YTSEJAM digest 3428

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Fri Jan 09 1998 - 00:05:59 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 3428

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3427
     by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
      2) Re: Re: Live DT
     by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
      3) Read: Bitching and more....
     by Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
      4) Read: Bitching and more....
     by Marty and Lisa Johnson <martyj@erols.com>
      5) tape trading
     by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
      6) DT instrumental and other stories
     by shenanigan@45150.com (Derek Shenanigan)
      7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3425
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3426
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
      9) Re: first DT experience
     by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
     10) Hollow Years single
     by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
     11) luv it!
     by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
     12) BINARY/SPECIAL ENCODED/MIME MAIL
     by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
     13) A variety of things, and some DTC for once
     by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
     14) Re: Jewel Case
     by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
     15) Argh!
     by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
     16) re:First DT experience
     by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>

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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:48:52 -0800
    From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3427
    Message-ID: <199801090151.RAA14046@baygate.bayarea.net>

    Would whoever keeps sending these messages to the 'jam please stop!

    > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:42:36 -0500
    > From: David Edwards <bub@maine.rr.com>
    > To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    > Subject: Read: Bitching and more....
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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:27:41 -0800
    From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Re: Live DT
    Message-ID: <199801090229.SAA23913@baygate.bayarea.net>

    washburn@cyberhighway.net wrote:

    > 90% of you know you
    > like it but just have a stigma that someone else tried muddling the song.
    > What Mike said about it in the DTIFC mag basically decried any of the
    > Desmond Child pouts alot of people have.

    I'd just like to say that I don't agree with the comment that people
    would like You Not Me if they didn't know anything about Desmond
    Child's involvement. As I said before, I thought that You Not Me was
    a very weak song before I knew that Desmond Child had any involvement
    with it. You Not Me just does not appeal to me in any way. Period.
    It doesn't matter who wrote it; I've heard the song. I feel the same
    way about Innocence Faded, and Desmond Child had nothing to with that
    one. FII still kicks major ass overall; there just happens to be one
    song that I personally don't like.

    Paul
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    Paul Humm
    humm@levy.com

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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:33:51 -0500
    From: Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Read: Bitching and more....
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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:09:13 -0500
    From: Marty and Lisa Johnson <martyj@erols.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Read: Bitching and more....
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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:52:36 -0500 (EST)
    From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List),
    Subject: tape trading
    Message-ID: <199801090252.VAA28121@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>

    Hi all, and sorry for the CCs here, but kinda important news. I read
    something about trading of tapes, and it is kinda disturbing, where
    the Recording Industry Association of America actually went after a
    trader. Full story is at:
    http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/9532.html

    no idea if this is reliable or not.

    -- 
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    | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe ---  |   In Stores NOW!!     |
    +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
                                  Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
    Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/
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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:21:06 -0500 From: shenanigan@45150.com (Derek Shenanigan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT instrumental and other stories Message-ID: <v01530503b0db447730b1@[209.50.100.122]>

    >>If anyone out there knows how I can get DT's Instrumental albums or >>other videos besides Live in Japan let me know. I live in Canada.

    Fantasy Records in Montgomery, AL has this stuff mail-order. They changed the name of their company to Rokkage Records or something like that. Sorry I threw the catalogue away the other day - I just aint got the money for that $#!+ yet.

    >>Oh, well. 90% of you know you like it but just have a stigma that >>someone else tried muddling the song.

    Nope. Don't like the guitar riff. Sorry.

    >>I'm curious to hear how / if everyone was affected the first time >>you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you remember the moment?

    Yep. Friend played 30 seconds of Light Fuse & Get the Hell Away and I bought the tape the next day (Tape, did he say TAPE? Hey it was still the 80's, ok?)

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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:37:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3425 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980108223136.129176B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>

    On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: In a somewhat related example, TV ratings > are determined by 1000 or so households in the US, and all of these homes > must have at least one child (I'm referring to the homes with the permanate > meters, not the folks that get a diary they're supposed to fill out for a > week). Wouldn't it be interesting to see what TV ratings were like if the > sample pool was greatly expanded, or if even everyone's house was wired? > I'd suspect that similar results would occure as when record charts > drastically changed when actual sales results were measured.

