YTSEJAM Digest 3559
Today's Topics:
1) Make your own fretless.
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
2) HY single/LTE - UK release?
by "Andrew Moore" <a.s.moore@anglia.ac.uk>
3) Japanese tab books
by Calvin6S@aol.com
4) Eric Johnson TAB
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
5) Re: Orchestral Music
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
6) Re: weird shit
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
7) Someone Asked About Ozzy
by Eddie J Cooper <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
8) RE: www.dreamtheater.com
by "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com>
9) Re: Make your own fretless. (continued)
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike Marshall)
10) DTIFC '97 Disc (was: Re: www.dreamtheater.com)
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike Marshall)
11) AWESOME new prog band hitting the scene
by Rocky Dean <iban@abs.net>
12) www.dreamtheater.com, new Angra & Symphony X
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3558
by Htdmhd@aol.com
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3558
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:08:58 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Make your own fretless.
Message-ID: <l03130302b11053c677b8@[128.252.105.105]>
Hiya,
Havn't posted in a while but here goes.
I used to play on a Fender MB-5 five string bass, but when I bought
my Vantage Six string, my old 5 just lay around collectign dust. I mean
who wantes to use a four or five string bass after playing on a six?
After a while, I figured that I'd better do something to the 5 to
make it different so that I would use it. So I whipped out the ol' fret
puller, ripped those dudes out of there and spackled the gaps in with pink
Bondo (the bass was hot pink-I know, I know, no bad hair band jokes
please). It actually worked really well. Didn't warp the neck at all as I
was afraid of. It was also nice that the fretboard still had lines on it
from the bondo so that you could see what "fret" you were on. Made it much
easier to play. So if they guy who was looking for a cheap fretless has an
old bass he never uses any more you might consider a little Bondo. Worked
for me.
Also, has any five string players found it more usefull to replace
the low B string with a high C? I use my C string for melodic passages and
for chords all the time, but I rarely ever touch the low B, I have a great
amp but It still just sounds too muddy to be used very often. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Seth
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"Not gods, but with with power of gods. But lacking the wisdom."
-Alfred Montebank
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:38:24 -0000
From: "Andrew Moore" <a.s.moore@anglia.ac.uk>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: HY single/LTE - UK release?
Message-ID: <01bd3c50$f5648de0$4e2d53c2@btc-pc1.abs.anglia.ac.uk>
Hi
Anybody know if the HY single will be released in
the UK to coincide with the tour?
Also, anybody know if LTE will be released in the
UK, and if so, when?
Cheers,
Andy.
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Andrew Moore, IT Adviser, Anglia Business School,
Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge, UK
Tel: 01223 363771 ext. 2250/Pager: 04325 256651
http://www.anglia.ac.uk/~asmoore/
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:59:13 EST
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Japanese tab books
Message-ID: <71509fcc.34eab0f8@aol.com>
While I attended MI, I was so spoiled as far as the resources available to me.
Particularly, having friends from foreign countries with heaps of stuff I had
never seen before (and vice versa). Of note were my friends from Japan. They
would go home for Christmas and bring me back issues of Young Guitar and tab
books of Dream Theater (such as WDADU and others).
Now, I am going through withdrawals. Is there anyone out there who can help
me purchase the following books from Japan:
1 - Young Guitar subscription (this guitar mag makes American guitar magazines
look like Hit Parader and the like)
2 - TAB books of:
a - Yngwie Malmsteen's Seventh Sign
b - Dream Theater - FII and ACOS
c - Tony MacAlpine during the Maximum Security era
d - Jason Becker - Perpetual Burn
I know all of these exists because I see them in the Young Guitar magazines I
pickup, but I can't order them (I've entertained the thought of learning to
read Japanese, which I have to some degree by repetition and association).
I don't know what I can offer other than money, but I hope there is someone
out there who can help.
Thanks - calvin6s@aol.com
Oh yeah, mp3 is king. No more Real Audio. It's like the difference between a
phonograph playing through TV speakers and a DVD through Dolby Digital!
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:03:19 +1100
From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eric Johnson TAB
Message-ID: <l03020901b1106f43b281@[131.217.133.98]>
>Subject: Some tab books
>Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980217114418.64108A-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
>
>
> Does anybody know if there are tab books for the following records??:
>Jason Becker: Perpetual Burn
>Any Cacophony stuff
>Any Eric Johnson album
As far as I know, there's no TAB books for either Jason Becker or
Cacophony, in fact I've never seen a Shrapnel release as a TAB book.
