YTSEJAM Digest 3537
Today's Topics:
1) Re: read this announcement,,,
by "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com>
2) Join the crew Virus
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
3) no idea for a subject
by "FLuke, the Lucifer SPAM" <fluke@dmci.net>
4) Re: read this announcement-it could save headaches!!! (NDTC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
5) Re: drill solo
by a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
6) Drill solos
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
7) Re: Another Parody
by Junesryche@aol.com
8) Hotmail Ytsejammers, please step forward
by JE78674@ltu.edu
9) Re: KAI selling cheap CDRs
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3535
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) FAKATTAK
by someone@prognosis.com
12) I'm confused, as usual.
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
13) Fw: DT European tour dates Pt.2
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
14) Hammerfall
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 16:49:31 EST5EDT
From: "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: read this announcement,,,
Message-ID: <199802042149.NAA21075@odin.ax.com>
On Wed, 04 Feb 1998
]From: "L. Lonstance" <bodensee@hotmail.com>
>I just received a message from somebody i trust very much that warns >of a new, very dangerous, computer virus. if you get any messages >with a subject of 'join the crew' do not open it! it could erase >your hard drive! Also, beware of 'unable to deliver to adressee', >because the virus can attach itself to these messages as well. >flame me to a crisp if you don't beleive me, but the guy who sent me >this is VERY
>trustworthy.
>--------
Oh Please,
IMHO, every time I hear about this bullshit, I go to www.sarc.com, and review the virus hoax section. You should do the same. "join the crew" has been there for months now.
Later,
-Raf-
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:48:33 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Join the crew Virus
Message-ID: <l03130302b0fe9057bacd@[128.252.105.105]>
I'm sorry to say this but you are going to get 432,765,345 flames for this
one. It is NOT a virus. A virus has to be executed to work, opening an
email message that is not set to automatically decode then execute a
program (I'm not sure this is possible unless one scripts this to happen
with Applescript or it's PC equivilent if one exist). The easiest ways to
protect yourself from a virus are use an anitvirus software that checks
your downloads (Norton, Sam, Virex etc), delete binary attachments from
people that you don't know (I've been on the net for more thatn three years
and I have never had this happen to me, don't use Microsoft Office (the
single biggest source of virii in the world is Word 5 and 6 Macros virii),
or buy a Mac (which have less than 20 known virii, excluding Word almost
none of which are serious).
Hope this helps and thanks for the concern for your fellow jammers:
List of bogus virus alerts:
Join the Crew (seen this one a billion times)
Good times (ditto)
nth degree processor loop virus (when I had this one explained to me by a
computer hardware geek it cracked me up, the "virus description" sounded
megafierce, but when it was explained that all it was was a technical
description of how a processor worked I cou7ldn't help but feel like an
idiot ;-)
Seth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"And there does sit my false sister, Anne. With a hey ho and a bonny o.
Who drowned me for the sake of a man, The swan swims so bonny oh"
-Loreena Mckennet
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:51:42 -0500
From: "FLuke, the Lucifer SPAM" <fluke@dmci.net>
To: "Ytse" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: no idea for a subject
Message-ID: <01bd31b7$14b93460$4dbdfecd@cray-t3d>
Well, the subject says it all ;)
Semi-seriously though, I've been on here for ~4 digests, and my
suspicions have been confirmed: this list is freakishly similar to the
Pink Floyd ML, Echoes. Both are mostly trading of b00ts [1],
discussion of shows (the ones being traded), and discussion of topics
only marginally related to PF [2].
[1]: on echoes, these are called RoIOs, Recordings of
Illegitimate/Indeterminate Origin, which sounds sort of like oreo,
which is further bastardized as "cookie". Eventually we have come to
refer to bakeries... :)
[2]: we actually went at least a week-and-a-half on the topic of
religion (as related to PF) with only one proselytizer, and the thread
died out quietly soon after that.
hold on, this post was supposed to have a point... lemme think... ah,
wtf. i lost it. The Echoes FAQ may be something to use as an example
for stuff to add to the DT one, i guess.
ftp://ftp.halcyon.com/pub/pink_floyd/echoes_faq has the soon-to-be
obsolete version.
