YTSEJAM Digest 4506
Today's Topics:
1) Website Update
by Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
2) Sieges Even...
by Ivan =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E5rdg=E5rd?= <ivan@2mtv.no>
3) Re: Sieges Even
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
4) New Progressive Band
by INNSOUL@aol.com
5) Re: Ytsejam #4505 / Jon Anderson
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
6) PM - Awards
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de
7) Nightwish mp3 (the whole song)
by Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi>
8) Re: LaBrie
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
9) Sorry!
by Nick Storr <nstorr@ozemail.com.au>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4505
by "Kenn Jensen" <kenn@email.dk>
11) Random stuff
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
12) Re: XMas Eve performed by Savatage, MP a Daddy again?
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
13) Re: FW: Perpetual Motion Awards 1998
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
14) Re: Random stuff
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
15) Rush live gold / Labrie
by Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
16) Perpetual Motion Awards
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
17) Sex and the touring vocalist.
by Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:05:56 +0000
From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: maxverran@hotmail.com
Subject: Website Update
Message-ID: <H000086f010aadb9@MHS>
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More updates and more links!!
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:21:02 +0100
From: Ivan =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E5rdg=E5rd?= <ivan@2mtv.no>
To: DT Mailinglist <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Sieges Even...
Message-ID: <36776D6D.2873479A@2mtv.no>
David Dixon:
Does anyone like or listen to Sieges Even? I have heard very favorable
reviews, especially of their album "Steps" (supposedly it sounds like a
very
technical Rush with a better vocalist - no offense to the Rush fans - I
love
Geddy's vox myself)...
I've got this record, but I wouldn't say that Rush was the first thing
that came up on my mind...
They sound like...German...and together with their album-cover, It gives
me some strange vibes...
i the van
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:31:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Sieges Even
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981216011737.26035A-100000@square.cds.caltech.edu>
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
>
> Does anyone like or listen to Sieges Even? I have heard very favorable
> reviews, especially of their album "Steps" (supposedly it sounds like a very
> technical Rush with a better vocalist - no offense to the Rush fans - I love
> Geddy's vox myself)...
I have all of SE's CDs. Except for the one on "A Sense of Change," the
vocalists in SE are pretty bad. The one on Steps, in particular, is so
terrible that his efforts have made me laugh. That's kinda cold, I know,
but it's true.
As for them being technical, that part is very true. SE is
super-technical at everything they've done, but their "Rush" era consists
of the CDs Sense of Change and Steps. If you're big on Rush, I recommend
you start with those. My own favorite happens to be Sense of Change,
mainly because I really like the melodies on that CD. Steps is a really,
uh, "moody" CD (goes through lots of mood swings), but it does have a
kick-ass 25-minute song:).
I got mp3s of their stuff. If you want some, let me know.
Also, I forgot to mention that ALL their CDs are awesome.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:34:12 EST
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: New Progressive Band
Message-ID: <5bee3c2b.36777e94@aol.com>
<shameless plug>
Visit The Official Site Of Money For The Toll. Download some sample wavs or
MP3s. You will not be disappointed!
http://www.mftt.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:39:20 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Ytsejam #4505 / Jon Anderson
Message-ID: <117869409C@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>James. It's like Yes, who better than Jon Anderson?
Pretty much anyone going, I'd have thought. I like Yes and all
that, but the vocals always got on my nerves as a rule. JMO.
Si
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:04:41 +0100
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: PM - Awards
Message-ID: <9812161002.AA18073@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hoi!
Had to jump out of the lurker's hole...
>Shit-eater (aka Worst) disc:
>3.Tie: "Younique" (Superior)/ "Mechanical Animals" (Marilyn Manson)
WAHARHARHARHAR!!! :)))) Is that an honor or what? :)))
bye
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For information about Superior have a look at:
http://www.truemetal.org/superior
http://www.fine.de/superior
http://www.noiserecords.com
---------------------------------------------------------
Why be normal?
