YTSEJAM Digest 3433
Today's Topics:
1) Re: tape trading
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) Green Jello and some DTC.
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
3) Ok, sit back and relax, this won't hurt a bit :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) Re: music knowledge a prerequisite?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
5) Re: tape trading
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
6) RE: IMO
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
7) alternative?
by belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) 1st DT Experience
by Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no>
9) Re: A Few Tings To Blaze You Wif
by Jon Dery <"metropolis@net1plus.com"@net1plus.com>
10) pussy spice and elp
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
11)
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
12) AW: First Time You Heard DT / Do you know Matalex?
by Stefan Schulz <stefan.schulz@duesseldorf.netsurf.de>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3422
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
14) Non-musician fan
by Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com>
15) Yngwie Malmsteen news !!!
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
16) My top 17 favorite alphanumerics
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
17) well well well
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:17:12 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: tape trading
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980109151443.26803A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Michael Burstin wrote:
> no idea if this is reliable or not.
I don't know how many of you are subscribed to te DAT-Heads list
(even though I don't have a DAT player/recorder, I think that is a great
list) and this was the subject of 50% of the posts to the list for, say,
the last 10 days.
I think it is true that the RIAA is trying to cut down the number
of people trading tapes (Unfortunately)...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:25:32 -0500 From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Green Jello and some DTC. Message-ID: <34B65D8B.85B0E556@disknet.com>
> I got into DT when I heard PMU on the radio. To show you how god awful the > musical climate was, I bought the "3 little pigs" single by Green Jello on the > same day!
Hey, I have that Green Jello CD! Say what you want about them, but the video for "Three Little Pigs" has to be one of the best ever made. Very creative claymation and very funny too. Am I the only one who remembers this classic video?? And nobody makes better fun of them, than the band themselves, as proven in their song "Green Jello Sucks!"
Obligatory DTC: The "Three Little Pigs" video was getting rotation on the Headbangers Ball at the same time that "Pull Me Under" was. Which is how I got into DT....yadda, yadda, yadda...... ;^)
~Matt
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:28:49 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ok, sit back and relax, this won't hurt a bit :) Message-ID: <34B65E51.6113@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I've heard TD once and I think that's the most boring music since Jean > M. Jarre!
Hmmm, they do have a lot of ambient sounding stuff, so I could see where some may get bored. This however, is not the same thing as categorically dismissing the poster's claim that he hears TD in Kevin's "Unique" sound. Surfing over to a Tangerine Dream site at
http://www.netstore.de/tadream/samples/tddisco.html
I noticed they have somewhere on the order of 40+ albums out! Listening to the group once, in my sarcastic and rude opinion :), gives your attempt at invalidating it very little weight. It's rather obvious that you just like Kevin to the point where, like many others on the list, will deny anything said about him that you interpret as negative. That's cool, but denying the possibilty what the person said might be based in truth ain't cool! I'm sure the other guy likes Kevin, and wasn't just saying it for the sake of shooting his mouth off. I for one would at least give the benefit of the doubt. Believe me, I like Kevin, I like Kevin's playing,I like Kevin's contribution, I like Kevin's lyrics, I like Kevin's new stuff, I like Kevin's use of Korg, I like hearing that Kevin's using Kurzweil synths, GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! I like sitting in my car, lighting a cig, and failing to escape that sound. I DON'T always like turning the music down :)
I like all things Kevin
heheheheh
I'd be curious to know which TD (I haven't heard much of their stuff either, occasionally on some of the radio stations that play fusion/jazz/prog stuff) the poster was referring to. Just from the sheer volume of the stuff they've put out, I wouldn't know where to start :)
*------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:27:59 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: music knowledge a prerequisite? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980109152728.26803B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Eric Heisserer wrote:
> Do you have to be a musician (prof/amateur) to get into DT? I hope not.
Hey, I'm a musician!
I play CDs very well.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:36:53 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: tape trading Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980109123653.00eb12e0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
At 07:02 PM 1/8/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi all, and sorry for the CCs here, but kinda important news. I read >something about trading of tapes, and it is kinda disturbing, where >the Recording Industry Association of America actually went after a >trader. Full story is at: >http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/9532.html > >no idea if this is reliable or not.
I heard about this story about 2 weeks ago from an avid Bruce trader, so apparently it is true. It's causing quite a stir among Bruce traders. This article mentions that the RIAA doesn't usually persue an investigation unless the artist(s) requests one. I find it hard to believe that Springsteen would inflict an investigation from the RIAA, and if he would, he's truly sad. When was the last time he even released anything?
KAI
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:44:39 EST From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: IMO Message-ID: <199801091745.JAA05137@odin.ax.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 01-09-98 11:26
<From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
<Also, what the (interesting combination of salivation and words beginning <with F here) does IMO mean?
