2. Rhapsody 3. Ocean Machine Honorable Mention: Pain of Salvation
Hall of Fame (3 inductees): 1. Dream Theater 2. Queensryche 3. Savatage Honorable Mention: Rush, Shadow Gallery, Iron Maiden
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:39:41 +0100 From: Henri Serton <hserton@xs4all.nl> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Sieges even Message-ID: <367755AD.9C53DA32@xs4all.nl>
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:46:33 -0700 > From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> > To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> > Subject: Sieges Even > Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809132@messaging> > > Does anyone like or listen to Sieges Even? I have heard very favorable > reviews, especially of their album "Steps" (supposedly it sounds like a very > technical Rush with a better vocalist - no offense to the Rush fans - I love > Geddy's vox myself)...
Yes! I listen to Sieges Even all the time! Not to "steps" by the way. The vocalist on "steps is awful!! The album you mean is "a sense of change".On of my all time favorite albums. I don't care much for their first two album's but "a sense of change" "Sophisticated" and their latest "uneven" are very good. The singer on "a sense of change" is Jogi Kaiser and indeed very good. But the singer they have now is also fine.
I can not recommend them enough check them out NOW! Especially "a sense of change".
More info on:
Their Official website. Still under construction:
And a very good fan website:
http://www.incoma.ru/~vasia/sieges/main.htm
I hope this helps.
--
Henri
hserton@xs4all.nl Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hserton/ The result's of greed ??? Go to http://ios.org/pubs/Article6.html
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:24:11 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: freddie mercury tribute? Message-ID: <19981216072411.1674.qmail@hotmail.com>
> i have the recording of Extreme doing that Queen tribute show
speaking of the tribute, anyone else got the geroge michael best of that came out last month? it's got his take on "somebody to love" as performed at that concert......highlight of the set, along with the song "monkey"
:)
partha
"why do i have to share love with you with a monkey?"
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:41:28 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Shake yer booty... and then some. Message-ID: <36776428.3B5C4454@isd.net>
Ivan Navarro wrote: >P.S. Todays project - fixing nail pops in my family room ceiling and >walls resulting from the extremely low frequencies produced by Fates >Warning - APSOG. Man, if you have a good subwoofer, this disc has some >SERIOUS low bass, we're talking about frequencies you feel not hear.
Tell me about it... I have two Altec 515 B's (15") rear loaded in bass horn cabinets the size of a chest freezer, and two 12" JBL drivers loaded in 3.6 cubic foot sealed cabinets for main bass drivers. Not only do I deal with nail pops... But I had to fill the door to my family room with expanding foam because it was starting to de-laminate. All the pictures in the room have the glass siliconed in place to keep them from buzzing and silicone pads on the back to keep them quiet and in place. The heat registers and overhead lights have undergone some minor modifications to keep them quiet as well. This system with NO EQ, and no tone controls (I.E. flat) has a -3 Db down point of 22 Hz! (No, this does NOT sound like one of the brutha's Boom-ditty-Boom car stereos) The system is FLAT from 31 Hz to 22 kHz. The -10 Db point (what most home speaker manufacturers use as a reference for specs) is somewhere around 18 Hz to...... Just below visible light. :)
With sixteen 4" JBL midrange drivers (8 each channel) in a phased array, and two JBL / Zomax engineering 2" inverted titanium dome compression horns (1 each channel) @ 112 Db SPL 1 watt - 1 meter, the mids & hi's have no problem keeping up.
I don't normally play the system that loud, but it's nice to keep the "room" quiet on those rare occasions I let the amplifiers stretch their legs a little.
Fortunately my family room is 24' x 14', completely underground in the lower level of the house, and the only thing under the carpet is padding... And a solid concrete foundation. I only have one neighbor and they are located on the opposite side of the house from the family room. <grin>
If I play APSoG at about one kilowatt it will blur your vision... I shit you not! Oh, and King's X "Dogman" has enough bottom end to shatter bricks.
-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:02:01 EST From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4504 Message-ID: <35ed3905.36777709@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-12-15 20:39:17 EST, you write:
<< What's especially shameful is that this is also one of my favorite albums of this year (and it can't be that good if I like it, ha ha ha). While it's definitely not Prog with a capital P, "Let it Flow" (track six, I believe) is damn close. The whole album is well-crafted and skillfuly played to say the least. The drumming is as tight as . . . well, I'd better not finish that sentence. The guitar-playing (by former Ki$$ guitarist Bruce Kulick) rips as well. >> >> Actually, the UNION album was one of the most anticipated releases of the year for me, having been turned on to John Corabi through his Motley Crue connection. But, in all honesty, it is a real let down for me. The hooks don't grab me (except "Pain Behind Your Eyes," "Love (Don't Need It Anymore)," "Tangerine," and "October Morning Wind") John's voice could have used more effects. Yes, Bruce sounds excellent. The drumming is very good. But the whole album is too dark for my taste. It sounds like the logical combination of Motley's self-titled album and KI$$'s "Carnival Of Souls," which is perfectly understandable. Too bad it doesn't have the songwriting of the former and the distribution of the latter. In any event, it's not a bad first album, it's nowhere near the top of my list for the year. I'm not sure if I'll buy the forthcoming live album (how can you release a live album after one album and a handful of shows- are you listening Judas Priest!?!).
Richie
P.S. And I can vouch for the fact that Bruce is a great guy. I met him at a Warrant concert two New Year's Eves ago and was very down to earth.
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