YTSEJAM Digest 4507
Today's Topics:
1) Re: PM - Awards
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) re: FW: Perpetual Motion Awards 1998
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Re: PM - Awards
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
4) Re: Nightwish mp3 (the whole song)
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
5) Re: PM - Awards
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
6) Re: The Touring Vocalist
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
7) Korn and an accompanying rant
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
8) Re: Nightwish mp3 (the whole song)
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
9) Follow up on Savatage playing 12/24
by PJgeorge@aol.com
10) LaBrie clarified / QR
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
11) LaBrie/Tate - again for the moron...
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
12) KORG IX-300 WORKSTATION KEYBOARD
by MALDONADO RIBADENEIRA MAURICIO HERNAN
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4505
by MentolPyro@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:19:04 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: yts <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: PM - Awards
Message-ID: <3677EB88.15FB@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> Hoi!
>
> Had to jump out of the lurker's hole...
>
> >Shit-eater (aka Worst) disc:
> >3.Tie: "Younique" (Superior)/ "Mechanical Animals" (Marilyn Manson)
>
> WAHARHARHARHAR!!! :)))) Is that an honor or what? :)))
>
> bye
>
> Bernd
I quickly scanned it and realized why I had never heard of it before.
One of those popular polls. When will the scam artists realize that
perpetual motion can't be acheived? :)))))
With a term like 'shit-eater', it obviously says more about value of the
poll (and the sample of people who would respond) than anything else,
Bernd. Suggestion: Gently place poll out in the left hand lane of the
nearest Autobahn and let a few cars give it the 'honor 'it truly
deserves.
Dave wroteth:
> Funny how 'Age of Impact' isn't instrumental....
The poll isn't either :)
Funny also how they don't deserve a major recording label yet got a vote
for the Hall of Fame? Looks to me like the results represent the views
of perhaps 3 or 4 leaking skulls who sat down one day and decided who
they wanted to bash.
'Tis the season to plant Claymores
Fa la la la la
la la la la
:)
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*"maybe I should write it first and do the living later cuz life is always cleaner on the page" - Chromakey
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:19:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: FW: Perpetual Motion Awards 1998 Message-ID: <19981216171932.1231.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> forwarded to us:
> here are the final results from the Perpetual Motion Awards 1998. > http://www.mindcage.com
What poll was this? I don't remember it being mentioned on the jam, and many of these polls are mentioned here...
> Prog Metal Disc: > *1.Shadow Gallery- "Tyranny" > 2. Pain of Salvation- "One Hour by the Concrete Lake" > 3. Symphony X- "Twilight in Olympus"
Could this poll have come from or been advertised heavily in the "Shadow Gallery" fan club arena?
> Band: > 1. Shadow Gallery > 2. Symphony X > 3. Blind Guardian > Honorable Mention: Pain of Salvation
See what I mean?
> Band least deserving of a Major label deal: > 1. Dream Theater > 2. Korn > 3. Metallica > Honorable Mention: Hammerfall
Aha! It was a poll taken at the "I love Shadow Gallery, but Dream Theater and Metallica broke my heart" club... ;o)
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:07:22 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: PM - Awards Message-ID: <3677F6DA.D8EA223F@pacbell.net>
Jon Parmet wrote: > > I quickly scanned it and realized why I had never heard of it before. > One of those popular polls. When will the scam artists realize that > perpetual motion can't be acheived? :))))) > > With a term like 'shit-eater', it obviously says more about value of the > poll (and the sample of people who would respond) than anything else, > Bernd. Suggestion: Gently place poll out in the left hand lane of the > nearest Autobahn and let a few cars give it the 'honor 'it truly > deserves.
It's funny how some people will open their cake holes when they obviously don't know what the hell they are talking about.
If you didn't notice, "Younique" also received an Honorable Mention for "Prog Metal disc" of the year. FYI, Bernd also happens to post to the PM board... I wonder if he also voted in the poll.
> > Funny how 'Age of Impact' isn't instrumental.... > > The poll isn't either :)
The "Perpetual Motion Awards" poll was conducted by and FOR the people that post on the Perpetual Motion Bulletin Board. I don't think it was meant to be an influence, or of interest to anyone else, except possibly for curiosity's sake.
