YTSEJAM Digest 4508
Today's Topics:
1) Therion and Vitalij Kuprij...
by JamesAhab@aol.com
2) $5 off PLATYPUS import CD...
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
3) $5 off PLATYPUS import CD...
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
4) QR HitNF
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
5) My mind was never bruised...
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
6) bash adam?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
7) Re: My mind was never bruised...
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
8) Metal Blade News!
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
9) Perpetual diversification.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Pain of Salvation
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4507
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
12) Xmas Disc & Perpetual Motion
by Uroborosss@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:22:25 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Therion and Vitalij Kuprij...
Message-ID: <6c7a6598.367840b1@aol.com>
Two bands whose names I don't know how to pronounce.
But I wanna get a disc from each, so give me some suggestions.
]From Therion: Vovin or Theli? Which is better?
And from Kuprij, High Definition or Extreme Measures?
Jim
NP: Fates Warning - "Chasing Time"
"I also just wanna say that I believe life begins at masterbation." - The
Newsroom
"The Waste of Time Web Page"
http://members.aol.com/JamesAhab/jibby.html
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:37:00 -0500
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: $5 off PLATYPUS import CD...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19981216183700.007a7af0@mail.erinet.com>
it's the CDNow deal. $5 OFF ends tomorrow 12/17...
http://www.dlm.net/gc/cdn/platypus.html
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web
dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/
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"He who laughs last thinks slowest"
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:37:08 -0500
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: $5 off PLATYPUS import CD...
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19981216183708.0079be00@mail.erinet.com>
it's the CDNow deal. $5 OFF ends tomorrow 12/17...
http://www.dlm.net/gc/cdn/platypus.html
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web
dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/
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"He who laughs last thinks slowest"
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:57:10 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: QR HitNF
Message-ID: <19981216235822.PYZZ13123@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
Jim said:
>if the poster is stating that Geoff's vocals on the HitNF
>tour were pitiful, then they saw a different show than I did.
Yeah, but he saw the same one most of the rest of us did. I wasn't the
original poster, but I agree with the sentiment. Instead of cancelling
shows when Geoff was sick, they played through, shortening the set list to
less than 90 minutes. I was livid, especially considering the PL tour was
one of the best concerts I have ever seen. And the opening act was pathetic
(Pist-on?). If I'm paying $40 for a ticket, I want more than 90 minutes
worth. This ain't a freakin Celine Dion show...
Stodgers
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:55:02 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: My mind was never bruised...
Message-ID: <19981217005605.QXEL13123@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
Christian said:
>So instead of dissing Geoff Tate to try and make LaBrie
>look good, just do your homework next time, or else shut up.
Homework? You gotta be kidding... Seriously, no matter what you thought of
the original post, is this the most intelligent and productive way to reply
to it? It sounds more like the kneejerk reaction of a "die-hard" fan.
During the HitNF tour, there was an abundance of posts here on the Jam
stating fans' disappointment with the length of the QR shows and Geoff's
performance. If this guy was on the Jam at that time (and I know for
certain he was) then he did his "homework".
Isaac said:
>Tate clearly lost his vocal capacity between
>Empire and PL.
I have to disagree with this. I feel it was after the PL tour that the
voice started to go. On the PL tour, for both the shows I saw and have
heard boots of, Geoff sang the older material as well as on the albums.
Now, so people don't all beat me senseless with their rock-solid opinions:
don't presume that because of what I wrote I am not a QR fan. I am one of
those token Jammers who like PL and HitNF more than Rage and Warning. What
angers me is how QR (much like Van Halen), a band with an extensive catalog
of material, could feel justified playing a show of 90 minutes and not be
putting out the best show they could. If you're sick or injured: reschedule
the shows! At least Cheap Trick will play 90 minutes and tear the roof of
the sucka... But then, they never charge more than $20 a ticket. :P
Lisa Marie said:
>The "Perpetual Motion Awards" poll was conducted by and FOR
>the people that post on the Perpetual Motion Bulletin Board.
Gee, then if I'm not mistaken, that's where the results would belong.
>I'm guessing that if Dream Theater had swept the poll
>in the #1 position, you wouldn't have anything to say.
