YTSEJAM digest 3446

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Mon Jan 12 1998 - 18:17:21 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) EVE
     by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
     by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
      3) Re: Selling out like a ho
     by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
     by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
      5) kevin moore back with DT???
     by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
      6) Re: DT-Like Music
     by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
      7) Re: DS Trinity model
     by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
      8) settling this "selling out" business / nature of booting
     by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
      9) Re: flotsam and jetsam
     by "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com>
     10) Re: Lemur Voice
     by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
     11) Kevin back?
     by GnRBrks <GnRBrks@aol.com>
     12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3444
     by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
     13) joints/selling out
     by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
     14) replies
     by surely@45150.com (Kevin Surely)
     15) Re: pictures and james lights one up....no, really
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
     16) What, exactly, is a Trinity?
     by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
     17) the difference in trinity models
     by larryd@boca.net (Larry Doe)
     18) FortuneFameMirrorVainGoneInsaneTheMemoryRemains (fwd)
     by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:42:39 -0700
    From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: EVE
    Message-ID: <000c01bd1f9a$b8a6b680$472746cf@sir.micron.net>

    Well it's looking like the page isn't working exactly as planned, but don=
    't
    fret! You guys have to hear this wicked rendition of Eve whether you wan=
    t
    to or not ;) Just bookmark http://www.cyberhighway.net/~washburn and try
    back every hour or so (hehehe actually just try this evening or maybe
    tomorrow). Even if it isn't up you can go there to get the cool info abou=
    t
    the song so you'll want to hear it more. But remember folks, listen to t=
    he
    keyboards, not the guitars. hehehe

    It rolls down stairs
    It comes not in pairs
    Runs over your neighbor's foot.
    It's great for a snack
    And fits on your back
    It's woot! woot! woot!

    woot=99 from Blammo!=AE

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:53:11 EST
    From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
    Message-ID: <ee1f2d4a.34ba82b8@aol.com>

    In a message dated 98-01-12 15:51:03 EST, you write:

    << If it actually was Kevin, and if the only reason he wants back in is money,
    I
     don't want him!
     
     Art
    >>
     what are you talking about? is kevin moore is returning to DT?

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:01:34 -0500 (EST)
    From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Selling out like a ho
    Message-ID: <199801122101.QAA18762@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>

    Brian "Wacky" Wherry said:

    >> I think you can. If a hooker stands on the corner trying to sell
    >> herself, and no one picks her up, she is still a sellout.

    >Maybe she's just really unattractive. Take that little ho in Total
    >Recall, for instance (that's right, the one with the three-tittied
    >friend). Not many customers are likely to pick her up, but that doesn't
    >make her a sellout. It just means that most dudes don't like little hoes.

    >See what I'm sayin'? :)

    Actually, the ho is a sell-out if the three-tittied ho is getting all
    of the business and some other chick gets Desmond Child to sugically
    add a third titty to her chest to get more attention!

    That was strictly humour and in no way do I mean that DT is a sell-out!

    Greg,
    Toronto.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:04:48 -0500 (EST)
    From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
    Message-ID: <199801122104.QAA19026@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>

    > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:38:39 +0000
    > From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
    > To: Just Let Me Bhong <ytsejam@ax.com>
    > Subject: Bone in my mouth, size of a boulder :)

    Now that is funny! Love that mail alias! Uh-oh...do I smell
    another parody coming on. Maybe Bahr would like to try again
    with something a bit more tasteful!

    Greg,
    Toronto.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:59:55 EST
    From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: kevin moore back with DT???
    Message-ID: <303264cc.34ba844c@aol.com>

    In a message dated 98-01-12 15:51:03 EST, you write:

    << << I met Kevin on saturday around noon (local time mid-europe) on the
    Ytsejam
      channel. He mentioned he might be back with DT 'when the money is right'
      and he also said 'Derek won't last too long.'
      
      When I asked back: 'kidding or not?' he replied 'seriousely'!!!!!!!
    >>
    >>
    mabye he was just messing with you mabye he does want more money but either
    way he was right when he said derek ( most likely ) won't last long. he cannot
    write and he's not as good as kevin no wait i take that back mabye he is as
    good mabye even better but the problem is you can hardly ever hear him.
    sometimes i even forget he's in DT, so any way i hope that kevin does get in
    with DT i think he's very talented. not that i'm saying derek is bad or
    anything i just prefer kevin. but that dosen't mean i don't like dreamtheater
    for who they are with or with out kevin i lke them i just think kevin is a
    very good addition.

