YTSEJAM Digest 3561
Today's Topics:
1) Lines in the fretboard
by "C. Montgomery Burns" <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
2) "Classical" thread, LiTS
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
3) ECHOLYN CD $9.95 @ musicblvd!!!!!!
by "randy shewey" <randyshewey@email.msn.com>
4) Re: Fan Club Package
by YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
5) DT TO TOUR AUSTRALIA
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
6) Re: VH
by "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
7) Re: Eric Johnson TAB
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) NDTC, Some pers-anal notes. :)
by "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
9) Harry Carey; SPINNING YEARS
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
10) Re: Fretless
by Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
11) Prism Records under attack!
by Michael and Melissa Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) LFAGA, LTL, Scarred
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
13) Festival in Bourges (latest lineup news!)
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
14) Re: DT Fan Club stuff!
by "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com>
15) Re: Prism Records under attack!
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
16) New Satriani
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
17) very sad day for baseball
by Thrak75@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:08:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Montgomery Burns" <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lines in the fretboard
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.980219020441.964703B-100000@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
Didn't mean to make the DT reference above....I have played bass for some
time now and I began to play on a fretless two years ago. I find it much
more pleasing. I am not a fan of lines in the fretboard. I guess since
my first was without lines I am quite partial. I think the lines get in
the way and slow down my playing. That's my 2 cents. Thanks guys.
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Matthew G. Nedell
0_mnedell@fair1.fairfield.edu
1-203-256-6222
"If it's not in 2.35, I'm not watching it."
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:18:11 -0600
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Classical" thread, LiTS
Message-ID: <34EBDCB3.6551@auburn.net>
> >> If you want fucking weird shit, go listen to:
> >> * Igor Stravinsky's "Le Sacre du Printemps"
> >
> If you think THAT'S weird, listen to some Schoenberg. ANYTHING he wrote
> would make The Rite of Spring comparable to Happy Birthday. Serious.
Agreed. But the only appreciation I ever had for Schoenberg was when I
analyzed his stuff and discovered all of the nice mathematical
relationships in there. When I listened to it (as an example,
"Variations for Orchestra") I didn't get a feeling of musical
satisfaction that I get from Stravinsky and his ilk :)
> >And another thing is for sure; they sure kick the shit out of
> >Mozart...hahaha May have been a boy wonder, but he did write some
> pretty
> >BORING music : )
>
> No one, but no one, could be more boring than Vivaldi or Corelli. The
> Four Seasons? What did anyone ever see in that? :-)
Maybe there's a clue there as to why many people seem to dislike "Anna
Lee." They prefer dissonance to consonance. While the Baroque composers
aren't my favorites, they did achieve perfection within the confines of
what they were "allowed" to do. Mozart - he breathed new life into the
Italian opera scene, which had become just as stale and formulaic as
country music (or is it "Rural Contemporary"?) has become today, and
that's just one aspect of his enormous output during his short life.
I'll admit, I didn't have much of an appreciation for Mozart, Bach,
etc., before I studied music history for a year under Howard Goldstein
here at Auburn. Now, though, he and Beethoven rank right up there with
Stravinsky, Ravel, Mussorgsky, and R. Strauss in my mind.
The composer that, to me, was farthest ahead of his time, though, was
Carlo Gesualdo. He lived from 1561 to 1613, and his music contained some
vertical harmonic elements that weren't commonplace for 250 years.
Definitely worth checking out to anyone that likes their dissonance but
doesn't like Renaissance music.
On another note, I got a tape of the 1/2/98 Hartford DT show today. When
I saw them in Atlanta, they opened the show with Lines in the Sand, but
they played it about 20 beats per minute too slowly. On this tape,
though, the tempo is full on and kicking ass. Did anyone else notice
tempo problems on the latest tour?
Take care all, and RIP Harry Caray,
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:35:40 -0500
From: "randy shewey" <randyshewey@email.msn.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ECHOLYN CD $9.95 @ musicblvd!!!!!!
Message-ID: <064a91430071328UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com>
Yes kiddies you heard right, just ordered Echolyn As The World,
Amorphis,Dave Weckl, Tempest to name a few, and just confirmed that the
order was shipped... They have 25,000 different titles on sale @9.95 order
3 and get free shipping. :~) Happy hunting!