BTW, any other Echoesians on this list?
rI=. carry on _ - _
\|_/ [pardon my english, i'm american] fluke@dmci.net /|\|/|\
_I__ FLuke's Stuff: http://www2.dmci.net/users/fluke \|/Y\|/
=== This Neverworld that you desire is only in your mind ~ - ~
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:57:08 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: read this announcement-it could save headaches!!! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980204195033.13563A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, L. Lonstance wrote:
> I just received a message from somebody i trust very much that warns of
> a new, very dangerous, computer virus. if you get any messages with a
> subject of 'join the crew' do not open it! it could erase your hard
> drive! Also, beware of 'unable to deliver to adressee', because the
> virus can attach itself to these messages as well. flame me to a crisp
> if you don't beleive me, but the guy who sent me this is VERY
> trustworthy.
Oh, oh!
Some years ago, when someone would tell me such things I think
that my only reaction would be to laugh at that person. Today, on the
other hand, those e-mail programs are getting sooooo "smart" (that was
sarcastic, if you can't tell) and trying to do as much work for the user
as they can that they've become very dangerous, doing disservices instead
of really helping the users.
That is, if you can disable some "facilities" of your e-mail
program such as automatically decoding programs attached to e-mails and
loading your Word for Windows, then do it *NOW*. Since Word can execute
some pretty powerful macros that can destroy the contents of your hard
drive, you should not load any text from, how can I say, promiscuous
sources.
If you're using Unix, then you're probably fine with such things,
because nothing will get you very easily.
See ya, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: drill solo Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980204165418.162066A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
> > >(Engine revving solo) > > >(Pneumatic drill solo) > > > > sounds like something Jackyl would try... ^_^ > > MR. Big has already done the drill solo thing....pshaw!
THRaKaTTaK, anyone?
(OK, there was a guitar involved there as well, but if you like really really STRANGE drill work...)
-=- "Where do you want Bill Gates to go today?" (stolen .sig)
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:59:12 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drill solos Message-ID: <34D8E4AF.FB71296F@disknet.com>
> > On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Nicholas Giannotti wrote: > > > > >(Engine revving solo) > > >(Pneumatic drill solo) > > > > > > > sounds like something Jackyl would try... ^_^ > > > > > > MR. Big has already done the drill solo thing....pshaw!
Van Halen has done the drill solo thing too. As for Jackyl.....they DID do the chainsaw solo in their Lumberjack song!
~Matt
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:59:46 EST From: Junesryche@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Another Parody Message-ID: <22627e4d.34d8e4d4@aol.com>
> On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Nicholas Giannotti wrote: > > >(Engine revving solo) > >(Pneumatic drill solo) > > > > sounds like something Jackyl would try... ^_^ > > MR. Big has already done the drill solo thing....pshaw!
-Al
So has Van Halen . . . . (Poundcake) . . . LOL
June =)
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:26:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Hotmail Ytsejammers, please step forward Message-ID: <01IT6UKKM9QQ8Y5G0Q@LTU.EDU>
Hello peoples,
I have another account located on Hotmail. I saw one or two others on here that have a Hotmail account. I was thinking that maybe we could get some kind of Hotmail group/Ytsejammer ring thing organized.
What do you think?
Jeff E.
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:41:35 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> Subject: Re: KAI selling cheap CDRs Message-ID: <34D8EE9F.2EC0@goodnet.com>
Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote: >=20 > Hey Mike, i read your post, and made me think a little about wh= ats > the best quality CDR around? Can you tell me? I bought a couple of Ryan > Withaker cd=B4s, and they are both Verbatim silver/blue. Whats the > difference?
