YTSEJAM Digest 3531
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Lie single and other great stuff
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
2) A few things reviewed
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
3) Re: taking the ytsecd off the jamm
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
4) some uninteresting stuff
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) My solodemo !!!!
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
6) Subconscious and Acoustic Dreams for sale
by "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
7) elite international
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) Re: My solodemo !!!!
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) Re: Lie single and other great stuff
by erodger@fore.com
10) Marillion, Spock's Beard
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
11) YNM
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
12) New FAQ Maintainer
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) Cymbals
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
14) Re: Yes - Keys to Ascension 1 & 2
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
15) Tribute CD
by "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com>
16) Progday '95 2CD set
by "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:50:05 +0000
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Lie single and other great stuff
Message-ID: <MeILZAANbZ10Eww7@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <3.0.1.32.19980131185240.006b50a8@mail.ee.net>, Joe
Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> writes
>
>At 06:41 AM 1/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>With all this talk of rare singles and stuff i thought i'd post some
>>info for those people looking for that "hard to find " gem.
>>
>>
>>
>>For more info go to http://eil.com
>>
>
>DING. DING. My skepticism detector just went off full-blast.
>
>Why do I find this so hard to believe? Is it because I've seen an
>ad in Goldmine from a Used-CD dealer willing to pay $50 for this
>thing? Is it because the admittedly psychotic collection of
>ytsejammers have failed miserably at tracking down this bad boy?
>Is it because we actually have ytsejammers that believe this is
>some sort of "scam the newbie", snipe-hunting, sarcastic hoax?
Ok, lets get one thing straight, i don't work for the company or have
any connection with them other than being a customer.
Its not a scam or any other form of hoax (as you put it).
Have you been to the web site? Have you read all the info posted
there? Hmm.. i doubt it
Before you shoot from the lip do a little research, in fact why not
ask them if its true(their prices that is) try sales@eil.com
--Gary Cleghorn mailto:gary@tequila.demon.co.uk
Ytsejam Photo Gallery at http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:23:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A few things reviewed Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0202102318-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Live review: Paradise Lost --------------------------
Their latest CD (One Second) is cool. Catchy vocal lines, crunchy guitar riffs, tasteful use of drum machines and samples, and general all-round good songwriting. What a pity it sounds so weak live.
The older songs in the performance went down a storm . . . True Belief, As I Die, and Embers Fire in particular rocked everyone's joints as expected. But, the new songs just sounded plain awful. The guys looked extremely bored onstage (especially the drummer whose name I forget), standing/sitting there like dead lemons while the samples and backing tapes did most of the work. Hmmm.
Big disappointment.
CD review: Spock's Beard - The Kindness of Strangers ----------------------------------------------------
I've had this for almost a week now, and I've decided that it's the best CD of 1998. Spock's Beard are the only band who could ever come close to possibly removing Dream Theater from the much-coveted "Graham's Favourite Band" throne, and this CD brings them dangerously near to stealing DT's crown and becoming Majesties in their own right.
Neal Morse can do no wrong. This stuff is so amazingly catchy that every single song should (and probably could) be a Number 1 single. Hell, they should just release the whole album as a single. Beautiful vocals from (almost) the entire band, great instrumentalism, and it's just so refreshing to hear something which manages to be laid-back and heavy at the same time. Excellent stuff.
Human Being review: Richard (my flatmate) -----------------------------------------
He finally cleaned the bathroom. Miracles will never cease.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 06:27:48 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: taking the ytsecd off the jamm Message-ID: <34D5ADB4.E3CC557@disknet.com>
> > And Roger "most frequent poster" Brito replied: > > > > > I'm sorry for my ignorance, Jeff. I don't understand your > > > point here. > > > > > Well, I'm sorry Roger, but how much more clear could he have made it? > > Ever heard of irony?
Actually, Roger, I have. How's this for an example: I find it VERY IRONIC that Jeff K. brings his idea about a seperate ytsecd mailing list to the jam, then you rip him a new one for his "unfair" idea......and then once your opinion is refuted by some jammers you actually go and create the ytsecd list yourself. Well, isn't that ironic? Don't ya think? (sorry, couldn't resist). However, I am glad you did so, for the sake of interested.
