YTSEJAM Digest 4511
Today's Topics:
1)
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
2) Re: Flames Ensue. Donning
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
3) I am CakeHolio, I need some insults for my PollHole :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) Go flames (No not Calgary)!
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
5) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4510
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
6) Re: Go flames (No not Calgary)!
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
7) Mike Bahr saga
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
8) non musician
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
9) Non-musician jammers
by AnalogGal@aol.com
10) Re: Flames Ensue. Donning Asbestos Coat.... (re: PM Awards)
by AnalogGal@aol.com
11) Missing URL
by <dthomas@best.com>
12) Fwd: Fw: FW: Sick
by liquidrich@webtv.net
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:18:08 -0700
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Message-ID: <872566DD.007A9B39.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
>Issac Sabetai had a long comment to make about musicianship seeming
>to take precedence over songs. Which made me wonder: how many people
>on the 'Jam DON'T play an instrument of any sort (or even, just
>guitar or drums). And how many people actually listen to DT etc. just
>for the music?
>(by the way, I'm asking, not digging)
>
>Si
I don't play any instrument, but I know good music when I hear it.(I
think.....)
Nigel
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:24:08 -0700
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Flames Ensue. Donning
Message-ID: <872566DD.007B27DF.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
Jessie wrote:
>Oh my, forbid any of you should be exposed to the opinions of another
>group of prog metal fans! You might actually be exposed to a new band!
>So to those of you whose interest was piqued by 'Pain of Salvation',
>just forget it... apparently you weren't supposed to see that. We
>certainly can't have people getting interested in other bands.
Here, here, Jess. For people complaining about it, DON'T READ IT THEN.
Some
of us actually like reading about bands we've never heard of.
Nigel
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:49:13 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: yts <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I am CakeHolio, I need some insults for my PollHole :)
Message-ID: <36798A69.5E65@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
I retract the comment which implied that there is something
fundamentally wrong with the people who responded to the poll. It was
enjoyable to use the phrase 'leaking skull', though probably not as
enjoyable as it was for some to see that a group they hate the most was
displayed publically as 'SHIT EATERS".
Nonetheless, Lisa is correct, it was insulting and subjective. I'll try
to be more objective and just attack the poll itself. Of course, we all
know how long that'll last :)
You knew it was coming, so here we go, smileys and all...
Gaz:
> The board is very well known throughout the metal world, but
> seems not many know it it here....
> So because some don't know of it, we are to doubt it's
> authenticity ?
> :)
But since we here in our little world don't know anything about it, we
are not allowed to comment on the results prima facia?
I never doubted its "authenticity", just the value of the results
presented :) Didn't like my delivery? Oh well. Call somebody who cares
:)
I don't even know many of the groups on there. Do I have to, in order to
make an observation about what appears to be inconsistencies? There
wasn't any bias as to which group *I* feel should be ranked in any
position for any particular question. Any suggestion that there was, is
simply that, a suggestion. How some of you have concluded that is beyond
me. It doesn't matter what I think anyways :)
I've posted many a time on groups other than Dream Theater (Jon Finn
ring a bell, anyone? Jazz suggestions anyone?) only to have those
threads quietly die out in favor of the latest "Metallica sux" thread or
<insert any other legendary thread we all know and hate>. Anyone who
knows me, knows life doesn't begin and end for me with Dream Theater
(*duck* :) Seems like much of the time, people would rather engage in
flame wars than to look for reply to meaningful content. Having seen
many a flamewar occur on the jam, I can hoenstly say, if feels good that
people are keeping a thread going that I triggered. Why? Because I'm
fan, I smell, and damnit, people like me :)
I pretty much got tired of wasting my time posting only to have the
latest mutation of "you couldn't even begin to imagine how little you
know about music" thread resurface. Looking at the feeding frenzy which
has ensued, it appears like people would rather rip each other's throats
out, than to try and actually find out what someone may have really
meant. It's okay to say something 'eats shit' but when Johnny doesn't
play nice, that's a whole different matter :)
Fair enough, give 'em what they want :)
I saw conflicting results to some of the questions. Besides Bernd, I
picked Dream Theater because they were involved in the results with
which I found a contradiction. It could have been Milli Vanilli and it
would have been exactly the same. It has nothing at all to do with with
who ranked where.
>Yeah, but then we know it was 'rigged'
How about a count next to each ranking including how many answered
"other". IIRC, there's a poll which has been posted here ("Top 5 discs
of the year" perhaps?) which included tallies along with the rankings.
This gives meaning to the rankings by allowing people to see how many in
the sample replied to each question and how those results are
distributed.
