YTSEJAM Digest 3546
Today's Topics:
1) Terrible News!!
by "Velola Keys" <v.k@som.com>
2) Re: TLF
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
3) Testament Discography (again)
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
4) Tlf
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
5) Are there any Angra .wav mono files out there?
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
6) Re: The Way It Used To Be
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
7) ytsejam problems?
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
8) Re: rumorz
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
9) Request for help...
by Ashley Day <lpaaday@lipa.ac.uk>
10) Why I hate Dream Theater...
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
11) Sebastian Bach (NDTC)
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
12) nuno?! / desperate?
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
13) eve mp3
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
14) dreamtheater cd's
by Angellaa@aol.com
15) Artension/Thought Industry
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
16) Re: dreamtheater cd's
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
17) Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD
by erodger@fore.com
18) John Arch interview
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
19) Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
20) Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD
by erodger@fore.com
21) Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
22) Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:31:18 -0600
From: "Velola Keys" <v.k@som.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Terrible News!!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980209143118.006778a4@som.com>
I just heard that Tim Kelly of Slaughter died in a car wreck over
the weekend..
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:45:25 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: "Harm's Way" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: TLF
Message-ID: <34DF1685.63DE@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> Skull wrote:
>> I just got my first listen to To Live Forever (THANK YOU!!!). The only
>> things I can think of:
>> a) these harmonies SUCK. :) Only kidding! They rock.
>> b) Ripping, RIPPING guitar solo!
Carlos:
> Am i the only one on this list that doesnt really care much for TLF? (imo,
> its just a simple rock song...granted the solo rules..but the song is nothing
> to be so excited about..imo again)
Have you heard the .mp3 of the studio demo version? I guess simplicity
is all that matters to some, but to me the quality of the instrumenation
on there is what makes the song so appealing. The mood of the music and
James' voice are what makes the song, not the 'change time signatures
every 4th note.' Mike is doing some very nice accenting in there. The
guys are showing how polished th on the studio version
I guess I just don't understand why it's so hard to get excited about
something unless it's complex. This song is about taking a groove loaded
with emotion and injecting directly into my soul. I'm not sure whether
you're the only one on the list, but I suspect you are in the minority.
I know a lot of people who really like the song.
The solo does indeed rule on the Live version :)
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:51:04 +1100
From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Testament Discography (again)
Message-ID: <l03020901b10619ad144f@[131.217.133.91]>
Forgot to post the URL to my Testament Discography:
http://members.tripod.com/~unquote/discog.html
Chris Groves.
cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:07:39 -0400
From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tlf
Message-ID: <34DF1BBB.306E2177@caribe.net>
Sorry i couldnt quote the message , cuz i hit the delete button by
mistake.. (its too damn early) ... i have the lie single..w/ TLF....
so ive listened to it quite a few times... and i mean. i like the song
but i just dont feel the same way as most of you guys....
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:24:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Are there any Angra .wav mono files out there?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980209072327.29886A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Hey friends,
This is just what the subject asked. If you know of any of these
files, can you point me to an URL or send them my way? Just got ahold of
a .wav player for DOS, so I can hear these things now. Thanks. Be
well.
Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes;
not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile...
Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a
thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile,
that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:43:29 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The Way It Used To Be
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980209144132.908A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Graham Borland wrote:
> > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
> >
> > > I saw the video to Hollow Years on VH-1 in Germany in my hotel room at 2 am
> > > last Wednesday.
> >
> > Could you describe it, please?
>
> It's a large country between Holland and Poland.
:-) If you think that's big, you should take a look a the
following countries: USA, Brazil, China, Canada, Russia (whatever it's
called in English). :-)
BTW, I'd still like to know how is the video.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:40:41 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ytsejam problems? Message-ID: <v01530500b104ef276cc2@[209.50.100.158]>
>>I've only received one jam in the last two days . . . Is anyone else >>having the same problem?
Roger must be having computer problems, not you.
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:34:44 -0500 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: rumorz Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980209133444.007cc390@mindspring.com>
>> all I want to say: I AM SORRY... I went too far with this, and I admit it, >> it all started out from one little sentence I said in #ytsejam... at least >> I have learned how fast and furiously rumours can spread. > >Interesting study in human nature, though, wasn't it. The need to be the >first on the block to have the news, caused people to throw reason out >the window and not even validate the information you posted.
