YTSEJAM Digest 3436
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3429
by Jon Dery <"metropolis@net1plus.com"@net1plus.com>
2) Read: Bitching and more....
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
3) Re: Quadrupple spacing
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Quadrupple spacing The Fire Speaks her mind
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
5) Chuck E. Cheese?
by "Eddie the Flying Gimp" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
6) Enuff is Z'nuff
by Charlie Korch <korch@bellsouth.net>
7) The verdict is in
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
8) Re: Quadrupple spacing
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
9) Re: Tangerine Dreams
by Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
10) Read: Bitching and more....
by Mark Jacobs <mjacobs@execpc.com>
11) Netherlands
by Jeroen Bakker <jbakker@bart.nl>
12) my first DT experience
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
13) Re: Review of Hollow Years single
by Gonzo1298 <Gonzo1298@aol.com>
14) re : Tangerine Dream
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
15) Videos
by "Rosenfeld" <rose@galilee.org.il>
16) Xmas CD Spoiler/Portnoy plays piaNO?
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
17) DT vocals
by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:25:30 -0500
From: Jon Dery <"metropolis@net1plus.com"@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3429
Message-ID: <199801100527.VAA13811@odin.ax.com>
WARNING: The following could be considered a Xmas CD spolier...
O.k. I have to get this off my chest: The "improvised solo" that Derek
takes before they play Anna Lee on the Xmas CD is neither improvised nor
a solo. It is a song. Actually to be more specific: It is a Rick
Wakeman tune. If my memory serves me correctly, it is the first track
off his "Six Wives of Henry VIII" album.
"Wakeman is *the* cat"-- Derek Sherinian
Jon Dery
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:47:36 -0500
From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Read: Bitching and more....
Message-ID: <01BD1D6B.FCF717C0@ppp-25-ts4.nerdc.ufl.edu>
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:00 PST
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Quadrupple spacing
Message-ID: <19980110065202.28828.qmail@hotmail.com>
I know that my messages are the fault of the "quadruple spacing"
incident, but I did not do it intentionally. When I typed my messages,
I only pushed the return key twice between lines. Why an extra line got
included is a mystery to me.
If someone would like to enlighten me, please do.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a
kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame.
Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"That's it! Genie, MAKE ME A GOD!!!" Liquid Television-Genie Junkie
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:14:37 -0800
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Quadrupple spacing The Fire Speaks her mind
Message-ID: <34B71FDD.23E8@pacbell.net>
Yeah but those are still too many spaces....what are you going
for....Most Frequent poster????? Or Most Frequent Flamee???
Eric LaRue wrote:
>
> I know that my messages are the fault of the "quadruple spacing"
> incident, but I did not do it intentionally. When I typed my messages,
> I only pushed the return key twice between lines. Why an extra line got
> included is a mystery to me.
>
> If someone would like to enlighten me, please do.
>
> Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a
> kiss,
>
> Eric Paul LaRue
>
> "Take hold of the flame.
>
> Don't you see life's a game?
>
> So take hold of the flame.
>
> You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
>
> Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
>
> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
>
> "That's it! Genie, MAKE ME A GOD!!!" Liquid Television-Genie Junkie
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
-- Hearts away.......Coldfire coldfire@pacbell.net ICQ: 4656934 http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/haight/25
"And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye."
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:38:10 -0700 From: "Eddie the Flying Gimp" <washburn@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Chuck E. Cheese? Message-ID: <01bd1d9a$b30a2ec0$83e21ace@korgx3>
>Does cheese= selling out? Does that mean that Kenny G. is a sellout? And >whose cheese are we talking about anyway?
Egad! What's with all the Kenny G bullshit I keep reading about anyway? I hope you don't think Kenny G listeners are cheese, too, because you'd need a HUGE fuckin' ritz cracker to plop me on.
Washburn
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:53:14 -0500 From: Charlie Korch <korch@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enuff is Z'nuff Message-ID: <34B728EA.6ED2@bellsouth.net>
>>Does cheese= selling out? Does that mean that Kenny G. is a sellout? And whose cheese are we talking about anyway? <<
By "selling out" I mean playing a specific style just to make a profit. Not to be creative.