Hi! I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to copy this reply to the Ytsejam, because it's pretty informative and a lot of people might be interested to know this stuff.
Ryan's using the good stuff. I use that too. Verbatim silver/blue (which is supposed to become silver/silver with their next product revision this spring) is by far the most reliable, best-playing, most widely supported, most aesthetically pleasing, and most available-wholesale-in-quantity media out there. Plus, it's surface printable, which makes a HUGE difference now that I'm doing on-the-disc images (which Ryan himself may eventually do as well).=20
When I rate a media, first I check to see if it works well in a lot of different machines. I try each brand as a written CD-ROM in up to six different computers (four of mine and two friends') for potential problems. Then I try it in each of the 4 Cd players and 1 laserdisc player as an audio disc, I have everything from the good Pioneer LD player to a crappy portable Aiwa to even a Sega CD player. Then I burn some game discs and see how it works in the Playstation and Saturn (modified systems of course). So far, only the Verbatim silver/blues have worked perfectly for all purposes and have had a minimum of problems. It's not the cheapest media available... I can get CMC, Memorex, Maxell, and 3M Imation all cheaper... but in the long run, I save money on reliability and all the "hidden costs" that I never have to deal with.
As for the other media, well... Maxell gold/gold ain't bad and it is great for the game systems. Problems are that it has a tendency to have write errors and failures, for reasons unclear. (If I could figure it out I might use that media more!!) Plus, it's not printable-surface, and you often have to buy it retail because the better wholesalers only really offer TDK and Verbatim. CMC and Memorex are just cheap city. Failures all over the place. My CDR drives (Teac 4x4) actually spit out CMC discs as "unsuitable to be written upon" nearly half the time! TDKs work OK as audio discs but are terrible in CD-ROM drives and for games. They skip like a Broadway dancer in the Playstation. 3M imation is visually unappealing but is fundamentally decent. It just looks so unprofessional to have their logo plastered all over my work. :)
One final media, called Signature Tuffcoat, came with my CD disc image printer, and it seems about identical to the 3M media functionally, but the surface is solid white and printable, and you can get some fantastic picture discs this way. I'm using it for the Imaginirium print run and perhaps another pic disc down the road.
--=20 - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:11:02 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3535 Message-ID: <34D8F586.3BA2@goodnet.com>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
Replies to several folks here.
> Man, pull the corn-cob out. You make it sound like its my way or no > way. I was making a _suggestion_ (which if you look up the definition > has nothing to do with being narcissistic). You see, Pat, FAQ stands > for Frequently Asked Questions. To my understanding (and correct me if> I'm wrong since you have such vast knowledge of our universe), these are> the questions to common questions that people are asking. If you look> over the past few hundred Jams, you will see that a lot people have> asked about equipment and music related issues. I was almost Actually, this is true. Even the hobbyist musicians out there are wanting to know what their next rig upgrade should be if their sound is to be as much like OFB as possible. I for one cast my vote for instrument info to be in the FAQ... that is, even though it's not a democracy and nobody's voting. :)
Eric Rodger/KAI writes:
> I have a bunch of media left, I figured I'd make good on it by offering > dupes of already done boots for cheap. I charged a lot for the LA Guns and > Wildhearts CDs, because I put those together from cassette sources, and put > a lot of hours into improving the quality. But all of these DT boots Ahhh... I understand completely. Quite a pain to do that mastering work, ain't it? Not so much because of the process being difficult... but because it takes forever and a day to get it done...
> When you lower you prices to $13, I won't be able to compete. Remember > that my product isn't of the same quality as yours. If people can choose > between full color liners for $13, or a blank, generic looking CDr for $10, > then it's obvious what they'll pick.
True enough. Well, that won't happen for a good while, so you're in good shape for the time being. I know there is a market out there for "basic dubs" (which is what I call CDRs like the ones you're dealing in) because many people are upgrading existing recordings and the like. So right away when I saw your post I knew you were going to have plenty of customers. The question now is just how many it will end up being.