Assumption: deserving of being on a major label is a good thing, as it
increases accesibility/availibility
Assumption: should be in the hall of fame is a good thing
We think Sunkist oranges don't deserve to sold by any of the major
supermarkets.
We think Sunkist oranges should be entered into the Hall of Fame as one
of the best fruits in the world.
You could be someone who:
1) Never tasted an orange in their life
2) Works for Sunkist
3) Can write the chemical compound symbols for an orange on a blackboard
4) IS an orange :)
and still be able to look at the above two ideas and go "HUH?" Can you
tell whether we, AS A GROUP, want an orange or not? Yeah, maybe we're
into pain and only want things we consider to be the worst, to be the
most accessible :)
Perhaps the poll is not intended to reflect the views of the entire
group. What IS the group? What does the group consist of in each
question? Got me...
With a tally count, including tallies for 'other' to show how many votes
were cast for those who didn't make the ranks, we might be able to
determine if *perhaps* those who felt DT didn't deserve to be on a major
label, all voted for different groups (one each for example) in the
'hall of fame' category, allowing DT to rank 1st there.
It's entirely possible that there were a lot of categories for which a
band/musician received 1 vote, but which was lost down in the noise.
Without something as simple as a tally count, the results have very
little meaning prima facia, and it's speculation as to how the answers
were distributed.
A pathological case: Suppose, for example, 100 people replied, 3 people
felt DT didn't deserve to be on a major label, 50 each voted for 50
different groups and the remaining 47 didn't even answer the question. I
could be off base, but I don't consider DT winning that category to have
much statistical significance, since almost 1/2 the board was excluded,
and they only won the category by 2 votes over any other answer. To say
something wins a category without qualifying the results causes the
result to lose statistical significance. I'm not a statistician, so any
stats experts feel to jump all over my shit (It's what I'm here for :)
Mike Patrick:
> I think all of that is clearly reflected in the poll results.
And I think without knowing such simple things as, for example, how much
1st place won over 2nd place, how many votes did 3rd place receive and
how many votes did those who weren't ranked receive, the results are
vague, ambiguous, and meaningless.
86.7% of all statistics lie :)
Lisa:
> Thomas:
> >> Lisa:
> >>I'm guessing that if Dream Theater had swept the poll
> >>in the #1 position, you wouldn't have anything to say.
Me not have anything to say? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :) But, but, I am
CakeHolio!
> >I think he was saying that since there was no mention of this post for the
> >purpose of submitting our entries, then why are we subjected to its
> >results?
Perhaps you meant someone else's reply. I had no problem with it being
posted here. I never said it shouldn't be allowed to be posted here. I
know how to use the Page Down key if I choose to ignore something, like
Arash's signature file :P
> I didn't read that *anywhere* in Jon's post. All I read was a lot of
> insulting remarks, which is why I felt prompted to respond.
Correct.
Bernd must have felt real good when he saw that all the hard work he's
put into what he loves most was reduced the level of 'eating shit.'
Having spoken with Bernd on the phone in the past, it appeared to me
that he does't take himself too seriously, and handles criticism pretty
well. Judging from his reply on here it appears he can also take an
insult, of which he ended up being the object, in stride.
Germans don't do comedy, they do beer :)))
I'll stand by the statement about putting terms like 'shit-eater' in a
question. It produces an "interesting" effect. It goes further than to
just facilitate criticism of a band/musician. Its intent is to "insult",
to "push buttons." Don't mind if I push its buttons, do you? You do? Oh
well :)
Fire away...... :)
Bafu:
> If anyone cares to explain how a "major label" would be better
> for bands like Cairo or LTE than their present label, Magna Carta,
> please do.
I already bought LTE, so I don't care :) Oh, what the heck, I guess you
should be able to have my cake and eat it too, right, Bafu? :)
Don't "major labels" have more advertising dollars to throw around?
Aren't they backing many of the promotions for live concerts. If someone
like Sony started promoting a series of SuperGroup concerts, don't you
think it would help generate sales?
> Dream Theater? I love the fact that they can tour as they do with
> support from a "major label," because DUH, I really like seeing them
> live.
Who handled G3, by the way? That got more press (around here anyways)
than many a Dream Theater show I've been to in the last 3 years.
