YTSEJAM Digest 3434
Today's Topics:
1) re: Andrews worst album choices
by Christopher A Milne <cmilne@wam.umd.edu>
2) Tangerine Dream
by krackley@weidmuller.com
3) Portnoy doing a Peart
by Eric Heisserer <erich@apqc.org>
4) Uncovered bootleg
by Fernando Yokota <yokota@intervale.com.br>
5) RE: docs' mess..
by Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3430
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
7) Re: Yngwie Malmsteen news !!!
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
8) Sellouts!
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
9) Re: Uncovered bootleg
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
10) Release date for the Liquid Tension Project.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@dreamt.org>
11) Re: Uncovered bootleg
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
12) Re: Yngwie Malmsteen news !!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: Uncovered bootleg
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) Read: Bitching and more....
by Dan Tarquin <dant@webspan.net>
15) The Spize Girlz
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:48:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher A Milne <cmilne@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Andrews worst album choices
Message-ID: <199801092048.PAA14958@rac3.wam.umd.edu>
You have some good choices, but I belive you're way off on
Fates Warning : Pleasant Shade of Gray...have you seen them live?
Are you previously a fan?
Chris
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:48:14 -0500
From: krackley@weidmuller.com
Subject: Tangerine Dream
Message-ID: <199801092148.QAA00148@mail.weidmuller.com>
>Jon Parmet wrote:
>That's cool, but denying the possibility what the
>person said might be based in truth ain't cool! I'm sure the other guy
>likes Kevin, and wasn't just saying it for the sake of shooting his
>mouth off.
>I'd be curious to know which TD the poster was referring to. Just from
the sheer
>volume of the stuff they've put out, I wouldn't know where to start :)
Thanks for the post Jon, I was just going to send the same type message.
Peter saying he has heard Tangerine Dream once before is like someone
saying they heard YNM and think that DT sounds like an 80's rock band.
Jon is right, there are over 40 albums out by TD. I would start with
Optical Race. That was the first one I heard and I took to it. I'm
surprised nobody has mentioned them before on this list since I've
joined. Hell, if we can talk about Metallica on this site, why can't we
discuss some TD?
>Jon Dery wrote:
>Again this is not a bad thing, but I am one of
>those people who would love to see them 2 or 3 nights in a row and get a
>different show every night.
Shit, I am one of those people who would love to see them ONE night live.
Be happy you're seeing them at all. Talk about nit-picking.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:05:15 -0600
From: Eric Heisserer <erich@apqc.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Portnoy doing a Peart
Message-ID: <l03020900b0dbfa3dd214@[205.219.25.58]>
Just this second finished listening to ACOS... Man what an epic piece.
That climax, with the high piano keys, just kicks ass. And it's just about
the only track that I can catch Derek doing real solo work. I need to hear
more of Derek as a soloist if I'm to compare him realistically to KM.
Question to you drummers: I'm pretty sure MP is mimicking one of Neal
Peart's fills at the end of ACOS, but I can't seem to remember the Rush
song. Am I right? If so, which one is it?
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Eric Heisserer
APQC
erich@apqc.org
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:59:57 -0200
From: Fernando Yokota <yokota@intervale.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Uncovered bootleg
Message-ID: <34B69DDC.5168F7CC@intervale.com.br>
Hi there,
my name is Fernando and I'm from Brazil. I've subscribed the list a few
months ago just to learn more about DT. This is my first message and,
well, here we go. I'd just like to know if somebody here have or
listened to the Uncovered (I'm not sure if it's the name) bootleg. The
guy from the store said something about a double CD bootleg only with
covers. He also said that the sound isn't 100% good.
Can anybody give me a hand (And sorry for my poor English. It really
sucks!)?
Thanks!
Fernando Yokota
yokota@intervale.com.br
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:10:23 -0700
From: Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: docs' mess..
Message-ID: <01BD1D10.B60C8D00@Production1.NBCI.Net>
]From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
: Re: Bitching and more....
On the Eve of Destruction, Dr replied to:
>added constructive criticism to a very talented band doesn't mean the band
>has failed or recorded a poor tune.
Shit still smells like shit no matter how much perfume you dab on it.
>I would be willing to bet that if he was never mentioned alot of you
>"critics" would have a different view of the song.
Moot point... noted... -1 to score..
Inflated egos are great aren't they!