> You're way outdated, man. :-) You should check your 'jams more > often. :-)))) There's another list called ytsecd dedicated to decide the > future of this CD (it if will be tribute, if it will consist of people's > material with their bands etc).
Man you are a real piece of work sometimes. FYI, I am NOT is ack mode! I responded to a digest post! All the "updated" posts you're refering to were in the following digest, including my original post!
~Matt :-)
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:02:52 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: some uninteresting stuff Message-ID: <199802021202.EAA02386@gms.gmsnet.com>
So I was at NAMM all weekend, that's the National Association of Music Merchants, basically, a big con that has all the manufacturers like Ibanez, Tama, etc... in Los Angeles... got to hang out with the boyz from Chaos Theory, Ocean Seven, and Zero Hour... all of which have no CD's released, but will sometime this year... :)
I ran into Derek a few times, and one time I said, "So, how about Metropolis Part II?" And Derek, being the cool cat that he is, says, "It's coming, baby..." bwahhaha... he wasn't wearing his pimp suit, btw.
Petrucci played on Friday night, but I didn't catch that. I saw some incredible bassists perform, Billy Dickens, Pattituci, and Victor Wooten... great stuff... didn't stick around for Niacin, would've loved to see Chambers... but I was tired as hell... and they didn't come on till like 11:30 at night.
Portnoy was home, he wasn't at NAMM, would've been cool to meet up with im there...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:35:28 +0100 From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My solodemo !!!! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202133528.007cfd80@pop3.cobweb.nl>
Hi jammers,
Recently I get a lot of questions about my solodemo, well, I have it finished and I have it for sale !!!!! It contains four tracks, recorded at my home, and it costs ten dutch guilders and five extra guilders for shipping/posting. For ayone who is interested in this demo just send the 15 guilders (or foreign money of the same value, PAPER money !!) to this address:
Marcel Coenen Solodemo Nassaustraat 6 6166 BD GELEEN THE NETHERLANDS
For information refer to our website and follow the link to my solodemo. Take care to all,
Greetings from The Netherlands,
Marcel Coenen
Marcel Coenen Guitarist Lemur Voice
mcoenen@cobweb.nl marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl
Check out our album "Insights" om Magna Carta
Lemur Voice official Homepages:
http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:49:43 +0000 From: "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Subconscious and Acoustic Dreams for sale Message-ID: <199802021450.GAA26073@italy.it.earthlink.net>
heya suckholes-
i've an original Subconscious (#044) and Acoustic Dreams (#408) that i'd like to sell. i'm asking $75 a piece for them. normally i wouldn't sell for so high, but back when i was in my "collectors" phase, $75 a piece is what i paid, and i'd like to avoid losing money on them.
this is not an auction. first come, first served. thanks. -Andrew
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:37:09 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: elite international Message-ID: <199802021537.KAA01195@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Well, it looks like whatver the case is, whether there's speculation or not, there's absolutely nothing left by Dream Theater on their list......except for the Japanese FII for $35 or $40.....
I did find this, for you Tori Amos die-hards.....
TORI AMOS Precious Things (US promo 5-trk picture disc CD incl Mary, Mother live version, Flying Dutchman and Upside Down, PRCD-4742) UK 550.00 / $ 908.00US
Hell, and you complain about people selling Subconscious for $75!
Al
BTW, I think it was Eckie that mentioned me having a squabble with Jazzmin during the Tribute CD thing....just for the record it was not me................ thank you, and you may return to your regularly scheduled Ytsejam, already in progress.....
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:39:25 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: My solodemo !!!! Message-ID: <199802021539.KAA03162@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > Hi jammers, > > Recently I get a lot of questions about my solodemo, well, I have it > finished and I have it for sale !!!!! > It contains four tracks, recorded at my home, and it costs ten dutch > guilders and five extra guilders for shipping/posting.
BTW, I've had "Insights" for a while now, but just got around to listening to it and I have one thing to say....
Oh my god, that's some funky shit!......Seriously, it's definitely great stuff.....and Akasha Chronicles just kicks my nads every time............
