YTSEJAM Digest 3443
Today's Topics:
1) Fat Chance
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
2) Labels/Setlists
by "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
3) Re: FII: Recording Questions
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) Re: persuasion tape to Rogerio Brito
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
5) exactly
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
6) Re: Kindness beauty and truth :}
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
7) GIVE IT A REST
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
8) Re: Selling Out
by someone@prognosis.com
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3440
by someone@prognosis.com
10) Keeping quiet
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
11) The Mighty Tangs and stuff
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
12) it's ELP
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
13) Tour Dates...
by A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
14) Eve
by "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
15) LTP?...LTE?
by Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no>
16) DTIFC002?
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
17) Re: DT-Like Music
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
18) First DT Experience
by AL <al@isd.net>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:53:08 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fat Chance
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980112005308.00708008@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>There is a Lie single, right? Where can I get it?
You've got to find somebody who owns it and duel them (to the death,
obviously) for posession of the single.
And since I'm still sans "Lie" myself, I figure I'll take this opportunity
to issue a public challenge to any and all of you lucky bastards out there
who happened to get your hands on said item. It's all about you and me,
Ytsejam, this weekend on pay-per-view, where ultimate victory will be
determined in who walks out, well, on who walks out! No biting or
eye-gouging, though. I'll tell.
Brian "Crusher" Henderson
===========================
Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:09:24 CST
From: "Brown, Neal Patrick" <W059@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Labels/Setlists
Message-ID: <12JAN98.00169389.0066.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
>Also regarding DT in Concert and others in concert. I'm wondering
>how
>much impact does the record company have on the shows. I mean >count
>how many FII songs were played during the concerts. Think >about
>Rush.
>They have 5000 albums out, yet this last tour they pass >up to play
>some
>timeless to play new songs off TFE? Come on - you >gotta think 75% of
>the people at the shows already have or heard >stuff from the new
>album.
>Now take Yes's current tour - they have a >shit little label and they
>only play 2 songs off their two albums >that came out within in a mont h
>of each other?
>
>So I think that the record companies are requiring bands to play
>either a certain percentage of songs off of new CD's or bands are two
>lazy to relearn old stuff that people actually want to hear.
>
Okay....*clears throat* Bruce....um, hate to point this out but there' s
a reason why Yes is just playing the same old songs. They need the
money. People aren't gonna come out and see them if they know they're
playing new shit. When Rush gets up there, they want to play the new
stuff PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'VE PLAYED THE OLD STUFF A BAZILLION TIMES
AND IT'S GETTING BORING TO THEM. Sorry about the shouting but it seem s
kind of obvious....DT continues to play Ytsejam....but they fuck with
it. (Right now, they're playing it at warp speed.) After a while,
they'll eventually get so sick of it if they play it at all it'll be
like an acoustic version and they'll write some lyrics for James....An d
as far as I know, the labels don't tell the bands what to play live.
They've got more important things to do (such as decide which garage
band is most likely to be able to sell eighty trillion records). I
might
be wrong about that, but as long as the band makes money, I don't thin k
the labels give two shits.
P.S Rush probably has a large portion of their stuff memorized as it
is,
just by virtue of having played it so often....laziness has nothing to
do with it.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:49:08 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: FII: Recording Questions
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980112044416.16106A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, James wrote:
> Does anyone know if FII was recorded on ADAT or 2" Tape?
> Also what mixer was used?
I don't know (I think that they should use ADAT or something
better), but I was very surprised to know that Satriani prefers analog
media to digital media. Maybe it's because he must be a purist that wants
to hear all those very, very, very, VERY high harmonics (if he listens up
to those high frequencies).
"Flying in a Blue Dream" has the following in the liner notes:
"This album was recorded & mixed with the Dolby SR Noise Reduction
system".
BTW, Dolby SR is the professional version of Dolby S, which
reduces high-frequency hiss/noise by 24dB (wow!), for you people
interested in numbers. Are decks with Dolby S common in the States?? I
plan to get one here, but they cost me a lot, and my budget is not that
big right now (in fact, it is very low).
> thanks,
> --james--
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:16:18 PST From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: persuasion tape to Rogerio Brito Message-ID: <19980112071618.3225.qmail@hotmail.com>
This is supposeed to be a response to Rogerio Brito,but I tought I'd post it to JAM:
>8) Erotomania
> I think that Erotomania suffers from the same problem that >Metropolis suffers, don't you agree? I also think that when a person >is not yet familiar with progressive bands, they are usually not used >to instrumental tracks (you know, people that "need" some voice in >their songs).
Well,I don't agree.I've got a girlfriend,who's not really into DT,but she really likes Erotomania...She also likes those "usual DT favorites for girls":Surrounded,Space-dye Vest and Hollow Years. Also many of my friends,who have nothing to do with music like Erotomania...So I don't think it really matters if it's instrumental,or if it's "Show-off"...
~Jani~
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:30:45 -0500 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: exactly Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980112023045.00690ef0@ee.net>
>So someone *supposedly* saw JLB burning one (in Amsterdam...) > SO FUCKING WHAT ?