Opinions and opinions and more opinions.............The fact that people
know who helped arrange the song has tainted it, and made an excuse to
place blame for reasons that I just don't understand and probably don't
care to.
>Doesn't selling out mean going mainstream and selling lots of CD's and
>becoming unbelievably popular, lots of radio play, MTv, etc....
>Well two out of the three listed did not "sell out". All that they did
was
>release new material that sounded different from the previous.
Not necessarily... they "attempted" to sell out, but failed miserably... QR
that is... makes them twice the losers they are...
I think that they just tried something different (for them) and it didn't
work out. I am not saying that HiTNF is their best release, which we all
agree that it is not, but I still like it.
So I guess that anyone that tries something different and it comes out in
an unexpected (negative) way is a loser, that is according to you.
Well I definitely don't agree.
Eric from Denver
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The original author of the _bitching and more_ -- "Eric S P Parker" --
has
an option turned on in his mail program to notify him when his colleagues
read the mail he sends. He's using this same "Office oriented" email
I apologize to everyone. I was having job security problems, I have reset
my options. Once again I am sorry :(
Later
Eric
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:12:46 +0000
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3430
Message-ID: <19980109120543.AAA15084@sni.pananet.com>
> I think Phish did a song about DT's latest album many years ago...anyone
> remember what it was called??
>
uhhh, 'The Squirming Coil" ? Oh no, sorry, thats about Derek ;)
> From: "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
> Subject: The Porcelain Drum
"The Porcelain Drum"...hmmm, mind if i steal that for a future song
title? A spoof on "The Talking Drum" maybe...
Ern
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:19:13 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yngwie Malmsteen news !!!
Message-ID: <34B6A261.97127AE6@sydney.net>
Arash Ashouriha wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Here the latest Yngwie Malmsteen news :
>
> Yngwie has signed a new international deal with Mercury records.
> His latest album "Facing The Animal" will be released worl wide very soon.
Does anyone really care about Yngwie these days ?
I got sick of his music about 5 years ago, average song writing
and a horrible (same) fast un melodic solo in just about every song.
Guys like Timo Tolkki leave Yngwie for dead and are great songwriters.
Having said this it will be interesting to hear the Concerto album
to see if he can control himself :)
graham
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:25:17 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sellouts!
Message-ID: <85256587.0075A182.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Enuff Z' Nuff did not sell out. I am neither a fand nor close friend of
the band, but I know the members pretty well, living in their area...<<
Do they smoke as much pot as they say they do
(i.e. Admitted proudly by Chip Z'Nuff) on the Howard Stern show)?
>>they have ALWAYS BEEN the way they are.<<
Then in my opinion they have always been a sellout.
>>To play like Poison before Poison existed is not selling out... it's
just the way they've always been.<<
I once heard Chip Z'Nuff on Howard Stern and he said that the image
that the band "portrayed" hurt them in the long run. I feel that
"portraying" is a form of selling out. When an artist "portrays" they
stop being original. Let it be known, that I don't hate Enuff Z'Nuff,
but I don't like them either. There are a lot of bands out there that are
100 times worse (don't even get me started on Everclear).
Charlie
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:24:55 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Uncovered bootleg
Message-ID: <34B6A3B7.F9ABC6E5@sydney.net>
Fernando Yokota wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> my name is Fernando and I'm from Brazil. I've subscribed the list a few
> months ago just to learn more about DT. This is my first message and,
> well, here we go. I'd just like to know if somebody here have or
> listened to the Uncovered (I'm not sure if it's the name) bootleg. The
> guy from the store said something about a double CD bootleg only with
> covers. He also said that the sound isn't 100% good.
>
> Can anybody give me a hand (And sorry for my poor English. It really
> sucks!)?
If you are talking about the Uncovered bootleg that is on Kobra records
(Krcd 08/9) then the quality is quite good, it contains the full
Uncovered show, plus various demo's.
graham
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:43:58 -0500
From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Release date for the Liquid Tension Project.
Message-ID: <01bd1d50$12bce380$64dfcdcf@w-ostrich-1>
The release date of the LTP is February 24th.
just thought you kids would want to know.
- mike.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:50:16 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Uncovered bootleg
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980109204531.28338C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Fernando Yokota wrote:
> my name is Fernando and I'm from Brazil. I've subscribed the list a few
Hummm... Well, it seems that the fanbase here in Brazil is getting
bigger very fast, huh?
