YTSEJAM Digest 3441
Today's Topics:
1) Emperor?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) the joint
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
3) was it tangerine dream or mahogany rush??
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3440
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
5) Old and new songs live
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
6) Pot, X-mas CD, Sexual, tour promotion
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net>
7) FII/Vocals
by they cover you in flowers when they bury you <afn39111@afn.org>
8) FS: QR "Rage for Order" (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
9) Lines in The Sand Bass Fill
by Sunnyde25 <Sunnyde25@aol.com>
10) What bands play at shows
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
11) FII
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
12) "Decline" of James' voice?
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
13) Re: 1997 Ytsejam Album contest results on UACM
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
14) Prog cliche #42
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
15) re: Yikes...
by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
16) MP
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3439
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
18) re: set lists
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
19) Falling into Infinity
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com (jemmons)
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:33:55 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Emperor?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980111163101.14430A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi, People.
I just went to Itchy's site to see what were the discs that people
here preferred this past year and what a surprise! Emperor's last disc is
listed there!
Can you that voted in this album e-mail me? I'd like to get more
information about this album (I have only heard one of its songs many
times and I got a good impression of it).
Thank you very much, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:37:20 +0000 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the joint Message-ID: <19980111083047.AAA23445@sni.pananet.com>
> His vox were definitely better on I&W . . . maybe he started smoking up > inbetween I&W and Awake? :) Just kidding - although I would have liked to > think a band like DT were all straight-edges . . . it doesn't really bother > me. I just hope James's vox don't suffer.
It was just one sighting, in a coffee-shop in Amsterdam...I mean who doesnt feel like smoking a joint in Amsterdam? :) I sure did, and i dont smoke or drink.
and with that i say buh-bye Ern
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:41:35 EST From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: was it tangerine dream or mahogany rush?? Message-ID: <18ffe06a.34b91260@aol.com>
maybe someone can answer this question for me.
one of the above two bands (i believe) does a song called "pictures at an exhibition." if anyone can tell me anything about it, is it just any old song that happens to be called that, or is it an adaptation of the mussorgsky piece (a la elp)? any info much appreciated.\
ytsegoon
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled." -j. petrucci ************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:03:54 +0000 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3440 Message-ID: <19980111085720.AAA23852@sni.pananet.com>
> Subject: FII > Bafu Vai > p.s. the give-away clue to which song Phish wrote about DT's latest album can > be found in my Subject: line.
d'oh! So i guess you belong to the 'Fee' club and not the 'Eff-eye-eye' club, huh? :)
wuhdadoo! Ern
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:18:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Old and new songs live Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980111140649.10274A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > So I think that the record companies are requiring bands to play either > a certain percentage of songs off of new CD's or bands are two lazy to > relearn old stuff that people actually want to hear. > Aside from self-expression and getting laid, one of the major reasons a band tours at all is to promote its current album. There is a definite correlation between concerts and album sales, especially for rock bands (there has been a bunch of research on this, though it is pretty much common sense anyway). So it is really in the band's best interest to play stuff off the new album. The record company generally has very little, if anything, to do with picking set lists. The most they could probably do is say, "Hey, YNM is coming out as single, it might be a good idea to play it." But that's about it. Personally, I like to see bands play new material on tour.
Richie
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:40:28 -0500 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pot, X-mas CD, Sexual, tour promotion Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980111154028.007967a0@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Well if James smokes it, good for him. I don't do it anymore, but if he likes it... Go for it. Just don't do it before he plays. X mas CD, superb. Excellent. That's about all I can say. I was expecting some "unreleased" stuff, but this was even better. The only thing that could have been better was a video showing the whole process. "Derek is a homo" was said. Who gives a shit!! This tread was already hashed out. All I have to say is "Life is a _____. Fuck it." You fill in the blanks. Tour promotion: Somebody wrote something about wanting to hear new material on the FII tour. You already got it with the "Fix for 96" Tour. It wouldn't be called to FII tour if they weren't trying to promote FII. Maybe towards the tail end of this tour, you'll see more new stuff. I hate Denver. I hope that GB destroys them. Later, J
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:50:41 -0500 (EST) From: they cover you in flowers when they bury you <afn39111@afn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII/Vocals Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980111153148.240468B-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com> wrote:
No, it's *our* Rob or Ross, not yours, you AOLuser.
> p.s. the give-away clue to which song Phish wrote about DT's latest album can > be found in my Subject: line.
I made that joke a few months ago, via a verse of filk (don't remember it exactly, something about going for commerciality with an album named FII), but no one got it.
In other news, the vocal thing. I've never been a huge fan of LaBrie's vocals. Not because of the pitch, hell in rock my fave is Tate, but because of skill. LaBrie's voice goes against all my aesthetics and teaching, especially on LATM and LIT. He's okay, but still the only member of the band I am sometimes embarrassed about.
On the other hand, Geoff Tate has always impressed me, David Sylvian dominates the lower register, Bobby McFerrin can sing anything known to man, Tracey Thorn was the most skilled female pop singer I knew of, until I discovered Francine Poitras on Cirque du Soleil's SALTIMBANCO--this woman kicks ass--talk about operatic vocals.