It's not even that, really. The rumor about Nuno being in QR was in rec.music.queensryche hours before it was posted here. I don't know where the "reliable sources close to the band" stuff came from, but all this crap started from idle speculation on that newsgroup. It wasn't even an original rumor. :)
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpineone@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:40:13 +0000 From: Ashley Day <lpaaday@lipa.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Request for help... Message-ID: <34DF4D8D.E17@lipa.ac.uk>
Hello all, Please forgive my ignorance, as I've only just begun subscribing to this mailing list, but please bear with me... I'm currently resarching and writing music as part of my final project at University, and and going to write some music based on my studies of Dream Theater - in particular the albums 'Images & Words' and 'Awake'. Part of my research looks at how the songs and music was created, what the thoughts behind each of the songs are and various view points on the songs and what they mean to different people - i.e. the fans as well as the band. I have already read the FAQ offered by the Ytsejam mailing list and made extensive visits to sites such as the one at 'www.rsabbs.com', and found them quite useful, but I need more depth and individual viewpoints. If you have the time, please respond either to the list or to me at lpaaday@lipa.ac.uk, with either your insights or any other addresses on the web you might think useful. Any positive contributions would greatly be appreciated. Many thanks, ASHLEY DAY
PS.
Some other serious research...
Beer; A Brain Food? ====================== A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo, and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole improves by the regular culling of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can operate only as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. The result of this in-depth epidemiological study verifies and validates the casual link between all-weekend parties and working performance. It also explains why, after a few short years of leaving university and getting married, most workers cannot keep up with the performance of new graduates. Only those few that stick to the strict regimen of voracious alcoholic consumption can maintain the intellectual levels they achieved during their university years. This is a call to arms. Our country risks losing its technological edge and we should not shudder in our homes and cubicles. Get back into the bars! Quaff that pint! Suck down that longneck! Drain that glass! Your company and country need you to be at your peak, and you shouldn't deny yourself the career that you could have! Do it for your country and do it for yourself! Be all that you can be! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:44:58 -0500 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Why I hate Dream Theater... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980209134458.007ae7d0@mindspring.com>
Has anyone else noticed this phenomenea? I goto shows around my college home of Athens, Ga all the time. I'm at a concert at least 3 nights a week. Five or six years ago I would have thought a good portion of these bands were really good. Now I have a tendency to compare all music I hear/see to Dream Theater, and they never stand up very well. And though I know that DT really IS far more talented than these bands, I always have the stinging suspicion that if I had never heard DT I would enjoy other types of music much more than I do now - for all their inferiority. On a different note, I watched MTV today for the first time in at least a year, and I found that it was too soon. :) I just can't believe this stuff is popular. I saw the Big Wreck video ("The Oaf" maybe?) and it was pretty pittiful as well. It really is a shame that these "bands" are getting airplay while the real talent plays places like the Masquerade (in Atlanta). I spose, tho', that this is the standard problem for virtuosos such as DT, etc...
Quick one: I found a place in Athens, the kingdom of generic southern rock, that actually has DT on the jukebox. Sneakers, a locally owned restraunt, has CIAW and 6:00 on a compilation CD called "Great Rock Hits" (or something of that nature). Take care all...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpineone@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sebastian Bach (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980209134412.5528C-100000@bdmserver>
Speaking og Bach, I read this:
Joey Ramone and ex-Skid Row vocalist Sebastian Bach will both star in Robert D. Tucker's indie horror flick Final Rinse. What's it about? A serial killer with a fetish for long-haired musicians! Ramone has been cast as a nightclub MC. As for Bach, well, he'll essentially be playing himself: a long-haired vocalist. The film will also feature performances by The Independents, Biohazard and Slaughter, among others.
|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:49:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: nuno?! / desperate? Message-ID: <199802091942.OAA15423@bertelsmanncis.com>
from jon, on the nuno rumor: >Interesting study in human nature, though, wasn't it. The need to be the >first on the block to have the news, caused people to throw reason out >the window and not even validate the information you posted.
very true. all the more true, in fact, considering how poor a fit this would seem to be stylistically. i personally would have believed it if people said someone like, say, frank aresti, or someone else closer to queensryche's sound....
from damon, about some effects thingy: >I am selling it for $150 and >No music store will take it for even $75
hmmm.... alright, let me think about this one real hard... nobody wants it at half your asking price... now you want some "kind jammer" to pay your apparently exorbitant price....
gee, it's a really, really tough call, but i think i'll have to pass.