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"maybe I should write it first
and do the living later
cuz life is always cleaner on the page" - Chromakey
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:48:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Go flames (No not Calgary)!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.981217172835.27319A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Jam 4510 Various Jammers imparted:
> From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: Flames Ensue. Donning Asbestos Coat.... (re: PM Awards)
>
>
> Giannotti, Nick wrote:
> >
> > >For the record, it was a poll for people on the Perpetual Motion
> > >bulletin board, so of course it wouldn't be open to Ytsejam subscribers
> > (unless
> > >you also happen to visit the PM board). Please forgive us all for someone
> > >forwarding the results here, and disrupting your little world.
> >
> > Then maybe it should have been kept there. I, for one, don't recall any
> > offers by anyone to vote in this poll (a word that I use very loosely)
> > posted to the 'jam.
>
> Again, refer to my previous post. It was a poll for the PM board,
> designed to reflect the opinions of the people on the board. It was not
> meant for the internet community in general. Just like KorgX3 pointed
> out... we wouldn't want subscribers of other mailing lists voting in our
> Ytsejam Top 98 award now would we?
It depends, you know as well as I do, Lisa what happens when one
list mentions one band that many people don't like...they go apeshit
about it. On the Jam its that "M" band. On The Edge of Forever list,
it happens to be DT. So fucking what? You don't need to ride him with a
cat o nine tails over it. Let him have his fucking opinion for christ
sake...I think your taking it a bit overboard. I'm surprised that you
are digging it so deep for something so trivial, Jess. Someone piss in
your Post Toasties this morning?
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>
> From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Flames Ensue. Donning Asbestos Coat.... (re: PM Awards)
> This whole debate is stupid in general.
Amen brotha. Though we may not agree with the poll, it would be
small number statistics chiming in its finest hour. Kinda like them
polls you see lately that supposedly describe the national opinion. "So
you surveyed 504 people with these questions, and you say that they are
moderately ACCURATE...to 5%?" BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH! More like
10-15% I'd say. Anyway....I digress.
> ------------------------------
Oh, and for those of you who have followed
the Mike Bahr saga over time will likely be interested in the following
webpage...pulled it off of alt.music.dream-theater.
-jeremy
+================================================================+
"Who's the soapbox derby king? Who's the soapbox derby king?"
Vikings WR Cris Carter to
Vikings WR Randy Moss on an
ESPN commercial
Minnesota Vikings: 1998 NFC Central Divison Champs!!!!
+================================================================+
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Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:12:42 -0500
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4510
Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5EC177A9@AMSC_NTAS>
> >For the record, it was a poll for people on the Perpetual Motion
> >bulletin board, so of course it wouldn't be open to Ytsejam
> subscribers
> (unless
> >you also happen to visit the PM board). Please forgive us
> all for someone
> >forwarding the results here, and disrupting your little world.
>
> Then maybe it should have been kept there. I, for one, don't
> recall any
> offers by anyone to vote in this poll (a word that I use
> very loosely)
> posted to the 'jam. How convenient for those who post to PM
> and want to
> incite those of us on the 'jam with the results. If "the
> Perpetual Motion
> Awards poll was conducted by and FOR the people that post on the
> Perpetual Motion Bulletin Board", then why were we subjected to the
> extremely
> opinionated results? What's even more laughable is that when someone
> commented on the absolute absurdity of the poll, people came
> to its defense
> as though it were canon!
>
> Bah. Any so-called 'poll' that has a category named
> 'Shit-Eater' isn't
> worth the weight of the paper it's printed on.
Have you been reading the same posts I have? A few things:
1. It's not canon, it's not law, it's not even really all that accurate - I,
for one, DID NOT vote for Shadow Gallery in all those categories - it's just
a poll. Take from it what you may.
(For the record, I thought Athena's "A New Religion?" kicked the crap out of
the Shadow Gallery CD. I also thought Blind Guardian was the best band.
That's just me, however...)
2. Perpetual Motion (or PM, as it's usually referred to) did not say, as a
group, "Hey, let's post this to ytsejam to see whose ass we can light up!"
Some of the more arrogant types here may not believe this, but there are
many PM types that DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE YTSEJAM LIST IS! (Gasp! Shock!
Horror!)
Somebody just thought it would be a cool idea to post the results here. I
guess that person was wrong...
3. I think "Shit - Eater" is a totally valid category when people have A
SENSE OF HUMOR! Some of us that have been here for a long time don't like to
read the list much anymore, because some people are too busy making cubic
zirconia with their ass cheeks to be any fun.
4. I haven't heard "Younique", so I won't comment on it. I'm willing to give
Bernd the benefit of the doubt until I do hear it, however. (This has no
relevance at all to the rest of this post - I just thought I'd throw it in.)
