YTSEJAM Digest 3432
Today's Topics:
1) Scandinavian singers and my first time.
by Jason Birzer <Longshot@pressroom.com>
2) Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts
by "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com>
3) Read: Bitching and more....
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
4) waste of space
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
5) "Would you like to sit and talk to me..."
by "Mr. Matt" <MattG@apqc.org>
6) What?
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
7) Enuff Already!
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
8) 1st Time
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
9) Stop it!
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
10) LTP
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
11) C Farley (No DTC)
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
12) Re: Read: Bitching and more....
by "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
13) Kix
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
14) RES: First DT Listen
by Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br>
15)
by "Shawn Donovan" <shawnd@nwlink.com>
16) Lets talk music Jammers
by Andrew <inanna@globalserve.net>
17) Various Replies
by shenanigan@45150.com (Derek Shenanigan)
18) music knowledge a prerequisite?
by Eric Heisserer <erich@apqc.org>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:20:47 -0500
From: Jason Birzer <Longshot@pressroom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Scandinavian singers and my first time.
Message-ID: <17431.980109@pressroom.com>
>the fact that this is a Swedish band blows my mind...I mean, you'd never
>guess it reading the lyrics, the liner notes, or listening to the
>singers' accents. They sound sorta British, I guess, but not
>Scandinavian by any means. But the music itself is a massive blend of
Actually, this is true for a lot of Scandinavian bands. Take Abba for
instance. They didn't speak English, but sang it without an accent.
I don't know why this is true, though.
The first time I heard Dream Theater was when I put the cassette into
my car stereo on my way back to school. Yes, I bought the album
without hearing any song first. This was back before this list
existed and they were talked about a lot on TNMS. I bought I&W and
Marillion's "Six of one half, half dozen of the other" and listened to
both on my two hour drive back to school. I&W just blew me away.
Marillion just couldn't compare after that. (Even tho they have grown
on me since.)
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Jason Birzer There is a theory which states that if anyone
"The Longshot" discovers what the Universe is for and why it
is here, it will instantly disappear and be
Longshot@Pressroom.com replaced by something even more bizarre and
inexplicable. There is another theory which
states that this has already happened -Douglas Adams
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 09:26:08 EST
From: "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts
Message-ID: <9801091426.AA24114@us7rmc.bb.dec.com>
>BTW Who said that playing fast sucks? Shoot the
>son-of-a-bitch :)
Isn't the guy who said that already dead? ;-)
And yea, Fasten Your Seatbelts kicks ass!
Josh
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Read: Bitching and more....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980109104645.14446B-100000@bdmserver>
Whoever is replying to this thread or whoever started this thread, please
turn off MIME encoding or whatever it is. This is not readable by anyone
using an ascii reader (ie anyone on a unix system, I am using PINE).
So please stop posting in MIME.
What it looks like to us is below:
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide |
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:44:00 -0500
From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: waste of space
Message-ID: <199801091539.KAA03692@bertelsmanncis.com>
from graham:
>One more time, you have been asked nicely...........
>Yes Eric La Rue you are guilty of this, stop wasting bandwidth
>with you overlong signature and quadruple spacing.
you know what gets me? i saw your warning to this guy yesterday, and i
was thinking, wow, i'm glad someone pointed this out. i personally
would be mortified if i was pissing everyone off enough that someone
would have to tell me to stop. but then today, i get to work, open jam
3429, and see that this eric paul larue wasted lines and lines of space
again, talking about how much he enjoys the spice girls album, no less!
and this was before he got to his waste-of-space sig. i must say,
graham & ptacek... you handled this a lot more patiently and tactfully
than i wanted to. well done.
moral of the story: eric larue--trim the fat, please, and respect the
wishes of fellow jammers.
--MATt
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:52:55 -0600
From: "Mr. Matt" <MattG@apqc.org>
To: "'YtseJam List'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Would you like to sit and talk to me..."
Message-ID: <01BD1CE4.5D8A2E20.MattG@apqc.org>
> 1) Read: Bitching and more....
