YTSEJAM Digest 3548
Today's Topics:
1) Glasgow concert
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
2) Hollow Years Japan EP
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
3) Re: CD Carriers and Thought Industry
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
4) QR and ET
by someone@prognosis.com
5) Trent Gardner on his new project (as seen on alt.music.dream-theater)
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
6) Aaahh!! I'm a killer!!
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
7) Unix? Moralist? Humour (NDTC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) re: Things to do in the Bay area? (NDTC)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
9) UFO!
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
10) Possible Bootleg?
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
11) Falco
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
12) Derek in Proview
by andrew miller <MillerA@chop.isca.uiowa.edu>
13) Response to Ashley Day
by "Tomasz Potocki" <annset@friko3.onet.pl>
14) FII MIDIS
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
15) Thought Industry
by David Edwards <bub@maine.rr.com>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:00:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Glasgow concert
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.41-0210170048-b49rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Here's what you'll need to know for the DT gig in Glasgow:
Tickets from:
Ticket Talk (@The Cathouse), 15 Union Street, Glasgow. Mon - Sat 11 - 6pm
Ripping Records, 91 South Bridge, Edinburgh
Credit Card Bookings on 0870 601 0002
All prices quotes are excluding booking fee!!!
Mon 13 April 98 Dream Theater The Garage ukp 10.50adv
All this info comes from the Cathouse Promotions website, which also
has comprehensive live music listings for central Scotland:
http://www.cathouse.co.uk/cgi-bin/showevt.pl?source=/httpcat/cplpromo/gigs.htm
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:06:08 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hollow Years Japan EP Message-ID: <34E10790.170C@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
The Japanes Hollow Years EP will be out in Japan by the end of this month.
Has anyone more info about the tracks on the CD ?
Btw, I haven't recieve digest 3546 !!!!
Can somebody send it to me.
Thank you.
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:09:08 -0500 (EST) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CD Carriers and Thought Industry Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980210120209.19601A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
To the guy asking about CD carriers...
I wouldn't do it. It just makes it that much easier to have all your CDs stolen in one single blow. It's happened to 3 or 4 of my friends already. One friend of mine had 100 CDs stolen. I just grab 3 or 4 before I leave so that if I get ripped off I don't lose that much. Be especially hesitant about carrying rare CDs around. That same friend had the original Garage Days Re-Revisited in there.
About Thought Industry...
They are a really creative band. The descriptions of their older stuff have been fairly accurate as the bastard child of DT and Primus. They are from Kalamazoo, and when my band went to K'zoo to record our album, the TI drummer came down to the studio to hang out. I learned a lot about the biz from talking to that guy. Real cool to shoot the shit with. Their newer stuff is more subdued, not as crazy as they used to be, but still really quirky and original. The newer stuff might not be as accepted by 'Jammers, but everybody here should at least check out "Songs For Insects".
-C#
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:23:47 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: QR and ET Message-ID: <199802101715.JAA07354@odin.ax.com>
> From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: rumorz > > It's not even that, really. The rumor about Nuno being in QR was in > rec.music.queensryche hours before it was posted here. I don't know where > the "reliable sources close to the band" stuff came from, but all this crap > started from idle speculation on that newsgroup. It wasn't even an > original rumor. :)
Actually, I'm pretty positive thart OP started it there too. He called himself the "Reliable source close to the band" and got it put on the Finland MTV page, I believe, as well as Canadian TV (Canadians are so inferior.) As you might guess, just because he's on this list, doesn't mean he put the rumor up here first. It was an original rumor... he didn't Bahr it from the QR newsgroup (And that's a JOKE!)