I think he was saying that since there was no mention of this post for the
purpose of submitting our entries, then why are we subjected to its
results? I agree with his view that any poll that trashes artists for any
reason (usually just for comic or satisfaction value) isn't worth reading.
This is the reason Guitar Player, to me, is the only professional guitar
mag. The others would include either shameless categories like "Biggest
Disappointment" or insipid editor polls that slagged bands as well.
Stodgers
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:24:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: bash adam?
Message-ID: <19981216232450.12858.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Adam said:
>> To compare the live performances of someone, say, on the
>> pittiful QR Hear in the Now Frontier tour to James after 50 shows in
three
>> months is ludicrous.
> Dude, the easiest way of trying to make somebody look good is trying
to
> bash on his competition, and that's exactly what you're trying to do.
> It's a very cheap shot if I may say so.
I don't know about anyone else, but I understood Adam's original post
to mean that the LENGTH of the Queensryche tour was pittiful. I don't
think he was bashing Tate. I thought he was just saying that LaBrie
did a lot more shows on the last tour. Adam?
my $.02, BH
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:52:23 -0800
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: My mind was never bruised...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981216185220.009098d8@postoffice.pacbell.net>
Thomas Forcier wrote:
>
> Lisa Marie said:
>>The "Perpetual Motion Awards" poll was conducted by and FOR
>>the people that post on the Perpetual Motion Bulletin Board.
>
>Gee, then if I'm not mistaken, that's where the results would belong.
Gee, the results were forwarded to this list by a *Ytsejammer*, NOT by
anyone officially connected with the Perpetual Motion poll, so I see no
reason to be bashing the people who contribute to the PM board.
>>I'm guessing that if Dream Theater had swept the poll
>>in the #1 position, you wouldn't have anything to say.
>
>I think he was saying that since there was no mention of this post for the
>purpose of submitting our entries, then why are we subjected to its
>results?
I didn't read that *anywhere* in Jon's post. All I read was a lot of
insulting remarks, which is why I felt prompted to respond.
For the record, it was a poll for people on the Perpetual Motion bulletin
board, so of course it wouldn't be open to Ytsejam subscribers (unless you
also happen to visit the PM board). Please forgive us all for someone
forwarding the results here, and disrupting your little world.
Lisa Marie "Jessie"
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
http://www.dreamt.org/jessie
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:26:23 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: metalblade@arastar.com, Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>,
Subject: Metal Blade News!
Message-ID: <367879DF.E840E1BD@ivorygate.com>
This right from Metal Blade:
Pass it along to all your people
Metal Blade Newsletter
The Rebirth of Metal is here
King's X will be heading out on the road again on January 12th to begin the
second leg of their North American tour which will also include stops in
Canada. Immediately following will be a tour of Europe. Labelmates Galactic
Cowboys will support on all dates.
Mercyful Fate will enter Nomad Recording Studios with producer Sterling
Winfield to begin recording the follow up to last years critically acclaimed
Dead Again album. Look for a release sometime later in the New Year.
Also entering the studio in early February will be Six Feet Under. They will
record the follow up to highly successful Warpath album at Criteria Studios in
Miami, Florida with Brian Slagel once again producing. This release will mark
the recording debut of guitarist Steve Swanson (ex-Massacre) who joined the
band after the release of Warpath.
Ancient has a new female vocalist named Deadly Kristin. There are other
changes within the band, which include Aphazel switching over to vocal duties
as well as guitar. The band will be entering the studio soon in Italy to
record their newest release.
Flotsam and Jetsam will be releasing their new one titled "Unnatural
Selection" on January 26th. This recording marks the debut of new members
Craig Nelson on drums and Mark Simpson on guitar.
Grip Inc will have their highly anticipated new record called "Solidify"
released on February 23. This release sees the band heading in a heavier
direction with a heavy emphasis on well crafted songs.
Metal Blade is proud to announce the re-release of three classic Riot titles.
Born In America, Restless Breed and Fire Down Under. These records have never
been reissued in America and haven't been available since they were first
released
In other Metal Blade news, two new bands signed to the label are Ohio's
Jacob's Dream who are in the vein of old Queensryche and Criminal from Chile.