> Funny also how they don't deserve a major recording label yet got a vote > for the Hall of Fame? Looks to me like the results represent the views > of perhaps 3 or 4 leaking skulls who sat down one day and decided who > they wanted to bash.
And why is that?? Because the results don't conform to what YOU think??
Maybe the results represent the views of a large number of people... each with their own (and quite differing) opinions. Another example of this would be how Kamelot's "Siege Perilous" achieved second place for both the "Come back of the year", AND the "Disappointment disc" of the year.
I find results like that quite interesting... it just goes to show how even people with a common interest (progressive metal music), can have their own particular tastes.
I'm guessing that if Dream Theater had swept the poll in the #1 position, you wouldn't have anything to say.
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://www.dreamt.org/jessie _______________________________ Ytsejam Radio on Real Audio http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:53:01 -0600 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Nightwish mp3 (the whole song) Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF0330E8@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
I just downloaded and listened to the Nightwish MP3, and I had a couple of questions, firstly is this like their latest stuff (this year or whatever) and secondly is this a good representation of the stuff they normally produce...? The reason I ask (and please bear in mind that this is IMHO) is that it sounded like the year was 1986 (85?) again, I was young and spotty (er...spottier) and Europe was at number 1 with The Final Countdown...then my dreams were shattered when the Opera started, and I laughed... I'm sorry but DT are slagged for not being progressive enough, yet they manage to produce great progressive music that is apt for the time in which it is produced....
Raving...
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama)
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:57:24 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: PM - Awards Message-ID: <003901be2925$ed0f8a60$116716cb@graham>
>If you didn't notice, "Younique" also received an Honorable Mention for >"Prog Metal disc" of the year. FYI, Bernd also happens to post to the PM >board... I wonder if he also voted in the poll.
Nor does it surprise me that 'Youique' got a mention in the 'worst' section. After Bernd told me that Youique got a good slagging and that they were calling them a 'Metallica' for selling out with it........
>> > Funny how 'Age of Impact' isn't instrumental....
Oh no kidding, did we stretch the brain with the wealth of information :P
>The "Perpetual Motion Awards" poll was conducted by and FOR the people >that post on the Perpetual Motion Bulletin Board. I don't think it was >meant to be an influence, or of interest to anyone else, except possibly >for curiosity's sake.
The board is very well known throughout the metal world, but seems not many know it it here.... So because some don't know of it, we are to doubt it's authenticity ? :)
>>I'm guessing that if Dream Theater had swept the poll in the #1 >position, you wouldn't have anything to say.
Yeah, but then we know it was 'rigged'
Well said Jessie
GaZ
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:16:22 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: The Touring Vocalist Message-ID: <36780705.7FA89DEA@bu.edu>
> I saw Geoff on that "pittiful tour" which was still much bigger than > what Dream Theater has done, and they went more places too.
Wrong! DT did two US and European tours and one Japanese tour in support of FII. Queensryche did one US tour and a small South American tour is support of HitNF.
> And guess > what, Geoff always delivers from what I'm told. > When somebody complains about Geoff Tate, the only complain I hear is > "well, he can't hit those high notes anymore".
Tate's tone is completely different that it used to be. He can't sustain notes and strains much more than he used to. It sounds as if he takes vocal shortcuts. I don't know technical vocal speak. I have three Promised Land tapes from completely different places (NY, Italy and Cali). The show from Cali is the infamous San Jose show, where Tate supposedly woke up with bronchitis. Well, he must have had bronchitis the whole tour because he sounds no different on that tape than the others. On my Building Empires tour tape, Tate sounds completely different. He hits all the notes without cutting any short or blowing some. He does not struggle. Tate clearly lost his vocal capacity between Empire and PL.
> Which in some nights he > can - when they played Tampa his voice was awesome and he hit every > note > on the old stuff, including stuff from Rage for Order which really had > me impressed.
I thought the same when I saw him in West Palm Beach. But when I got a few boots, I learned what to listen for. Live, it's very hard to tell how accurate Tate is with DeGarmo, Wilton, and Jackson singing backup almost all of the time.