Empty Tremor: My girlfriend dubbed them the "Progressive Hanson" Are they talented? Yes. Are they on the level with Shadow Gallery, Angra, and DT, not by a long shot. These guys are really young, and if they're not thinking "We're the shit now!" which I don't think they are... I've gotten a few emails from the band, they're going to get so much better. When I was 15, I couldn't play like this. Over the past 5 years, I've made the most significant improvements in my playing yet... these kids will be monsters. What didn't I like? I loved the vocals. Beautiful voice. The keys were pretty good. The bass was unremarkable... I mean, it fit well, which is a big plus, but it didn't stick out as anything awesome. The guitars were tight, but they tended to meander in the solos... I would almost prefer that these dudes didn't solo... they need to get their chops down a bit more, and create solos that are memorable for the melody as well as the flash (not just speed, but the accents, and sliding and what-not, that make solos come alive). The drums were my biggest gripe. This dude wants to be Portnoy so bad, you can hear him spit! The kid can play, but he doesn't know when and what to play... there's a tune off Mosh's site that the drummer is completely out of place, tossing in these little double bass rolls and overactive fills, over a slow calm piece of music... it hurt to listen to. He needs to learn a few things about dynamics, unless of course, they accidentally cranked the drums way up in the mix, and that's why he stands out as a sore thumb. Still, in a couple years, they'll be monsters if they practice practice practice! Now I have to tell you, I'm insulted at the comparisons to Shadow Gallery and Vanden Plas, saying that Empty Tremor blows them away technically. That, is just not true... I mean, that's an issue that can be solved empirically. There can be no doubt that the guys in Shadow Gallery can outplay ET technically. If you prefer their melodies or their sound... that's fine. Let's not be too hasty though.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Trent Gardner on his new project (as seen on alt.music.dream-theater) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980210121951.28213A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Here's something from Trent Gardner on his new side project (with JP)
-jeremy
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Hello-
Just thought I would let everyone know what this project is.
I was hired to write a complete project for other players.After finishing all the songs and lyrics we hired Terry Bozzio and Billy Sheehan to finish out the basic tracks. There are simply amazing solos by John Petrucci and others.The project is unique in that, unlike others,the music was composed in advance. It can best be described as Magellan meets JP.
Trent Gardner
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Sounds pretty awesome. I can't wait!
+=====================================================================+ Every man, you see, is born beneath the sword Damocles, For young and old are all alive on that next beat on which we ride, And that beat is such a fragile thing, in both old men and youthful king, And that beat stands all alone, you see, between us and black eternity, And until that time, when death won't wait, let each man rage against, his fate.-- Savatage _The Wake of Magellan_ +=====================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:24:32 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Aaahh!! I'm a killer!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980210115945.2127A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
I was horrified to read the wildkoba's post about Falco: > Falco, a classical music wunderkind-turned-two-hit wonder, died in a traffic > accident Friday in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic two weeks shy of his 41th > birthday.
AAaaahhh!!! I'm a killer!!!
I was creeped out seriously when Tim Kelly died in a car crash just a few hours after my "Day O' Slaughter", with me playing all my Slaughter discs at high volume during most of the day.
Then, on Friday, I had my "80's Music Day" with -- you guessed it -- Falco represented prominently in the discs I was spinning.
I am now terrified to play any Dream Theater lest one of OFB's members meet an untimely end. Somebody else famous better die in a hurry to take the curse off (don't they say that celebrities always die in threes?) so I can play music again. I don't want any more deaths on my conscience...:)
ta, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Glass Hammer -- "Journey of the Dunadan"
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:29:58 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Unix? Moralist? Humour (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980210152734.9922A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi there, people.
If you are an Unix user, you can try the following:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [dijkstra:~]$ [dijkstra:~]$ %blow bash: fg: %blow: no such job [dijkstra:~]$ cat > moralismo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
And then, tell me that Unix isn't moralist!!! :-)
See ya, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:33:47 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Things to do in the Bay area? (NDTC) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980210093347.006acdd0@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Mike Patrick wrote:
>Work is probably sending me to Santa Clara for the next two to four weeks. >What prog-related happenings (probably not many, if any) or great record >stores (aren't Enchant and Spock's West Coast bands?) do I NEED to vist? >Can anybody help?
Let's see if I can help...
For live music, you'll want to check the schedule at The Edge in Palo Alto. (http://www.club.net/edge/index.html). Club Kaos in Fremont used to be the best place for Prog, but it is closed right now after a riot or murder or something. Who knows when it will reopen...There's also several clubs in downtown San Jose that have live shows. Pick up a "Metro" when you get here. It's a free weekly paper with most of the show listings.
For records stores, check out the Compact Disc Warehouse in Sunnyvale on El Camino. They have a Prog section, and lots of used cds. They also have cd players, so you can listen to used cds right there.
For general partying, check out Murphy Street in Sunnyvale, University Avenue in Palo Alto, or Downtown San Jose. Lost of Pubs, microbreweries, etc.