These guy's are old school thrash ala Schizophrenia/Beneath The Remains era
Sepultura. Metal Blade is also proud to release the triumphant return of
thrash cult band Hades. Their new CD is called "Savior Self" and is the
perfect cross between old Hades material with the heaviness of Non-Fiction.
The new Spocks Beard CD will be called "Day For Night" Dave Ingram formerly of
Benediction has joined Bolt Thrower as their full time vocalist. Look for a
possible American tour sometime next year. Immolation has completed the
recording of their new release named "Failures For Gods" which sees the band
heading in a faster direction than their previous releases. New records which
will be coming out on Metal Blade in the forthcoming months include:
Dreamchild-Reaching The Golden Gate, Memory Garden-Verdict of Prosterity,
Sacred Steel-Wargods of Metal , and Criminal-Dead Soul
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Come join the discussions in the new online Bulletin Board! <<<------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:49:19 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Perpetual diversification. Message-ID: <001d01be2970$3f6e6cf0$510d84d0@korgx3>
>For the record, it was a poll for people on the Perpetual Motion bulletin >board, so of course it wouldn't be open to Ytsejam subscribers (unless you
*chuckles* I totally agree.
I personally found it interesting to hear what other prog (non-ytsejam) fans thought deserved top props. The variance of placements in every part of the poll shows an extremely wide amount of diversity among the people who voted. It kind of reminds me of a mailing list I happen to subscribe and post to occasionally.... (Sticks his pinky in his mouth and chortles like Dr. Evil)
But people who think that we jammers deserved to place our votes should think again. Otherwise, I might just forward Mr. Gallop's current poll to several other (Hanson, Metallica, et al) newsgroups so you can enjoy your own feet for Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwaanza/what-have-you dinner. Which reminds me, I need to vote. :)
Hasta, pee-poles! -- KorgX3 defies gravity via corn husk drinkholders.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:36:48 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <36788A5F.8E756A58@home.com>
> Prog Metal Disc: > *1.Shadow Gallery- "Tyranny" > 2. Pain of Salvation- "One Hour by the Concrete Lake" > 3. Symphony X- "Twilight in Olympus" > Honorable Mention: Athena- "A New Religion?", Savatage-" The Wake of the > Magellen," Superior- "Younique"
Could somebody provide us (me) with some info about Pain of Salvation. I know NOTHING about them. What are they like? Do they have a webpage?
Thanks,
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:43:33 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4507 Message-ID: <v01540b00b29e01e45233@[128.197.7.188]>
>Then Jeff said: >> Call me crazy (I'm sure you do anyway), but I saw Queensryche on >>that tour (in Philadelphia), and I thought Mr. Tate kicked major arse, >>especially considering he has (had?) a bad smoking habit and is not exactly >>a youth anymore > ><sigh> Go back and read the whole paragraph and you'll understand what I >meant. Everyone else did. :) But the general jist is this: people >compare LaBrie to Tate and many times Tate comes out on top. What I said >(clearly, I thought) was that you can't compare Tate (who is excellent, >usually) on a "pittiful" LENGTH tour like HITNF (which was less than 50 >shows total and a few were cancelled) to James on a Dream Theater tour that >lasts more than a year and well over 100 shows. OK. I skimmed over the original post and misinterpreted the word "pitiful" (though, to be completely honest, I think it could have been clearer). So, instead of calling me crazy, call me a crazy moron.
>As for Queensryche, I'm a bit disgruntled with them now, though I used to >be a huge fan. I traveled up to Charlotte from Atlanta and took my brother >for a birthday present. Tix, hotel room, gas, multi-hour drive, etc. The >show turned out to be one of the crappy short ones that lasted less than 1 >1/2 hours. Definitely not worth the time and money invested. I understand >that Geoff had some vocal problems, but is the rest of the band not capable >of playing some stuff instrumental? Apparently not. They stuck with the >same setlist except three or four songs were cut. They should have tried >to do something original like playing some instrumental songs or getting >DeGarmo to take over vocals on that song he sang on HITNF (can't remember >the name). Owell... :) This is an excellent point. However, Queensryche are hardly the only band guilty of stuff like this (yes, I know you didn't say they we're). I can't too many bands (especially ones that have been around awhile) that will be anywhere near that adventurous. This is one of the reasons we should all thank Dream Theater. They throw all kinds of new and instrumental stuff in their shows, vary the contents, offer to play an instrumental show when Mr. LaBrie is ill, and embark on the awesome five-day tour that they are about to do this month. I forgot to mention the special fan club show. I can think of few bands that would do half of that. They are truly one of the most interesting, hardest working live bands I'm aware of. One more thing: Issac made an excellent point about music sounding good without necessarily being complex. I'm not sure about the Beastie Boys though. Are they music? (But then, what would a moronic Springsteen fan like me know?)