> Unlike you, I won't > mind hanging it up, because I don't depend on this for income, and I don't> want it to be an everlasting business. Plus, I expect to get hit Well, even if you didn't want to depend on it, a lot of people try to make the hobby pay at least for itself, so that it can self-perpetuate no matter their personal situations. For example now that Melissa has gone back to professional work (yellow pages), she covers a great deal of my living costs, freeing up budget to be used on things like buying a disc image printer (which just happened). I'm sure you'll at least come close to breaking even at $10 per disc when you're offering basic dubs with no mastering overhead. I guess I had figured you would do like me and the others and attempt to set up a structure; a business model if you will; for which early work will make later work possible. I didn't realize you weren't in it for the long haul, but rather as something to do for the time being.
> beginning, and then for it to die off. How long do you think orders for > DoE will keep coming in. I might get 10 orders for it within the first > month, and then what? maybe 1 every couple months. There's no Well, you'd be surprised on that one. You may not get too many orders for copies of my stuff (since people with net access usually have it already), but the Jam is steadily growing, and each new collector has a tendency to cover the "bases" by ordering TDOE, Mind Control, AKIAD, CIA97, Uncovered, Lost in the Sky, and InstruMental II. Naturally, these are the first ones that I have upgraded production on, and yet you will still doubtless receive a steady stream of basic dub orders.
> I'm making cheap generic copies of CDs that already exist. You're > compiling material for CDs that no one else has. You should charge more,> simply for the time involved, not to mention the fact that since you're the> sole creator of the product, you have a monopoly on the market. If people> want the new Bahr creation, they order from Bahr - Point taken. I had actually envisioned your dubbing offers gradually extending to include custom titles... hence the logic behind my original post. If you're never going to do those, you're gonna save a TON of time and money. Everything from custom liner printing to mastering equipment is part of the equation. If you never do custom stuff, then I may well be turning customers in your direction who ask me if it's possible to just get basic copies (and yes, I do get requests of that type), because I know that's your focus.
> I can't see my project being that threatening to you, since CDr > duplicates is probably only 1% of your revenue, if not less. You Well, a rising tide lifts all boats, so I never felt threatened... indeed, you just provide more stuff for the collectors out there. I'd say CDR duplication is about 10% of my work these days. Of every ten blanks I get, I know at *least* nine go to Prism discs.
> I'll be honest > with you, if someone asks me to copy Acoustic Dreams, I'll do it. If Well, of course.. I mean, you're not Mother Teresa here. If someone asks me to copy Final Fantasy 7 or Windows 95 OSR3, I don't shed a tear for Square, Sony, or M!crosoft. It's to be expected.
> don't think people should get it from me, then you can always offer a no > cover/liner copy for $9. Then, I'll have to pack it up and go home. See, I won't be doing this, and I think this is why Ryan, Neil, and Joe don't do it either. The plain fact is that (this is an educated guess on the part of the other gentlemen, but it was my reasoning, so I'm sure they've thought it out the same way) we would rather build a solid business model, a solid production engine, than attempt to use snipe tactics to kill the market and then clean up the mess as the only person standing. The market itself thrives so much more from additional product than it would from wasting resources trying to sink someone else's boat. Because the customer really doesn't care *who* gives them the CD as long as they get the stuff they want.
> to be honest, I really figured that because you are so busy already, > that> you would welcome my involvement in the DT boot scene. It'll be some measure of relief from the basic dub requests, yes.
> Mike is IBM, and I'm just a Dell.
IBM? Heh... good one. Nah, Kiss The Stone is IBM. We're a bunch of local wholesalers doing our best to win over the hardcore crowd with as good a deal as we can offer.
