YTSEJAM Digest 4512
Today's Topics:
1) And the 1998 winner is...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
2) cool dt moment of the day
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) Remarking how excited people get about a single poll...
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
4) A woman's place is in the kitchen, P.M. fun and excitement
by MusicSnob@aol.com
5) will this induce more drooling or retching, i wonder?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
6) Buckethead show
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
7) Re: Pain of Salvation
by "Andreas Berger" <aberger@waf-online.de>
8) Re: Mike Bahr saga
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4510
by "Nicholas Giannotti" <mogus@hotmail.com>
10) Myung #1
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
11) CarmArashageddeon
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) polls and statistics
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
13) Re: Mike Bahr saga
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
14) Re: Trader alert! Wanna be a branch for AIEWDT?
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
15) Go Vikings!
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
16) ATTN: Joshua Rasiel, God of Ytsejam T-shirts
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
17) Ytse Friends
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
18) Cause flamewars are fun...
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:25:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: And the 1998 winner is...
Message-ID: <19981217232530.2613.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com>
.. And the 1998 winner of the Derek Sherinian Piss n' Vinegar award
for subtle and creative ways to start a flame war goes to ... Arash!
(And he even stayed out of the ensuing fiasco, thus gaining extra
style points).
On to the comedy awards...
> Lisa Marie wrote:
>> Wake up. There's a big, wide world out there full of music, and
it's not
>> all Dream Theater.
To which Eckie replied:
> More propaganda!
ROTFLMAO! I am now visualizing Lisa forcing a handful of discs into
Eckie's face and Eckie has his fingers in his ears yelling "la la la,
I can't hear you!".
"Smell the Glove, Eckie!"
"Yeah, but my guitar strings go to eleven!"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:34:17 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: cool dt moment of the day
Message-ID: <3679B119.5C3ECD39@caribe.net>
Me and another Dt listening friend were formatting my pc today, and
we ordered pizza, i had my Awake shirt on right, and the pizza guy
actually recognized it and said he liked DT, ( this was an older guy 30
something pizza guy heh ) and liked the rush influence..
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:48:47 -0800
From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Remarking how excited people get about a single poll...
Message-ID: <000001be2a20$2b911100$5d8c15cf@markphil>
My 2 cents....
Grahm Boyle said...
"if the results had been different
and suited your tastes you wouldn't be bitchin..."
and Lisa Marie said...
"Again, I'm guessing that if Dream Theater had swept the poll, no one
would be complaining about the results being posted here.
Wake up. There's a big, wide world out there full of music, and it's not
all Dream Theater."
First of all, I do believe that Lisa has a good point here, but I'm
questioning weather it applies in this case... First of all, if a poll no
one had heard about showed up on the Jam with Dream Theater at the top,
EVERYONE would know the poll was phony, because they only way DT could
logically get to the top of a legitamate poll (which I hope changes in the
near future) is that it's faithful following in the Jam voted in the poll.
I am very glad to see bands like Shadow Gallery, Symphony X and other to be
at the top because in a lot of catagories they deserve to be... What got me
however was the lack of any consistancy WATSOEVER. Bands that appeared in
the "Good" catagory, also fell into the "Bad" catagories, and visa versa,
(eg. Superior). Additionally, a lot of the catagories didn't make a lot of
sense and wern't very applicable (pardon my spelling).
I HONESTLY believe that of all music fans, DT fans are the most appreciative
of the "wide world" out there of music. Hopefully not to fully generalize,
but most people here appreciate the wide verity(sp) of music out there and
really like it. While I do belive we're qutie extremist in our following of
DT and other prog bands, the rest of the world out there does get counted...
I would have to say if I was considering ALL music, that after DT would come
Mahler, and next probably Mozart or Tchikovsky(sp, I don't have any of his
CD's in front of me). (I admit that I'm not fully versed in rap music,
because that's the one type that I really can't listen to).
All in All, I honestly think that you if created a GOOD poll that does not
target a specific genre or hinder another, and give it to the Ytsejam, I
think you'd be suprised at what you might find.
