YTSEJAM Digest 3547
Today's Topics:
1) Things to do in the Bay area? (NDTC)
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3546
by BA <geleshka@postoffice.ptd.net>
3) Artension/Thought Industry
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
4) Fates in Los Angeles
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Superior/Album Recommendations, please?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
6) "Swallowed Beers"
by rjurado <rjurado@eiger.com.ph>
7) The way woot and I's Eve cover Used to Be
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) wow- sad day
by Thrak75@aol.com
9) Arkhe
by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
10) Re: dreamtheater cd's
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
11) RE:Stratovarius best of...
by "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
12) RE:Artension/Thought Industry
by "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
13) Re: Arkhe
by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
14) UK tour - Wolverhampton gig details
by Paul May <Paul.May@Bristol.ac.uk>
15) Japanese FII
by Till Wagner <wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
16) NDTC: Lions share; Finn Ytse Beer
by Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi>
17) CD carriers....
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:05:02 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Things to do in the Bay area? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199802092310.SAA06413@indy4.indy.net>
Hey guys and gals,
Work is probably sending me to Santa Clara for the next two to four weeks.
What prog-related happenings (probably not many, if any) or great record
stores (aren't Enchant and Spock's West Coast bands?) do I NEED to vist?
Can anybody help?
Mike Patrick
Indianapolis, IN
mepatric@indy.net
mepatric@mail.delcoelect.com
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:08:41 +0000
From: BA <geleshka@postoffice.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3546
Message-ID: <34DF5434.922F457C@mail.ptdprolog.net>
> PS.
>
> Some other serious research...
>
> Beer; A Brain Food?
> ======================
> A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo, and
> when
> the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones that are killed
> first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because
> the general speed and health of the whole improves by the regular
> culling of the weakest members.
> In much the same way, the human brain can operate only as fast as the
> slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills
> brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain
> cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the
> weaker cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.
> The result of this in-depth epidemiological study verifies and
> validates
> the casual link between all-weekend parties and working performance.
> It
> also explains why, after a few short years of leaving university and
> getting married, most workers cannot keep up with the performance of
> new
> graduates. Only those few that stick to the strict regimen of
> voracious
> alcoholic consumption can maintain the intellectual levels they
> achieved
> during their university years.
> This is a call to arms. Our country risks losing its technological
> edge
> and we should not shudder in our homes and cubicles. Get back into the
> bars! Quaff that pint! Suck down that longneck! Drain that glass!
> Your company and country need you to be at your peak, and you shouldn't
> deny yourself the career that you could have! Do it for your country
> and do it for yourself! Be all that you can be!
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
Hmm, I feel my brain hungering. I mean..I'm thirsty..I mean, uh..
BA
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:26:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Artension/Thought Industry
Message-ID: <199802100026.TAA47630@pilot005.cl.msu.edu>
Haven't posted in awhile... Anyway, I know of Artension by reputation.
The bassist is Kevin Chown, a most amazing musician. He used to be the
bassist for Tiles, an awesome Detroit prog band, and has a solo instr. CD
available that rivals Stu Hamm's best work. He's a really nice guy as well
and can be reached at KCDetroit@aol.com. If his work on the Artension CD is
as good as his Tiles work and his solo work, I'm sure it's an excellent CD.
Thought Industry, on the other hand, is not for the faint of heart.
They're completely unlike every other band I've ever heard, but the closest
comparison I could make would be to take most of the funk out of Primus
and replace it with the rap/metal of Korn and throw in alot of prog-style
time changes and key changes. Take all that and throw in a bad acid trip
and some AMAZING technical proficiency and you'll have a fair approximation.
Seriously, they're aggressively prog and very very heavy (but not death!).
It took me quite awhile to get used to the style, but I love it now. My advice
would be to start with Songs for Insects if you like heavy funk rap styles
like Korn or Incubus and start with Black Umbrella if you prefer lighter fare.
Be forewarned, it's very dark, demented, deep, and some other D words I can't
think of right now. Anyone familiar with them like to add to, confirm, or
correct any of this?
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon ChapterAssumptions: Knowledge = Power Time = Money Power = Work/Time
Substituting into the power equation: Knowledge = Work/Money Solving for money: Money = Work/Knowledge
Therefore, as knowledge approaches zero, money approaches infinity, regardless of the initial value of work. This explains why most rich people are idiots and why working harder doesn't seem to make you any more money! :)
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:46:10 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates in Los Angeles Message-ID: <199802100046.QAA14999@gms.gmsnet.com>
Well... April 10th will be at the Shack, in Anaheim, I've never been there, but again, my friends Ocean Seven will be opening, these guys are heavily influenced by Fates, Marillion and others... I have an mp3 on my page.