> months ago just to learn more about DT. This is my first message and,
> well, here we go. I'd just like to know if somebody here have or
> listened to the Uncovered (I'm not sure if it's the name) bootleg. The
> guy from the store said something about a double CD bootleg only with
> covers. He also said that the sound isn't 100% good.
Yeah, I have it and I rate it as a B+ boot (with some moments
rated as A-). It is a soundboard which has probably been recorded on an
analog tape and then transferred to CD. It has some hiss (well, I think
that the background noise is really annoying during those slow passages,
such as Rush's "Tears").
If you want a copy of it, drop me a mail and we can trade...
> Can anybody give me a hand (And sorry for my poor English. It really
> sucks!)?
Nobody cares if your English is good or not as long as you post
interesting things.
> Thanks!
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:56:24 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Yngwie Malmsteen news !!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980109205211.28338D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Graham Boyle wrote:
> Does anyone really care about Yngwie these days ?
I don't know about you guys, but I know 4 of his albums and they are all different, I think (but I confess that I only paid real attention to "Rising Force"). The others that I know are "Magnum Opus", "Inspiration" and "Odyssey" (I think). The best is "Rising Force" and the songs with lyrics aren't as interesting as the instrumental ones.
> Having said this it will be interesting to hear the Concerto album > to see if he can control himself :)
Well, that must be very interesting. But I'd like to know if the concerto will be a concerto for orchestra and guitar or if there will be other instruments soloing...
> graham
[]s, Roger...
NP: Jethro Tull -- "20 Years of Jethro Tull"
I love this flute!!!! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:04:18 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Uncovered bootleg Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980109205633.28338E-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Graham Boyle wrote:
> If you are talking about the Uncovered bootleg that is on Kobra records > (Krcd 08/9) then the quality is quite good, it contains the full > Uncovered show, plus various demo's.
Ugh! Do you think the sound quality of that one is good?!? Of course, we have no better bootleg from that show, but it is OK at most, IMO. If you want to hear a *GOOD* bootleg, then you should listen to Megadeth's "Live at Ferrocarril Oeste", the final show from the Youthanasia tour. I have seen no bootleg as good as this one.
It is *THE* perfect bootleg. It leaves both "The Dance of Eternity" and "Lost in the Sky" in the smoke!!! It is also much better than Metallica's "Destroyer" 3 CD set (which people agree is one of the best bootlegs ever made).
Just for your own reference, it has the same quality of Metallica's "Live Shit: Binge & Purge" box. And it is a bootleg. Marcelo Vanzin (another brazilian 'jammer) came here at home and also was surprised to see what a cool sounding bootleg it is.
And it has "Holy Wars" :-) I really think that Capitol Records should contact the person who produced this CD and hire him (or the group of people that made it) to produce more live CDs. The perfect soundboard recording. If you want to read more about it, point your browser to <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html> and follow the link to this bootleg.
> graham
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:18:02 -0500 From: Dan Tarquin <dant@webspan.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Read: Bitching and more.... Message-ID: <01BD1D29.486B5420@usr2-08.mor.nj.webspan.net>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Spize Girlz Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980109180859.23546A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> ------------------------------ > From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> > Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3424 > > > Brandon scribbled... > > > >> >Radio only plays what their listeners want > >> >to hear. Same with MTV. > >> Who are these listeners?!?!? > >> Spice Girls sold like 15 million cds, but I don't know anyone who has > >> one. > > > >That's because every owner of a Spice Girls CD denies that he owns one. > > > >Actually, if it's a "he", the disc usually can't be opened because of the > >booklet being sticky... :)
> >Steve Z. wrote... > > > >> >>The funniest part was afterward when she wanted James to sign her breasts > >> and James, the good married man that he is, opted to sign her hand > >> instead<< > >>
Welllll... not only do I not own any Spice Girlz CD's, but when I met Sporty Spice, I asked her to sign my breasts. Really!!
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+ Every man, you see, is born beneath the sword Damocles, For young and old are all alive on that next beat on which we ride, And that beat is such a fragile thing, in both old men and youthful king, And that beat stands all alone, you see, between us and black eternity, And until that time, when death won't wait, let each man rage against, his fate.-- Savatage _The Wake of Magellan_ +=====================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
PS No, not really.
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