(of course this is all of the high opinion of the Jam...) =)
Mark Philpot
Music Creations
http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm
griphiam@ccnet.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:58:46 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: A woman's place is in the kitchen, P.M. fun and excitement
Message-ID: <9e9578d4.3679a8c6@aol.com>
Lisa "king size" Marie wrote:
>Oh that's right. I forgot I'm supposed to let others voice there
>opinion, and keep my mouth shut. So sorry.
No, your place is in the kitchen, making me warm and chewy chocolate chip
cookies.
But anyway, about the whole PM thing, no one over there could give less of a
shit whether or not his or her opinion rankles "ytsejammers." As someone once
said, the poll was for their readers, not ours (as a "member" of both
communities I am speaking of us as jammers). Arash (your satriani disc is in
the mail) posted it here, most likely because he thought it was either
interesting or humorous. People have always condemned this list for being
close-minded as all hell, and this just confirms that. As Mike Blevins said,
many of the old-time jammers have defected from this list because the rhetoric
and bullshit have gotten to ever-higher levels. Any anti-DT comments are
slammed, no matter how intelligent or well thought out they may be. I choose
not to label all of us jammers as morons, but it seems the ratio is getting
higher (or lower, depending on your perspective). Get a sense of humor,
people. Personally, any post, no matter how inflammatory, that causes us to
think, or at least consider new things, is positive. Like, for example, how
many commas can I put in one sentence, you know? So, in summary, this thread
can go on and on, because it's a hell of a lot more interesting to me than
talking about the unique sound of the 21st fret on a 1978.5 epiphone guitar
that your momma bought at a ypsilanti garage sale. But that's just me.
Kevin Madden, who finds the hypocrisy of the Republican lynch mob ever more
humorous...
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:01:57 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: will this induce more drooling or retching, i wonder?
Message-ID: <19981218010157.4866.qmail@hotmail.com>
That Gordian Knot thing, Sean Malone's gig, I heard there was some dude
named Myung playing on it.....
and as for George Michael, I suggest that Kenn Jensen turn his head away
from this following list of my most recently acquired CDs.....
MC Lyte
Tony Rich Project
George Michael
Tommy Tutone
Babe: Pig in the City Soundtrack
i imagine that should create a barf or two in our new Danish friend
apologies to the rest of you, seeing statements like the one made in
response to me mentioning GM the first time pisses me off at times
Partha
(notice that i didn't mention the circumstances surrounding my
acquisitions....I didn't spend any money on 'em) (I also got Systems of
a down at the same time :)
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:09:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Buckethead show
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9812171953400.29557-100000@mariner.cris.com>
San Francisco Bay Area jammers, in case you don't already know, Buckethead
will be playing on Sunday December 20, 1998 at Slim's in San Francisco.
The act is called Phono Sycograph and features Brain on drums and DJ Disk
scratching it up. Check it out.
http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=sfbay&query=schedule&venue=slims
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:32:45 +0100
From: "Andreas Berger" <aberger@waf-online.de>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation
Message-ID: <01be2a26$5117f140$LocalHost@p100>
Their website can be found at: www.algonet.se/~gilden/
Andreas
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:54:05 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Mike Bahr saga
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9812172351070.12496-100000@jaca>
On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Rick Audet wrote:
> Jeremy Hallum wrote:
>
> > Oh, and for those of you who have followed
> > the Mike Bahr saga over time will likely be interested in the following
> > webpage...pulled it off of alt.music.dream-theater.
>
> And that URL is..... ?
I don't know if you're kidding, so here is the URL:
<news://alt.music.dream-theater/>
You should be with Usenet configured before you try to use this
URL.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:16:01 PST From: "Nicholas Giannotti" <mogus@hotmail.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4510 Message-ID: <19981218021602.26309.qmail@hotmail.com>
Various people said,
>Again, I'm guessing that if Dream Theater had swept the poll, no one >would be complaining about the results being posted here. > >Oh as long as DT won everything that wouldn't matter...
Just out of idle curiosity, can someone point out to me where in my post I said that I wanted Dream Theater to win every category in the poll? I'm eager to see this. :)
>Wake up. There's a big, wide world out there full of music, and it's >notall Dream Theater.