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu now playing on my stereo: Bruce Springsteen _Darkness on the Edge of Town_
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:49:58 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Xmas Disc & Perpetual Motion Message-ID: <5a6b606.36789b86@aol.com>
Mike Emerson asked the question:
> i was just wondering...i don't recall this being mentioned (or if it > was, i must've overlooked it...), but does anyone know if there's going > to be a DTIFC Christmas CD this year and, if so, what the content is > going to be?
Outtakes fom the other projects the members of DT have been involved in. Here's what I heard would be on the 1998 Xmas disc: (I can't give away my source)
]From the Explorer's Club studio sessions - Billy Sheehan doing a sub-octave cover of "My Heart Will Go On" - a "live" recording of a drunken Glenn Danzig suddenly showing up at the studio and challenging everyone to "a warrior's brawl"
]From the Platypus studio sessions - nude photos in the Xmas cd liner-notes of some strippers Derek brought into the studio after he finished the keyboard tracks - a "live" recording of Ty Tabor's wife's reaction when she went to visit Ty in the studio one day and ran into Sherinian engaged in a three-way with two strippers in the console room
]From the LTE studio sessions - "Who's On First?" by Chris and Kevin - "Bassists Do It Deeper" by Tony Levin (w/Tony playing upright bass)
General outtakes - examples of James LaBrie's before-the-show warm-up routines consisting of vocal scales, vibrato exercises, and loud curses - "I Am Dominici, Hear Me Roar," cover tune by Derek Sherinian
---- > From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> > Subject: FW: Perpetual Motion Awards 1998
> Instrumental disc: > 1. The Badass Wicked Collection Of Chops Known As Liquid Tension Experiment
Well DUH.
> 2. Vitalij Kuprij- "Extreme Measures"
I gotta hear this guy...
> 3. Explorer's Club- "Age of Impact"
"The voice is an instrument! The voice is an instrument!" > Technical: > 3. Liquid Tension Experiment- "LTE"
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. > Live disc: > *1.Fates Warning- "Still Life" > 2. Stratovarius- "Visions of Europe" > 3. Rush- "Different Stages" > Honorable Mention- Dream Theater- "Once in a Livetime"
This could mean either (a) not many folks liked "Once In A Livetime," or (b) the expectations of the average DT fan are much higher than everyone else's, thus perpetually prone to greater disappointment. ;)
> Best Symphony X > 1. Symphony X > 2. Symphony X > 3. Symphony X
So you're saying I should track down an album by these guys?
> Guitarist: > 1. Michael Romeo (Symphony X) > 2. John Petrucci (Dream Theater)
This can only mean Michael Romeo does a wider variety of compositions and has a technique even further into the realm of the virtuosity than John Petrucci. I guess that confirms that I must own a Symphony X album very soon.
> Honorable Mention: Rob Johnson (Magnitude 9)
I don't know, I have everything Rob Johnson ever did, it's mostly the basic I- IV-V blues-type stuff. And he uses this old acoustic, sometimes with a slide. The production on his albums is terrible, sounds like he sat down with a single microphone and recorded on a Fisher-Price 4-Track or something. I mean, sure, he sings with more feeling than Petrucci, but he's got no legato technique to save his SOUL.
> Bassist: > 1. John Myung (Dream Theater)
YEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH. Just let the BASS do the talkin'.
> Drummer: > 1. Mark Zonder (Fates Warning) > 2. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
Well DUH. Why not just put their names there for the 1999 and 2000 "contests" too?