To all: you'll be happy to know that, only for the lacking of enough liners and jewels for the production output I currently have, that not only the PT backlog but the TDOW backlog is now caught up also!!! The update due out tonight or tomorrow will show around 60 TDOW's left, but at least 50 of those are already made and awaiting fresh packaging. This e-mail-less week has been simply the most productive week in the history of Prism. I've killed two of the four monkeys-on-my-back in a mere 14 days. To say that I'm cracking open a cold one and partying down is an understatement.
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:49:09 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FAKATTAK Message-ID: <199802042341.PAA22169@odin.ax.com>
> Subject: re: just the FAQ
Okay... the FAQ arguers... here's the deal: ANY info on the band that is legit, should go in the FAQ. That way people can have access to whatever info they want, just by hitting the FAQ. It's organized in a manner that makes it easy to find what you're looking for. Instead of arguing about what does and doesn't belobg in the FAQ, just send your important FAQ info to Gabbo, and let him decide. That's the way it's always been in the past... the FAQ is only partly done by watching the jam... the other part is through submissions through direct e-mail. Have a Coke, take a deep breath, and SUCK THE MONKEY! :)
> IT'S A HOAX! JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHERS! NOTHING CAN > ERASE YOUR WHOLE HARD DRIVE AND > KILL YOUR FAMILY DOG WHILE RAIDING YOUR FRIDGE!
Apparently you haven't met Dr_Mosh.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I'm confused, as usual. Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980204190637.15560A-100000@mariner.cris.com>
Michael Bahr wrote:
> KAI wrote: > > I'll be honest > > with you, if someone asks me to copy Acoustic Dreams, I'll do it. > > Well, of course.. I mean, you're not Mother Teresa here. If someone > asks me to copy Final Fantasy 7 or Windows 95 OSR3, I don't shed a tear > for Square, Sony, or M!crosoft. It's to be expected.
Okay, so what's the difference between this, and making CDR's of Awake, FII, AssPog, etc. ?
Rick Audet
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:13:43 -0500 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fw: DT European tour dates Pt.2 Message-ID: <01bd31ca$eb534660$a33f1a26@w-ostrich-1>
Here's the latest update from Mike...
>Hey all, >Here are the rest of the confirmed European tour dates. > >Wed. April 1 - Volkshaus - Zurich, Switzerland >Thurs. April 2 - Palasport - Pordenone, Italy >Sun. April 5 - Esparrago Festival - Granada, Spain >Mon. April 6 - Canciller - Madrid, Spain >Tues. April 7 - Zeleste - Barcelona, Spain >Fri. April 10 - Wulfrun Hall - Wolverhampton, UK >Sat. April 11 - MDH - Manchester, UK >Mon. April 13 - The Garage - Glasgow, Scotland >Tues. April 14 - Rock City - Nottingham, UK >Thurs April 16 - La Laiterie - Strasbourg, France >Fri. April 17 - Bourges Festival - Bourges, France > >Please pass them on for me...... > >The plans for the summer are another US leg, various festivals in Europe and >possibly some recording if time permits...... >details to come as they evolve.... > >PS - The Liquid Tension Experiment CD that I did with John Petrucci, Jordan >Rudess and Tony Levin will be released on March 10th on Magna Carta records >here in the US and Roadrunner overseas....look out for it... > > >Carpe Diem, >Mike Portnoy
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:27:38 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hammerfall Message-ID: <001001bd31d4$531d5160$20b500c7@emc.caribe.net>
>From: "Kelly A. McAllister" <s0277007@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> >Subject: Re: Hammerfall > >hi! >I was just wondering if you had any extra information about hammerfall. one >of my friends just bought the Cd and I heard a couple of songs and i was >extremely impressed...Aren't they from Sweden?
Hey, my brother decided to get a random metal Cd and pickd this one up, and i must say it's purty cool. Haven't listened to it enough to get into it much, but i liked it from the beginning, and that's not very common. The singer has a high voice, tho (if i recall - been a week or so since i listened to the CD), and that's not my favorite kind of singing. Well, anyways, it's pretty cool.
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