Randy Shewey
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:42:24 -0500
From: YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fan Club Package
Message-ID: <34EBE260.83F21DE@DreamT.org>
D-man wrote:
> I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly, the signed pic is part of the
> starter kit, and not a yearly thing.
Yeah, but i think the reader (as did i) recieved the starter kit WITH their
Xmas CD. The pic that came with my kit was not signed either.
I would like to know what happened also.....
Did this happen to anyone else? did someone recieve a signed pic
with their Xmas CD?
~YtseJim
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:46:02 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>, nigelb@powerup.com.au, dkoo@tig.com.au
Subject: DT TO TOUR AUSTRALIA
Message-ID: <34EBE339.7801C119@sydney.net>
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !
Okay I have heard from a very good source that DT will be in Australia
around April/May. Apparently DT's Aussie record label Warners have
confirmed that the tour is happening, though no exact dates are
know/booked yet.
This is ALL I know at the moment, as soon as I know more you will too.
graham
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:45:23 +0000
From: "subtlerage" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: VH
Message-ID: <199802190745.XAA05788@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
> Just heard the new Van Halen single, "Without You", with Gary Cherone
> (ex-Extreme singer) - it pretty much rocks, but I get the feeling that
> Gary's trying a teensy bit too hard to sound like Sammy...
> Still, pretty good song. :)
am i the only one that thinks the production/mix is absolutely horrid on this
song? the vocals are way too quiet (especially the backing vox), the bass is
non-existent... and Cherone sounds like he has the enunciation (sp?) of a
drunk Iowan that got run down by a tractor.
uh, or something.
oh well. and to think, i was actually looking forward to the new material...
damn suckholes.
-me
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:02:00 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Eric Johnson TAB
Message-ID: <01bd3d0c$a82152e0$1f0d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
>As for 'Venus Isle'? Damn, I haven't even heard the bloody thing yet
>(*sob*), let alone seen a TAB book.
Venus Isle's out there. I got it. Nothing like learning to play Pavillion
(or at least as much as I can. I'm a bloody shitty guitar soloist. heheh.)
> Hi.. i jost got alien love secrets from vai.. is this album suppossed
>to be an EP or something?? Why is it so damn short????
Because it's an EP or something.
YA YO GAKK!
--KorgX3
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Date: 19 Feb 98 10:30:30 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC, Some pers-anal notes. :)
Message-ID: <0021681F080000010103EB875F042E@mail.logisware.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Just a couple of personal notes for various jammers...
- Nick Giannotti a.k.a. Tempus, email me!
- Luca Benni, your tapes are readying, slow but steady.
You WILL be pleasantly surprised.
- Nigel Bridgeman, the mailing address? Your CDR is growing things... :)
Sorry to do this on the 'jam but I couldn't think of any other way.
Next time, something more useful. :)
_Mape_
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:32:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Harry Carey; SPINNING YEARS
Message-ID: <199802190832.AA10585@crl5.crl.com>
Man, that sucks -- and Harry passed away the same day the baseball
teams report to spring training camp full-squad. *sigh*
Harry's son Skip is a longtime announcer for the Braves here, and
-his- son, Harry's grandson, does TV announcing for the Bravos. I'm
saddened for the whole family; although not an unexpected loss, it's
still tragic. Quite talented, too; there's no question at all that
part of the Braves' success has been their outstanding announcing
crew.
/me sings "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" -- and I'll be at a few
Braves Games this year, too.
SPINNING YEARS is quite impressive. I've got some of the material
like DoE, already, but I'll still be listening for quite a while.
Lots to explore. Now I need better computer speakers. :)
-- Paul W. Cashman ICQ #4151223 | Better the pride that resides vanyel@crl.com | In a Citizen of the World www.crl.com/~vanyel | Than the pride that divides lyrics by Neil Peart ----------> When a colorful rag is unfurled------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:04:36 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fretless Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980219100436.007c92a0@mail.netcologne.de>
.. Christian ... >First, the fingerboard material on a fretless is perhaps what plays the >biggest role in tone. I've been toying with the idea of getting a fretless >so I've been studying the subject a bit. The harder the material on the >fretless, the more "singing" the tone gets. Composite materials such as >found on Zon and Modulus basses are perfect for that, and ebony would be the >best wood choice. Those materials make the notes go "poooaaaahhh" - if
You can influence the "mwah"-factor also by the amount of pressure excercised by your fingertips, also try experimenting using the bony top as against the more fleshy side of the fingertip.