IMO = In My Opinion
See-ya Shawn
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: alternative? Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980109124104.10049A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Charlie Korch wrote:
> What exactly do you consider alternative? Isn't alternative what the > majority isn't listening to? If REM and Pearl Jam sell millions of records > they are no longer alternative in my book.
Yes, but they are still classified as alternative. When people use this word (nowadays) they are referring to the mainstream (Cracker, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Dishwalla, etc.). These bands are not really alternative, but many use that label to describe these bands.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:58:47 GMT+1 From: Kyrre Trohjell <Kyrre.Trohjell@sek.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 1st DT Experience Message-ID: <35236387CB6@humanistisk.hd.uib.no>
The first time I heard DT was at this birthday party back in '92. A friend of me was already a DT freak, (I suspect he had followed them since 89) (Staale fra Ski, leser du dette? Mail meg!), and he played the tape he had broght the whole time. He would be sitting next to the cassette deck winding and rewinding the tape, playing those crazy guitar/keyboard parts over and over, yelling: "Man, check this out! This is just crazy." Knowing I was (and still is) a big Vai fan, he would, at every Vai-ish humbucky run say "He's better than Vai". I would answer "Well, he does a good job imitating Vai". Staale would then get very offended, and he said: "Petrucci imitates noone!"
Well, anyway, I bought the CD (IaW), the first time I came across it and I loved it instantly, and I still do.
Cya!
Kyrre
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:20:44 -0500 From: Jon Dery <"metropolis@net1plus.com"@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Few Tings To Blaze You Wif Message-ID: <199801091822.KAA05733@odin.ax.com>
Bafu wrote:
> I think Phish did a song about DT's latest album many years > ago...anyone
You Enjoy Myself? Fast Enough For You? Is this supposed to be easy to figure out?!!
> I can't complain about hearing the same DT songs night after night if > they also do a Deep Purple cover one night, a Hendrix cover another > night, a Nirvana cover another night, a fast as all hell remix of > "Ytsejam" every night, an extra solo in "Scarred" every night, etc. > etc. etc.
You have a point, but have you been following the current tour closely? This really has not been the case. Aside from the occasional Nightmare Cinema bit and the Derek/Punk Rock routine, there has been very little variety in the setlist. Again this is not a bad thing, but I am one of those people who would love to see them 2 or 3 nights in a row and get a different show every night. Automatically DT's live image would improve. People would go to see them not knowing at all what they were going to play.
> For a one-time-only performance, I think "Bombay Vindaloo" > kicks huge big ass.
Yeah but as far as I know, this is the only time they have had a *totally* improvised jam that has never been played again on another night. Obviously they are very good at it and I wish they would do it more often.
> And when was the last time LaBrie repeated "What is this, a fucking > circus?!"
When I went to se them on the first show of the FII tour, he said something like "Have a good night everybody. We'll see you next time. We have a new album out called Falling Into Infinity. *BUY* THIS FUCKING THING!!!" A pleasant end to a great show indeed.
My point is that DT puts on a superb live show. Maybe I'm just such a fan of the live environment that Phish creates, but I personally would love to see more variety in their setlists.
Later, Jon Dery
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:51:39 EST From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: pussy spice and elp Message-ID: <ca21245.34b671bb@aol.com>
so the closet spice girls fan are coming out, i see. i still don't have their cd's, but SOMEONE here is going to go see that damn movie on the 23rd. woo- hoo!
someone (yzzy?) mentioned they saw or missed the chance to see elp playing with jeff beck? say what? whoever it was that said, please do tell more about it. i almost had a mini-orgasm when i read that.
ytsegoon
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75a@aol.com dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"can you hear me am i getting through? drowning in a silent sea or only dreaming?" -j. matheos ************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:03:52 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980109110352.006bda60@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Also, isn't LaBrie doing a side project too? What's it called, and is >it out?
Yeah, it's going to be a self-titled, debut album called "LaBrie". It will be produced by Babyface, and will consist of mostly R&B ballads. Will be in the running for "best new r&b solo artist" in the '98 grammys. Rumor has it that he will also be undergoing throat surgery to lower his vocal range by 3 octaves. ;-) - BH
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:15:48 +0100 From: Stefan Schulz <stefan.schulz@duesseldorf.netsurf.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: AW: First Time You Heard DT / Do you know Matalex? Message-ID: <01BD1D3B.564B66E0.stefan.schulz@duesseldorf.netsurf.de>
Hi folks!
The first time I heard DT was in '92 when I&W was released. It was a = video=20 on European's MTV's ( I know it sucks...:-) ) Headbanger's Ball. At = this=20 time I totally was into Slayer etc. The video was PMU and I thought: = "Hey,=20 what kind of sh*t is this? Is this singer castrated? And why is he = wearing=20 a napalm death t-shirt? The keyboarder! More keyboards than he has hands = to=20 manage them! This sucks!"