Eric Johnson, though.......... there are numerous books, there is one book
which has most of Ah Via Musicom and a few songs from Tones, and I think
there is a book for all of Ah Via Musicom as well. There's also a sort of
big interview/lesson book on Eric Johnson that Wolf Marshall did which
kicks ass, coz through this, I learnt most of Cliffs of Dover the CORRECT
way, as opposed to the SHIT transcription in the afore-mentioned TAB book
of songs from both the first two CDs.
As for 'Venus Isle'? Damn, I haven't even heard the bloody thing yet
(*sob*), let alone seen a TAB book.
Everyone buy the new Blood Duster CD, 'str8 outta northote'. If you like
grindcore sorta stuff, that is. I saw this band twice last week, and they
truly ruled. Awesome stuff. Now I see Whigfield on Sunday. :-)
Seeya!
Chirs Groves.
cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
"And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye....."
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:46:04 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Orchestral Music
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980218092914.27342B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Jon Kretschmer wrote:
> >From: Rogerio Brito
>
> > And just when I thought that Gentle Giant were the pinnacle of
> >weird music, I listen to some contemporary "Classical" music composers.
>
> The stuff you listed isnt really classical, cuz it wasnt written in that
> period or in that style. I like to call music written for symphony
That's because I wrote contemporary and put classical between
quotes. But I know that this is informative and some people may not know
of this and this is the reason why I'm leaving this part of your post here
again (increases the chance of it being read, you know).
> > If you want fucking weird shit, go listen to:
> > * Igor Stravinsky's "Le Sacre du Printemps"
>
> The Rite of Spring? Weird Shit? No way man. Ill admit its pretty far out
> there, but its also genius, beyond that of any rock band music anywhere,
> including DT. DT is pretty incredible, but you cant compare it to a guy
> who makes you SEE pagan rituals and sacrifices through a symphony orchestra.
You know, I shouldn't really have included Stravinsky's because
this one is one of the most "conservative" pieces from that list (and that
was the reason why I wrote that it was not as weird as the previous things
on the parenthesis on the original post).
And the comparison I made with DT was that DT was "commercial",
comparing what they composed with "The Rite of Spring".
> By calling those works weird, youll probably scare people away from what
> they might really enjoy. Thats my only beef about your post.
It's interesting to know that people would actually run away from
weird shit. I always seek for the weirdest shit that I can see/listen (and
Jon Parmet may confirm this for you :-) ) and thought that people could
also think "hey, if this is different, then I'll try it". I, by no means,
interpret weird as a pejorative comment.
But I understand that people fear the unknown. :-(
> Jon
[]s not complaining about "weird" things, Roger...
P.S.: I'll think twice the next time before calling something weird,
because I may offend some people, it seems.
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:52:25 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: weird shit Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980218094619.27342C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Ernesto Schnack wrote:
> >From: Rogerio Brito > > > > If you want fucking weird shit, go listen to: > > > > * Anton Webern's "5 Orchesterstucke Op. 10"; > > * Olivier Messiaen's "Cinq Rechants"; > > * Pierre Boulez's "Notations"; > > * Igor Stravinsky's "Le Sacre du Printemps" (not as weird as > > those listed before, but still interesting). > > hehe, you think that's weird? Go listen to Zappa's "The Yellow Shark" > or "The Adventures of Gregary Peccary" off of Lather.
Well, first of all, nice that you're still on this list. :-)
Second, while I don't think that Stravinsky's is very weird as the ones listed before, it still merits from being listed in a list of, say, "not-normal" things. :-)
Third, thank you for the recommendations. I'll sure look forward to hearing those pieces. I'm always looking for some weird shit and the only thing I know that Zappa has composed wasn't that weird, but still very motivating to look for more of his compositions. :-)
> Ern
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:48:11 -0000 From: Eddie J Cooper <eddie@abacus.co.uk> To: "'Desmond Child Fan Club'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Someone Asked About Ozzy Message-ID: <01BD3C73.DBA26300.eddie@abacus.co.uk>
Couldn't find anything on the main Sony Ozzy Page, but this page: http://clear.lakes.com/~guitar/framess.htm
..gives the cool news that Ozzy's band is back to Zakk, Randy & Mike... should be worth seeing again then...
