YTSEJAM Digest 3528
Today's Topics:
1) Re: 'Tage
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
2) Re: Lie single and other great stuff
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
3) Savatage release
by Robert Wisniewski <moon_child@earthlink.net>
4) ytsejam non-tribute album
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
5) re: YtseCD
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
6) DT HOMMAGE! NOT TRIBUTE
by Ytsejamer1@aol.com
7) DT Tribute
by CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net>
8) YtseCD...not the tribute....the other one...and other stuff
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
9) Mailing list
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Re: Rogers ramblings
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
11) Re: 'Tage, Hollow Years, In Flames
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Re: DT Tribute
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: Re: CD
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
14) Nuno in QR....
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
15) NEW MOST "FREQUENT POSTER LISTS" ARE UP !
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
16) Steve Vai, Grammy and Pink Floyd
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
17) Taking the Ytsecd off the jam?!?
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:52:44 -0500
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: 'Tage
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980131185244.006b0374@mail.ee.net>
At 11:54 AM 1/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Hey, wasn't "The Wake of Magellan" supposed to come out in the US in
>January? ...the thing is, January's about *this* close to being over.
>Assistance? Anybody, anybody?
>
Yo, Lobster-terp, here's a cut-and-paste from the official band page at
http://www.savatage.com
The Wake of Magellan
"The Wake of Magellan" was released in Europe and Japan in Mid-September.
The US release has been pushed out until Late Spring 1998. A Short European
Tour has been completed in 1997. A South American Tour is planned for March
15th - 31st. Dates and venues will be available mid-February 1998. A second
tour of Europe and tours of Japan and the US are planned (no dates at this
time).
The band doesn't want to release it until shortly before they start their
US tour.
I'm going to get tired of waiting eventually and just buy the import.
If you want the latest news in prog-metal and don't want to go to a million
different web sites, hang out at Perpetual Motion:
http://www.wco.com/~mindcage/wwwboard/wwwboard.html
But be prepared for Dt-flaming and Dt-disinterest.
Joe
jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:52:40 -0500
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Lie single and other great stuff
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980131185240.006b50a8@mail.ee.net>
At 06:41 AM 1/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>With all this talk of rare singles and stuff i thought i'd post some
>info for those people looking for that "hard to find " gem.
>
>
>
>For more info go to http://eil.com
>
DING. DING. My skepticism detector just went off full-blast.
Why do I find this so hard to believe? Is it because I've seen an
ad in Goldmine from a Used-CD dealer willing to pay $50 for this
thing? Is it because the admittedly psychotic collection of
ytsejammers have failed miserably at tracking down this bad boy?
Is it because we actually have ytsejammers that believe this is
some sort of "scam the newbie", snipe-hunting, sarcastic hoax?
Something tells me that this is one of those "Send us your money
so we can keep it" (like Apocalypse) or "judge how great we are by
our ridiculous claims of having rarities in stock so that you can
order them, we can tell you we don't have them, and you can settle
for an Oasis CD single instead" (like CD Europe) type operations.
I remember when L. Jason Hartman posted his sale message every
day trying to get rid of these things! Those were the days. :-)
Make me an offer that my sickeningly capitalist nature won't be able
to refuse.
Joe
jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:17:27 -0600
From: Robert Wisniewski <moon_child@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage release
Message-ID: <34D3BF16.54D8@earthlink.net>
> Hey, wasn't "The Wake of Magellan" supposed to come out in the US in
> January? ...the thing is, January's about *this* close to being over.
> Assistance? Anybody, anybody?
Wake Of Magellan has been pushed back to April I believe. Since it has
took so long to get the U.S. version released, it will have a bonus
track, which as of now, will probably be "Sleep" sung by Jon Oliva.
Jeremy
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:22:04 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ytsejam non-tribute album
Message-ID: <01IT1FFDQ4HU001M8G@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Wow, I'm really glad to hear an idea like this, guys. I hope to god it
happens. I have no hardware to contribute, but I can design the liner.