I doubt that Enchant or Spock's Beard are playing during that time. I talked to Ted Leonard from Enchant in Nov. at the DT show, and specifically asked him when they were going to play in the area, and they didn't have any plans at that time. They're focusing on the next cd right now (and a new record contract). They opened for Fates during the summer at Club Kaos, and it was a killer show. (Well, it almost killed them. Due to bad grounding, TL and DO were getting the s**t shocked out of themselves. Ted almost quit at one point.) That's also the show where Portney was hanging out, and played a song with Enchant.
hasta la prog, BH
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:45:41 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UFO! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980210094541.006acdd0@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Big news for UFO fans:
They are going to play in Palo Alto, CA on April 16. I was there for their last show, and it was with the original lineup. A great show, it was basically the "Strangers in the Night" album played in it's entirety, note for note perfect. (Damn, I hope they weren't synching!) Since it was one of their only stops, people were offering hundreds of dollars for $15 tickets. It's a small place.
Info can be found at:
http://www.club.net/edge/index.html
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:05:03 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Possible Bootleg? Message-ID: <34E0A4DF.3536@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I just dloaded an mp3 of JLMB from Jan 2nd in Hartford (I was there and I still haven't recovered from it) Does someone have a tape of the entire concert? Does anyone know who I can get in touch with about this? Thanx
Chris
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:40:15 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Falco Message-ID: <v01530511b1066a6b5b71@[209.50.100.138]>
>>The Austrian musician, born Johann Holzel, emerged in 1982 with the synth- >>heavy Top 40 smash "Der Kommissar" and then re-emerged four years later with >>the equally-poppy, No. 1 hit "Rock Me Amadeus."
I remember both of these songs, but had no idea they were by the same band. Wasn't Der Kommissar by a band called After the Fire? Maybe Falco was in this band ??? Oh, and not that I really care, either :-)
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Date: Tue Feb 10 15:16:31 1998 From: andrew miller <MillerA@chop.isca.uiowa.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek in Proview Message-ID: <9802102116.AA16126@chop.isca.uiowa.edu>
i got the Winter issue of Proview, the Korg magazine, and it had a tidbit on Derek in there. it was basically a plug for the Trinity ProX, talking about how he likes his, etc etc. but here's the part i chuckled at:
"Dream Theater is best known as a progressive rock band that has topped the charts with hits such as "Pull Me Under" and "Lies"."
-Andrew subtlerage@subtlerage.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:29:11 +0100 From: "Tomasz Potocki" <annset@friko3.onet.pl> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Response to Ashley Day Message-ID: <199802102127.WAA32618@friko3.onet.pl>
Ashley Day wrote:
I'm currently resarching and writing music as part of my final project at University, and and going to write some music based on my studies of Dream Theater - in particular the albums 'Images & Words' and 'Awake'. Part of my research looks at how the songs and music was created, what the thoughts behind each of the songs are and various view points on the songs and what they mean to different people - i.e. the fans as well as the band. I have already read the FAQ offered by the Ytsejam mailing list and made extensive visits to sites such as the one at=20 'www.rsabbs.com', and found them quite useful, but I need more depth and individual viewpoints. ---------------------------------------- Dear Ashley,=20
I am writing to you from Poland, where Dream Theater is really marginal, = since even in the States it was a true accomplishement that such a band = "made it". By saying so, I mean that truly good music cannot be = understood. Poland - although many in the world think we have three = hands, one leg, one eye and one brain cell - is a country like any = other. When one turns on the radio in Poland, he hears the same shit he = can heat in the US, Britain, Czech Republic, Russia, China or Japan. = There's hip-hop, rap, pseudo-rock, ballads, Celine Dion and Barbara = Streisand and other barf compositions. The point is that music is too = much of a compromise nowadays and the main aim of performers (notice the = lack of the word 'artists') is to make money and live the life of an = "artist". All of this is crap. I myself - just like everybody else - = play music. I've had many influences, starting from Polish bands I = discovered when I was 10, moving through things like Iron Maiden, = Queensriche, Rush, Marillion, King's X - even a few techno and disco = things due to melodies they incorporate - but the thing of ultimate = disgrace to all those assholes who finds music as a source of money = only, was Dream Theater. The band are everything to me. I find their = compositions to complete my world. It isn't even an issue of what other = bands play. The point is that there was a musical space inside of me = that needed filling. DT did just that. Let me recall John's knock on the = acoustic during the 'Silent Man' solo, Portnoy's drum intro in '6:00', = John's (Myung) bass melody just before the vocals enter in 'Lines in the = Sand', the Voondaloo (sorry, the spelling may be incorrect) impro, and = millions of other absolutely astounding compositions, single melodies, = harmonic developments, chord progresions and what have you. Generally = speaking, it is difficult to come up with a composition which could at = least compare with a DT composition. I am not saying that other bands = suck. Most bands suck - true. But each one of us had to grow up on = something before Dream Theater came up. I still love all the bands I = used to listen to, but I cannot find the fealing in such a variety of = styles in the case of other guitar players. I mean John can play rock, = classical, jazz, thrash, pop - well, from what I believe, everything. = You have technical monster as Malmsteen, Satriani, Vai, Scofield and = others, but when I hear John, I hear that every sound he plays comes = directly from the heart of his soul. Well, I do have my objectives - I = still cannot stand the fast part in Voices which Petrucci even posted in = - I think it was - Guitar Player. I mean, the riff by itself is OK, but = it destroy 'Voices'. I think that they should have thought about that = part some more. Ashley, it is hard to tell you all which I have noticed = and thought out about the issue of Theater music. If you like, we could = write some more, if you specified further what interests you. I know = many people in Poland who do not want to give in to the musical shit = that surrounds them and find DT to be one of the last things which make = them combat in the world of sounds. If you like, you could write me at = my e-mail
or just post a message.
It is great to know that DT has become an inspiration for studies of = university importance.=20
Tom Potocki
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:07:59 -0400 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII MIDIS Message-ID: <34E0CFBF.E44831F5@caribe.net>
DOes anyone have FII midis made??????/
or transcriptions for FII keyboards????????? please email me privately!
--
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:55:27 -0500 From: David Edwards <bub@maine.rr.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Thought Industry Message-ID: <01BD364D.12556550.bub@maine.rr.com>
> > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:26:36 -0500 (EST) > From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> > Thought Industry, on the other hand, is not for the faint of heart. > They're completely unlike every other band I've ever heard, but the closest > comparison I could make would be to take most of the funk out of Primus > and replace it with the rap/metal of Korn and throw in alot of prog-style > time changes and key changes. Take all that and throw in a bad acid trip > and some AMAZING technical proficiency and you'll have a fair approximation. > Seriously, they're aggressively prog and very very heavy (but not death!). > It took me quite awhile to get used to the style, but I love it now. My advice > would be to start with Songs for Insects if you like heavy funk rap styles > like Korn or Incubus and start with Black Umbrella if you prefer lighter fare. > Be forewarned, it's very dark, demented, deep, and some other D words I can't > think of right now. Anyone familiar with them like to add to, confirm, or > correct any of this?
Well, I'll add my $.10 or so to this...
I would agree with most of this, except for the Korn/rap influences. I think there might be some confusion between Brent not really singing and Brent rapping. TI are among my favorite bands; one of the main reasons being that I saw them in concert where I was the only one in the audience of 3 that knew who they were, so I got my own personal show.
I'd rate the albums kinda like this:
Songs for Insects: considerably more acoustic guitar work than the other 3, but far more proggy. They were still working on figuring out what they wanted to sound like.
mOds carve the pigs: LOUD LOUD LOUD!! The first time I heard this I completely freaked out thinking they had completely changed where they were coming from, but this has become one of my favorites.
Outer Space Is Just A Martini Away: I think they got tired of never getting any airplay, so they started making some shorter songs, and some of them are catchy as hell. This was not a bad thing at all. This is my favorite of theirs. Their attempt at popularity failed miserably, but this album rocks. I'd pick this one first. Here's the All Music Guide's review...pretty much on IMO: AMG REVIEW: Thought Industry's Outer Space Is Just A Martini Away is an ambitious, progressive fusion of searing heavy metal, jazz chops, classical flourishes, and alternative attitude. Frequently, Thought Industry's executions aren't as intriguing as their concepts, but they have enough good moments to make the record a worthwhile listen to both metal and prog-rock fans.
Black Umbrella: Similar to Outer Space...has several good songs, but nothing stands out as much as the first three.
All of their albums are highly recommended if you like your prog with some fucked up poetry mixed in. I honestly can't think of anyone else who sounds like them though. Try some of Outer Space at a listening booth if you have the chance, I think you'll enjoy...
David
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