>The only problem is, ebony and composite fingerboards are only found in >top-of the line basses. The only cheap fretless that I've seen that had what >seemed to be an ebony fingerboard (you never know, I've *seen* rosewood >fingerboards been painted black to fool people, this is more common than >we'd think) was a Yamaha. It sounded pretty good, so that would be my choice
A good ebony fingerboard is dead black and has such a dense grain structure that you hardly are able to see it. Note that I am speaking of Gaboon Ebony (Dalbergia Melanoxylon) from Africa here. There also is Maccassar Ebony (Diospyros Celebica), also called striped ebony for obvious reasons ;-), from Oceania and South East Asia, which also is an excellent choice.
>if I was on a budget (here in Tampa, FL it was costing less than 300 bux). >Another good option could be a Carvin - you can order a bolt-on 4-string >fretless for 469 dollars, and a neck-thru fretless for 579 dollars (in the >US). Of course, buying a Carvin can only be made through mail and you won't >be able to play the bass until you actually own it (there's a money back >guarantee but still). Plus, all those nice options they have sure would make >my price tab go up a bit.
Carvin also has a few showrooms...
BTW, I have to add to my last post that in the meantime they use different standard woods (alder instead of poplar, but you also can have mahogany or koa -- the blossoming tonal characteristics of which probably is a nice choice for a fretless :-) not to speak of its gorgeous look... :-)) and a massive Hipshot bridge instead of the lighter Wilkinson.
>As for Yamaha, I do think that since they opened up their so-called >"state-of-the-art facility" in Taiwan, they've been putting out some really >good stuff, including some guitars that you buy for under 300 bux and sound >as good or better than some 1000 dollar american-made guitars. > >Oh, check out Dean basses too. I've played some here at a music store and >they're cheap (around 300-400 dollars) and sound and play NICE. The fretless >had a rosewood fingerboard but I liked it anyway.
Rosewood can be an excellent choice b/c of its less linear freqency response -- if this is what you like. If you go w/ Pau Ferro you also have less of the rosewood-typical treble roll-off.
Best,
heike
There are only persons. Selves are grammatical fictions, necessary characteristics of person-oriented discourses.
(Harre 1998: 3f)
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:47:44 -0700 From: Michael and Melissa Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prism Records under attack! Message-ID: <34EBFFC0.6F45@goodnet.com>
I received an extortion threat from the following person:
mookie222@writeme.com (that's right, the pussy hides behind an anon e-mail address)
9912 E. Magnolia Mesa, AZ 85206
He/she/it basically demanded free copies of everything I've ever made, or they will contact the authorities, including making sure the authorities found out all the names and addresses of my customers (though I already take steps to prevent this) and made it clear that the extortion threat applied to anything I make from now on in. Furthermore, it demanded a "public apology" on the Jam for my having delays in shipments. Basically they're just jerking off here, but it shows you the character of this joker.
I'm likely to pay it a personal visit in the near future, since I have extensive maps of the City of Mesa and I know EXACTLY where this dwelling is (locals: take US 60 east and exit at Crismon Road -this is way out east, east of Power Rd even- and take a left, so that you're heading north. Go north past Southern, Broadway, Main/Apache Trail, and University, and make a left on Magnolia. If you hit Adobe or Brown, you've gone too far. Crismon Rd itself is 10000 East, so 9912 east isn't too far down the road. It ain't the better part of town.)
I'm not condoning illegal retribution, but anything that might happen to this guy as a result of loyalty from my friends here on the Jam, be it a harmless emailbombing or something more inconvenient, would just be a wonderful exercise in poetic justice.
The authorities are already involved in the matter, especially since two members of Prism/Crystalline happen to be Mesa police motor officers. Ah, nepotism. :) And just so this moron knows, I DO have video surveillance on my dwelling 24/7 (always have, paranoia dont ya know) so steer clear of anything below the belt.
I might let Olaf get away with his demands, since he's in Germany and I don't want an international problem, but make no mistake, this sort of thing will NOT go unpunished, and I welcome any help to see to it that this principle is enforced in full.
My suspicion is that this is a kid. Should that suspicion be founded, my 17-year-old brother in law (Joey, the bodybuilder) will be called upon to set affairs right.
