YTSEJAM Digest 3446
Today's Topics:
1) EVE
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
3) Re: Selling out like a ho
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
5) kevin moore back with DT???
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
6) Re: DT-Like Music
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
7) Re: DS Trinity model
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
8) settling this "selling out" business / nature of booting
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
9) Re: flotsam and jetsam
by "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com>
10) Re: Lemur Voice
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
11) Kevin back?
by GnRBrks <GnRBrks@aol.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3444
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
13) joints/selling out
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) replies
by surely@45150.com (Kevin Surely)
15) Re: pictures and james lights one up....no, really
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) What, exactly, is a Trinity?
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
17) the difference in trinity models
by larryd@boca.net (Larry Doe)
18) FortuneFameMirrorVainGoneInsaneTheMemoryRemains (fwd)
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:42:39 -0700
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: EVE
Message-ID: <000c01bd1f9a$b8a6b680$472746cf@sir.micron.net>
Well it's looking like the page isn't working exactly as planned, but don=
't
fret! You guys have to hear this wicked rendition of Eve whether you wan=
t
to or not ;) Just bookmark http://www.cyberhighway.net/~washburn and try
back every hour or so (hehehe actually just try this evening or maybe
tomorrow). Even if it isn't up you can go there to get the cool info abou=
t
the song so you'll want to hear it more. But remember folks, listen to t=
he
keyboards, not the guitars. hehehe
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot=99 from Blammo!=AE
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:53:11 EST
From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
Message-ID: <ee1f2d4a.34ba82b8@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-12 15:51:03 EST, you write:
<< If it actually was Kevin, and if the only reason he wants back in is money,
I
don't want him!
Art
>>
what are you talking about? is kevin moore is returning to DT?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:01:34 -0500 (EST)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Selling out like a ho
Message-ID: <199801122101.QAA18762@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>
Brian "Wacky" Wherry said:
>> I think you can. If a hooker stands on the corner trying to sell
>> herself, and no one picks her up, she is still a sellout.
>Maybe she's just really unattractive. Take that little ho in Total
>Recall, for instance (that's right, the one with the three-tittied
>friend). Not many customers are likely to pick her up, but that doesn't
>make her a sellout. It just means that most dudes don't like little hoes.
>See what I'm sayin'? :)
Actually, the ho is a sell-out if the three-tittied ho is getting all
of the business and some other chick gets Desmond Child to sugically
add a third titty to her chest to get more attention!
That was strictly humour and in no way do I mean that DT is a sell-out!
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:04:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3445
Message-ID: <199801122104.QAA19026@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:38:39 +0000
> From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> To: Just Let Me Bhong <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Bone in my mouth, size of a boulder :)
Now that is funny! Love that mail alias! Uh-oh...do I smell
another parody coming on. Maybe Bahr would like to try again
with something a bit more tasteful!
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:59:55 EST
From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: kevin moore back with DT???
Message-ID: <303264cc.34ba844c@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-12 15:51:03 EST, you write:
<< << I met Kevin on saturday around noon (local time mid-europe) on the
Ytsejam
channel. He mentioned he might be back with DT 'when the money is right'
and he also said 'Derek won't last too long.'
When I asked back: 'kidding or not?' he replied 'seriousely'!!!!!!!
>>
>>
mabye he was just messing with you mabye he does want more money but either
way he was right when he said derek ( most likely ) won't last long. he cannot
write and he's not as good as kevin no wait i take that back mabye he is as
good mabye even better but the problem is you can hardly ever hear him.
sometimes i even forget he's in DT, so any way i hope that kevin does get in
with DT i think he's very talented. not that i'm saying derek is bad or
anything i just prefer kevin. but that dosen't mean i don't like dreamtheater
for who they are with or with out kevin i lke them i just think kevin is a
very good addition.