-Al
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:20:05 -0500 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lie single and other great stuff Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980202122005.0090e500@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
In case no one flagged this yet, this Lie single listed below is NOT the one with TLF on it. That's the UK 4-track single. This one listed below is the US digipak, and only has one song on it, the Lie radio edit. Just wanted to save a bunch of people from disappointment. I have this US digipak single, and if anyone really wants it, I'll sell it for $8 (ppd). Just remember, it doesn't have TLF or Another Day (live) on it, just the Lie 5:00 edit.
KAI
At 06:41 AM 1/31/98 -0800, you wrote: > >With all this talk of rare singles and stuff i thought i'd post some >info for those people looking for that "hard to find " gem. > > > >For more info go to http://eil.com > > > >DREAM THEATER Lie (Scarce US promo CD in digipak p/s >PRCD5807) UK 7.99 / $ 13.00
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:52:52 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marillion, Spock's Beard Message-ID: <s4d58892.045@IOMEGA.COM>
Family: Over the weekend I went shopping for used CD's just because I have lots to trade. I found a Marillion-Afraid of Sunlight. Lots of talk on the jam about em. Well, let's just say I now have a copy of Marillion-Afraid of Sunlight for trade. It is in good condition, the liner isn't tore up or fingered much. I particularly am looking for the LIE single, yeah right, or Van Den Plaas-The God thing. All other ideas will be considered. Email me privately, of cours. Also received SB's new one, Kindness of Strangers. This is excellent stuff, every bit as good as the two previous ones. Anybody who doesn't have something by them is really missing out. The musicianship is as good as DT but these guys are on the opposite end of the prog scale. I still think Neal Morse should be producing DT albums. All of SB's stuff is produced near perfectly without being over-produced or lacking anything. The bass is always clear and up front without drowning out the subtelties these guys load their albums with. This is a STRONG BUY ;>.
So, if anyone wants Marillion email me.
Wilmo
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:28:37 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YNM Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980202122321.15279A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
Completely off topic I have to say that I find it ironic (to say the least), that so many jammers (not me, however) dislike You Not Me in a way I cannot imagine. Yet my friends who make fun of my musical tastes on a daily basis actually like the song. One of them even said it was, "Awesome." I don't know...I just find it weird that non-DT fans like a DT song more than most DT fans.
..Rob...
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:20:31 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New FAQ Maintainer Message-ID: <199802021920.OAA04619@il.cs.wm.edu>
Well, I have made my decision. But before I get to that, I have a couple of things to say.
First and foremost, I would like to thank all of you for all your support during the past couple of years while I've been maintaining the FAQ. There would be no need to have a FAQ if there weren't fans to read it, and there would be no need for a maintainer if you, the fans, weren't always on your toes letting me know when things needed updating. You guys really are my family away from home, and I couldn't have done it without you. I would also like to thank everyone that has written to me and to the Jam with your letters of support and thanks. It was rewarding enough to know that I was doing Dream Theater a service. But reading how you all have felt over the past week has been great. I can't thank you guys enough.
I also owe a debt of gratitude to the members of Dream Theater, especially Mike for helping me make the FAQ accurate. It wouldn't have been nearly as fun maintaining the FAQ for any band other than one as uniquely talented and personable as DT. Thanks, guys.
And finally, thanks to all of you who wrote to me offering to become the new FAQ maintainer. It is abundantly clear to me, as it should be to everyone on the list, that Ytsejammers genuinely care about each other and about the band. This is a great time commitment, as I'm sure you all can guess, and those of you that volunteered should feel good about it.
OK, enough sentimental yapping. The news you've all been waiting for is here. The new maintainer of the Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List is...
Pat Griffin <gabbo@dreamt.org>.
Congratulations, Pat. You have a shitload of work ahead of you. :) That's the news, and I'm outta here. -d
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:35:12 PST From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cymbals Message-ID: <19980202203514.22141.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Life is going to get better. They are all going to rock. I have the >17" AAX Stage Crash, as well as the 10" AAX splash that you ordered, >plus >a 16" AAX China and a 16" AXX Studio Crash. I really like the AAX >stuff >(obviously). They give off such a bright, yet controlled explosion of >sound w/o any of that annoying overtone. Never cared much for the HH >stuff >(for once my wallet and my ears are in total agreement). Too dark for >my >taste. Enjoy. Sabian Forever!