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:05:56 +0200
From: Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Nightwish mp3 (the whole song)
Message-ID: <F12B2785885AD1118687000629866EED0FD583@AVENAEXC>
Oi!
My friend put the whole "Passion and the Opera" mp3 on his homepage. It
will be there for this week, so check it out if you want to hear new
Nightwish. Now I haven't heard it as I don't have that friggin soundcard
on my computer so I know nothing about the quality... etc.
http://www.sit.fi/~fear/Nightwish-PassionAndTheOpera.zip
Enjoy! The album is a killer!
Tanja (Tenze)
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:47:06 -0600
From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LaBrie
Message-ID: <3678E12A.BCF@rollanet.org>
what needs to be realized also is that comparing OIALT with 5YIALT is in
itself wrong... OIALT is a ONE-NIGHT recording, 5yialt is spread out
all over the place... nearly 3 hours of one night's music on 2 discs is
gonna have some mistakes, and not just Labrie's... if yer looking for
perfection at live shows, yer missing the whole point in the first
place, ya already own the damn albums, live is for the MOMENT, the
experience, the band... would you rather see a bunch of trees up there
playing perfectly all night long, with no entertainment value
whatsoever? I think not... and if that IS true, then put the albums
back in, and quit gripin man, cuz it doesn't get any better than
this... OIALT is awesome in my opinion, in ALL facets...
Tom Cox
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:34:24 +1100
From: Nick Storr <nstorr@ozemail.com.au>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Sorry!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981216103419.0070824c@ozemail.com.au>
Hey...
Thanks for giving my last post the response it deserved (nothing!)
I must've been tired... Sorry!
Nick
Nick Storr
nstorr@ozemail.com.au
members.easyspace.com/honour
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:14:00 +0100
From: "Kenn Jensen" <kenn@email.dk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4505
Message-ID: <000e01be28ed$af42bfa0$8b09f2d4@bcc10174>
Hi everyone
Well I nearly got sick what came up on this list: George Michael. Well
what'll be next...? And some say Metallica is a grayzone, well....
The reason I am writing is this:
Perpetual Motion Awards 1998:
Prog Metal Disc:
1.Shadow Gallery- "Tyranny"
Prog Rock/Neo-Prog Disc:
1. Ayreon- "Into the Electric Castle"
Extreme disc (stuff that just don't fit anywhere else):
1.Therion- "Vovin"
Well what can I say my 3 faves of 1998 becoming No. 1 in each their
catagory - cool!
So if any of you dudes don't have all 3 - get them....
Later
Kenn
Homepage: http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc10174
NP Mesmerize - Tales Of Wonder (anybody know'em..?)
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:32:30 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Random stuff
Message-ID: <000101be28f0$25fd6c60$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
first off, thanks to all of you who have submitted your top 5 lists.
Keep
them coming - please remember, the albums you vote for must have
been released in 1998, and send the lists to me, not to the Ytsejam.
Sieges Even - I have "Sophisticated" and "Uneven". Very complex
and very jazzy. Don't expect pure prog or prog metal and you might
like them, although they take some time to get into.
The more impatient members are already asking why the second
album by Liquid Tension Experiment is taking so long(!). Well, this
picture might be the answer - does it show Mike PornToy recovering
from a heavy drinking session with his German friend Jay Germeister?
http://www.iamdrunk.com/ddecrun2_2.jpg Certainly looks like him.
Arash recently posted the results of some survey - since when has
"Explorers Club" been an instrumental album? Would have been better
if it was.
And then there was the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul
to Santa...
stay safe and happy listening (regardless of which gauge you use)
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag)
Currently playing: Electric Wizard - Supercoven
"Go back to bed America, your government is in control" Bill Hicks
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:09:46 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: XMas Eve performed by Savatage, MP a Daddy again?