My sentiments exactly. Reminds me of a time I told a friend of mine I was going to see a Melissa Etheridge concert and he was like "ewww you're going to see HER??" and I said "yeah, she's a great musician" and he said "but she's gay!".
Like that just totally changed how much I like her music. NOT. Makes you wonder what some people are looking for in a band...
buster
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:37:20 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Kindness beauty and truth :} Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980112003718.006b5d74@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 10:06 PM 1/10/98 -0800, Lisa wrote: >The ideals which have lighted my way, and time after time have given me new >courage to face life cheerfully, have been Kindness, Beauty, and Truth. >-Albert Einstein
Dang it! I always thought the lyric was "Show me kindness, show me booty, show me boobs."
;)~
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:43:11 -0500 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: GIVE IT A REST Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980112024311.00690ef0@ee.net>
> At the Columbus show before one of the Jams, James joked to the >audience that he was going to "go back and smoke". One of teh audience >members threw him a cig. and he started laughing and mentioning that the guy >didn't get the joke. He distinctly said that he didn't smoke. But hey, >that was two or three months ago, who knows?
I was at this show and think I can clear this up a little.
Toward the start of the show, the place was so filled with cigarrette smoke that James was obviously having to breathe in while trying to sing, that he made a joke by saying: "Hey, anyone got a cigarrette?" and someone in the crowd thought he was serious so they threw him one, and he joked back: "wow this guy thinks Im serious man! what are these like .10 cents each now? (laughs) I don't smoke man, here you can have it back..."
BUT, LATER ON in the show James announced that someone was up for an instrumental spot and said "while I go in the back and smoke a joint".
There ya have it, he gets stoned. Big fucking deal. When you go out to eat, whether it be a restaurant or drive-thru, you dont ask "hey, does that guy with his fingers all over my sandwich smoke pot??" The odds are he does, and he probably just got done picking his nose too.
It's not like James is going to infect you with an unwanted contact-buzz from listening to his amazing vocals on the CD! Give me a foookin break peoples!!!!!!! Just shut the fuck up and listen to the music....er...I mean, just enjoy the songs and stop worrying about James' personal recreation. It's not fucking hurting you....definitely not as bad as whatever you ate at the drive thru today is.
buster
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:59:20 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Selling Out Message-ID: <199801120752.XAA04528@odin.ax.com>
To me, one has sold out when their style changes to suit the flavor of the month. Stone Temple Pilots went from Alice in Chains, to Pearl Jam, to Soundgarden, to whatever the hell they are now... I consider that selling out. Metallica saw that thrash does not equal cash, and so threw their integrity out the window (argue with me if you think I could give a shit). Now, while I hold no love for Eniff Z' Nuff, and recognize that they aren't even prog (I don't know how the topic came up), I want to ask those of you who call them a sell out: Why aren't they rolling in the cash? Why did their sound never really change? How did they sell out, if they started up in one style (be it popular at the time or not) and still, to this day have neither progressed or regressed (subjective terms, but you understand)? You can't sell out if you can't sell. That's just the way it works, dude.
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:11:54 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3440 Message-ID: <199801120805.AAA04622@odin.ax.com>
> From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> > Subject: You all kick giant ass!!! > > The total tally for the day was just over two thousand in gross > revenue. Count off material/utility costs and such, and it's probably > around four hundred in take-home
Wow. And this means we should expect a price drop soon, or does this mean you're basically no different than any other bootleg company, except that you tell us how much cash you're making? Nothing personal... just business.
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:27:03 -0500 (EST) From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Keeping quiet Message-ID: <199801120827.DAA22986@acmex.gatech.edu>
> Better to remain silent and be though[t] a fool, than to open your mouth > and remove ALL doubt. - ?
I think Abraham Lincoln said this, but I'm not sure.
Eric
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:34:33 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Mighty Tangs and stuff Message-ID: <01BD1F3D.4B31E870@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Ah, yes, Tangerine Dream, now there was a band to get stoned to. Just a few Jams ago, somebody recommended starting with the older stuff - I can only second this opinion - makes all this Yanni/Enya noise sound like 'goose farts on a foggy morning' (copyright Leo Kottke). Some of the more ungrateful people on this list are moaning that Dream Theater tend to play basically the same set every night ("goddamit man, I've seen them 17 times on this tour and they've only played 14 different sets") - well, Tangerine Dream would have been a suitable band for these people back in the 70s. I must have seen them live 10 times, and not once did they ever play anything off their albums, and not once did I ever recognize anything they played - this is because they used to improvise everything from start to finish. Weird concerts altogether: just three guys sat before huge Moogs and banks of sequencers, a light show that consisted of three ultraviolet strip lights and hours of amazing music. Check out the live album 'Ricochet' to get a feel of what this was like. And this was back in the days when you had to queue up overnight outside the venues to get tickets - no whinging about Ticketmaster then, just a good solid dose of hypothermia.