About one year later I had to realize what a poor, immature, little kid = I=20 had been up to this time. At a friend of mine we listened to Metropolis = and=20 it opened my eyes... Now I can't imagine to be without DT. :-) In March=20 they will be in Germany again. I have to buy a ticket soon. Does anyone=20 know who will be supporting them?
BTW, does anyone know MATALEX? A great German band. They combine jazz,=20 progressive rock, metal, crossover and trip hop in their music. The=20 guitarist had been at berklee, too. Sometimes the sound of them (not the =
music) can be compared to Awake.
Bye, Stefan
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Carlos Alfaro > Gesendet am: Freitag, 9. Januar 1998 00:18 > An: Multiple recipients of list > Betreff: Re: First Time You Heard DT > > > > > Eric Heisserer wrote: > > > Hi gang. New Jammer here. I'm curious to hear how / if everyone = was > > affected the first time you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you = remember=20 the > > moment? > > I remember it was 94' i was in 9th grade in high schoool...a friend of =
mine > lent me awake, which I "heard" but not really listened to..and i hated =
the > vocals.. so i threw it in the back of my moms mini van.. > > then about a year later...he lent me images and words..and = strangely..i=20 loved > it... bought acos on cd, then the back catalogue respectively.. and = .the=20 rest > is history >
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:47:14 EST From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3422 Message-ID: <7eac5a52.34b67ecb@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-08 05:11:48 EST, you write:
<< Even though you might think I'm a Derek fan, I'm actually a Kevin Moore fan, myself. I like the more classical moods of Kevin's playing, but it doesn't give me an unfavorable impression of Derek, either. >>
i totally agree with you. Angellaa
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:52:38 EST From: Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Non-musician fan Message-ID: <d2234ded.34b68008@aol.com>
Someone wrote:
<< Do you have to be a musician (prof/amateur) to get into DT? I hope not. >>
HELLZ no. I'm no musician. Although I was led into the fantastic arena of prog rock and DT in particular by my older cousin, who is a guitar freak and loves JP. So maybe there's a technicality issue. They certainly do kick major ass and I am now on a mission to acquire all musical releases by them (I've been fanatical for a while, but broke - actually, still am, just don't care anymore). I agree that LaBrie shouldn't start concentrating on the lower end of his vocal range. It's neat hearing some growly notes set between his usual high-flyin' style. But that's not what makes him distinctive (the growly stuff). The amazing high notes are.
Alex
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:03:06 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yngwie Malmsteen news !!! Message-ID: <34B7010A.26F@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Here the latest Yngwie Malmsteen news :
Yngwie has signed a new international deal with Mercury records. His latest album "Facing The Animal" will be released worl wide very soon.
Yngiwe's long awaited CONCERTO album will be released on 4th feb in Japan. An international realease will follow very soon.
CONCERTO SUITE FOR ELECTRONIC GUITAR AND ORCHESTRAL IN E-FLAT MINOR OPUS I : MILLENIUM tracklisting :
1)Icarus Dream Fanfare 2)Caraliono Rampant 3)Funge 4)Prelude 5)Toccata 6)Andante 7)Saralante 8)Requiem 9)Vivace 10)Presto Vivace 11)Finale
This great opus is a full classical music with an Orchestral and chours. It promissed to be the best instrumental guitar album ever !!!! I can't wait to hear it.
ARASH -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:14:32 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My top 17 favorite alphanumerics Message-ID: <199801092014.OAA11158@enteract.com>
Enuff Z' Nuff did not sell out. I am neither a fand nor close friend of the band, but I know the members pretty well, living in their area... anyone who would say they sold out is missing the point that they have ALWAYS BEEN the way they are. To play like Poison before Poison existed is not selling out... it's just the way they've always been.
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:23:04 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: well well well Message-ID: <34B68728.42F4@goodnet.com>
I'm startin' to come down off my painkillers now. Holy shit alive, do I ever have a lot of e-mail. This is gonna be a long weekend. :)
How did I first hear DT? I was at a BBS gathering in Mesa one day in late '92 and the radio was on, and I got bored in conversation and started listening to the tunes, and Pull Me Under came on. At this time I was already a deep RMQ guy (Rush Metallica Queensryche) and I was like, "Hey, check this out! This song kicks ASS! Is this new Queensryche or something??"
The radio guy played the song a lot but never identified it. In early '93, someone uploaded DT-PMU.VOC (8bit, 22050 mono) to my old pirate BBS, "Symphony of Destruction", and described it as "the new Dream Theater song". I bought IAW, bought WDADU as an import, saw them live in March and May '93 at Club Rio in Tempe, and the rest was history.
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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