Message-ID: <19981216130947.5813.qmail@hotmail.com>
This is definitely true!! Well, I can't vouge for the boy part, but his
wife is definitely pregnant. I saw her and Melody (his beautiful
daughter) walking around at the clinic in LI on the 1st. She is really
a cutie. I think putting a tattoo of her footprint on his shoulder was
such cool idea. As a matter of fact, it gave me and my wife a really
cool idea. We want to put a tattoo of our daughters right palmprint on
my left shoulder and her left palmprint on my wife's right shoulder.
Congratulations Mike!!!
Mike
----Original Message Follows----
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:09:39 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
]From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: XMas Eve performed by Savatage, MP a Daddy again?
Hey all -
>> and i guess i'm just wondering how the song was
>> performed live, if ever, by Savatage.....
> Interesting question..... I wish I knew the answer! Anybody?
Actually, some time ago, Open All Night Records posted a set list of a
Savatage gig played in France recently. (At the time, I e-mailed them
about
the show, and they said that they'd be issuing it in December). Anyway,
the
show had a KILLER set list (I wish that I had copied it down), and if I
remember correctly, the band performed X-Mas Eve/Sarajevo at that show.
I am
really looking forward to hearing this, and I hope that the December
boot-
release date they gave me is accurate.
Also, I don't think that this has been posted yet, but this appeared in
the
most recent issue of Metal Edge during the 1998 Year in Review section:
[Mike is] looking forward to "doing a Liquid Tension Experiment tour in
January, the next DT album (we have some cool stuff up our sleeves), and
most
importantly, the birth of my second child - and my first boy! - in
March."
Holy Crap!! Mike, if this is true, big fat hearty Congrats!!
That's it for now. C-Ya!!
- Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:34:44 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Perpetual Motion Awards 1998
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9812161428280.13163-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Arash Ashouriha wrote:
Okay, my $.02 on the perpetual motion Awards. BTW, Arash... who organized
this poll and how could people vote on it?
> Power Metal Disc:
> 1. Blind Guardian- "Nightfall in Middle Earth"
> 2. Iced Earth- "Something Wicked This Way Comes"
> 3. Angra- "Fireworks
> Honorable Mention: Rhapsody- Symphony of Enchanted Lands, Edguy- Vain Glory
> Opera, Evergrey- The Dark Discovery
What???? Hey come on... Rhapsody's new album is WAAAYYY better than
Angra's. Oh well... I didn't vote, blame me...
> Prog Rock/Neo-Prog Disc:
> 1. Ayreon- Into the Electric Castle
> 2. Tie: Arena- "The Visitor"/Explorer's Club- "Age of Impact" Honorable
> Mention: Spock's Beard- "Kindness of Strangers"
Hmmm... Spock's Beard should be in the top-3, but I agree completely with
Ayreon.
> Instrumental disc:
> *1.Liquid Tension Experiment- "LTE"
> Technical:
> 3. Liquid Tension Experiment- "LTE"
Hehe... no comment:-)
>
> Live disc:
> Honorable Mention- Dream Theater- "Once in a Livetime"
Hmmm... Honorable mention???? what about a f*cking top-3 spot?
> Band least deserving of a Major label deal:
> 1. Dream Theater
HUH??????
> Disappointment disc:
> Honorable Mention: "Once in a Livetime"- Dream Theater
HUH??????
> Hall of Fame (3 inductees):
> 1. Dream Theater
Aha!
And what struck me, was that a lot of voters REALLY seemed to like
Symphony X and Stratovarius. Look how much top-3 spots they have in the
'positive' categories... (two very good bands though, mind you)
Cheers
Zaphod
==============================================================================
Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:45:27 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Random stuff
Message-ID: <19981216134528.9976.qmail@hotmail.com>
It looks more like John Petrucci to me.
----Original Message Follows----
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:45:12 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
]From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Random stuff
Hi all
first off, thanks to all of you who have submitted your top 5 lists.
Keep
them coming - please remember, the albums you vote for must have
been released in 1998, and send the lists to me, not to the Ytsejam.
