YTSEJAM Digest 4514
Today's Topics:
1) Re: CD reviews.. NDTC
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
2) Re: Braindance -- any thoughts?
by INNSOUL@aol.com
3) Re: SAGA
by "Richard Neumeyer" <Richard.Neumeyer@gabo.de>
4) Re: Mike Bahr saga
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
5) Re: Gordian Knot
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
6) some album reviews
by "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
7) Marry Christmas, all. Except you, Eckie
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
8) Braindance
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
9) Time to decide
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
10) Gauges
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Re: Bahr Wars: Episode I
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
12) nothing of this would have happened if ...
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
13) Superior shirts are DECENT !!
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
14) help needed
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
15) amp question
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
16) Re: Marry Christmas, all. Except you, Eckie
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
17) Josh's addy
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
18) Subject? We don't need no stinking subject!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:29:57 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: CD reviews.. NDTC
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9812181226500.14523-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Stephen Dedalus wrote:
<about S-X's Divine Wings Of Tragedy>
> guys just kicks. The motet-like introduction with the one vocalist
> singing every different part to what has to be between a 15 and 30 piece
> choir doesn't harm my opinion any, either. This is what neo-classical had
Hmmm... not to be picky, but IMO it's 'only' four or five parts in the
intro... I agree with you completely as to the certain qualities this song
has though... (it KICKS ASS!):-)
Cheers
Zaphod
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zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:30:54 EST
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Braindance -- any thoughts?
Message-ID: <cb3e0a0b.367a3cee@aol.com>
<<Anyone here (besides Subtlerage and Zakk :)) familiar with Braindance?
Thanks to the excellent advance demo CD they sent us, we're close to
confirming them to play at Dragon*Con '99 next summer. I'd seen them
mentioned in prog circles before and I was wondering how much of a
following they have amongst us. >>
Those guys are incredible! Which album did they send you? "Fear Itself" or
"Shadows"? They're both awesome!!!!
Sean
www.mftt.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:35:19 +0100
From: "Richard Neumeyer" <Richard.Neumeyer@gabo.de>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: SAGA
Message-ID: <004e01be2a7a$7e4ffaa0$d905a8c0@vercingetorix.gabo.de>
*long time lurker (8 month) crawling out of his hole*
Hey,
everyone is talking NDTC, so why should I?
>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:05:15 -0700
>From: Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
>
>> Thats like saying ther are only 2 camps of SAGA fans; People who love
>>'em, and people who NEVER heard of 'em. Well, thats probably true, but
>>thats a story for another time...
I think the time has come...
>Am I the only one who was not impressed by Saga? I've always found Saga to
>be really tedious and boring. Funny, cuz I worship Rush....
>
>Alex Smith
Really funny, cause I worship Saga (the earlier albums) and didn't get into
Rush 'til now. How about some recommendations?
As for Saga: did you already listen to Worlds Apart? That's the one
I like the most. Followed by all albums from '78 to '87: s/t, Silent Knight,
Images At Twilight and Heads Or Tales.
Since '88 there's something missing (IMO). There were changes in the line-up
and in the style (commercial? I dunno.).
If you don't like them, then it seems that there's a single-person camp 3 of
Saga fans :)
Richi
CP: Explorers Club - Age Of Impact
I love it! I want more of it! Any recommendations in this direction? Anyone?
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:49:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Mike Bahr saga
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981218064855.16244B-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Oh, and for those of you who have followed
> > the Mike Bahr saga over time will likely be interested in the following
> > webpage...pulled it off of alt.music.dream-theater.
>
> And that URL is..... ?
I beleive it's www.goodnet.com/durnik if it hasn't changed.
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:53:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: DYER <dyer@taunet.net.au>
Subject: Re: Gordian Knot
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981218065252.16244C-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> If it's not released yet when will it be released in Japan and the US???
Jan 19th in the states.
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Date: 18 Dec 98 14:57:10 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: some album reviews
Message-ID: <0021891C180000010103EB875F042E@mail.logisware.fi>
Greetings, ye jamanoids....