If anyone wants to see what the ytsejam shirt that I *still* think I'm going
to make someday looks like, check out www.j51.com/~mrasiel/YTSEPAGE.HTM
Perhaps that design could be applied to a ytse-cd. Or I could make something
new. I need to design stuff for a design exhibit I'm in anyway. I want
in on this!
joshy
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:32:45 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: The Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: YtseCD
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980131203242.0068d660@pop.ici.net>
> *BUT* (and here comes a big BUT) you're in a public, democratic
>forum where everybody has their right to voice their opinions, even if you
>don't want to read them.
Yes, but the issue here is not censorship, it's about the pre-emptive move
of unrelated bandwidth to some other source.
> Again, given those multiple interests in such a heterogeneous list
>(which, in my opinion, is the thing which makes this list one of the most
>interesting ones which I have ever subscribed), we have to respect
>the other's right to post.
I don't think the suggestion was that the YtseCD people "go away", just
that it would be eaier for *all* parties if they moved discussion of the CD
to a forum dedicated to that topic.
> Summarizing: even if you don't enjoy those posts, please read
>them. We may appreciate any comments on the CD. Or if you really don't
>care about the posts, press the infamous skip key (PgDown or Space or ...,
>depending on which platform you're reading this :-) ).
I tend to think a seperate mailing list for the YtseCD would be a good
idea. I think it would be an immense help toward keeping the participants
focused. And I would think the list should be open to non-participants as
well, so that people who are just interested in how things are progressing
can keep tabs on it. At the same time, you are able to filter that
discussion off the jam. I think a major problem with the past attempts were
the wars that arose when people posted to the jam about what a stupid idea
it was, and how it was going to fail, etc....kind of like *this* time, come
to think of it. :)
And, although I am a reformed performing musician, I know *I'm* still
interested in this thing, even though I won't be *playing* on it.
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
E-Mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:29:47 EST
From: Ytsejamer1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT HOMMAGE! NOT TRIBUTE
Message-ID: <162a0dbe.34d3de1e@aol.com>
Hey there all! Well, I finally had a chance to sit and read a jam...well
okay, skim thru. I'm surprised at the turn around of threads...it was just 7
or 8 months ago that someone mentioned the terrible T-word. I think that
trying to get everyone that can play a DT song and separating the instrument
parts fairly is hard enough to do, if not impossible. Needless to say it
doesn't take one long to know that putting a tribute together with people ALL
over the world playing different parts is totally outrageous. Splendid
thoughts, but it'll never happen...I'd kill to see it and want to be a part of
it, but its just out of the question. BUT..............
I'd expect that most of the jammers have a personal group of musicians that
they jam or write with. I think that writing songs or jams in the vein of DT
is the best way to get this thing done. If there is a select group of people
that can put the music to cd and press them, then they should be in charge and
let the musician's submitting music mail them tapes or cd's or dat's or
whatever so they can put it on CD to sell to the jam. I think that's the best
way, but I could be wrong. Let me know what happens....I'll keep an eye out.
Tony
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:42:28
From: CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Tribute
Message-ID: <19980201024229.7960.qmail@www07.netaddress.usa.net>
I think it's a good idea to have a separate mailing list for the DT tribute CD, but from this arises the question: where are we going to have the listserv? Are we just going to have some guy or gal forwarding messages manually?
Craig Griffith: Guitar player, high school student, King of Craigland
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:26:27 PST
From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YtseCD...not the tribute....the other one...and other stuff
Message-ID: <19980201032627.29383.qmail@hotmail.com>
Just catching up on Jams....Eckie, you're demented....but funny =)
Anyway, regarding the whole Ytsealbum...I've got a bunch of junk lying
around that would be cool for a DT-influenced band to do, so if anyone
would like to do it that's groovy. =) I'm a drummer in the Missouri
area...if you're curious email me and I'll send some details about the
pieces...