    Angellaa

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:04:59 +1000
    From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: DT-Like Music
    Message-ID: <34BA857B.3E359C59@sydney.net>

    Todd O. Klindt wrote:
    >
    > I think the most Images and Words-sounding disk I've heard is
    > Mayadome-Paranormal Activity. This thing fucking rocks! The vocalist
    > is aweful (that however is NOT like I&W) but the music is dead on.
    > Especially the keyboards and drums. If you haven't picked this up, and
    > you like I&W, I'd do it. If anyone is interested in MP3s from it, let
    > me know. I'll put a couple on a web site.

    My question is why would you want something that sounds that much like
    I&W ? I can't stand DT wanna be clones like Ivanhoe and the many others.
    After all non of them will ever be better than the original ?

    graham

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:09:11 -0500 (EST)
    From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: DS Trinity model
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980112160451.17464A-100000@rac1.wam.umd.edu>

    >What the hell is the difference between all trinity models, the regular,
    >plus, pro or xpro?

    Trinity: the base model. 61-keys, no AC, no leather, no alarm system, no
    alloy wheels, no floormats.

    Trinity plus: adds the Prophecy board

    Trinity pro: 76-key version of the plus <- Derek's

    Trinity proX: 88-key weighted action version of the pro (although one
    wonders whether having a solo synth hooked up to a weighted controller
    is such a great idea).

    For more info, try http://www.korg.com/trinity2.htm

    - il

    No bass, no peace /\
    Know bass, know peace /\/ \ /\ /\
    -- /\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\ /
                                               /\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ / \/
                                                 / ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. ..\.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:09:00 -0500
    From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: settling this "selling out" business / nature of booting
    Message-ID: <199801122104.QAA28726@bertelsmanncis.com>

    from mr. ptacek:
    >You can't sell out if you can't sell. That's just the
    >way it works, dude.

    survey says--nope. sorry, have to call you on this one. anyone who
    equates the term "selling out" to dollars and cents is taking the term
    far too literally. when one is said to have "sold out," what is being
    referred to is the selling of integrity, of pride. that simple. for
    those who believe metallica sold out, they believe that metallica went
    entirely against everything they had previously stood for, in terms of
    never compromising with their music, or with its presentation. a result
    was greater record sales, true, but that's only secondary.

    in the rap community, mc hammer's sales plummeted several years back
    when he was widely accused of "selling out." the sales are
    irrelevant--he sold out in that he betrayed things he claimed to stand
    for (with the black community).

    ok, about boots. now, as chris is getting slammed for critiquing mike
    bahr's business practices (something i have no familiarity with, so no
    comment on), i am reminded of a few jams ago, about "When Dream And
    James Unite." someone had said that it wasn't too cool, taking mike
    bahr's boot and just making a copy of it. i wonder: why? isn't it
    exactly what botlegging is, taking another person's work and selling it
    to make a profit? i don't want to start a holy war about bootlegging
    here, and i don't really have any passion for or against it... just
    wondering....

     --MATt

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:13:30 -0500
    From: "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: flotsam and jetsam
    Message-ID: <001b01bd1f9e$ef2f7300$61c229cf@default>

    It's 1998, and Flotsam has long since left MCA and returned to Metal Blade.

    If you want to hear what they sound like minus a meddling label, check out
    their latest release (1997), High.

    Killer classic Metal album, and more in the mold of their older stuff than
    the last couple on MCA. Not progressive in the least, but if you like Heavy
    Metal by definition, it's definitely one you'll wan to give a listen.

    I have a couple of sound samples at
    http://heavymetal.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa112297.htm.