Angellaa
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:04:59 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT-Like Music
Message-ID: <34BA857B.3E359C59@sydney.net>
Todd O. Klindt wrote:
>
> I think the most Images and Words-sounding disk I've heard is
> Mayadome-Paranormal Activity. This thing fucking rocks! The vocalist
> is aweful (that however is NOT like I&W) but the music is dead on.
> Especially the keyboards and drums. If you haven't picked this up, and
> you like I&W, I'd do it. If anyone is interested in MP3s from it, let
> me know. I'll put a couple on a web site.
My question is why would you want something that sounds that much like
I&W ? I can't stand DT wanna be clones like Ivanhoe and the many others.
After all non of them will ever be better than the original ?
graham
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:09:11 -0500 (EST)
From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DS Trinity model
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980112160451.17464A-100000@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
>What the hell is the difference between all trinity models, the regular,
>plus, pro or xpro?
Trinity: the base model. 61-keys, no AC, no leather, no alarm system, no
alloy wheels, no floormats.
Trinity plus: adds the Prophecy board
Trinity pro: 76-key version of the plus <- Derek's
Trinity proX: 88-key weighted action version of the pro (although one
wonders whether having a solo synth hooked up to a weighted controller
is such a great idea).
For more info, try http://www.korg.com/trinity2.htm
- il
No bass, no peace /\
Know bass, know peace /\/ \ /\ /\
-- /\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\ /
/\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ / \/
/ ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. ..\.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:09:00 -0500
From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: settling this "selling out" business / nature of booting
Message-ID: <199801122104.QAA28726@bertelsmanncis.com>
from mr. ptacek:
>You can't sell out if you can't sell. That's just the
>way it works, dude.
survey says--nope. sorry, have to call you on this one. anyone who
equates the term "selling out" to dollars and cents is taking the term
far too literally. when one is said to have "sold out," what is being
referred to is the selling of integrity, of pride. that simple. for
those who believe metallica sold out, they believe that metallica went
entirely against everything they had previously stood for, in terms of
never compromising with their music, or with its presentation. a result
was greater record sales, true, but that's only secondary.
in the rap community, mc hammer's sales plummeted several years back
when he was widely accused of "selling out." the sales are
irrelevant--he sold out in that he betrayed things he claimed to stand
for (with the black community).
ok, about boots. now, as chris is getting slammed for critiquing mike
bahr's business practices (something i have no familiarity with, so no
comment on), i am reminded of a few jams ago, about "When Dream And
James Unite." someone had said that it wasn't too cool, taking mike
bahr's boot and just making a copy of it. i wonder: why? isn't it
exactly what botlegging is, taking another person's work and selling it
to make a profit? i don't want to start a holy war about bootlegging
here, and i don't really have any passion for or against it... just
wondering....
--MATt
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:13:30 -0500
From: "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: flotsam and jetsam
Message-ID: <001b01bd1f9e$ef2f7300$61c229cf@default>
It's 1998, and Flotsam has long since left MCA and returned to Metal Blade.
If you want to hear what they sound like minus a meddling label, check out
their latest release (1997), High.
Killer classic Metal album, and more in the mold of their older stuff than
the last couple on MCA. Not progressive in the least, but if you like Heavy
Metal by definition, it's definitely one you'll wan to give a listen.
I have a couple of sound samples at
http://heavymetal.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa112297.htm.
Matt
Heavy Metal at The Mining Company
http://heavymetal.miningco.com
heavymetal.guide@miningco.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:31:05 -0800
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980112133105.006dba14@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> >>I'm wondering which is the closest to DT <if that's possible<<
>>
>> I recomend Lemur Vioce "Insights". This album is a brilliant piece of
>> work.
>>
>> Charlie.
>>
>
>
> I would also recommend Superior's "Behind". A another great
> album that is similar to DT.
>
I second the recommendation of Lemur Voice. Musically, it's the closet
thing to DT (Awake era) I've heard. The keyboardist uses a lot of the same
sounds as Kev Moore. Great guitar. Vocals are different, at times, they
remind me of John Arch from early Fates. Lyrics aren't the best, aren't
the worst, but the vocal melodies make up for it.