I just subscribed back to this list after a while today and I'm glad to
see nothing's changed. 'Tis the same boiling flame pit as ever... =)
I noticed a couple of CD reviews here and knowing some jammers interest in
reviews, I thought I'd cast in a couple more. So, all two of you who actually
read these, have fun. :)
BRUCE DICKINSON:The Chemical Wedding
(Air Raid Records)
Arise, awake, the king in crimson comes! Old iron lung Bruce Dickinson
blasts the wax outta yer ears with his fifth solo effort. Bruce has updated
his band's sound to the nineties by ditching the tho highest strings from
the guitars and had them replaced with two highest strings from the bass.
Thusly, the album has more bottom end than the law permits. The song policy
is much the same as on Bruce's previous album "Accident of Birth", the
choruses keep ringing in your head for a considerable time and Bruce's
one-time erroneous affair with alterna-crap is but a memory, this is as much
heavy metal as they get. Roy Z and Adrian Smith, who has had his share of
limbo with Psycho Motel, handle their double axe attacks as well as
Maiden did back in their heyday. Bruce's voice probably couldn't handle
"Hallowed Be Thy Name" anymore, yet he remains one of the finest vocalists
in metal today still. No pun intended towads Maiden (save Blaze), but this
is what Maiden should be sounding today. "Chemical Wedding" proves that the
old windmill Bruce keeps getting better with age like fine wine. And doesn't
cause memory loss in me, ergo he is better than fine wine.
rating: 9/10
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PLATYPUS:When Pus Comes to Shove
(InsideOut/Suburban/SPV)
I think the doods of King's X could stop fucking around. Or if the choose to
play around, they could at least leave the songwriting to those who can do it.
Platypus is so crappy that even John Muyng can't save it. This is one of those
albums that are sold with the names of the musicians involved and not the songs.
Platypus retro prog squad consists of Dream Theater's Muyng and Sherinian,
King's X's Ty Tabor, who for all I case can join Oasis next, and the
drummer wiz Rod Morgenstein. the 1st track of the CD "Standing in Line" is
nothing but a joke and sounds about the same as King's X were playing some song
from Motorhead. The shitty deal in there is that it's the best song
on the album. The rest of the album includes neat, but totally dead prog
songs and Tabor's Brit-pop style singing. The best thing about this album
is the somewhat funny lyric line in the song "Platt Opus"; "Every year 13
platypi get slaughtered for their duck-like bill." Too bad that the poachers
left this lame individual alive to spoil the reputation of the other, totally
respectable platypi...
Rating: 5/10
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POWER OF OMENS:Eyes of the Oracle
(Elevate Records)
The US has the Roayl Flush of progressive metal; Queensryche, Dream Theater and
Fates Warning. To the same hand, as the joker now enters Power of Omens, who
are the melting pot of the styles of the three aforementioned bands. Drummer
Alex Arellano's style sounds exactly the same as Fates' tinker Mark Zonder's
air-tight cymbal circus. Vocalist Chris Salinas' singing style is dwelling,
in the the same way as Fates' Ray Alder's is, but his voice is a sonic dead
ringer for Queensryche's Geoff Tate. How's that for originality... Power of
Omens' guys are accomplished instrumentalists but their way of writing, to me,
seems to be academical, "Listen! We're good, we're PROG! Didja hear that,
there's a marvelously technical b-part and 11/8 time sig!" Yeah, that's all
very true. But where the hell are the songs? There are 9 songs listed on the
back liner of the CD but all I heard was 73 minutes of very talented, but way
too hectic drummer jingling away on the cymbals and a great Geoff Tate clone
singing and oddimeters and tricky guitar stuff, which is all very fine and
dandy. The problem is that it all sounds that Power of Omens are progressive
for the sake of being progressive. Or did the messenger drop the sheet music
on his way to the studio and the band played it all in the random order it
happened to be in?
Rating: 7/10
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ZERO HOUR:Zero Hour
(self-financed)
California's Zero Hour uses all the menas that a 90s standard American prog
metal are supposed to use and yet they don't sound too much like Dream Theater.
How can this be? Well, in addition to the technicality and melodious side of
things there must be some BALLZ in the mixture and a singer of Erik Rosvold's
caliber. These thing are what makes ZH so damn good. While the material of
Zero Hour is complex enough to make you cross-eyed, it still rocks and rolls
like an AmTrak locomotive. Like the tight quartet were'nt enough, there is
a fairly well known visitor behind the keyboards, namely the wunderkind Matt
Guillory who seems to be everywhere at almost the same time (Explorer's Club,
John West, George Bellas, Dali's Dilemma etc.etc.etc.). For the ones who are
into progressive metal, Zero Hour is an absolute must. More info on the band can
be obtained from http://www.zerohour.simplenet.com.
rating: 8/10
_Mape_
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:12:02 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Marry Christmas, all. Except you, Eckie
Message-ID: <4505CE5470@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
Bye-ee!