April 11th is the wicked triple bill:
Ocean Seven Prototype and of course
Fates Warning at the Whisky A-Go-Go in Hollywood.
Both opening bands are simply INCREDIBLE. Prototype is very hard edged, but progressive and technical, must be heard.
Hope to see any and all of you out there... if any of you need pre-sale discount tix... e-mail me.
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:16:28 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Superior/Album Recommendations, please? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980209230521.5201A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Nick Giannotti wrote:
> D) Just had my first exposure to Superior myself - not too bad. I love the > guitarist's tones, but I kinda get the feeling that they write prog for the > sake of being prog, not necessarily because it's what they feel. This > probably isn't the case, but it's just an impression I get. I'll be giving > it another chance, though - who knows? Hopefully it'll grow on me more than > APSoG did (or did not, as the case may be).
I feel the same way... But I wouldn't call that prog METAL (emphasis on METAL). It's not really PROG metal. Much less PROG (Yes, Gentle Giant, ELP, Genesis, Kansas).
Hey, what could you recommend me if I like the first 9 tracks of Camel's "The Snow Goose"?? Really nice, man (I intend to buy this album if the rest of the disc sounds like the first 9 tracks). How are their other albums? Is this their best?? Really catchy instrumental disc (ok, there are some voices in 2 of the tracks, but they aren't singing anything, just following the melody). Any recommendations are welcome.
Since I want to buy some algums (ok, Jon, I'll get Yes' ToTO, or whatever it's called :-) ), I'd like to know what Sean/Shawn Malone's "Cortlandt" sounds like. If you could send me some MP3 files of some of his songs, I'd be pretty much indebted. I only heard that it is "progressive jazz". While I'm trying to figure out what could be under that cryptic description, I must say that it is indeed tempting. But I won't blindly buy the album (I'll be ordering it from CD Connection and I don't want to pay some bucks, then customs and then freight just to discover that the album doesn't do anything for me -- being outside the US sucks sometimes).
> -Nicholas > "Anyone who believes in psychokineses, please raise my right hand."
:-)
Thank you very much in advance for any recommendation, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:54:37 -0800 From: rjurado <rjurado@eiger.com.ph> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "Swallowed Beers" Message-ID: <34DFF9AD.3878CDB8@globalcafe.com.ph>
Hi,
Could someone do a good deed for today and send me a copy of the jam with "Swallowed Beers", the HY parody. I seem to have deleted it prematurely. Ooops!
Thanks in advance
Rob
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:31:15 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The way woot and I's Eve cover Used to Be Message-ID: <01bd35c3$942b4340$2e0d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
>I'm quite glad that The Way It Used To Be didn't make it on to the album. >It sounds like a bog-standard pop song, with that cheesy delayed-guitar >intro . . . very unimpressive.
heheh. That's kind of why I like it. It's something different from the band. Sorta like To Live Forever. Not really what I'd consider progressive (considering I'm not the prog fan I used to be) but it has a nifty groove. There's parts that I can feel a RUSH vibe going and parts that I think sound like that last QR effort (yah, beat me to a mass of fecies and tissue). All in all I really like it, and listened to it about 5 times today (I just got the single today). Then, after the "new song" status wears off, it might get files back, but it's hard to say. TLF is still one of my favorite DT songs even though I've played it to death. (shrug).
And for anyone still wanting to download that Eve cover, I've moved it to http://www.safelink.net/washburn I'm not keeping it there for too long, so get it now if you want it.
P.S. Ya'all can steal that animated DT gif if ya want, too. You don't even have to give me credit. I'm not vain. :) It's even transparent. Ooooooh... Transparencies...
KorgX3 (yeah, a.k.a. Washburn, I go through nicks like underwear. I have two pair I change once every 6 months)
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:39:49 EST From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org Subject: wow- sad day Message-ID: <343afc2e.34dfda17@aol.com>
sad day in the music world. a symbol of 80s pop passed away.
koba, wild.
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"it's hard for me to say what's right when all i wanna do is wrong." -prince ************************************************************************ this came from rolling stone online: 'Rock Me Amadeus' Singer Dies in Car Crash
Falco's sport utility vehicle collides with a bus in Santo Domingo
Falco, a classical music wunderkind-turned-two-hit wonder, died in a traffic accident Friday in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic two weeks shy of his 41th birthday.
The Austrian musician, born Johann Holzel, emerged in 1982 with the synth- heavy Top 40 smash "Der Kommissar" and then re-emerged four years later with the equally-poppy, No. 1 hit "Rock Me Amadeus."