Laterz Eddie };-)~
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 09:20:28 EST From: "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: www.dreamtheater.com Message-ID: <9802181420.AA21231@us7rmc.bb.dec.com>
>On the Eve of Destruction, "Joshua B. Wingell" said: >> >>Check out: >>http://www.dreamtheater.com:80/dreamth/dreamtheater/company_info/company_page02.ht ml > >Man, some people have the balls to smoke PCP laced crack and then post to >the ytsejam without reading the FAQ...
It is definitely in the FAQ that "Dream Theater" is taken from an actual theater. Guess it didn't occur to me.
I really meant it as a joke. The same trademark can be used for 2 organizations so long as they are in separate businesses. One could argue, however, that both Dream Theaters are in the media creation business. What would happen if OFB decided to pull an "I Mother Earth" and put graphics on their next CD?
That is a strictly nitpicking argument, but I bet a lawyer for Time Warner could successfully argue it in court.
>even though it may not be in the FAQ...
Oh, so you didn't read the FAQ from byte 0 to EOF before you posted? Shame on you. ;-)
Btw, I just got my I&W and Christmas CD in the mail! Neil, thank you! I haven't listened to the whole CD yet, but I already have a stupid observation to make. Doug Pinnick has an *incredible* voice! :-)
Josh
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:04:27 -0600 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Make your own fretless. (continued) Message-ID: <19980218.090431.11390.1.marshallm@juno.com>
I may be way off bass here...
On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:21:19 -0800 (PST) Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> writes:
> I used to play on a Fender MB-5 five string bass, but when I bought >my Vantage Six string, my old 5 just lay around collectign dust. I mean >who wantes to use a four or five string bass after playing on a six?
I went through the same thing when I first got my 5. I was enthralled with my new bass, and every time I went back to a 4, I felt as if someone had cut off one of my fingers. Although I quickly learned that playing dropped-D songs on a 4 tuned dropped-D beats the hell out of re-learning it on a 5.
But, when playing original music that didn't require a 5, I decided to try to use a 4 more often, just to save wear-and-tear on my only 5. Then, after watching our guitarist try some new material, I started using my thumb for fretting on the E. I started working this in to some material that didn't require a 5. That pretty much ruled out playing that stuff with a 5, just 'cause I can't reach around the B with my thumb.
For me, the 4 and 5 have their respective places.
> After a while, I figured that I'd better do something to the 5 to >make it different so that I would use it. So I whipped out the ol' fret >puller, ripped those dudes out of there and spackled the gaps in with
Didn't Jaco do this to his main bass? Or did he just have the frets filed down?
>was afraid of. It was also nice that the fretboard still had lines on it >from the bondo so that you could see what "fret" you were on. Made it much >easier to play. So if they guy who was looking for a cheap fretless
Agreed 100%. Even if you've got good fingerwork on a fretted bass, make your first fretless purchase one with fret marker inlays. After you've played that way for a while (a long while), then try out an un-marked bass. It's pretty difficult, until your feel around the neck and your intonation are excellent.
> Also, has any five string players found it more usefull to replace >the low B string with a high C? I use my C string for melodic passages and >for chords all the time, but I rarely ever touch the low B, I have a great >amp but It still just sounds too muddy to be used very often. Any thoughts?
I know what you mean. Whether you really make use of the B depends on what style of music you play, what the guitartist (or keyboardist) plays, and what your role is for the bass. For bass soloing and lead lines the C is an advantage. I've even been to music stores, picked up a 5, and found it was tuned with a C on top rather than a B on the bottom end.
All the variations have their place (with the 6 being perhaps the most versatile), but it really depends on your playing style and the style of music you play.
M.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:14:16 -0600 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DTIFC '97 Disc (was: Re: www.dreamtheater.com) Message-ID: <19980218.091420.11390.2.marshallm@juno.com>
On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:43:42 -0800 (PST) "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com> writes:
>Btw, I just got my I&W and Christmas CD in the mail! Neil, thank you!
I got mine yesterday also. For those still waiting for theirs: I sent my dues in 11/15/97. I received the disc and newsletter 2/17/98. I live in BFE southwest Indiana. That should give you an idea where your disc might be.