Sorry for using up the bandwidth. Good day, all. -- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:04:06 +1030 From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LFAGA, LTL, Scarred Message-ID: <199802191131.WAA25288@goliath.camtech.com.au>
I just realised that a comment I made before was slightly incorrect. I said that the intro and ending riff of LFAGA (WDADU) was very similar to a riff in LTL. I've just found that it's even more similar to the end of Scarred (Awake). I think the LFAGA riff has the same time signature as the LTL riff and starts on the same chord, but progresses through sounding much more like the Scarred ending. Just a thought anyway.
As for the fretless issue, I've got a great idea - make a fretless electric by ripping the frets off an autographed JPM100... ;-)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "Still awake, I continue to move along, Cultivating my own nonsense" - DT ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:19:08 +0100 (MET) From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Festival in Bourges (latest lineup news!) Message-ID: <m0y5Wof-0003ywC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Hi!
More about the festival "Le Printemps de Bourges" which will take place april 15th to 19th in Bourges, France, 150 km south of Paris: It's a music festival which takes place every year and consists of a lot of concerts and events in different halls (the biggest ones hold 6500, 3600 and 2400 people), last year there were more than 80,000 visitors! The concert of interest for us (besides the big Techno night, of course) is on friday the 27th and features the following bands:
Royal Hunt Vanden Plas Angra Dream Theater
Not bad, don't you think? :-) :-) :-)
Probably/hopefully I'll be there, and maybe I'll also be at the concert of The Gathering in Paris one day later and the DT show one day before in Strasbourg. :-)
The official schedule of the festival will be announced on march 10th, so then we will know more about the exact location, tickets etc...
Anybody else planning to attend the festival?
Take care,
Ties
-- The Web Thing - Vanden Plas Internet Site: http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/vp/vp.html
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 09:41:17 EST From: "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Fan Club stuff! Message-ID: <9802191441.AA22872@us7rmc.bb.dec.com>
>> I also have one question: Did anybody receive a signed pic? I thought >> they were gonna be signed, but mine wasn't. Oh well.... no biggie. > >I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly, the signed pic is part of the >starter kit, and not a yearly thing. >-d
I just joined the fanclub. I just got the fanclub stuff in the mail, including the CD. The picture I got (I would assume it is part of my starter kit) isn't signed, either.
Josh
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:50:27 -0500 (EST) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prism Records under attack! Message-ID: <01ITRCFRPL368WXCN4@alma.edu>
> I'm likely to pay it a personal visit in the near future, since I have >extensive maps of the City of Mesa and I know EXACTLY where this >dwelling is
Damn, your so cool, Mike Bahr.
> The authorities are already involved in the matter, especially since >two members of Prism/Crystalline happen to be Mesa police motor >officers. Ah, nepotism. :)
Damn, you're so cool, Mike Bahr. "I own the police."
> And just so this moron knows, I DO have video >surveillance on my dwelling 24/7 (always have, paranoia dont ya know) so >steer clear of anything below the belt.
Wow, Mike Bahr is so cool.
> Should that suspicion be founded, >my 17-year-old brother in law (Joey, the bodybuilder) will be called >upon to set affairs right.
Damn, you're so.... Oh wait, I'm not in fucking high school anymore, am I? I guess you're not cool. I guess you're a fucking idiot. I live in Michigan; if you want to send Joey I can send you the exact address... you know, justice and all.
> Sorry for using up the bandwidth. Good day, all.
Hey, no problem. 'Cause you're so cool, Mike Bahr, that everyone wants to hear about how you're going to kick this little punk's ass. Or maybe you should just recruit him for Prism records; it sounds to me like he's your kind of guy... you know, start a little underground crime ring in your home town. Please, please, please keep us updated on this gripping saga of criminal vs. criminal. I have to go pump some iron now, so I can be ready when your cool 17-year-old bodybuilder/brother-in-law/private thug Joey shows up so I can be as cool as him. And you. Good day. -Clark
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Satriani Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980219102704.19914E-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I don't know if this was on here, but I haven't seen it...
Joe Satriani's new album, "Crystal Planet," will be available on March 3rd...........
-Al
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:40:50 EST From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: very sad day for baseball Message-ID: <e58d852.34ec5284@aol.com>
wow. harry caray's gone, too. first it was falco, then a beach boy, then the slaughter guy, and now harry. something about those old-school baseball announcers (i.e., mel allen, the scooter).
koba, wild.
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"i'm the monster you created in your daddy's name." -j. petrucci ************************************************************************
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