Falco suffered a fatal head injury when his sport utility vehicle collided with a bus as he was pulling onto a highway near the resort of Puerto Plaza.
Although Falco had few hits in the U.S., the prodigal artist recorded more than ten albums (not including various "best of" and "remix" packages) during his career and was believed to have just completed a new record prior to his death.
<A HREF="mailto:RS Blair F">BLAIR R. FISCHER</A> (February 9, 1998)
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:53:49 -0600 From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Arkhe Message-ID: <199802100554.VAA02490@odin.ax.com>
does anyone have any clue as to where there CD can be ordered from? i've hit about every CD site that i can find. locating their CD is just about as difficult as finding Empty Tremor.
Izzzzz
"Windows95, Word97, Excel95: With all the criticisms of Microsoft, at least they provide "best-before" dating on many of their products... "
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:14:30 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: dreamtheater cd's Message-ID: <34DFF046.309EA7A3@sydney.net>
Angellaa@aol.com wrote: > > does anyone know exactly how many official dt cd's there are > ( not including bootlegs ) > and the names of the cd's ( like a list ) > sorry to waste the space for this > Angella
Gabbo FAQ her immediately :)
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Date: 10 Feb 98 10:23:16 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE:Stratovarius best of... Message-ID: <0021E2CD070000010103EB875F042E@mail.logisware.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Matt Teiper asketh:
>Secondly, I have been considering getting the new Stratovaius BEST OF CD for a >while. I finally found a track listing, but I was hoping that any Strat fans >out there can e-mail me and let me know if it's worth getting. I mean, is it >an accurate representation of their career? I went to one web page I found, >and the guy listed what he considered to be highlights of all their albums, >and a lot of them did not appear on the BEST OF. I'm also a little concerned >because my fave Strat song of the few I've heard (Father Tme) is not listed on >the BEST OF. (The only CD I have of theirs is "Episode".) Anyway, the BEST >OF is around $32 or so; the individual albums are listed as like $14 or so. >Would it be worth it to shell out the $32 for the 1 disc, or use that cash to >get maybe 3 of their studio albums? Please let me know. Again, thanks again, >and I'd appreciate any help.
Sorry for the long quote, but I felt it was called for. The answer to whether the "The Past and Now - Best of Stratovarius" is worth getting for $32 my answer would be no. The track list is compiled by Stratovarius' Japansese record company JVC, and IMO is not an "accurate representation of their career", as you put it, because a lot of the real pearls are missing from it, like "Speed of Light", "Father Time" and "Visions (Southern Cross)" and at least one track from their utterly unlistenable first album is included (Future Shock, unless this is the '96 remake). My suggestion would be to get three of their studio albums, and given that you already have "Episode", those three would be "Visions", "Fourth Dimension" and "Dreamspace". This solution laaves you without just one awesome song, "The Hands of Time", which can be found on "Twilight Time", but you can't win it all. :) Then again, you might want to wait a while more, because their double live album "Visions of Europe", which by the way, does not include "The Hands of Time" either, will be out in a matter of days now. :) But, if you're a collector, there's only a print of 30.000 of those discs...it's your call. :)
_Mape_
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Date: 10 Feb 98 10:42:27 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE:Artension/Thought Industry Message-ID: <002136CE070000010103EB875F042E@mail.logisware.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Someone who calls him/herself "The Phoenix" said:
>Subject: Artension/Thought Industry >I saw CDs by these 2 bands (Artension and Thought Industry) and have heard >them mentioned before. Can anyone tell me about them so I don't have to >buy blindly? I've heard a few good things about Artension but not much of >anything about Thought Industry. Info on either would be appreciated.
Well, Artension is IMO a good band, not great, but good. What draws the attention in Artension is their keyboard player Vitalij Kuprij who no doubt is the fastest keyboarder within the realms of prog and metal (I mean, he can play circles around Jens Johansson and Kevin Moore). Their singer is very good too, John West, he sounds a lot like Ian Gillan in his headay and his singing style is very Deep Purple-ish as well. If you've ever heard Rainbow, I would say that maybe the best way to describe Artension is a cross between Rainbow and Dream Theater. Mind you, neither one of Artension's CDs ("Into The Eye of the Storm" and "Phoenix Rising") are not too well produced and may sound a wee bit outdated. Kuprij ("High Definition") and West ("Mind Journey") have also solo albums. All the CDs mentioned are released on Shrapnel Records (www.shrapnelrecords.com).There are soundbytes from Artension dudes' solo albums available in .RA format in there.