Again, see the comment above. I never said that I wanted Dream Theater to sweep the polls. My argument was twofold:
1. The posting of a poll that slams a particular band to said band's mailing list. Duh. Think about it - if you post the comment "Daffy Duck doesn't deserve to be in the Warner Brothers cartoons." to the Warner Brothers Mailing list, would you NOT expect some type of retaliation? Or am I expecting too much?
2. As I said before, how can a poll that has a category named 'shit-eater' be taken seriously? That's insulting to the bands mentioned and reflective of the people that voted for that particular category. I stand by my opinion (read: personal beliefs) that this poll had no place on this mailing list. Again, that's an opinion. :)
- Nick (gotta love Hotmail).
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:56:29 EST From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Myung #1 Message-ID: <5878364a.3679c45d@aol.com>
Perpetual Motion Awards 1998. Bassist: 1. John Myung (Dream Theater) !!!
Enuff Said !!!!!!
_____Nikki_____________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live --J. Myung~~
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:04:27 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CarmArashageddeon Message-ID: <003e01be2a33$24ca29c0$490d84d0@korgx3>
>creative ways to start a flame war goes to ... Arash! (And he even stayed >out of the ensuing fiasco, thus gaining extra style points).
KorgX3 floors his beastmobile and crushes Arash into a building at 60MPH.
PILEDRIVER BONUS! 200 credits.
And to blithely push this absolutely rediculous debate aside, how about we discuss who we think the best candidate for the next American Presidential Election should be or something. Hulk "Hollywood" Hogan? Yup. I thought so, too. Fuckin Washingonian bureaucratic politicians suck... And with that... -- KorgX3 exits, stage left. (By the way, peas suck, too <icky<) "Sometimes I wish my car had a pedestrian electro-blaster."
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:27:44 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: polls and statistics Message-ID: <19981218012744.14310.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
I think that some people are overestimating the number of people responding to these polls. We only had about 60 people respond to the Top 20 Ytse-classics poll. Neil can tell us how people have responded to the latest 1998 Top 5 poll so far. I doubt that the PM poll even had that many.
My point is that these polls are just a collection of opinions. The numbers are too small to be statistically significant. With these small numbers, a poll can easily sway one way or another.
Obviously it would not be a surprise to see Dream Theater come out on top in a "ytse-survey". Even if you had a survey of an "objective" prog-metal list/bulletin board, it really may not be objective...
Suppose you started 3 lists, Prog-World, Prog-Central, and Prog-wHole. After numerous flame wars and band bashing, it would only be natural for the biggest fans of bands a, b and c to separate and take over each of the lists. Obviously, no list would have 100% percent agreement, and everyone likes more than one band, but each list would probably TEND to support one of the controversial bands. A survey of any one of these lists would TEND to favour that band.
And if you actually left this "tempest in a teacup" we're all sitting here in, and you surveyed a large, statistically significant group of hard-rock fans, Metallica would be at or near the top, and DT, SG, and SX wouldn't even be on the map! We are a bunch of statistical aberations, and would be outside the standard deviation of any real world poll. In a real survey, our input would be discarded. We lie too far outside the norm.
(Now you also know why MTV and the "music industrial complex" ignores us...we do not exist.)
my $.02, BH
Did you all just go poof and disappear? Do you know that reality is immaterial? ;o)
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:06:29 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Mike Bahr saga Message-ID: <004d01be2a33$861d04e0$0b6716cb@graham>
> <news://alt.music.dream-theater/> > > You should be with Usenet configured before you try to use this
Nope I think the URL in question is: http://www.goodnet.com/~emerald/
Which contains the very sad news that Mike's legitimate way of earning a living has gone bankrupt.....
Whether this will signal a return to the Prism Records glory days of the ultimate customer focused bootleg company is yet unknown.
For those of you who don't know Mike Bahr, he offered the ultimate DT bootleg. Titles like 'The Darkest Of Winter' and 'Mosaic' set new standards in DT bootleg artwork and packaging. While his FII 'soundboard' boot, 'Stream Of Conciecness' set the standard for sound quality in DT bootlegs.