    Matt
    Heavy Metal at The Mining Company
    http://heavymetal.miningco.com
    heavymetal.guide@miningco.com

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:31:05 -0800
    From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Lemur Voice
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980112133105.006dba14@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>

    Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> wrote:
     
    >>
    >> >>I'm wondering which is the closest to DT <if that's possible<<
    >>
    >> I recomend Lemur Vioce "Insights". This album is a brilliant piece of
    >> work.
    >>
    >> Charlie.
    >>
    >
    >
    > I would also recommend Superior's "Behind". A another great
    > album that is similar to DT.
    >

    I second the recommendation of Lemur Voice. Musically, it's the closet
    thing to DT (Awake era) I've heard. The keyboardist uses a lot of the same
    sounds as Kev Moore. Great guitar. Vocals are different, at times, they
    remind me of John Arch from early Fates. Lyrics aren't the best, aren't
    the worst, but the vocal melodies make up for it.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend Superior. Reminds me a lot of
    Crimson Glory, if you remember them. This is more like standard metal if
    you ask me, even though there's keyboards/piano. One piano song sounds
    really good, but reminds me too much of a Wakeman song from ABWH. Anybody
    want to trade?

    - BH

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:51:56 EST
    From: GnRBrks <GnRBrks@aol.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Kevin back?
    Message-ID: <b099180.34ba907d@aol.com>

    Yeah,right!!!!!!!

    Glen

    Hi Jammers,

    I met Kevin on saturday around noon (local time mid-europe) on the Ytsejam
    channel. He mentioned he might be back with DT 'when the money is right'
    and he also said 'Derek won't last too long.'

    When I asked back: 'kidding or not?' he replied 'seriousely'!!!!!!!

    Cheers
    Choon-Kang

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:05:57 -0500
    From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3444
    Message-ID: <199801122205.RAA25384@mailnfs0.tiac.net>

    Yo,

    Graham said:

    > Spock's Beard - The Light
    > -------------------------
    > Wonderful. I think I actually almost like this better than Beware of
    Darkness.
    > Great lyrics. Neal Morse is a phenomenal songwriter. I am *really*
    looking
    > forward to The Kindness of Strangers on the 26th of January.

    Kindness of Strangers is out NOW. I got my copy a few days ago, it's damn
    good. Just as good as the older stuff but probably a little more hard
    rocking in parts. Maybe all you stuffy prog heads will think it's more
    mainstream, whatever. I think it rocks and progs.

    > Finneus Gauge - More Once More
    > ------------------------------
    > Mindless tuneless notestabbing. Utterly unlistenable. These guys wouldn't
    > know a harmony or a key signature if it shoved a tree up their collective
    > arse (which is where their heads currently are). What is the point in
    this?
    > The lyrics are awful too . . . do I remember a song about a sale in a
    > department store? Jesus Christ.

    Hahaha. I love the reactions of people upon their first introduction to the
    jazz world. Don't get me wrong, Finneus Gauge is not jazz, but the harmonic
    content and style of the soloists and comping (especially guitar) is very
    jazz and fusiony. This music is DENSE. The harmonies are there, but
    apparently they're just flying over people's heads who aren't familiar with
    this dense material. Keep listening to it, I think it will grow on you once
    your ears get used to what's going on. The guitar player is incredible in a
    fusion sense, and sometimes he even rocks it out. Very Holdsworthy. Anyway,
    anybody who DOES like fusion and is into this style should give it a
    chance.

    Adam

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:19:09 +0000
    From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: joints/selling out
    Message-ID: <19980112121254.AAA18136@sni.pananet.com>

    > >> It was just one sighting, in a coffee-shop in Amsterdam...I
    > >> mean who doesnt feel like smoking a joint in Amsterdam? :)
    > >> I sure did, and i dont smoke or drink.
    >
    > And, on a related matter, I just have to know. Does your above attitude
    > also imply that since you were in Amsterdam, you just HAD to do a
    > prostitute in their famous red-light district ?? (just
    > kidding.......well kindof.......:)
    >

    hahahaha, uh, no :)

    Noticed i said 'feel' like smoking a joint...i never actually did:)
    But when you're there it feels like its no big deal...actually i dont
    consider it to be a big deal anywhere...

    >couple of you know, I do lead vox for a prog band. I've found that
    >some pot ( especially just before going on stage) really helps me
    >hit high notes
     
    No nono, you just *imagine* you're hitting the high notes ;)

    (seriuosly though, that could be the case. I'd record my performance
    and listen back to it later to see if there really is an improvement)

    and as for selling out...I just hate that term, especially how its
    used in this list. Its like one of those trendy business terms like
    'paradigm'. Everybody seems to have have there own little definition
    of what 'selling out' means , and the minute a band crosses the line
    they point fingers and scream 'SELL OUT!'.