Thought Industry...they're a little bit harder to describe. Someone here once said that Thought Industry are "like Primus on crack", which may be a good description. I mean, these guys are far beyond weird. Technically they're exceptionally good, but their stuff is VERY out there. I only have two of their albums (do they have more albums than "Songs for Insects" and "Mods Carve the Pig", anyone?) but to say the truth, I haven't gotten much out of either of them. Way too weird for my tastes.
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:57:30 +0100 From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Arkhe Message-ID: <34E0167A.7BAD7A08@hm.telia.no>
Hey Yzzy ! You can order it from the Laser`s edge at this address: http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd/progmetal.html Good Luck, Bj=F8rnar ! yzzy wrote: >=20 > does anyone have any clue as to where there CD can be ordered from? i'= ve > hit about every CD site that i can find. locating their CD is just abo= ut > as difficult as finding Empty Tremor. >=20 > Izzzzz >=20 > "Windows95, Word97, Excel95: With all the criticisms of Microsoft, at > least they provide "best-before" dating on many of their products... "
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 9:45:58 GMT From: Paul May <Paul.May@Bristol.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Dream Theater Mailing List) Subject: UK tour - Wolverhampton gig details Message-ID: <199802100945.JAA25385@snow-white.chm.bris.ac.uk>
Hi,
I found out the details for the Wolverhampton gig at Wulfrun Hall on the 10th April. It's an all-standing venue, with a box office telephone number of 01902 552121. Details of how to get there, parking etc can be found at: <http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/leisure/civic.htm>
Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul May, School of Chemistry, University of Bristol, UK tel: +44 (0)117 928-9000 x4276, fax: +44 (0)117 925-1295 <mailto:paul.may@bris.ac.uk> <http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/staff/pwm.htm> "Can you imagine a world in which there are no hypothetical situations?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:46:04 +0100 From: Till Wagner <wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Japanese FII Message-ID: <34E05A1C.7E82@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Hi,
one question: yesterday I saw a japanese copy of FII for 39,95DM (about 23$). But has it always the 2-track-single-Cd inside, or was this just a limited edition like the "Eve"-single thet came with "Awake"????????
tw -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - "Since man's natural instincts lead him to sin, all men are sinners; - - and all sinners go to hell. If everyone goes to hell, then you will - ---- meet all your friends there. Heaven must be populated with some --- -- rather strange creatures if all they lived for was to go to a place - -------------- where they can stump harps for eternity." --------------- -------------- Anton Szandor LaVey -- The Satanic Bible ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Till 'Tillroy' Wagner <wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> or <twagner@artifex.de> Elisabethenstr. 42f; D-63225 Langen; Germany
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:36:40 +0200 From: Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC: Lions share; Finn Ytse Beer Message-ID: <F12B2785885AD1118687000629866EED0309E9@AVENAEXC>
i never have any DT content. wrong list maybe? :-)
i wanted to know if anyone here has heard of LIONS SHARE, a very cool Swedish METAL band with obvious proge influences? I saw them supporting UDO last Friday, and was really impressed. I mean they made me mosh and that doesn't happen that often (no hair to mosh with. LOL). So if you have any info, or an URL, I'd appreciate it! Cheers!
UDO. Can you say METAL??? This one must have been the metallest (?) gig I've ever been to. Lots of male bonding and beer at Tavastia Club that night, shouting Balls To The Wall. And I finally found the long lost metal side of myself that's been hiding behind the mellow proge side :-) Yihaa! Thank you, my dear friend (you know who you are), for taking me to see them! Merci!
I have given up the thought of Finn Ytse Beer. Everyone seems to have their own plans for the night, me included. Just look out for those Ytse shirts at the gig, or meet bunch of us in front of Jyrki (hehe, in case the band goes there)...
Life sure has good & bad surprises... Long live the music of Tim Kelly! Slaughter was a big part of my personal music education, back in the teenage years. *sigh*
Tenze / Tanya / whoever
P.S. Had fun reading the Nuno rumours on the Kramer's Extreme page. Don't EVER believe what OP Komonen lets out of his mouth, unless you hear it somewhere else, too. :-) Kultsipuppeli!
-------------------------------------------- tanja.sorsa@avena.fi tenze@hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Tenze/ --------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:50:02 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CD carriers.... Message-ID: <34E0772A.A8E51B7B@ameritech.net>
A quick question: I need a CD holder, so I don't have 40 CD's falling all over in my car. However, I've heard that most of these actually scratch your CD's!
Which one/ ones would be best?
Thanks, -Joe D.
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