> by "Mr. Matt" <MattG@apqc.org>
I don't know what the hell all of that binary-looking stuff was - or even
what that post was suppoed to be, but it looks as though it might have come
from me (how, I don't know, cuz I haven't posted in a number of weeks).
So, sorry for all of that wasted bandwidth, I guess.
<OPINION>
Here's the bottom line for me. I'd never even heard of Derek before the
loss of The Kev-ster in Our Favorite Band. According to others who have,
he's a bad ass. So, I take it on faith that a band of DT's calibre
wouldn't hire just anybody to replace the now-legendary KevMo. In other
words, "he's got the chops".
However, I was weaned on the sweet milk of Dream Theater's Kevin era. As a
member of the band, Kevin was as tight as it gets (I can already hear the
jokes forming in your head, Mogus, but I mean as a musician!). He always
set the mood well, held up the background while JP was working his 6 (or
7)-string magic, and consistently kicked the sorry prog-lovin' ass of
everyone of us jammers with his tasteful yet mind-blowing keyboard
gymnastics (if you've forgotten, just re-listen to his solo on Take the
Time - it's a fookin' masterpiece!). He sounded like a friggin' second
guitarist in the band! Sorry to see him him go (he was also a major asset
in the songwriting department), but I wish him well.
Derek, by contrast has not had the benefit of recording three albums with
the Greatest Band on The Planet. So, I'm trying to reserve judgement on
whether he cuts the mustard (hearing him line would help, eh?). What I've
heard so far on the latest album kicks ass, but differs quite a bit
stylistically from KevMo's work. Is this good? Bad? I dunno. As long as
DT's making killer albums 'til I'm in my own band, I don't really care.
But, Derek seems to me to still be trying to find his place in the DT
framework. I know that sounds strange, since he's been a member for like a
year or more, right? But, while he seems to be holding up the back end
pretty well (though still not like Kev did - or maybe it's just the
production on this album?), he just doesn't have the aural presence that
Kevin had. Kev was every bit the soloist that Petrucci is and their unison
runs in much of DT's songs were a sound to behold. Derek and Petrucci keep
up the tradition nicely. I like Derek's tone. It was different when I
first heard it, but I dig it now - and that ribbon shit is really weird!
Anyway, I think Derek deserves his place in the band and I wish him every
bit of success and praise as his talent merits - but I still miss my KevMo!
:)
</OPINION>
Matt Gonzales
AKA "Mr. Matt"
AKA "Genghis"
MattG@apqc.org
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:37 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What?
Message-ID: <85256587.0054F097.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Just a thought, but if DT wants more commercial success, maybe James
should
use the lower end of his range more often...<<
Please say this is a joke! If you feel this way, then maybe Mike should
stop playing any rolls on his kit, JP can stop playing solos, and JM can
learn to play like Gene Simmons.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:55:07 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enuff Already!
Message-ID: <85256587.0055529F.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>I am really curious to hear how Enuff Z'Nuff sold out. I have everything
they've released and their style has remained intact throughout the
years.<<
I don't feel like flaming, but here is my opinion. You ask, "How did they
sell out"? Maybe by dressing like women and coloring their hair green.
Let's not forget all the chessy pop, songs they have put out over the
years.
Their music wasn't as bad as say Faster Pussycat, but their image was
worse. That IMHO is selling out.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:09 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 1st Time
Message-ID: <85256587.00555BAF.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>Hi gang. New Jammer here. I'm curious to hear how / if everyone was
>affected the first time you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you remember
the
>moment?
I rememeber reading about a band named Majesty in a magizine (It might have
been Kerrang). The mag said that this band sounds like Rush and
Queensryche (two of my favorites). I knew I had to hear them. About 6
months later a friend of mine said "check this new album out by Dream
Theater." I loved it. My friend said that they used to be called Majesty.
And thus my quest ended.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:37 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stop it!