Isaac
-- "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."-- Helmet
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:03:53 -0500 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Korn and an accompanying rant Message-ID: <36775B58.28590A74@bu.edu>
> And, hey, what's the deal with the never-ending Korn slagging? I know > nothing about them other than their message is targeted > towards pissed-off, upper-middle class white kids > who hate Mom and Dad and have way too much > time on their hands, and sure, calling either > guitar player a guitarist is pushing it, but is it me, > or do the bass player and drummer rock? > That's all that matters. If a band rocks, they're good. They don't have to shred. I've become very tired of listening for time changes and solos. Whatever happened to listening to music because it good, instead of listening for complexity? Maybe that's why I've been listening to the Beastie Boys (Listen all y'all it's a SABOTAGE), Alice in Chains, Pink Floyd and Pantera lately.
That kinda brings me to my next point-- the problem with most prog and shred bands is that they'll be remembered for individual things like a great guitarist or drummer, not their songs, which is disturbing. Whenever I've heard someone recommend DT to someone else musicianship always comes first, before their great songs. Not that I don't like musicianship. I do guitar exercises almost everyday and will buy the next Liquid Tension Experiment album, anything by DT, Steve Vai, Event (every Jammer should have their stuff-- go to http://www.mysticfishook.com for info), Alder-era Fates Warning and Spock's Beard. But those are the only prog/shred CDs I see myself buying in the future.
The problem with musicianship is that it stresses the individual, which almost always defeats the purpose of a band. And I feel many bands don't innovate because they focus on what a certain individual can do, not what the band as a whole can create. Power metal bands tend to have this disease. Music is about creating songs, not playing something no else can. Musicianship should spawn new ideas, but in this genre it rarely does.
Maybe someday prog bands will get tired of playing fleeting guitar/keyboard runs, double bass drums and high-pitched vocals. If I see another ad for an upcoming prog band in the vain of DT, Fates Warning and Queensryche featuring a vocalist reminscient of Geoff Tate, a guitarist with mad chops, a six-string bassist, and a octopus for a drummer, and a keyboardist as good as Keith Emerson, I'll puke. It's been done, and my money says that DT, Fates and Queensryche will be better than their imitators.
Back to studying for finals. :)
Isaac
-- "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."-- Helmet
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:09:22 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Nightwish mp3 (the whole song) Message-ID: <004401be2927$9829eb60$116716cb@graham>
> I just downloaded and listened to the Nightwish MP3, and I had a >couple of questions, firstly is this like their latest stuff (this year >or whatever) and secondly is this a good representation of the stuff >they normally produce...?
If you d/l a song from 'Oceanborn', the answer is probably 'yes'
>The reason I ask (and please bear in mind >that this is IMHO) is that it sounded like the year was 1986 (85?) >again, I was young and spotty (er...spottier) and Europe was at number 1 >with The Final Countdown...then my dreams were shattered when the Opera >started, and I laughed... I'm sorry but DT are slagged for not being >progressive enough, yet they manage to produce great progressive music >that is apt for the time in which it is produced....
You serious ? ROTFLMAO, they sound nothing like Europe...... As for the singing, this AFAIK is totally unique in the genre of music, perhaps you are just not used to this style of singing in hard music :) I figured that they were not everyone's cuppa ...
Ah well your loss my friend, I am enjoying the shit out of 'Oceanborn' and IMO is the best album I have heard for a few years...
GaZ
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:52:03 EST From: PJgeorge@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Follow up on Savatage playing 12/24 Message-ID: <aa682d6a.36780f63@aol.com>
For those of you who were wondering.. I got a boot today of a recent show from November. They only play about the final minute Christmas Eve 12/24 in medly form as part of Hall of the Mountian King.
G!
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:24:45 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LaBrie clarified / QR Message-ID: <4.1.19981216150830.00a1db40@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
Jim said: >Forgive me if I am reading this wrong, but if the poster is stating that >Geoff's vocals on the HitNF tour were pitiful, then they saw a different >show than I did.
Then Jeff said: > Call me crazy (I'm sure you do anyway), but I saw Queensryche on >that tour (in Philadelphia), and I thought Mr. Tate kicked major arse, >especially considering he has (had?) a bad smoking habit and is not exactly >a youth anymore
<sigh> Go back and read the whole paragraph and you'll understand what I meant. Everyone else did. :) But the general jist is this: people compare LaBrie to Tate and many times Tate comes out on top. What I said (clearly, I thought) was that you can't compare Tate (who is excellent, usually) on a "pittiful" LENGTH tour like HITNF (which was less than 50 shows total and a few were cancelled) to James on a Dream Theater tour that lasts more than a year and well over 100 shows.