Agreed!They totally kick my butt!I´ve been playing the whole day, and wouldn´t be posting this unless it weren´t too late to play. About my HH Chinese...Have you heard Fates Warning´s "the eleventh hour"?The China sound on that track really kicks ass!My China sound very much resembles that sound.Also, this is the first time I´ve had more cymbals than Crash, Ride and Hihat´s.Feels really weird when you have the sounds that you have been dreaming about available at the flick of a wrist.I have to get used to it.
Psyched about his new gear, -Vilzu-
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:38:16 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Yes - Keys to Ascension 1 & 2 Message-ID: <199802022055.MAA27614@baygate.bayarea.net>
Thrak75@aol.com wrote:
> as for the "keys" cd's. if you show up at the virginia version of tower > records with only enough for one cd, PLEASE get the 1st one. i really dislike > the 2nd one- it's that horrible. listening to the first one, my thoughts were > "cool- they can still play, and the studio songs, though semi-cheesy, are > decent." however, with numero dos, i thought: > > a) it sounds like 10 week old smegma > b) their age is showing, which is bad. it hurts their live performance. > especially a song like "close to the edge", where they played the ending down > a step from the original. hmm, can jon be having problems hitting notes up > there, or is it that steve likes playing on lower frets?
I have to say that I completely disagree with this assessment. In my opinion, the live performances on both Keys to Ascension albums are outstanding, with neither one standing noticeably above the other. After all, the live portions of both CDs were recorded at the same three shows, so it really wouldn't make sense for the live performances on one CD to be way better than those on the other CD. So if you were going to buy only one of the KTA discs, and you were going to base your decision on the live tracks, I would say get whichever disc has your favorite classic Yes songs. As for the new studio stuff, I like it all, but I think the stuff on KTA 2 is perhaps a little better.
-Paul
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:07:56 PST From: "Stephanie Beaulieu" <serenawiththepic@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tribute CD Message-ID: <19980202230756.2924.qmail@hotmail.com>
>> For the record, I call Burning My Soul (I think I can get away with >> playing that... ^_^) > >I'm a drummer, I'll do WFS .... that's how f**ken good I am. > >Luke.
Cool, and I'll do the vocals on Hell's Kitchen, OK? =;)
Hehehe, aren't we the funny ones...
Steph =:)
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 06:41:28 -0600 From: "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Progday '95 2CD set Message-ID: <199802030035.SAA23806@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Hey all.
Prog (not to mention heavy metal) are alive and kicking. And to prove it, I purchased Peter Renfro's (of Prog Day fame down in the Carolina area) PeogDay '95 Live 2 CD compilation. It's awesome. THere's Discipline, there's Ozone Quartet, and especially ECHOLYN!! Here's the e-mail I received a week ago:
Greetings!
This mailing list is designed to bring you all the up-to-date news regarding the international rock festival known as ProgDay. I apologize if you have received this e-mail unsolicited, or have received multiple copies. To be removed from this list or to change your address you can reply or send e-mail to: <prognerd@mindspring.com> .
ProgDay is an annual outdoor festival held at Storybook Farm in Chapel Hill, North Carolina celebrating the complexity and diversity of progressive rock. Featuring bands from around the world, the festival is held during Labor Day weekend (September 5 and 6). Bands who have performed in the past include echolyn, Deus Ex Machina, Discipline, Arsnova, and Finisterre. Although the line-up is not confirmed for ProgDay '98, serious negotiations are being conducted with Spock's Beard, The Flower Kings, Korai Orom, the Par Lindh Project and Isildur's Bane.
To learn more about ProgDay, you can visit the website at: http://www.hrzdata.com/progday/
Or you can order a ProgDay '95 double CD for $27 (while supplies last!). This CD features unique performances by echolyn, Discipline, Timothy Pure, Ozone Quartet and Bon Lozaga. Checks can be sent to Peter Renfro 207 South Elliott Road Chapel Hill, NC 27514 or Visa and Mastercard orders can call (919) 968-1181.
Thank you for your continued support!
Peter (prognerd@mindspring.com)
That's that.
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