Also...I realize these things are supposed to be kinda democratic but
shouldn't we get somebody to be the head cheese or something for this? A
little organization goes a long way...you hafta decide what goes on,
etc. We could just nominate one of the Jammer illuminati or
something....just a thought.
P.S. Is it easier to keep with the Jam in digest or in ack mode? Anybody
have an opinion?
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:00:28 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mailing list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980201025332.20997A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi.
I decided to create a list to help this "Dream Come True" CD. If
you want to discuss anything about the YtseCD, you can be part of my list.
1 - To *SUBSCRIBE* to the list send an e-mail to:
rbrito-ytsecd-request@linux.ime.usp.br
With the word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message or in the
subject line.
2 - To *SUBMIT MESSAGES* to the list, send them to:
rbrito-ytsecd@linux.ime.usp.br
3 - To *UNSUBSCRIBE* from the list, send an e-mail to:
rbrito-ytsecd-request@linux.ime.usp.br
With the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message or in the
subject line.
4 - To send me a personal e-mail (hey, do you wanna trade? :-) ),
send e-mails to rbrito@ime.usp.br, not @linux.ime.usp.br.
Anyone is welcome to participate on the list, and taking into
account the amount of messages I send here, you can guess that I'd like
that list as active as possible... :-)
Hope this helps a tiny bit for CD become reality this time.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:30:41 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rogers ramblings Message-ID: <v01530504b0f9b858c782@[209.50.100.121]>
Sorry for the miscommunication Roger, you wrote:
>>*BUT* (and here comes a big BUT) you're in a public, democratic >>forum where everybody has their right to voice their opinions, even if you >>don't want to read them. >> I understand that as I don't want to read these "funny" posts >>anymore, you may be sick of the 10 'jams a day about the "tribute" CD.
Actually, I do like these posts, I do want it to happen, and I do want to be a part of it. But I don't want a lot of bitchin to ruin it either. That was my point, any questions?
-Jeff
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:30:49 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 'Tage, Hollow Years, In Flames Message-ID: <9ed4e809.34d4088c@aol.com>
What's up, Jammerz -
> Hey, wasn't "The Wake of Magellan" supposed to come out in the US in > January? ...the thing is, January's about *this* close to being over. > Assistance? Anybody, anybody?
I just checked www.savatage.com and it says that the US release has been pushed back to "late spring 1998". This SUCKS!!! I have a taped recording of the album, and it KILLS! Can't wait for the CD... :-(
Speaking of things coming out in January, does anyone have any info on the Japanese Hollow Years? Last I heard, it was s'posed to come out in late January. If the label were smart, they'd have released the single in Japan to coincide with DT's Japanese tour... but then again, who said the label was smart? ;-)
- Matt T.
NP: In Flames "Whoracle"... This album RULES!! It's been on repeat in my CD player all night. If anyone out there liked "The Jester Race", get "Whoracle" NOW. It's, IMHO, better and more mature than TJR. Awesome stuff. G'nite!!
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:55:35 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT Tribute Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980201035505.21441A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, CRAIG GRIFFITH wrote:
> I think it's a good idea to have a separate mailing list for the DT > tribute CD, but from this arises the question: where are we going to > have the listserv? Are we just going to have some guy or gal forwarding > messages manually?