Message-ID: <85256587.0055B590.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Eric Paul LaRue<<
Just stop it already. Please!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:59:30 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTP
Message-ID: <85256587.0055DC65.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Is the Liquid Tension Project out now, or soon to be out? I haven't
seen it yet. Do any of the online stores have it?<<
I asked MP about it in Atlanta on December 16th, and he said some time in
March.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:01:56 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: C Farley (No DTC)
Message-ID: <85256587.00567E82.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Hey Charlie K, don't pay out Chris Farley, or I'll take you to the ...
vet?<<
What the hell does that mean? I loved Farley. I am just pissed that he
didn't see his own death coming. Even my wife said he was going to drop
dead soon if he didn't stop screwing around. Did you see him on Leno a few
months before he died? I did, and I almost cried as I just saw the
inevitable coming.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:02:48 -0700
From: "Brian J. Ketelsen" <bketelsen@earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Read: Bitching and more....
Message-ID: <003301bd1d18$0863f0f0$070325a6@csp03996.cs.mci.com>
The problem isn't the replies, it's all the fancy new email programs.
The original author of the _bitching and more_ -- "Eric S P Parker" -- has
an option turned on in his mail program to notify him when his colleagues
read the mail he sends. He's using this same "Office oriented" email
program to read and post to the 'Jam. Everyone else who has email programs
that support this kind of "Read Receipt" is unaware that their mail program
is automatically replying to the 'Jam when they read it. Shoot Eric, not
all the repliers, they know not what they do.
BrianK
-----Original Message-----
]From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:58 AM
Subject: Read: Bitching and more....
>
>Whoever is replying to this thread or whoever started this thread, please
>turn off MIME encoding or whatever it is. This is not readable by anyone
>using an ascii reader (ie anyone on a unix system, I am using PINE).
>
>So please stop posting in MIME.
>
>What it looks like to us is below:
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>| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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>| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
>| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide |
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:08:59 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kix
Message-ID: <85256587.0056AD5F.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>I could care less about Faster Pussycat or Enuf-z-nuff but how can you
consider Kix a sellout?<<
First of all someone else defended Enuff Z'Nuff, but said Kix was a
sellout. Maybe the two of you should duke it out? :-)
I consider Kix a sellout simply because I think they dressed like a bunch
of weenies, and tried to sound like AC/DC. I don't think AC/DC is a
sellout, but trying to sound like them is selling out. Trying to benifit
on the sound of another IMHO is selling out. You may disagree, but this is
the way I see it.
>>Kix constantly put out
something that was between Hard Rock and Metal. Where did they sell out? <<
You don't have to be "wimpy" to sell out. Metal bands can sell out also.
>>All the 80's hard rock bands put out a
ballad.<<
I don't have a problem with ballads. I like some (the Scorpions wrote some
killer ballads).
>>Kix could have
gone the alternative route but they did not.<<
What exactly do you consider alternative? Isn't alternative what the
majority isn't listening to? If REM and Pearl Jam sell millions of records
they are no longer alternative in my book.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:34:13 -0200
From: Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RES: First DT Listen
Message-ID: <E093B0819442D111AD45002048089A6F3BF516@itapoa.datasul.com.br>
> > Hi gang. New Jammer here. I'm curious to hear how / if everyone
> was
> > affected the first time you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you
> remember
> the moment?
I use to buy CDs from bands playing other band's songs (doing
covers). And when I went to Highway Music (music store) on a 1995's
saturday morning, the CD player was playing "The Big Medley" from ACOS.
I asked for band's name and I noticed that it was Dream Theater. As I
was used to listen the songs from that medley (and all that songs from
Uncovered show), I bought the CD.
I listened to the whole CD and I loved all that cover songs, but
listening the first track (ACOS), written by Dream Theater, I caught me
enjoying that unknown band (for me). And then I went to Highway Music
again, searching for another CD from that great band... The second one
was Awake and I really like that album!!! "A Mind Beside Itself" is one
of the greatest prog/metal/technical songs ever recorded!!!!!