>>What do you mean by "benefit?" Are you referring to being "influenced" by someone?<<
By "benefit" I mean the attempt to acquire money. Being influenced is a creative decision, to strive to become rich is a finacial decision.
>>If so, than DT must be sellouts, as is every musician playing today because everybody is influencing everybody else.<<
I already explained this in the statement above.
>> you originally labeled Enuff Z'Nuff as sellouts because of their IMAGE (make-up, etc), not the music. So which is it?<<
Both. If you ask me, their music is cliche. I have heard this music a million times before, if this music makes you happy so be it. They seem to write formulas instad of songs. I like to be surprised, I don't like to be able to predict the next measure of the song without any effort whatsoever. >>No offense, but every band "portrays" an image to a certain extent, even those that just wear jeans and t-shirts. That's called reality.<<
In reality everyone does have an image but when your image takes presidence over the music that is selling out(IMHO).
>>I guess every band is a sellout then (one could possibly make an argument for that, I guess).<<
NO. Once again, if a band stives for commercial success while ignoring their creative abilities they would be considered a sellout.
>>And if a band happens to have an original image (ie. KISS, though I'm sure someone here will disagree with me) are they selling out?<<
Once again, sellingout is adopting an already proven lucrative commodity. KISS tried something new and it worked. They created the image not mimicked an image.
Charlie
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:50:37 -0500 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The verdict is in Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980110015037.006a49b0@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>> I think Phish did a song about DT's latest album many years >> ago...anyone > >You Enjoy Myself? Fast Enough For You? Is this supposed to be easy to >figure out?!!
It's quite obviously "Fluffhead". Referring to Mike...y'know. Because his hair is...fluffy...doh.
To anyone who cares --
The 50-some-year-old woman/grandmother/Metallica fan to whom my friend lent two DT discs (I&W and FII)...she liked them.
As the old proverb goes, it takes all sorts to build a fanbase.
Brian "One Post Wonder" Henderson
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:09:02 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Quadrupple spacing Message-ID: <34B72C9E.65C37E99@sydney.net>
Eric LaRue wrote: > > I know that my messages are the fault of the "quadruple spacing" > incident, but I did not do it intentionally. When I typed my messages, > I only pushed the return key twice between lines. Why an extra line got > included is a mystery to me. > > If someone would like to enlighten me, please do.
Why not hit the return key once perhaps, everyone else seems to be able to manage that :) And the 50 or so signature, what about that ?
graham
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:25:51 +0100 From: Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tangerine Dreams Message-ID: <34B73E9F.52D8@speed.eik.bme.hu>
> >I'd be curious to know which TD the poster was referring to. Just from > >the sheer volume of the stuff they've put out, I wouldn't know where to > >start :) > > Thanks for the post Jon, I was just going to send the same type message. > > Peter saying he has heard Tangerine Dream once before is like someone > saying they heard YNM and think that DT sounds like an 80's rock band.
Oh, sorry, I forgot to say it was a 2 hours show last year and I was invited by a friend. If I go to a DT show I'm sure that I wouldn't sleep since the middle of the show... :)
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:18:28 -0600 From: Mark Jacobs <mjacobs@execpc.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Read: Bitching and more.... Message-ID: <01BD1D78.64671480@ibanjji-41.mdm.mad.execpc.com>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:05:27 +0100 From: Jeroen Bakker <jbakker@bart.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Netherlands Message-ID: <34B755F6.FC63C5AF@bart.nl>
Yo Jammers,
Just back from a business trip to Hong Kong, and whishing you all a rockin' new year!!
First disappointment in the new year.... I still did not revcieve my X-mas (??) Cd through the Dutch fanclub. Any other jammers have the same "problem"?
By the way, James smokes!! I met him once in Amsterdam (the day of the MELKWEG concert) in Amsterdam in..... a " cofffeeshop". Got his autograph though, and his voice was really good that night!! (As you can hear on the Boot of that concert). Better named that boot HIGH LIVE ......
C.U.