Just made it... Read another message about it in the near future...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:45:11 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Re: CD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980201124511.0079a5e0@messagebox.com>
Roger wrote: > >> Hey I think this project could be succesful if it were seperate from the >> jam itself (as long as we're talking about a jammers original CD and not a >> tribute). There are a lot of people who don't want to read 10 jams a day >> with ytse Cd info. Keeping it on the jam would only encourage uninterested >> people to keep it from happening. This needs a seperate mailing list or a >> message board on the web. > > I'm sorry for my ignorance, Jeff. I don't understand your point >here. > > *BUT* (and here comes a big BUT) you're in a public, democratic >forum where everybody has their right to voice their opinions, even if >you don't want to read them. > > Again, given those multiple interests in such a heterogeneous list >(which, in my opinion, is the thing which makes this list one of the most >interesting ones which I have ever subscribed), we have to respect >the other's right to post. > > I usually enjoy a lot the posts of people such as Mr. Ptacek, Mr. >Bahr, Mr. Merlo, Mr. Abel (and others, whose names I'm sure I don't >remember now), even if I don't agree with their viewpoints. > > Summarizing: even if you don't enjoy those posts, please read >them. We may appreciate any comments on the CD. Or if you really don't >care about the posts, press the infamous skip key (PgDown or Space or >..., depending on which platform you're reading this :-) ). Well, of course we should read all the jams, but when you get 10Jams a day it becomes a bit boring, especially if they all are about the Xmas CD or with atht discussion about whether Derek is better than Kevin or not... And, about the CD, the original message was not supposed to suggest that we should have a separate mailinglist for the CD-project, but only that if we could keep all the info about it in one particular place, so that every person willing to see it could do so, and if a YtseJammer missed a digest or two concerning this topic could find out what had happened. I think that I could be such a person, well, if there are other people who want to do so, I'll be glad to pass it on... I think I can just collect all the messages concerning this project and place them on the web-page, and if the guy who was willing to run the project can stay in touch with me and inform me how it's going, I can also put the progress-nfo there... How about this?
> > []s, Roger... >
==========================================================\/ ....Every day you fight a battle /\ Don't give up and call it fate.... \/ Stu Hamm "The Urge" /\ The maintainer of the unofficial Stu Hamm site: \/ http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch /\ IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 \/ ===========================================================
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 14:32:04 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nuno in QR.... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980201143204.006b9384@hlti.fi>
At least the finnjammers shall check out MTV3 text-channel page 394.... or point their browsers to http://www.mtv3.fi/tekstikanava/394.htm
op777
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:02:29 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NEW MOST "FREQUENT POSTER LISTS" ARE UP ! Message-ID: <01BD2F25.BA7A13E0@Homm.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm
Guess who "won" AGAIN.
Mark
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:20:41 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steve Vai, Grammy and Pink Floyd Message-ID: <34D52D79.4B14@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Steve Vai is nominated for a Grammy !!!
"For The Love Of God" from G3 album is nominated in the category best Instrumental. Joe Satriani is also nominated.
Btw, there are rumours that Pink Floyd's new album will be "The Wall II" !!!
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:24:15 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Taking the Ytsecd off the jam?!? Message-ID: <34D4AFBE.AEE9A34E@disknet.com>
> On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Jeff Keifling wrote: > > > Hey I think this project could be succesful if it were seperate from the > > jam itself (as long as we're talking about a jammers original CD and not a > > tribute). There are a lot of people who don't want to read 10 jams a day > > with ytse Cd info. Keeping it on the jam would only encourage uninterested > > people to keep it from happening. This needs a seperate mailing list or a > > message board on the web.
And Roger "most frequent poster" Brito replied:
> I'm sorry for my ignorance, Jeff. I don't understand your point here.
Well, I'm sorry Roger, but how much more clear could he have made it? In the past all the Ytsecd and tribute projects have bit the dust because of various personality conflicts on the jam. One of which was that 90% of the jammers were not involved, and while they may have had interest in the project, it wasn't enough to merit wading through ten jams a day of Ytsecd ideas. I think Jeff is totally right to take it off the jam where it can be freely discussed amoung only those involved. THEN, when there is real news about the project to report, an appointed jammer could post that news. Therefore, the info is received by all jammers in ONE post, not 150 posts!
> Again, given those multiple interests in such a heterogeneous list > (which, in my opinion, is the thing which makes this list one of the most > interesting ones which I have ever subscribed), we have to respect > the other's right to post.
Man, how did you read this into the original post? He never said anything about taking away anyone's right to post. He's simply trying to get things better organized, while also helping to condense the jam a little. All the news about the Ytsecd would still make it to the jam, just in a more timely and organized manner.
~Matt
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