On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend Superior. Reminds me a lot of
Crimson Glory, if you remember them. This is more like standard metal if
you ask me, even though there's keyboards/piano. One piano song sounds
really good, but reminds me too much of a Wakeman song from ABWH. Anybody
want to trade?
- BH
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:51:56 EST
From: GnRBrks <GnRBrks@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin back?
Message-ID: <b099180.34ba907d@aol.com>
Yeah,right!!!!!!!
Glen
Hi Jammers,
I met Kevin on saturday around noon (local time mid-europe) on the Ytsejam
channel. He mentioned he might be back with DT 'when the money is right'
and he also said 'Derek won't last too long.'
When I asked back: 'kidding or not?' he replied 'seriousely'!!!!!!!
Cheers
Choon-Kang
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:05:57 -0500
From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3444
Message-ID: <199801122205.RAA25384@mailnfs0.tiac.net>
Yo,
Graham said:
> Spock's Beard - The Light
> -------------------------
> Wonderful. I think I actually almost like this better than Beware of
Darkness.
> Great lyrics. Neal Morse is a phenomenal songwriter. I am *really*
looking
> forward to The Kindness of Strangers on the 26th of January.
Kindness of Strangers is out NOW. I got my copy a few days ago, it's damn
good. Just as good as the older stuff but probably a little more hard
rocking in parts. Maybe all you stuffy prog heads will think it's more
mainstream, whatever. I think it rocks and progs.
> Finneus Gauge - More Once More
> ------------------------------
> Mindless tuneless notestabbing. Utterly unlistenable. These guys wouldn't
> know a harmony or a key signature if it shoved a tree up their collective
> arse (which is where their heads currently are). What is the point in
this?
> The lyrics are awful too . . . do I remember a song about a sale in a
> department store? Jesus Christ.
Hahaha. I love the reactions of people upon their first introduction to the
jazz world. Don't get me wrong, Finneus Gauge is not jazz, but the harmonic
content and style of the soloists and comping (especially guitar) is very
jazz and fusiony. This music is DENSE. The harmonies are there, but
apparently they're just flying over people's heads who aren't familiar with
this dense material. Keep listening to it, I think it will grow on you once
your ears get used to what's going on. The guitar player is incredible in a
fusion sense, and sometimes he even rocks it out. Very Holdsworthy. Anyway,
anybody who DOES like fusion and is into this style should give it a
chance.
Adam
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:19:09 +0000
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: joints/selling out
Message-ID: <19980112121254.AAA18136@sni.pananet.com>
> >> It was just one sighting, in a coffee-shop in Amsterdam...I
> >> mean who doesnt feel like smoking a joint in Amsterdam? :)
> >> I sure did, and i dont smoke or drink.
>
> And, on a related matter, I just have to know. Does your above attitude
> also imply that since you were in Amsterdam, you just HAD to do a
> prostitute in their famous red-light district ?? (just
> kidding.......well kindof.......:)
>
hahahaha, uh, no :)
Noticed i said 'feel' like smoking a joint...i never actually did:)
But when you're there it feels like its no big deal...actually i dont
consider it to be a big deal anywhere...
>couple of you know, I do lead vox for a prog band. I've found that
>some pot ( especially just before going on stage) really helps me
>hit high notes
No nono, you just *imagine* you're hitting the high notes ;)
(seriuosly though, that could be the case. I'd record my performance
and listen back to it later to see if there really is an improvement)
and as for selling out...I just hate that term, especially how its
used in this list. Its like one of those trendy business terms like
'paradigm'. Everybody seems to have have there own little definition
of what 'selling out' means , and the minute a band crosses the line
they point fingers and scream 'SELL OUT!'.
In reality, the minute you sign a record contract, you have sold out.