I'm returning unto the darkest depths of my home town; so since I
won't be able to watch you all flame each other for a bit, I thought
I'd wish you all a very merry Christmas, and a happy new years an' all
the other good shit.
Except for you, Eckie, 'cos you don't get away with this. Kids,
look away now. No DTC follows.
>Simon John Dodd got out the ruler:
...And found that MM was to big a scale for Ecks,
>8^P Tony also isn't exactly pulling off dive bombs and broken bridge
>sound effects in his songs....least i can't think of any right now.
Now of course, I haven't heard you play, but I remember Bafu's
comments a while back. This being:
> So back to Eckie. What he played was total shred. There were no
>huge yanks of the whammy bar or anything else...
So obviously, your point was...Again? You think that you
need heavier strings to use a whammy bar? What, you think you're
superior to Tony? Oh, I think NOT. And I doubt I'm alone.
>actually enjoy...Dimebag Darrell moshes into my head. :)
Oh, bugger. I've got to agree with something.
>> p.s., Before you even start...No, I use 10s, thanks.
>Yeah? Well...HOW'S YOUR VIBRATO TECHNIQUE...PUNK?!
...Well, actually pretty good, mate. Probably better than yours. I
use an Ibanez RG some of the time, but most of the time I stick with a
Les Paul, because - oh SHIT! - I very rarely need to use the whanmmy
bar. I sat through the great vibrato argument completely bemused -
what, doesn't it come naturally? I've never had a problem with it, and
this was before I'd even HEARD of a Floyd Rose. Largely because I was
trying to emulate people like Gilmour, Vai, Satch and JP (fuck, I even
got a word of DTC in) on the Les P.
And just for the record, Ecks, using vibrato at all discounts me
from being a punk. Whatever they feed you in that cage, it's time to stop
smoking it.
Si
P.s. Any flames before January 25th to be directed to
lord_ibanez@hotmail.com, since I'm already going to have about 140
Ytsejam Digests to wade through when I get back to Uni
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:15:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Braindance
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981218061515.8232A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
I wana have Vora vor's children. BRAINDANCE KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:18:37 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Time to decide
Message-ID: <000001be2a91$4de10690$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
I doubt that many new good albums will be released this year, so now
is the time for you to put on your thinking caps and send me your lists
with your top 5 new albums of 1998. I promised not to tell you which
album is leading at any given point in time, and I'll keep that promise,
but there is one album I was expecting to find in quite a few lists that
has so far to put in a single appearance (you'll see which album I mean
when I publish the results). Only 13 more days to get those lists on
their way to me. And so far no fake e-mails from Arash pushing
Empty Tremor...
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: DOWN - Nola (I'd forgotten just how good this is)
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:44:20 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Gauges
Message-ID: <367A7854.9C0D911B@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:15:08 -0700
> From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
> Subject: YOU! DOWN ON YOUR KNEES!
>
> Simon John Dodd got out the ruler:
> > >Plus what the hell kind of pussy assed player uses gauges less
> > >than 009?! BWAHAHAHA!
> > Ooh, no-one much, just Tony Iommi. Of course, that noted
> > country/jazz cat Tony's such a light touch, isn't he? Mmm,
> > and he's got, like NO tone. Oh, no...
>
> If I had accidentally cut off my fingertips in a steel pressing plant,
> I'd be kinda sensative to the higher gauge strings myself }:^)
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! ROTFL!
MAN, this was HILLARIOUS! :)))
> And as for the tone of an .008 gauge string, yes, I still stand by
> my comment that it's not as crispy and juicy as the tone of a
> .010 gauge, and in fact doesn't lose that crispness after one
> stroke of the pick.
Talking about gauge, I heard the maniiac Steie Ray Vaughan uses .012,
013! :) That man is an animal. Anyone knows precisely?