    Not to be picky, but my apartment is part of the Nielson ratings. Me. All by myself. I represent about 500,000 homes. Pretty cool, huh? And no, I don't have a child and I don't have to fill out a diary. It's a permanent meter. The great thing about this is that I get to jack up the ratings for things I like (like Motley Crue on the American Music Awards and MTV's It Came From The 80s II: Metal Goes Pop special). I love power.

    Richie

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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:43:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3426 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980108223851.129176C-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>

    On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: You can be a poor sell out. Look at Kix, Faster Pussycat, and > Enuf-Z-Nuff.

    I am really curious to hear how Enuff Z'Nuff sold out. I have everything they've released and their style has remained intact throughout the years. The production style may have changed (as have two band members) but the songwriting has, to my ears, never been targeted to satisfy a certain constituency. That's not to say that I like everything by them. I hate 90% of "Tweaked." But I wouldn't call that selling out.

    Richie

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    Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:43:59 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: first DT experience Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980108224359.006ba1a8@postoffice.ptd.net>

    At 03:23 PM 1/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi gang. New Jammer here. I'm curious to hear how / if everyone was >affected the first time you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you remember the >moment?

    The moment of fate for me was hearing the entire AMBI on Fingers' Metal Shop one night during the summer of '95. I had heard PMU, Lie, TSM, and CIAW on the radio before but ashamedly never really got into DT until that one night. (Honestly, I thought they were good musicians but just a little too "cheezy", especially James' vocals :) It was kind of a "Ok, I'll DEFINITELY have to check out one of these guys' albums" thing. Man, I had no idea what I was in for! I ordered Awake through the mail, and got pretty excited when I first popped it into my CD player. It sounded better with each listen. I started picking up on the odd ts's and what not, catching more notes in each solo w/each listen, etc. I was amazed. I bought ACOS about a month later (a song that helped me through some of that teenage-depression shit), I&W the following Jan., and WDADU a year later (when I FINALLY found it in a store) I now listen to all of my DT CD's an average of once a week or 2 . . . all of my other albums get a spin once a month or so. DT has been for over 2 years and ALWAYS will be my favorite band.

    Well, that's my DT story. It could have been longer, but I don't want to take up TOO much 'jam space :)

    cArPe DiEm, bRiAn

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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:52:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hollow Years single Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980108224819.129176D-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>

    I bought the Hollow Years single and here's my $.02:

    You Or Me: First of all, I LOVE the channel surfing in the beginning. Though it gives the song a more socially conscious slant (which I usually HATE), it works here. I am glad that they decided to forgo the gradual build into the song for the FII version. It works much better just having Mike kick things off. Is it just me, or is YOM a bit slower than YNM? Probably just me. Anyway, the song pretty much stays true to YNM (slight lyrical changes aside), until the chorus. Here is where Desmond Child's influence really came into play. And I fully expect to be in the minority when I say that he SAVED this song. The YOM chorus just drags, both lyrically and melodically. In terms of lyrics, YOM seems to be about becoming something that you are not, as opposed the YNM which seems to reject that very notion. In terms of melody, JL vox sound uncharacteristly devoid of life on YOM and the melody itself is rather bland. One thing I do think should have made into onto the FII version is the little keyboard interlude before the solo, which have some very subtle but very cool harmonies from JL. Gives the song a much-needed dynamic. And is it just me, or is YOM, as whole, much more keyboard-dominated than YNM? Again, probably just me. I also think the guitar solo on YNM is much better than YOM and I am glad that they cut the repeat of the pre-chorus after the solo. As a whole, I would have to say that I prefer YNM over YOM. BTW, is that Sam Kinison talking about sin at the end of the song?