5. I've noticed a large number of the "old time" ytsejam crowd popping up at
PM. I'm not sure why that is, but I have an idea. As backwards,
keyboard-and-saccharine and lacking Huevos as PM may be sometimes, at least
most of their minds are more open than the this list's have been lately. I
know I've discovered a lot of great music through PM, and I tend to value
the opinions of - at least some - of the people there, just as I do here.
They key word is SOME, and while the number grows on PM, it shrinks rapidly
on ytsejam.
For crissakes, relax, people. I'll say it again - it's just a poll. It
doesn't have to disrupt your entire universe - ignore at will.
I'm sure Mike Bahr (where is he these days, anyway?) would agree...
BTW, if any of you that don't hate me now would like to know about my band,
check out www.division-usa.com. We're not DT, we don't play DT songs, and I
think we pretty much suck, but I thought I'd plug us anyway.
I expect to see all of the DC locals Saturday night - even if I have to beg.
If you can't come out to the show - distance, anger, whatever - at least
listen to Coldfire's Ytseradio show on Saturday. Kez, too, for that matter.
I'd be wary of Doc Mosh's, though, considering the source... :)
(Hey, I haven't made a smart remark about my fellow 'jammers since the
post-Powermad stuff - I'm entitled!)
Mike
Division
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:29:14 -0800
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Go flames (No not Calgary)!
Message-ID: <367993CA.29B484D5@pacbell.net>
Jeremy Hallum wrote:
>
> > Again, refer to my previous post. It was a poll for the PM board,
> > designed to reflect the opinions of the people on the board. It was not
> > meant for the internet community in general. Just like KorgX3 pointed
> > out... we wouldn't want subscribers of other mailing lists voting in our
> > Ytsejam Top 98 award now would we?
>
> It depends, you know as well as I do, Lisa what happens when one
> list mentions one band that many people don't like...they go apeshit
> about it. On the Jam its that "M" band. On The Edge of Forever list,
> it happens to be DT. So fucking what? You don't need to ride him with a
> cat o nine tails over it. Let him have his fucking opinion for christ
> sake...I think your taking it a bit overboard. I'm surprised that you
> are digging it so deep for something so trivial, Jess. Someone piss in
> your Post Toasties this morning?
Oh that's right. I forgot I'm supposed to let others voice there
opinion, and keep my mouth shut. So sorry.
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://www.dreamt.org/jessie _______________________________ Ytsejam Radio on Real Audio http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:32:30 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Mike Bahr saga Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9812171827110.21092-100000@mariner.cris.com>
Jeremy Hallum wrote:
> Oh, and for those of you who have followed > the Mike Bahr saga over time will likely be interested in the following > webpage...pulled it off of alt.music.dream-theater.
And that URL is..... ?
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:45:20 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: non musician Message-ID: <s6793522.023@IOMEGA.COM>
Hey, In yjam 4510 someone asked about those on this list who are absolute non-musicians. (raises hand, and in full Horshack voice and glory, replies) OOHHH! OOOOHHHHH! OOOOOOOOHHH! MMEEE!! MMMEEEEEE! Never picked up any instrument in my life. Don't understand music theory. Don't care. I like what I listen to simply because I know what I like. Done. Simple as that. Not IMHO, fact.
Wilmo
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:45:50 EST From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Non-musician jammers Message-ID: <a32fab13.367997ae@aol.com>
Simon asked:
<< how many people on the 'Jam DON'T play an instrument of any sort (or even, just guitar or drums). And how many people actually listen to DT etc. just for the music? >>
I'm one of those people who don't play any instruments. I love music, but I've never learned to play anything. Unless you count singing in the shower and pounding on the steering wheel of my car as musical ability. :) Go figure, huh? Recently, though, I decided to try and teach myself bass, and I have friend who attends Berkelee and he's willing to help me along. My Jedi Master! If anyone has any tips, I'm open to suggestions!
"Hey Sanchez! Gooney goo-goo!" Christina http://dereksherinian.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:56:53 EST From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Flames Ensue. Donning Asbestos Coat.... (re: PM Awards) Message-ID: <978fd2ad.36799a45@aol.com>
Al, my new guru, declared:
<< It's a poll. A godforsaken poll. It's not law. Get over it. >>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!! Can I get a WITNESS?! Preach on, Brother Al! Preach on! :)
"Screw the ozone. I need big hair!" Christina http://dereksherinian.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:03:15 -0800 (PST) From: <dthomas@best.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Missing URL Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812171601330.20223-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
I don't know for sure, but I think the missing URL about Prism records is probably the following:
http://www.goodnet.com/~emerald/
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