It's not so much that LaBrie is a bad singer--he's better than most pop musicians, easily, and he's quite adequate in the studio--but that when you get used to this calibre of vocalists he falls sort of flat. I could have made my stepdad (mainly a classical guitar listener) a DT fan, based on JP's playing, if only LaBrie kept his mouth shut.
So I had to turn him on to Robert Fripp's guitar craft, instead.
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious."
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:59:46 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FS: QR "Rage for Order" (NDTC) Message-ID: <v01520d03b0de9b4b1433@[207.90.119.225]>
I have the following CD for sale:
Queensryche "Rage for Order"
$9 - Postage _included_.
email: dantemm@erinet.com if interested.
Thanks for the bandwidth, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:52:08 EST From: Sunnyde25 <Sunnyde25@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lines in The Sand Bass Fill Message-ID: <42d6edfa.34b930f9@aol.com>
I remember someone a while back saying they wish they could make the sound of the bass fill at 9:48 in Lines in the Sand when they farted. Being the curious person I am, I listened to it and was amazed be how fast JM whipped those harmonics out. I figured out the rhythm and notes and if you would like to see the music I put it up at http://members.aol.com/Sunnyde25/music.htm
E-mail me if you interpret it as being something else.
Mark Sunnyde25@Aol.com
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:54:04 -0500 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: What bands play at shows Message-ID: <199801112315.PAA29947@odin.ax.com>
>Also regarding DT in Concert and others in concert. I'm wondering how >much impact does the record company have on the shows. I mean count how >many FII songs were played during the concerts. Think about Rush. >They have 5000 albums out, yet this last tour they pass up to play some >timeless to play new songs off TFE? Come on - you gotta think 75% of >the people at the shows already have or heard stuff from the new album. >Now take Yes's current tour - they have a shit little label and they >only play 2 songs off their two albums that came out within in a month >of each other?
Damn, where are those 5000 albums? I'd like to hear them. :^)
Actually, you may have made the opposite argument then what you intended. Neither band has sold well as far a pop music goes. Rush, I think has the most control over what they play. Think about it: if you were in a band, what would you rather play? The old shit you have been playing for the past 20 years, or the stuff you have just wrote? I'd rather play the new stuff.
Yes's new album had not been released when I went to see them, so therefore why play a bunch of the new stuff that no one has heard, considering the old stuff is extremely long and will take up most of the show? I have no idea if they have changed the setlist after releasing the new album. I wouldn't count the songs on KtA and KtA II, since that kind of stuff never gets played live.
Also, what are you complaining about? Rush played two songs that they haven't played for years (2112, Natural Science). They also played longer. Also, don't you want to hear them play the new stuff live? I don't know about you, but before I went to see them on this tour, I didn't hear any of TFE played live. What, did you get a private invitation to listen to them in the studio?
A band that only plays old shit isn't going anywhere. It is living on past glories and using it to survive. Rush still has more to say and I think that they would rather break up than live on past glories.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music "The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity." longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:18:10 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980111181625.28971B-100000@thunder>
Ohh... Fee, trying to live a life thats completely free. You're racing with the wind, you're flirting with death So have a cup of coffee and catch your breath!
....I hate slicing nipples! OUCH!
-ponte
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "Decline" of James' voice? Message-ID: <199801120020.AA14021@crl.crl.com>
> Maybe this could be one of the many few reasons for the decline of his > powerful voice????
Uh, what decline? One thing I've noticed about this most recent spate of tourdates and concert reports is that, by and large, James' voice has been pretty darned good. We've seen the phrase "his voice was spot-on" more than we've seen "he sounded a little tired" this time around. I was right on the front barricade at all thre shows I saw, so it was harder for me to judge, but I didn't notice any serious flubs, nor did anyone else reporting here on those shows.
-- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence vanyel@crl.com | I set out watching from above ICQ #4151223 | The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found Dream Theater --> I fell in love to be let down
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:21:49 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 1997 Ytsejam Album contest results on UACM Message-ID: <34B9621D.66E4EAA6@sydney.net>
Mark Bredius wrote:
> Oh yeah... I've been listening to Queensryche's "Hear In The Now > Frontier" a lot lately... All I can say is, boy that puppy rox ! > Funny how *well* it did on the Ytsejam Album contest, since it's > their "sell out" album and all. ;-)
Itchy my man you just gotta stop listening to all that 'grunge' it's gonna corrupt your mind and drive you insane or is this just a taste before you get stuck into the Nirvana, Soundgarden and Bush albums ?
graham :)
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:25:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog cliche #42 Message-ID: <199801120025.AA14175@crl.crl.com>
Some recent band reviews here just make this even funnier.... :)
PROG CLICHE #42:
The typical prog band can be described with: "Outstanding musicianship! However, the singer might take a little getting used to...."
-- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence vanyel@crl.com | I set out watching from above ICQ #4151223 | The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found Dream Theater --> I fell in love to be let down
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:54:32 -0600 From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Yikes... Message-ID: <199801120054.QAA00795@odin.ax.com>
>By the way, James smokes!! I met him once in Amsterdam (the day of the >MELKWEG concert) in Amsterdam in..... a " cofffeeshop".
and i'd almost have to guess that he was smoking Egbert Douwe's Drum ;-) i can't imagine anyone smoking anything else.
yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:35:43 -0700 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MP Message-ID: <000d01bd1efa$67b7d4c0$3f2746cf@sir.micron.net>
>. As a casual >observer confided in me the other day, "Dream Theater is probably just >Mike's band." heheh. And even if it is, I couldn't love 'em any more. = :)
ahem. I believe the "casual observer" that burny refers to would be mysel= f. I already had the idea that Mike was the "leader" (for lack of a better term) of the band, but the Christmas CD just confirmed my beliefs. This = is a very good thing though. The drummer should be the guy that takes charge. I've never had the privilege of working with a drummer that I considered = to be a take charge kinda guy and it's a shame. The drummer should be the o= ne to decide which song to play, when to start, when to have a showoff drum solo, and stuff like that. It makes it a lot easier than if the guitaris= t is the leader and he has to be telling the drummer what to play. "No righ= t there you need to go boom pshh cha cha kuh thubthubthubthub."
In other news, me and burny got together over the weekend and recorded a little tune by the name of "Eve." It should be available on the web befo= re too long. I very much recommend giving it a listen. :) If I do say so myself, some of Washburn's keys on this song are sick.
It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot!
woot=99 from Blammo!=AE
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:48:46 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3439 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980111204846.006adafc@postoffice.ptd.net>
At 11:34 PM 1/10/98 -0800, Shane Woolcock wrote:
>Last night I made a 'persuasion' tape - a tape full of DT songs, which I'll >lend to people to try and make them a DT fan. I was wondering what other >people would put on their tapes (90 min). "
Side A: 1) ACOS (23:06) 2) Take the Time (7:4?) 3) Trial of Tears (13:0?)
Side B: 1) AMBI (20:0?) 2) Burning My Kitchen in the Sand (21:??) 3) Surrounded (4:22)
cArPe DiEm, bRiAn
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:58:45 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: set lists Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980111205843.0068a118@mail.ici.net>
>Well after listening to the Xmas CD, I thought I heard alot of cool >stuff that wasn't included in FII. It seems Shirley was rather dominent >and wanted what he wanted.
Heaven forbid DT should ever play anything cool and not record it for us. Of course, it must have been the evil dictator Shirley's fault, everyone knows that once DT goes into the studio, they surrender all creative control to the almighty producer.
Perhaps that was a tad melodramatic, but it irks me no end that every discussion about a perceived fault with FII is laid at the feet of the record company, Kevin Shirley, Desmond Child, or all of the above. Maybe the *band* just thought that some of the cool bits just didn't "fit".
>So I think that the record companies are requiring bands to play either >a certain percentage of songs off of new CD's or bands are two lazy to >relearn old stuff that people actually want to hear.
Yeah, that's it. It couldn't be that the band likes the new material, and wants to expose the fans to it live.
>Come on - you gotta think 75% of >the people at the shows already have or heard stuff from the new album.
Well, to take this argument to the extreme, I'd have to think that about 100% of the people at the shows have heard *something* by the band before, so why bother playing at all?
The fact of the matter is, no band that has more than 2 or 3 albums out can play a set that will make every fan happy. Heck, I've been mildly disappointed at 2 of the last 3 DT shows I've gone to, because they didn't play something I was hoping for. One of them was a band decision, the other was because of the venue (the encore got cut). You just gotta take what you get and realize that (generally) when a band is touring around a new album, they're gonna focus on that material. Look at the HFTH and FF96 shows by DT - what a great mix of material they did at those. _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:02:57 -0500 From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (jemmons) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Falling into Infinity Message-ID: <v01540b02b0dee2dc47a5@[204.210.205.93]>
Hey Ytsejammers!
I had a few quick questions that I hope someone can answer for me. First, I was curious if anyone knows if there will be a single from FII, which will have the Bonus tracks on the Japanese Cd. I know where to get the Japanese Cd, so that's not the problem, just that I need to know whether I have to spend too much money for the import or wait for a single instead.
Also, speaking of cds, I never got my Christmas cd yet..anyone else have this problem? I know I just renewed my subscription, so is there a place I can write on the internet that might get me a faster reply to whether or not I will be getting one?
And finally, I was wondering if there will be FII TAB book. I was delighted to see Burining my Soul in Guitar magazine, so I was hoping there are plans for a book, like in the past. Does anyone know where I can order the other two books Awake, and I&W? I live in Canton, Ohio, does anyone know if there is a certain place I can check for the book, beside my local guitar shops? Perhaps someone can send me the publisher's address?
Thanks for all your help and time!
Maria
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- And when you're near the end and there's a stranger where there once was a friend and you are left without a word only the whispers that you've overheard
~Dave Gilmour
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