    The Way It Used To Be: Some have compared this song to TLF or Don t Look Past Me in terms of it being an ultra-catchy song that was left off an album. In that respect, those people are right. And while TWIUTB, is very pop, very catchy, and ultimately very cool, it falls short of those two songs. This heavily U2-influenced song is JL s weakest lyrical work in DT to date (and I LOVE the lyrics to CIAW and AL). It seems to be an anti-touring song ( I cant stand the crowds/ Or the smell that surrounds me), or at the very least an anti-traveling song, which is fine. But the lyrics just seem too...obvious isn't the right word...too easy maybe . That's not to say the vocal performance isn't strong, because it is. Anyway, the last negative comment I have on the song is on the arrangement. WAY too many repeats of the "Looking back on the water..." section and the middle of the song seems to wander a bit. Anyway, enough negative stuff. I love the harmonized "whoa"s after the second chorus. Speaking of harmonies, Ive got money that says that JP is singing back-up vox during the "ooos" and "ahhs" with JL.. Sounds absolutely killer! But the real highlight for me is the guitar solo after James yells "Hey!" The boys sound like they are just having fun and jamming and it rocks. Reminds me a bit of some of JPs solo on the LiT video. Overall, I like the song a lot. Would I put it on DT mix for somebody? Depends on the person. That's alll for now. Next up, my review of MP's instructional video.

    Richie

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    Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:06:36 -0600 From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: luv it! Message-ID: <199801090407.UAA25791@odin.ax.com>

    just got the Christmas CD in the mail today -- this rockz!

    many thanx to the band and all involved.

    Izzzzz ____________________________________

    "That's the trouble with engineers, I guess, not enough life to distract them." ____________________________________

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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:10:37 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BINARY/SPECIAL ENCODED/MIME MAIL Message-ID: <199801090410.UAA28921@gms.gmsnet.com>

    Stop sending these messages through the mailing list or you will be banned!

    -The Doc

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    Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:12:50 PST From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A variety of things, and some DTC for once Message-ID: <19980109041250.518.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Okee dokee...haven't posted in a while, so some of this might be a bit dated.

    Was it just me, or did Graham actually say that Keith Emerson might have been a good choice for filling the DT keyboard chair? I mean maybe I just read it wrong but uhhhhhhhh somehow I don't think Keith's style would mesh with the rest of the band too well *lol* especially since he's like twice their age, practically. (P.S. I bought ELP's "Live at the Royal Albert Hall"....don't make the same mistake. It's horrid.)

    Let me make one final comment about Derek vs. Kevmo....whether you like Derek or Kev more it's not that important....DS is in the band, KM is not. End of story =) myself, I'm not really partial to either one....they're pretty different.

    To the "drummer fraternity" (a Bruford quote =) )....I play heels down on the basses (double bass, not double pedal, just two bass drums) but I play heels up on the hihat....is that normal? *lol* I also play backwards....left hand on hihat/ride, right on snare, etc. You can extrapolate where the rest of the set is from that. =) Some of my drummer friends will sit down at my kit and go "huh?" It drove my drum teacher nuts until he went to a conference and met Gene whats-his-name, the guy from Strapping Young Lad....apparently he plays the same way and he's a helluva drummer, so Doc's quit trying to turn me around. (yay) Oh, and I use Tama pedals....don't even ask me what the model name is, I don't even remember....HP something, I think.

    Got three albums from Laser's Edge you all might be interested in hearing about.... Stratovarius, "Episode": I have heard some really good things about this band. Going by this CD, I'm confused. Some of the tracks blew my mind....these guys are *fast.* But that's about all they've got going for them. The chord progressions are probably what really hurts it. I mean, they're all predictable, and I was really never surprised by anything on this album, other than the pure speed on some of the tracks, and the fact that there were real choirs and strings used instead of keys....speaking of keys, the harpsichord sound that appears occasionally is interesting, but didn't appear often enough to be an important aspect of the band's style. The guitarist is insane, he's very good, and the vocals are more than competent. (Is it just me, or does he sound like Geoff Tate?) The drummer's fills were pretty boring, when he did them....overall, I'd say this band has mucho potential, and they just need to get away from J.S. Bach. I mean, I swear, the "circle" progression (where you move by fourths until you finally reach tonic) is something they abuse the fuck out of...anyway, if they have any albums which have a bit more variety to them (the riff is a tool which is overused by just about any avergae metal bands...) somebody please tell me =) 6.5/10