Jeroen
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:10:26 PST From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: my first DT experience Message-ID: <19980110141026.24010.qmail@hotmail.com>
I was in a record store trying to find an album by some heavy band.(forgot the band name)When I didnīt find it I got pissed off and decided that:"Goddammit, Iīm going to buy an album today, I donīt care what it is"So I saw the cover of Awake and the band name Dream Theater hit me, so I decided:"what the hell, Iīll buy it"When I started listening to it, I was blown away because that was the first time I heard prog.It made me realize how bad drummer I was, because up to that point I had only been listening heavy.Dream Theater opened me up to different musical styles like Jazz and classical.I am forever in their debt.
-Vilzu-
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:29:48 EST From: Gonzo1298 <Gonzo1298@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Review of Hollow Years single Message-ID: <cc679865.34b785dd@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-05 21:16:59 EST, you write:
<< You or Me is great! It is at least 100 times better than You NOT Me. This recording confirms all of my suspicions about Desmond Child's doctoring of the song. Before, I thought that _MAYBE_ Desmond hadn't really changed too much, and that maybe it was just a weak song to begin with. But no! Every single thing that I don't like about You NOT Me was Desmond Child's doing (assuming that any changes between this recording of You OR Me and the final You NOT Me are completely his fault). I'll spare you a detailed analysis of the song, and just say this: You OR Me sounds like a single, coherent Dream Theater song, which flows smoothly from beginning to end. It's not their best work, but not near their worst. You NOT Me (in my opinion) sounds like it was loosely patched together from pieces of a really bad Dream Theater song (if such a thing exists) and pieces of a really bad Aerosmith song. >>
Sorry, but I like the FII version 100 times better. I mean that chorus is killer!!! It's a great pop song. I guess if you don't like really good pop then maybe the demo is for you. The demo version drags quite a lot. The FII version really attacks like the rest of the CD. I keep seeing on here how much everyone hates YNM. Bottom line here is very obvious...if Desmond Child was never even mentioned as having helped write this...everyone would be praising this song like the rest of the CD. I'm sure no one will admit it but it's very obvious. I'm not a fan of Desmond Child but if someone, whomever it is, can boost a song in this way, then it's a win-win situation.
Gonzo
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:39:37 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re : Tangerine Dream Message-ID: <34B806B9.1550@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
>Jon is right, there are over 40 albums out by TD. I would start with >Optical Race. That was the first one I heard and I took to it. I'm >surprised nobody has mentioned them before on this list since I've >joined. Hell, if we can talk about Metallica on this site, why can't we >discuss some TD?
I have mentioned Tangerine Dream a lot. There where also sometimes in my TOP 10 ALBUMS of the week. I've also mentioned Jean Michel Jarre a lot.
But since my best friend Graham Boyle (if only I could understand what his problem with me is) has mailed so many negativ things about me and my top 10, I've decided to keep it away. I don't want to start a flame war.
TD have actually more then 60 albums (including all the great soundtracks). All albums in the last 30 years are different to each other. But I think, that Kevin Moore's Chroma Key sounds different. I've heard some demos and I must say it sounds like Industrial music (IMO).
His album "DEAD AIR FOR RADIOS" should be out in Europe before April.
Has anybody more informations about the release date for Chroma Key ?
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:42:47 +0200 From: "Rosenfeld" <rose@galilee.org.il> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Videos Message-ID: <199801101546.HAA11751@geocities.com>
Hi!
Can anyone help me find videos of Jason Becker, Cacophony, Symphony X (????), Yngwie (from his early Rising Force era) and that's kind of stuff.
If anyone has this stuff please email me at: rosenvel@global.co.za
Thanks. Avi
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:04:32 -0500 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Xmas CD Spoiler/Portnoy plays piaNO? Message-ID: <34B7B830.2FE9B1E2@caribe.net>
Hm... didnt know portnoy could play a little piano!
have you noticed in track 11, writing the hells kitchen finale, aside from all the "directing" portnoy is doing..at about 3:00 min , he says something like.. "here, lemme get on the piano.." and starts doing the rest with petrucci???
Cool huh?
--
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT vocals Message-ID: <199801101708.JAA18157@odin.ax.com>
Yes, it seem like a lot of people don't like JLB's voice. And come to think of it, I didn't either when I first started listening to DT. But is seriously grows on you and now I just love it. Even though it could have been better on FII. He really should use his vibrato, because without he sounds too weak. With it he sounds spectacular.
No animal would be so arrogant as to feel perfectly safe... 'Profit'
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