--MATt
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:30:24 -0700 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: eve mp3 Message-ID: <001701bd3599$8eeff1c0$202746cf@sir.micron.net>
Yea burny (er korgx3) switched to safelink from cyberhighway so the site = was taken down. It might be back up soon. if not, we can work out some kind = of icq/irc file transfer.
Get high on ether when there's no one in the house. Pretend it's the big one the moment you pass out. That's just rehearsal, but it's comforting somehow To practice dying now.
woot=99
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:38:04 EST From: Angellaa@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dreamtheater cd's Message-ID: <d67cf194.34df692e@aol.com>
does anyone know exactly how many official dt cd's there are ( not including bootlegs ) and the names of the cd's ( like a list ) sorry to waste the space for this Angella
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:01:16 -0600 (CST) From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Artension/Thought Industry Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980209145908.7367A-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
I saw CDs by these 2 bands (Artension and Thought Industry) and have heard them mentioned before. Can anyone tell me about them so I don't have to buy blindly? I've heard a few good things about Artension but not much of anything about Thought Industry. Info on either would be appreciated. Thanks.
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved | | The Phoenix Will we be able to rise | | From these ashes we've sown | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:27:22 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: dreamtheater cd's Message-ID: <199802092127.NAA12421@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Angellaa@aol.com said: > >does anyone know exactly how many official dt cd's there are >( not including bootlegs ) >and the names of the cd's ( like a list ) >sorry to waste the space for this >Angella
DT has about 200 official CD's out... and they can all be found in the FAQ
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:54:23 -0500 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980209165423.00b80d50@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
EVE studio version on 3" bonus CD included with Awake CD, released Oct. 94 Japan.
I've been holding on to this for some unknown reason, but I don't need it anymore. If anyone's looking to have this gem, contact me. Not sure yet what price I'm looking to get for it.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:03:59 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: John Arch interview Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980209170338.5528J-100000@bdmserver>
http://www.concentric.net/~Btlhymns/arch.htm
It is a pretty detailed interview.
|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:15:33 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD Message-ID: <34df80030ada003@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <3.0.3.32.19980209165423.00b80d50@mailhost.eng.fore.com> from ytsejam@ax.com: > > > EVE studio version on 3" bonus CD included with Awake CD, released Oct. 94 > Japan.
Isn't this the one that even Portnoy doesn't have?
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:28:47 -0500 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980209172847.00beb2c0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
If it is, someone should tell him its for sale. All I want is his share of royalties for the next 6 albums, then that should cover it.
KAI
At 02:29 PM 2/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Responding to the message of ><3.0.3.32.19980209165423.00b80d50@mailhost.eng.fore.com> >from ytsejam@ax.com: >> >> >> EVE studio version on 3" bonus CD included with Awake CD, released Oct. 94 >> Japan. > >Isn't this the one that even Portnoy doesn't have? > >-Brian > >
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:48:51 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980209174420.11719A-100000@mariner.cris.com>
KAI wrote regarding Portnoy not owning this one:
> If it is, someone should tell him its for sale. All I want is his share of > royalties for the next 6 albums, then that should cover it.
No, it's the little CD with "Tears" (Rush) on it, given to owners of the first few hundred "Awake" CD's (I forget exactly how many) who mailed in the card that came with the CD. "Return this card for a free surprise CD" or something like that.
Rick Audet
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:51:44 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Japanese Awake with EVE bonus CD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980209205103.4293A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Brian Hayden wrote:
> > EVE studio version on 3" bonus CD included with Awake CD, released Oct. 94 > > Japan. > > Isn't this the one that even Portnoy doesn't have?
No, that's the one with "Tears" and it was the Japanese 3" cd for the people who bought ACoS.
> -Brian
[]s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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