YTSEJAM Digest 3424
Today's Topics:
1) KM Keyboards
by krackley@weidmuller.com
2) drums
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
3) Derek live, you're sick, KevMo again
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
4) KM & DS
by "Rosinski, Michal" <rosinmi@warsaw.whitecase.com>
5) Re; DS Trinity model
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
6) TTT and KM vs. TOT and DS
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
7) irony of Mr. Kevin Moore
by EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com>
8) FII and Kevin Shirley
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
9) Re: Dream Theatre---thats my cup of tea....?
by "Ozzy Osbourne" <ozzy@space.net.au>
10) UACM / GEPR
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts
by "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
12) Re: Radio can suck my ass
by belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) DerShe's vs. KevMo's style
by 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse)
14) Re: JLMB Keyboards
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
15) Derek
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) The Spice that Vanderbilt
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
17) breast signing
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
18) Emerson's Lake and Palmetto Sanctuary
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:47:35 -0500
From: krackley@weidmuller.com
Subject: KM Keyboards
Message-ID: <199801081547.KAA00152@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Peter wrote:
> I think that Kevin is the very man who has unique style.
You want to hear KM's "unique" style, listen to any Tangerine Dream CD.
I, for one, enjoy both keyboardist. But, you can't listen to MP without
hearing some Neil Peart, you can't listen to DS without hearing some
Elton John, and you can't listen to KM without hearing some Ralph
Wadephul or Paul Haslinger.
I also look foreword to the Chromakey CD, but I don't think it will be as
good as DT, he hasn't surrounded himself with the same caliber of
musicians as DT.
P.S.: I hope he doesn't sing any songs, he sucked on the demo version of
SDV.
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:42:38 PST
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: drums
Message-ID: <19980108154238.20555.qmail@hotmail.com>
>we're on the subject of bass drums let me start the debate on heel up
>or =
>heel down, i can't imagine that anyone still plays with heel down or
>am =
>i wrong?
I play heel down, but my feet donīt touch the ground but are maybe an
inch or two from it.My feet hardly move when I play my ankles do most of
the work.My feet hardly ever tense up even when Iīm playing really
fast.I think Dave Lombardo(formerly with Slayer)plays like this.
-Vilzu-
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:58:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek live, you're sick, KevMo again
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980108100910.16224B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
]From WashburnX3...
> The band enlisted Jordan Rudess first who was in for a very short
> amount of time and then picked up Derek who at the time had long hair and
> was made fun of by Mike for being Mr. Arena Rock, so Derek showed his
> enthusiasm by lopping the bangs and not wearing large hoop earings and tight
> leather pants. (At least I HOPE he quit doing that.) heheh. Anyway, image
> has nothing to do with it...
Er, Derek's still wearing the tight leather pants and big earrings. And
terrifying everyone with his onstage antics. Bafu's recent commentary on
him was dead-on. :)
]From Jon K:
> Damn, I hope that if I ever leave for a while and then come back to the
> list, that a whole bunch of grown men will drop to their knees for me, too...
>
> haha : )
You sick bastard. Take your perversions elsewhere...oh, that's not what
you meant? Oh, sorry...:)
]From Bernardo:
> Someone wrote about Derek Sherinian being too 'over
> the top'. What does it mean?
Methinks it refers to his live playing. I definitely don't think it's
because he's too loud in the mix. I wish it were so...my main complaint
with Kevin Shirley is that Derek's sound just doesn't stand out the way it
should on FII.
]From Peter:
> And I believe
> that Chromakey's "Dead Air for Radios" will be much better
> than FII. In sensible lyrics and real emotions for sure!
This is the first thing I've heard about Chromakey in ages. Do you have
more info on it, like a release date or anything?
My own point of view on the Kevin vs. Derek debate: I liked Kevin's work
with DT. I like Derek's work with DT. That's all I need to say.
Cheers,
Phil
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Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Helloween -- "Keeper of the Seven Keys, Part I"
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 16:59:47 -0500
From: "Rosinski, Michal" <rosinmi@warsaw.whitecase.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KM & DS
Message-ID: <58D8B4340122450F@smtp.whitecase.com>
Hi Josh!
I've never seen DT live, except small parts of their gig by European VIVA
Channel. It should be a great experience for me to see them live, but I
haven't had a possibility to do this. Maybe this year. I agree that live
shows are different than listening to CD's, so hope, I'll have an
opportunity to see them live.
Regards, Mike
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:21:57 -0500 (EST)
From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re; DS Trinity model
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980108111837.13144A-100000@rac4.wam.umd.edu>
It's the Trinity Pro. 76-key version with the prophecy board. Check out
the newest issue of Keyboard for the details.