You are officially letting a company *pay* you so *they* can own
*your music*. And in the end, they decide what you release. Granted,
depending on what kind of music you play, the company itself, and how
you negotiate, the label can go from not giving a shit of what you
do, all the way to hovering over every single note you play. I'd
like to meet an artist on a major label who has never compromised any
of his/her music because of label pressure.
If you dont want to sell out, then make cd's by yourself and sell
them from your home. (which today is possible with cd'rs and the net)
Ern
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:38:39 -0500
From: surely@45150.com (Kevin Surely)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: replies
Message-ID: <v0153051ab0e04b7f176d@[209.50.100.141]>
Hi Pat,
You wrote something that looked like this:
>>If a band is recording material specifically for anyone other than
>>themselves first and foremost is wrong.
Take a doctor, for instance. He/she loves to perform surgery, but only
open-heart surgery, cause any other type is too boring. So what does the
doctor do with every patient that comes in for carpel tunnel syndrom? Open
heart surgery of course! He's got to stay true to himself... :-)
And to the prog vocalist:
>>I've found that some pot ( especially just before going on stage)
>>really helps me hit high notes
Well try helium instead. It does that without the side effects. Oh, it's
the side effects your after, isn't it?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:32:08 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: pictures and james lights one up....no, really
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980112202932.19766A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Thrak75 wrote:
> to the people who've tried to explain to (one privately and one on here) that
> the "pictures at an exhibition" i mean is emerson, lake and palmer....thanks,
> but...i know that. i know that elp did actually 2 versions of it (one on the
> 1971 album) and the other one on their awesome box set.
Well, I don't know about the 1971 album nor about their box set,
but since I'm trying to get into ELP, I've rented their album "In the Hot
Seat" and it features this track (the album is from 1994) and it is split
in many CD tracks, and the song is encoded in Dolby Surround.
BTW, this album is *WAY* more pop-ish than what I thought a
progressive band could ever get. But the songs are good. I only wished
that it were more "sick", if you know what I mean.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:02 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: What, exactly, is a Trinity? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980112172502.006a5cb0@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Damon wants to know: >What the hell is the difference between all trinity models, the regular, >plus, pro or xpro?
Trinity: 61-key keyboard.
Trinity Plus: 61-key keyboard with Solo Synth included (basically this means that it has a Korg Prophecy built in).
Trinity Pro: 76-key keyboard with Solo Synth included.
Trinity ProX: 88-key, weighted-action keyboard, with Solo Synth included.
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Crimson Glory -- "Transcendence"
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:48:54 -0600 From: larryd@boca.net (Larry Doe) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the difference in trinity models Message-ID: <19980112224356266.AAA236@larryd9.boca.net>
very simply the trinity "regular" is a 61 key synthesizer, the "plus" is the same 61 key synth with a add-on board called the Prophesy. this adds about alot of analog sounds to the basic configuration. The Trinity Pro is the same as the Plus only it has 76 keys instead of 61. and the Trinity ProX is an 88 key controller, with piano action in the weighted keys. the sounds are the same as the Plus and the Pro. there are also a bunch of add-ons that can be purchased that will allow you to do direct to disk recording within the synth itself. you can also get memory expansions, and the other typical garbage. the most interesting of these is the optical output option that would allow direct recording into something like an ADAT or minidisk system. all that information is on the korg web site at <www.korg.com>
Lary
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:26:16 -0500 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FortuneFameMirrorVainGoneInsaneTheMemoryRemains (fwd) Message-ID: <IANb0MlyZQIW092yn@ime.usp.br>
Well, I thought this one was funny... :-) []s, Roger...
-------- Forwarded message -------- Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica Date: 18 Dec 1997 11:50:27 GMT ]From: candlemas6@aol.com (CANDLEMAS6) Subject: FortuneFameMirrorVainGoneInsaneTheMemoryRemains
Fortune Fame...Metallica has acheived fortune and fame. Mirror Vain....They all cut their hair. Gone Insane...They have gone insane to release Load and especially Reload. The Memory Remains...The Memory of *old* Metallica still remains.
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