Then I was learning to live with DT songs round my head and I
definitly became a fan: I bought Live at Marquee, Images & Words and the
video Live In Tokyo, everything in one and only time!!! And as soon as
FII arrived at Highway Music, I was the first buyer...
That's my history with DT...
Parffit Jim Balsanelli
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:43:42 -0800
From: "Shawn Donovan" <shawnd@nwlink.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <003201bd1d1d$bf8eb620$888514d1@default>
Can you please remove me from your list, Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jan 1980 00:39:47 -0500
From: Andrew <inanna@globalserve.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lets talk music Jammers
Message-ID: <12CEF5A3.623@globalserve.net>
The Liquid Tension album I believe comes out late Feb. or early March.
Something for Alex Lifeson fans. Jeff Martin of the Tea Party did a solo
gig at Lifeson's club in Toronto. Lifeson thought it would be a great
idea to do a blues jam with Jeff. Well Jeff Martin absolutely distroyed
Alex. AL looked like he'd never even played a blues scale in his life.
He was horrible, but then again Jeff Martin is amazing. I'm not saying
Alex sucks, because he's far from that, I'm just saying he's a one style
wonder.
Here are my choices for albums of the year and Bombs of the year please
tell me if you agree.
BOMBS OF 97
1. Metallica Load of crap
2. Fates Warning Pleasent shade of boredom
3. Bush Dance disco boy
4. Queensryche no comment
5. Live it's no Secrcet Someboya sucks
6. Genesis Turn us over were done
7. David Lee Roth Greatest Hit_
8. Aerosmith I think we've heard this song before
9. Rolling Stones Wheel chairs to Babalon
10. Motely Crue I love the Crue but not this time
*.Hanson & Spice Girls for obvious reasons
Top Albums of 97
1. Radio Head OK Computer
2. DT FII
3. G3 Satriani, Johnson, Vai
4. The Tea Party Transmision
5. Big Wreck In Loving Memory Of....
6. Rush Hey it's Rush
7. The Doors Box set
8. Spock's Beard it's pretty good
9. Faith No More Album of the year
10. Pantera Live
These are just my opinions so chill out!
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:12:27 -0500
From: shenanigan@45150.com (Derek Shenanigan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Various Replies
Message-ID: <v01530506b0dc04403bb6@[209.50.100.122]>
>>> Fantasy Records in Montgomery, AL has this stuff mail-order. They changed
>>> the name of their company to Rokkage Records or something like that.
>>Heheh - I know the woman that runs this outfit. When I was living on the
>>Alabama/Florida line a friend and I made the drive to Montgomery so we
>>could browse the stock and save shipping charges. It turned out that it
>>is an operation run out of the spare room in her house! She was very
>>friendly about it, though
Yea, she's been doing this thing for a long time I guess, since I've been
receiving her catalogues for many years. Never have bought anything from
them though. Most of it is hard to find / boots / and odds & ends like
backstage passes, which I'm not really in to. What's this "Electric" thing
by Rush you got?
>>and hey, a jammer somewhat in my vicinity, where are you anyway dude?
>>(im in dayton)
I'm not the guy you were askin, but I'm in Cinci. Been to any shows lately?
-Jeff
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:17:04 -0600
From: Eric Heisserer <erich@apqc.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: music knowledge a prerequisite?
Message-ID: <l03020904b0dbb612cc11@[205.219.25.58]>
All of my friends who took music classes in school or tried playing in a
band have a great appreciation for DT--some of them die-hard fans. The
rest of my friends don't like them. Aside from the deprecating remarks
about LaBrie's vocal range, I also hear:
"It sounds too frantic, like they're just making it up on the spot."
"Where's the friggin' beat?"
"Very busy stuff. It's too confusing."
"Why's the guitarist over-dubbing his own solo?"
--when KM is mimicking JP
Do you have to be a musician (prof/amateur) to get into DT? I hope not.
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Eric Heisserer
APQC
erich@apqc.org
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