    In reality, the minute you sign a record contract, you have sold out.
    You are officially letting a company *pay* you so *they* can own
    *your music*. And in the end, they decide what you release. Granted,
    depending on what kind of music you play, the company itself, and how
    you negotiate, the label can go from not giving a shit of what you
    do, all the way to hovering over every single note you play. I'd
    like to meet an artist on a major label who has never compromised any
    of his/her music because of label pressure.

    If you dont want to sell out, then make cd's by yourself and sell
    them from your home. (which today is possible with cd'rs and the net)

    Ern

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:38:39 -0500
    From: surely@45150.com (Kevin Surely)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: replies
    Message-ID: <v0153051ab0e04b7f176d@[209.50.100.141]>

    Hi Pat,
    You wrote something that looked like this:

    >>If a band is recording material specifically for anyone other than
    >>themselves first and foremost is wrong.

    Take a doctor, for instance. He/she loves to perform surgery, but only
    open-heart surgery, cause any other type is too boring. So what does the
    doctor do with every patient that comes in for carpel tunnel syndrom? Open
    heart surgery of course! He's got to stay true to himself... :-)

    And to the prog vocalist:

    >>I've found that some pot ( especially just before going on stage)
    >>really helps me hit high notes

    Well try helium instead. It does that without the side effects. Oh, it's
    the side effects your after, isn't it?

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:32:08 -0200 (EDT)
    From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: pictures and james lights one up....no, really
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980112202932.19766A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>

    On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Thrak75 wrote:

    > to the people who've tried to explain to (one privately and one on here) that
    > the "pictures at an exhibition" i mean is emerson, lake and palmer....thanks,
    > but...i know that. i know that elp did actually 2 versions of it (one on the
    > 1971 album) and the other one on their awesome box set.

            Well, I don't know about the 1971 album nor about their box set,
    but since I'm trying to get into ELP, I've rented their album "In the Hot
    Seat" and it features this track (the album is from 1994) and it is split
    in many CD tracks, and the song is encoded in Dolby Surround.

            BTW, this album is *WAY* more pop-ish than what I thought a
    progressive band could ever get. But the songs are good. I only wished
    that it were more "sick", if you know what I mean.

            []s, Roger...

    --
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
      Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
       Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
     "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
               James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:02 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: What, exactly, is a Trinity? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980112172502.006a5cb0@pop.negia.net>

    Greetings ye 'jamanoids...

    Damon wants to know: >What the hell is the difference between all trinity models, the regular, >plus, pro or xpro?

    Trinity: 61-key keyboard.

    Trinity Plus: 61-key keyboard with Solo Synth included (basically this means that it has a Korg Prophecy built in).

    Trinity Pro: 76-key keyboard with Solo Synth included.

    Trinity ProX: 88-key, weighted-action keyboard, with Solo Synth included.

    Cheers, Phil

    ========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Crimson Glory -- "Transcendence"

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:48:54 -0600 From: larryd@boca.net (Larry Doe) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the difference in trinity models Message-ID: <19980112224356266.AAA236@larryd9.boca.net>

    very simply the trinity "regular" is a 61 key synthesizer, the "plus" is the same 61 key synth with a add-on board called the Prophesy. this adds about alot of analog sounds to the basic configuration. The Trinity Pro is the same as the Plus only it has 76 keys instead of 61. and the Trinity ProX is an 88 key controller, with piano action in the weighted keys. the sounds are the same as the Plus and the Pro. there are also a bunch of add-ons that can be purchased that will allow you to do direct to disk recording within the synth itself. you can also get memory expansions, and the other typical garbage. the most interesting of these is the optical output option that would allow direct recording into something like an ADAT or minidisk system. all that information is on the korg web site at <www.korg.com>

    Lary

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    Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:26:16 -0500 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FortuneFameMirrorVainGoneInsaneTheMemoryRemains (fwd) Message-ID: <IANb0MlyZQIW092yn@ime.usp.br>

    Well, I thought this one was funny... :-) []s, Roger...

    -------- Forwarded message -------- Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica Date: 18 Dec 1997 11:50:27 GMT ]From: candlemas6@aol.com (CANDLEMAS6) Subject: FortuneFameMirrorVainGoneInsaneTheMemoryRemains

    Fortune Fame...Metallica has acheived fortune and fame. Mirror Vain....They all cut their hair. Gone Insane...They have gone insane to release Load and especially Reload. The Memory Remains...The Memory of *old* Metallica still remains.

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