On the subject of moaning, what's all this stuff about Mr. LaBrie and smoking? Do I detect genuine concern, or (more probable) just good old selfishness along the lines of "if his voice goes, there will be no more Dream Theater albums for me to enjoy". And don't forget: as long as you don't inhale, you can still get to be president of the United States (or possibly prime minister of Canada, in James' case).
Perhaps the 'album of the year' contest might have been a little more interesting if "Falling Into Infinity" had been excluded - I mean, it wasn't really a surprise, was it?
Was Marcel Marceau mime-encoded?
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) (http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/2321) Currently playing: Steeley Dan - Pretzel Logic
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:41:30 -0700 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: it's ELP Message-ID: <v01520d05b0df78cc4ca8@[205.134.227.58]>
Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> wrote:
>was it tangerine dream or mahogany rush??
>one of the above two bands (i believe) does a song called "pictures at an >exhibition." if anyone can tell me anything about it, is it just any old song >that happens to be called that, or is it an adaptation of the mussorgsky >>piece (a la elp)? any info much appreciated.
]From what I have heard it's ELP who does a live recording of the Mussorgsky piece call "Pictures at an Exhibition". I'm sure it's not from Tangerine Dream but I don't know about Mahogany Rush.
Take care, AE
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:31:22 +0000 From: A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tour Dates... Message-ID: <1F376641FF5@qmwcc5.qmw.ac.uk>
I have been away on holiday for 3 weeks. Just wondering if any more dates have been anounced (apart from those on the ' rsabbs ' site ) especially for the UK. - Private mail please - ( I've got 77 jams to read before I'm up to date!)
BTW, is anyone going to the Paris, France show in Feb? Could you let me know how to get tickets. (Privately again please).
Thanks ,
Adrian.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:35:42 -0700 From: "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Eve Message-ID: <01bd1f3d$73943200$94e21ace@korgx3>
Well, It's done, fini, finished, terminated.
Anyone interesting in checking out woot and I's re-recording of Eve over this past weekend go to: http://www.cyberhighway.net/~washburn/Eve/
It's not a bad recording and was all digital. Just don't be too picky on the mistakes, or I'll prompt you to do better. :)
(Newbie note: Eve is a B-Side Instrumental piece found on the Japanese version of Awake and on the Silent Man single.)
Later! Washburn washburn@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:02:44 GMT+1 From: Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTP?...LTE? Message-ID: <39349496CFE@humanistisk.hd.uib.no>
> The release date of the LTP is February 24th. > The morning after the murder of Laura Palmer....
PS. Wouldn't that be Liquid Tension Experiment? (not Project?)
C ya!
Kyrre
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:52:36 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DTIFC002? Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-980112105236Z-22860@ms.Kallback.com>
>I received my Xmas cd three weeks ago. What does "DTIFC 002" mean? "Dream >Theater International Fan Club, Project #2?" ------------------------------------------------------------ Speaking of this, what should we call it here on the Jam? DTIFC2 or DTIFC97 seems kind of long and awkward. I was thinking maybe X97 (Christmas 1997). Anyone care of have any comments?
Trevor
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:32:28 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT-Like Music Message-ID: <34BA0D5C.1A23929@netins.net>
I think the most Images and Words-sounding disk I've heard is Mayadome-Paranormal Activity. This thing fucking rocks! The vocalist is aweful (that however is NOT like I&W) but the music is dead on. Especially the keyboards and drums. If you haven't picked this up, and you like I&W, I'd do it. If anyone is interested in MP3s from it, let me know. I'll put a couple on a web site.
tk
> I keep seeing people on the Jam talking about Marillion, Fates W., > Savatage, Symphony X, Spocks Beard, Incubus, etc.... I'm wondering which > is the closest to DT <if that's possible>. I've been studying > progressive music <mainly from a drummer's view, as I play..er..try to > play em> since about 1976 or so. When I first heard DT (PMU I believe)=20 > I think I ruined a perfectly good pair of underwear! I immediatly bought > every CD I could find by them and since, have bought everyone that comes > out ON it's release date. This is the Question : > What's the closest CD to I&W ? ....meaning which CD by which band is > close to equal to the technical abilities displayed by ALL members of DT > on I&W ?? ----I realize that this is an opinion I'm asking and i hope > that I don't create tons-o-flame wars....if it does...GROW UP ! > Opinions are like A=A7=A7holes -- Everybody's got one, and we ALL think t= > hat > ours is better than the rest. > > >> ~Eckie is fargin' SICK of this encoded crap, turn it off or suffer >> = > the consequences you iceholes!!! > >Dude, I'm with you. That crap's really starting to get old,...- Matt T. > NO =A7HIT...Fucking stop already with all that binary BULL=A7HIT ! > sheesh > > Zildjian
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:29:10 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: First DT Experience Message-ID: <34BA0C96.BB29014C@isd.net>
Dear Jammers & bandwidth whiners, LOL I have my DT story (first time) as a short story Titled "The evolution of a Dream Theater fan" on my web page at http://www.isd.net/astrosch/dt/dt.html There is also some cool prog links off the root page. See ya, AL...
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