    Philharmonie, "Nord": If you guys like King Crimson's 80s work, this French band is seriously good stuff. It's *definitely* rooted in the whole "Discipline" style, but they do some very different thing with it. For one thing, the compositions are much more complex than KC's stuff tends to be from that era, and since it's an instrumental band, there aren't any annoying Belew-isms to put up with ("it wouldn't matter to a man with an open heart..."). Some of the song titles are kind of funny ("Morphine in the Skin of a Walrus") but they don't mean anything. There is a Chapman Stickist, for those of you who like that thing....I also "Rage" by them, and I think I like "Rage" a bit better, because there's less Phillip Glass on that one...as the title implies, it's somewhat more active and aggressive than "Nord"...this is definitely *not* commercial music in any sense. If you tried to play it at parties most people would fall asleep, because it's rather serious and repetitve. At first, it's just too much to swallow all at once, but let it grow on you, because after a while it will. 8.5/10

    Anekdoten, "Vemod": Three words: wow. Wow. Wow. This is phenomenal shit. Imagine King Crimson's "Red" album, with some very well done operatic vocals instead of Wetton's rough voice, and imagine a *lot* of doom and gloom, and that's Anekdoten. This album just continues to blow me away more every time I listen to it. The lineup is drums, bass, guitar/mellotron/vocals, and cello/mellotron/vocals. The cellist is female (something you don't often see in prog rock...don't ask me why, I'm a musician not a behavioral psychonlogist) and she has a gorgeous voice. Unfortunately she only shows up on vocals on one track, the electrifying "Wheel." The other vocalist also has a terrific voice, and the fact that this is a Swedish band blows my mind...I mean, you'd never guess it reading the lyrics, the liner notes, or listening to the singers' accents. They sound sorta British, I guess, but not Scandinavian by any means. But the music itself is a massive blend of mellotron-laden heavy prog--distorted Rickenbacker bass, some very good drumming, tasteful chops on guitar, the delicate singing, and when the cello makes its appearance it's definitely a unique texture. The songwriting is excellent, the lyrics are topnotch, and very eerie, the production is practically flawless...all in all one helluva debut album. The *only* flaw I can think of--and this is a bit of a stretch--is that the band doesn't quite have the adventurous, avant-garde edginess that the Red Monarch always had. Especially with consummate musicians like Bruford and Fripp, you could never tell what in the hell was coming next. Anekdoten isn't really as artsy-fartsy as Crimson is, but they sure are a damn good, gothic rock band. Highly recommended. 9.5/10

    Sorry for the huge post. Happy new year, etc., etc.

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    Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:09:40 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jewel Case Message-ID: <34B5A304.93D29359@sydney.net>

    Brian wrote:

    > Actually, I think the reason for this is because the fan club is located > in England and there are people all over the world in the club, probably > a lot in the US, I would expect, and it would cost a FORTUNE to send all > those CDs overseas with jewel cases.

    Yeah didn't I say this already ?

    graham :)

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    Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:13:47 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Argh! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980108201347.008449f0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>

    >> Hi gang. New Jammer here. I'm curious to hear how / if everyone was >> affected the first time you ever heard Dream Theater... Do you remember the >> moment?

    I cant believe how many times Ive seen this thread come up on the jam since Ive been here. It amazes me even more how many people sink in and respond.

    But it surprises the sh*t out of me that I am tempted to respond to this for the tenth time : )

    9th grade, thought it was 80s cheese whiz, then listened to the guitar run before the chorus in PMU, and when the seziure stopped, I knew I had found the meaning to my life.

    Just couldnt help myself.

    Jon

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    Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:43:58 EST From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re:First DT experience Message-ID: <31035039.34b5ab0f@aol.com>

    I got into DT when I heard PMU on the radio. To show you how god awful the musical climate was, I bought the "3 little pigs" single by Green Jello on the same day! I actually didn't like Images and Words so I didn't listen to it again. Call me an idiot, I was 14. One night driving home a couple years later, I heard "ACOS" in its entirety on WHJY in Providence's "Metal Zone" and I was floored! I couldn't believe how good it was. The CD wasn't out yet, so I bought "Awake" instead. It's been all downhill since! Seen 'em 3 times!

    Art

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