> Label: > 1. Nuclear Blast > 2. Magna Carta > 3. LMP > Honorable Mention: Century Media, Noise
Please notice that none of these labels are "major" labels. Their bands are extremely popular where they SHOULD be popular - among the people who LIKE the music that label supports. Magna Carta doesn't have to be Sony or Warner Bros. to get kickass prog and metal to the kickass prog and metal fans. But I have more to say about this later, and I know everyone's gonna disagree with what I've said already... > Band most deserving of a Major label deal: > 1. Symphony X > 2. Digital Ruin > 3. Zero Hour > Honorable Mention: Reading Zero
Yeah, just like King's X "deserves" Atlantic. Too many people confuse "major label" with "instant worldwide success and domination." Yes, touring is easier, and yes, videos are easier (even if MTV won't touch them). But all the advertising and money in the world won't make that world lust after Symphony X no matter how many McDonald's happy meals feature Michael Romeo figures or how many Symphony X videos get on MTV. I'm not convinced a "major label" with "major money" could transform the entire listening population into metalheads like myself. If anyone cares to explain how a "major label" would be better for bands like Cairo or LTE than their present label, Magna Carta, please do. And I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just think "major labels" are there to harness and exploit "major trends" and have never been about showcasing "major talent." > Band least deserving of a Major label deal: > 1. Dream Theater > 2. Korn > 3. Metallica > Honorable Mention: Hammerfall
I've never heard of Hammerfall. Metallica yes I understand - they don't need a major label to support them at this point and could probably still sell a million albums if they produced them on vinyl and only sold them in Asia. For this I don't think they "deserve" a major label - major labels deserve the goldmine that is Metallica. And of course I realize that they were voted "least deserving" because thousands of people hear the word "Metallica" and think "SELL OUT." But yeah, I think they don't deserve much of anything from anyone, because at this point they can make fortunes just because of who they are. GIMME FUEL!! GIMME FAH!! GIMME THATWHICHADDIZAAA!! OOOH!!"
Korn? Korn has an unbelievably ravenous following consisting of time-bombs, tasmanian devils, and wailing banshees who cry and cut themselves as penance for their sins. Korn has the entire "unloved" population to support them. As with Metallica, it's not Korn who deserves a major label, it's the major label who deserves the right to market Korn. Korn could release recordings of the band wiping their asses in a public toilet and their fans would buy ten copies apiece and wipe their own asses with the cds while crying about their own fragility. But lots of folks think Korn doesn't deserve shit because of their lyrical content, or their 7-string guitarists who don't use their 7-strings like virtuoso geniuses, which pisses off a lot of guitarists who think 7-strings are for musicians of an "higher" musical intellect. Then there are folks like me who can't stand Korn's diehard fanbase, a throng who, as far as I'm concerned, are some of the most self-hating people around next to the diehard Nine Inch Nailers. Oh yeah, they're tough enough to kill their parents whom they hate with a passion, but so weak they can't stand on their own two legs and refuse to let insults turn them into spitting scarecrows.
Apologies to anyone on this list who likes Korn because of the hard grooves. It's become my impression that Korn shows are filled to the brim with spitting scarecrows. The majority of people wishing to remove Korn's "major label" status probably think that way because they hear a band with no talent at all. I like the grooves, I'm not a spitting scarecrow, and I think "major labels" grew and continue to exist today because of the album-selling powers of bands like Korn.
Dream Theater? I love the fact that they can tour as they do with support from a "major label," because DUH, I really like seeing them live. In that sense they deserve a "major label" because it makes ME happier, and I'm all about ME. :) On the flipside, I don't think any petitions would ever have been written about anything if Dream Theater were on Magna Carta. Band exposure, speedy releases, side projects, that spectrum would be like butta as far as I can tell. Someone please let me know if I'm completely wrong. The only "major label" support I've ever had was from Fruit Of The Loom.
> Disappointment disc: > Honorable Mention: "Once in a Livetime"- Dream Theater
Without expectation there can be no disappointment. Big disappointments are only partially the fault of the appointed.
> Shit-eater (aka Worst) disc:
HAHAHAHA this category should be on CNN during the primary elections.
> Most Anticipated disc of '99: > 1. Queensryche
Most anticipated, and look at all the disappointment this album caused among QR fans! Even Dr. Mosh was slagging them, and he never slags ANYONE! ;)
> Hall of Fame (3 inductees): > 1. Dream Theater > 2. Queensryche > 3. Savatage
Eric Cartman sez: "This. Kicks. ASS!"
Bafu Vai
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