Sieges Even - I have "Sophisticated" and "Uneven". Very complex
and very jazzy. Don't expect pure prog or prog metal and you might
like them, although they take some time to get into.
The more impatient members are already asking why the second
album by Liquid Tension Experiment is taking so long(!). Well, this
picture might be the answer - does it show Mike PornToy recovering
from a heavy drinking session with his German friend Jay Germeister?
http://www.iamdrunk.com/ddecrun2_2.jpg Certainly looks like him.
Arash recently posted the results of some survey - since when has
"Explorers Club" been an instrumental album? Would have been better
if it was.
And then there was the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul
to Santa...
stay safe and happy listening (regardless of which gauge you use)
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag)
Currently playing: Electric Wizard - Supercoven
"Go back to bed America, your government is in control" Bill Hicks
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:10:53 +0100
From: Dushko <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Rush live gold / Labrie
Message-ID: <3677BF6D.AFC59190@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:28:02 -0700
> From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
> Subject: Different Stages goes Gold
>
> <<<<"DIFFERENT STAGES," the all-new multi-disc live collection from
> Rush, has been certified gold by the RIAA for U.S. sales in excess
> of 500,000 units. With this, their 22nd gold album certification,
> the Canadian trio is now fourth among groups on the RIAA's
> all-time gold certification list,
OK now, so this is like HUGE success right? So what now, will it be
noticed by anyone or ...?
Will someone smeel money out of it? Will prog get more airplay and
exposure?
#35 on Billboard, that's pretty good too, isn't it? But what then?
Will this world get healty again?
No matter how bad it sounds, I realised the same "sickness" in my
country:
Folks just don't listen good music anymore! The problem is not the media
airplay, since the media plays what they thing folks want! And folks
want the cute Hansons and Backstreet Boys! Geez, how can bunch of bands
that sound like the crappy Oasis have so big airplay? What is that
music, like they're all made in same factory!
I heard Americans complaining about MTV and radio broadcasts, but is
that REALLY the problem??? How we're different from others, how did YOU
discovered DT, Rush ...
Who am I to claim that I'm the only intelligent smart-ass who listens
and likes "good" music? Maybe I'm the fool and the world is OK!
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:44:26 -0500
> From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: LaBrie
>
> I'm glad to see a few folks defending James on OIAL.
Ya want support? You have one for sure! :)
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:40:08 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Perpetual Motion Awards Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809133@messaging>
<<< Instrumental disc: *1.Liquid Tension Experiment- "LTE" 2. Vitalij Kuprij- "Extreme Measures" 3. Explorer's Club- "Age of Impact" >>>
Funny how 'Age of Impact' isn't instrumental....
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:34:56 -0500 From: Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Sex and the touring vocalist. Message-ID: <3677E130.E3D11189@mindspring.com>
Adam said: > To compare the live performances of someone, say, on the > pittiful QR Hear in the Now Frontier tour to James after 50 shows in three > months is ludicrous.
Dude, the easiest way of trying to make somebody look good is trying to bash on his competition, and that's exactly what you're trying to do. It's a very cheap shot if I may say so. I saw Geoff on that "pittiful tour" which was still much bigger than what Dream Theater has done, and they went more places too. And guess what, Geoff always delivers from what I'm told. When somebody complains about Geoff Tate, the only complain I hear is "well, he can't hit those high notes anymore". Which in some nights he can - when they played Tampa his voice was awesome and he hit every note on the old stuff, including stuff from Rage for Order which really had me impressed. You will never hear somebody complaining that Geoff is off pitch, or that his voice is just gone after the third song, or that he uses "vocal techniques" that sound lame (like the breathing vowel thing or whatever it's called), much less that people have no idea of what he's singing when he's hitting high notes. So instead of dissing Geoff Tate to try and make LaBrie look good, just do your homework next time, or else shut up.
Christian.
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