GaZ
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:31:00 -0600 From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Trader alert! Wanna be a branch for AIEWDT? Message-ID: <3679CC74.95704E80@uiuc.edu>
i was just curious if you were still organizing this. please let me know. later.
Nick Bogovich wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > I have made plans to road trip it to ALL the shows that > DT will be putting on from 12/26 - 12/30. And, I will > be recording all the shows as well and putting them onto > CD. And, I want to do a tape/CD-tree with these shows. > > Now, here's the deal. I want this to be very organized > so that it will be very easy for someone to get any show > they want. So, I am looking for about 25 people who > have the capabilities to duplicate CDs. (aka - you > have a CD-R and some hard drive space.) > > If you are interested in being a branch, let me know. > I will try to pick a list of 25 people that are spread > out geographically so that no overseas mailing has to be > done. This will ensure fewer problems with lost packages, > etc., etc. > > Anyways, I'll post more about how the tree will work once > I get a list of people set up. I'd write about it now, > but the family is bugging me to socialize a little bit, etc. > > Take care and Happy Thanksgiving! > Bogie
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:50:41 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Go Vikings! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.981217224519.28235A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Rick Audet wrote in blood: > > Jeremy Hallum wrote: > > > Oh, and for those of you who have followed > > the Mike Bahr saga over time will likely be interested in the following > > webpage...pulled it off of alt.music.dream-theater. > > And that URL is..... ? > >
Doh! Sigh. www.goodnet.com/~emerald But of course, I left it out. Or maybe it was just a sneaky ploy to get all the Packers fans to look at my new Vikings sig. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it!
But someone already posted it....so I'll just rub our division title in one more time.
-jeremy
+================================================================+ "Who's the soapbox derby king? Who's the soapbox derby king?" Vikings WR Cris Carter to Vikings WR Randy Moss on an ESPN commercial Minnesota Vikings: 1998 NFC Central Divison Champs!!!! +================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum, Assistant System Manager & Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:49:19 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: Ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ATTN: Joshua Rasiel, God of Ytsejam T-shirts Message-ID: <2b27c2b8.3679d0bf@aol.com>
hey sorry but I lost your email addy. Please post the jam or email me privately where i can reach you, i wanna buy another shirt from you. Sorry for the disruption, please return to you regularly schedualed flame wars :}
~Lisa DragynLMC3@aol.com "D'oh!" ~Homer Simpson http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:05:47 EST From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ytse Friends Message-ID: <5f08e581.3679e2ab@aol.com>
NSHSunsFan is now at BatRay3@aol.com.
NBA SUCKS !!!!!!
Dream Theater Rules !!!!
_____Nikki_____________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live --J. Myung~~
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:38:02 -0500 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Cause flamewars are fun... Message-ID: <19981218053906.DUKX11237@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey, Lisa Marie said: >Please forgive us all for someone forwarding >the results here, and disrupting your little world.
Don't flatter yourself by thinking you can disrupt my world. If you think the previous sentence was condescending and unnecessary then my work here is done. Then she said regarding the poll:
>It was not meant for the internet community in general.
And I thank you for proving our point for us. Take a bow fellas...
><< It's a poll. A godforsaken poll. It's not law. Get over it. >>
That was the point I was trying to make to begin with. *Me beating a dead horse here* If you want to post something of that nature here, then don't be surprised when the dogs like me come up and bite you in the ass. I was only defending Jon's right to take issue with the poll, then Queen Righteous stepped in to remind us that we should respect others opinions while shutting the fuck up. *Me not getting over it* I willfully retract my statement that Jon intended to say that the poll didn't belong on the Jam. I misrepresented his statements, and I apologize. I also, never intended that as the crux of my arguments, but in the heat of posting (and trying to post in time to watch Dawson's Creek) and abbreviated my sentiments to the most concise form I thought would deliver my point. And if you bothered to read this far, glam rock fans should check out a movie called the Velvet Goldmine. And by glam rock, I mean Bowie, NY Dolls and the original glammers, not the 80's resurgents.
Stodge
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