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:51:51 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Bahr Wars: Episode I Message-ID: <367A7A17.B5399F2A@pacbell.net>
Rick Audet wrote: > > So yeah, thanks for rekindling this thread. I've always found it > entertaining, and it's sure to be more interesting than beating to > death the Perpetual Motion poll.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
;op
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://www.dreamt.org/jessie _______________________________ Ytsejam Radio on Real Audio http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:50:34 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: nothing of this would have happened if ... Message-ID: <19981218155034.27600.qmail@hotmail.com>
those guitar birds - whatever.
Hi , I just read about 12 jams in a row and the only things I learned is that Kevin gave up being a Red Wings fan, which I take notice of sadly, and that John Myung is an alien who came back from the future after alternating our present with his trip to our past disguised as E. T. Maybe he's so quiet, because he doesn't even speak our language. In any case, as long as he keeps on playing and not requesting a mic to sing the chorus of "phone home" he can stay. Maybe we should make a poll for that. Finally, with Arash's extra style points, can he trade those for fast forward points? Might need them, I'm waiting for four weeks for Alanis's new album... Has anybody received anything from www.800.com yet?
merry christmas everybody
sebastian aka schnipp
spilled the beans here did I, going back to laundry and dishes
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:53:29 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Superior shirts are DECENT !! Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF05001BC@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> With the help of Bernd Basmer from Superior, we're offering >> Superior t-shirts to people in North America for $23 (short- >> sleeve) and $28 (long-sleeve); both prices include 2-3 day >> Priority Mail postage. The t-shirt can be seen at Superior's >> site, located at (I think) www.truemetal.org/superior.
Well, their website doesn't do the shirt justice at all. It is much more decent than what shows up there.
Love to see the rekindling of the Matt Bahr wars !!
Mark T. Cooldude
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:32:10 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: help needed Message-ID: <19981218163210.3373.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi again, where can I find the Zakk Wylde Lynard Skinhead CD? What's on it? who knows where to get the tab for the Dixie Dregs song Moe down??? thanks mail to schnipp@bigfoot.com schnipp
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:12:52 +1100 From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: amp question Message-ID: <l03110701b2a03d6c1d14@[131.217.133.105]>
If anyone has the Marshall JCM600 60-watt amplifier head, can they please contact me ASAP, I have a few questions...... Thanks.
Seeya!
Chris Groves. cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
"And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye"
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:22:35 -0400 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Marry Christmas, all. Except you, Eckie Message-ID: <002101be2aab$03116b40$1dc55bd1@EDUARDO>
]From: Simon John Dodd <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
sorry, i know this wasn't directed at me, but oh well.
>need heavier strings to use a whammy bar? What, you think you're >superior to Tony? Oh, I think NOT. And I doubt I'm alone.
> ...Well, actually pretty good, mate. Probably better than yours. I
>lord_ibanez@hotmail.com, since I'm already going to have about 140
lord ibanez? hehe. you're almost perfect. the only imperfection about you is that you're too humble. :) especially your sense of humour (spelled the british way to make you feel more comfortable). hehe. moo.
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:36:14 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, dragynlmc3@aol.com Subject: Josh's addy Message-ID: <367A928E.F99026AD@bigfoot.com>
Hey, Lisa, and anyone else who wants another(or just one) ytsejam shirt, send that $18 check or money order to:
Joshua Rasiel 5 Brookhill Drive West Nyack, NY 10994 Home Of The Mall That Won't Shut Down Even Though It Is Falling Apart Because It Was Build On A Landfill And Yes It Stinks As Well.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:22:51 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Subject? We don't need no stinking subject! Message-ID: <003101be2aaf$e6d7d360$0201010a@chuck>
> And just for the record, Ecks, using vibrato at all discounts me >from being a punk. Whatever they feed you in that cage, it's time to stop
*chuckles* Some people just don't know when Eckie's bein' funny. Ah,well. I side with the Eckster though. .10s rock, although I prefer 9 / 10 hybrids. Thicker at the bottom and lighter at the top, but that's just me. Although I don't begrudge people who use 8's or 6 fingered men, even if they DID kill my father.
>I wana have Vora vor's children. BRAINDANCE KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Either you're a remarkable guy, very limber, or enjoy pain. And D-Man thought kidney stones were bad. I couldn't imagine squeezing a child through my urethra... (feels searing phantom pains) -- KorgX3 is afraid of the Big Bad Wolf.
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