>I haven't listened to the whole CD yet, but I already have a stupid >observation to make. Doug Pinnick has an *incredible* voice! :-)
Man, I don't think it's a stupid observation. I agree completely! While some people on the list don't care for Doug's voice, my opinion is that he is fantastic, and really adds something to LitS.
Does anyone else thing the latter half of track six is utterly hilarious?
"I've got one question: It is Fabio or Flavio?"
ROTFLMAO!
M.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:53:47 -0500 From: Rocky Dean <iban@abs.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AWESOME new prog band hitting the scene Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980218155347.007113e0@pop.abs.net>
my new prog band, "Dolby Digital Multiplex" will be hitting the scene soon! with our signature song "amenic rewot"
keep an eye out!
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:59:14 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: www.dreamtheater.com, new Angra & Symphony X Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980218104956.12018A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Josh remarked (about www.dreamtheater.com) > Man, these guys have some balls taking on the name of a signed band. I > don't think that a company would try to call themselves "VanHalen" or > "Megadeth". One would think that they would have at least done a > web search based on the name.
Here's what Internic has to say about that domain name:
======================== Dream Theater, Inc. (DREAMTHEATER-DOM)
[address removed]
Domain Name: DREAMTHEATER.COM
Administrative Contact: Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Billing Contact:
[all deleted for fear of death threats from crazed ytsejammers]
Record last updated on 09-May-97. Record created on 24-Aug-95. Database last updated on 18-Feb-98 04:04:33 EST. =========================
This business's NAME is Dream Theater Inc. and they registered the domain name first, back in 1995. Live with it. (No, I don't like it much either, but that's the way it goes).
Now for something a bit more pleasant. Bernd Basmer had this to say about Angra's new album: > I can only tell you that they will be in studio from 15 March 'til > 15 May or so. Andre told me that they will be recording in the > USA.
Great, Bernd. Now what can you tell us about the new Superior disc? :) :)
Also, Ken Golden at Laser's Edge remarked that Symphony X's new disc will be released in Germany on March 25th. Presumably he'll be able to get hold of it then.
Ta, Phil
===================================================================== Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Tears for Fears -- "Tears Roll Down (Greatest Hits)"
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:54:02 EST From: Htdmhd@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3558 Message-ID: <27682c3b.34eb122d@aol.com>
Does anyone out there have the fix'96 show on disc (double-whole show) from the Strand in Providence, R.I.??? (I live in Warwick, R.I.) The date on that is 12/12. In other ndtc, the rumor going around is that Union (Bruce Kulick, John Corabi) will be opening for VH. Also, did anyone hear "Rockline" on Mon. (the portion of the show w/Rob Halford)? The caller from R.I. was me. I'm looking for a copy of the song "Christmas Ride" by Fight on CD. It was a radio- only promo released in ' 95. Also, if anyone has the e-mail address for Sony/Epic (NOT the website), please let me know; I've been having problems lately getting on the web. Thanx.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:59:34 -0500 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3558 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980218115934.00721e40@pop.wam.umd.edu>
> Agency has also announced that they will put: > DEEP PURPLE > TED NUGENT > &DREAM THEATER! > on the road in August!!!!!!!!!
Mildly related...from The Onion (http://www.theonion.com), the best and most informative goddamned newspaper in the galazy.
>> NEW TED NUGENT COLOGNE TESTED ON 'EVERY GODDAMN ANIMAL WE COULD FIND' ALPENA, MI--Ted Nugent held a press conference Monday to unveil his new signature fragrance "Heartland," which the veteran rocker touted as the most extensively tested cologne in history. "We tested that sumbitch on ferrets, weasels, deer, elk, squirrels, bison, trout, crickets, gibbons, iguanas, donkeys, capybaras, koalas, hyenas, penguins, woodpeckers--every goddamn animal we could find," Nugent said. "And, just to be extra-certain it was safe for consumer use, we injected it into a kitten's bloodstream, sprayed it on otters with open wounds that we inflicted, and forced cows to drink it through their nose. We also squirted it in a duck's eyes. Then we ran out of cologne and just started punching the duck." The cologne, now available in stores, features an ivory bottle stopper and comes in a genuine tiger-skin pouch. >>
Brian "Cat Scratch Fever" Henderson
=========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ ===========================
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