As for Queensryche, I'm a bit disgruntled with them now, though I used to be a huge fan. I traveled up to Charlotte from Atlanta and took my brother for a birthday present. Tix, hotel room, gas, multi-hour drive, etc. The show turned out to be one of the crappy short ones that lasted less than 1 1/2 hours. Definitely not worth the time and money invested. I understand that Geoff had some vocal problems, but is the rest of the band not capable of playing some stuff instrumental? Apparently not. They stuck with the same setlist except three or four songs were cut. They should have tried to do something original like playing some instrumental songs or getting DeGarmo to take over vocals on that song he sang on HITNF (can't remember the name). Owell... :)
In other Queensryche news, they will be putting on a Fanclub only gig in Seattle on Jan 16th of next year. Tickets are a real bargain at $40 a pop. Pfft... :-)
/me is in a shitty mood today...
Take care all...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967 http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine ^^ Above URL for Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:08:02 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LaBrie/Tate - again for the moron... Message-ID: <4.1.19981216153353.00a76f10@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
Christian spewed in his Perpetual Assininity(tm)...
>I saw Geoff on that "pittiful tour" which was still much bigger than >what Dream Theater has done, and they went more places too. And guess >what, Geoff always delivers from what I'm told. >So instead of dissing Geoff Tate to try and make LaBrie look good, just >do your homework next time, or else shut up.
(This is gonna be fun... and just too fucking easy...)
Wow, at least the other guys who didn't understand what I was saying had the class to say "maybe I didn't read it correctly." But let's do a quick grading of _your_ "homework."
As for your first comment that I was "dissing Tate to try and make LaBrie look good," I think I covered that in my last post. Try actually READING it, and you'll understand what I meant. It's not a complicated concept. For the learning impaired - I was NOT bashing Tate. I was actually complementing him in a round about sort of way (that was apparently too roundabout for some)... As for Queensryche having a tour "much bigger than what DT has done" and that they "went more places too," let's take a look at the official tour schedules. (from www.queensryche.com and www.dreamtheater.net)
Queensryche "Journey to the Now Frontier" tour: (June 17, 1997 - August 17, 1997)
3 Months 42 shows scheduled 2 shows cancelled (Both in Ohio) All shows in US
Dream Theater "Touring into Infinity" tour: (approx Oct 17, 1997 - June 28, 1998)
9 Months Approx 100 shows scheduled 1 show cancelled (London) Multiple US legs Multiple Euro legs Japan leg
Now, for anyone with half a brain (or even someone with no brain but who knows what the fuck they're talking about) can see that Dream Theater has a FAR (FAR, FAR, FAR!!!) more extensive touring schedule than Queensryche. I'm not even counting the ~20 shows they did with Deep Purple/ELP, the European festivals this summer in the middle of the tour, nor the Xmas shows coming up. To be fair, I also didn't count the single QR Fanclub gig coming up in January. :-)
I think I've proved my point... Try to disprove me if I've "done my homework" incorrectly. And next time at least _try_ to make it difficult for someone to make you look like you don't know what you're talking about. This one was a no-brainer... :)
/me searches down a bowl... Sheesh...
Take care all...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967 http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine ^^ Above URL for Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:18:01 -0500 From: MALDONADO RIBADENEIRA MAURICIO HERNAN To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: KORG IX-300 WORKSTATION KEYBOARD Message-ID: <1573120A7A4AD211BFA80060083BEA75142200@stuio1.puce.edu.ec>
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:56:26 EST From: MentolPyro@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4505 Message-ID: <9ba4f288.36783a9a@aol.com>
<<Hi here are the final results from the Perpetual Motion Awards 1998. http://www.mindcage.com ********************** Band least deserving of a Major label deal: 1. Dream Theater 2. Korn 3. Metallica Honorable Mention: Hammerfall
Hall of Fame (3 inductees): 1. Dream Theater 2. Queensryche 3. Savatage Honorable Mention: Rush, Shadow Gallery, Iron Maiden **************************** >> is there someone who could please interpret what it means to be least deserving of a major label deal? DT being in the hall of fame, i dont really understand what this means any helps is appreciated
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