- ilya
--
No bass, no peace /\
Know bass, know peace /\/ \ /\ /\
/\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\ /
/\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ /\/
/ ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. .. \.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 11:32:00 EST
From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TTT and KM vs. TOT and DS
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.884277120.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
I've been reading all these comparisons about KM and DS, and thought I'd
throw my 2 cents in. I would have inserted my posts into the other relavent
posts, but I'm computer illiterate. Anyway, IMHO the 2 best keyboard solos
are KM's in TTT and DS's in TOT. This is where both keyboard players had the
most soloing time to show off. I think it's a pretty close competition in
this case. In comparing these two solos i am curious what other fellow
jammers think. I will say that I like the way KM's piano playing style is
slightly more appealing to me. But I like DS's choices of sounds.
Personally, I think MetII will be the best indicator of who is more appealing
to the fans. DS was RIGHT ON LIVE. Too much ass-flaming wiggle didn't seem
to effect his playing.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:32:02 EST
From: EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: irony of Mr. Kevin Moore
Message-ID: <8d6162b5.34b4ff84@aol.com>
Something has always puzzled me about Kevin's leaving. The direction the band
now seems to have taken would embrace (to a point) Kevin's new direction in
music. Hearing both his demos and the chroma key stuff, several songs could
have definitely been "dt'ed" i.e "Even the Waves" or "Shallow" or "Chroma
Key". With all of Derek's "trimming the fat" ideas, Kevin might have turned
out fit into DT's quest to break into mainstream music. His songwriting
(especially now) lends itself to shorter, and less complex songs. I mean I
never understood why DT never released "Surrounded" or "6:00" as singles.
Granted they are a little long but they are far better reflections of what Dt
is, rather than AD or Lie. People want to hear something new, the
aforementioned examples are.
Obviously he didnt' want to do DT anymore, but I think a compromise could have
been reached.
-Eric
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 11:39:44 EST
From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII and Kevin Shirley
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.884277584.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
Just a few observations about the production. In AL, wouldn't you say the
drums come in just a few hundred decibles too high? In PS, do you think that
Kevin Shirley could have turned JP's guitar a little higher during the heavy
part at the end? I do like hearing so much of JM though. All in all it
could have had a "cleaner" sound, but it's definitely better. I prefer MP's
"pringle" sounding drums (I'm actually starting to like that sound) over MP's
"popcorn" sounding drums thanks to David Prater. Most songs on FII I can't
complain about, but the inconsistency messes up the flow a little bit for me.
Just some anal retentive observations I made because I have no life right now.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:40:21 +0800
From: "Ozzy Osbourne" <ozzy@space.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Dream Theatre---thats my cup of tea....?
Message-ID: <199801081640.AAA12408@sigma.space.net.au>
Can anyone tell me where I can get a list of all official single releases
of DT??? I have got Lie and Silent Man...
I can only dream of seeing DT live as I live in Perth, Western
Australia...and hardly any bands come here...I have seen Def Leppard,
Metallica, Pantera, Sepultura, Paradise Lost, Fear Factory, Carcass,
Cathedral, Entombed....But what about DT? Or any other prog met bands???
Not enough radio play...and not enough fans...so, I can understand why DT
needs to write commercial stuff...but even so, I have not heard DT on the
radio here once...never...
And I happen to be someone who likes all of FII not just because it is full
on brilliant...but also because it is DT....if it was them that released
that stupid Barby Girl song, I would probably like it because it is DT...I
just love their sound, and you can't top James LaBrie on vocals...(not that
I care, but what ever happened to Charlie Dominici?)
Best DT song ever...Lifting Shadows Off A Dream....
Best CD of 1997...other than FII...Ozzmosis...
Any here like W.A.S.P. ...especially The Crimson Idol???
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:42 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: UACM / GEPR
Message-ID: <01BD1C5F.579511E0@Polaski.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Woolcock wrote :
> On an off note, does anyone here ALSO spend hours on end making
> MIDI files of DT songs? I'm making one of 6:00 at the moment,
> and I'll probably post it to Under A Cyber Moon
> ( http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ ).
Cool... looking forward to it. :-) New midi's, tablatures,
pictures, etc. are always more than welcome ! Make sure you
guys check out the list of recent updates regularly, because
I add new stuff almost every single day.
_____
Pat Sullivan wrote :
> I was browsing through the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive
> Rock, and I came upon a couple of quotes about OFB that I thought
> were pretty ironic, given the current discussion about the
> "commercialism" of FII.
Heh. I asked that crap site for a reciprocal link for "Under
A Cyber Moon", around New Year's Day. Got a reply from them,
telling me they try to link to Official sites only. Oh well.
Guess they care more about the "official" status, than about
how current the actual information is...
I'm trying to reciprocate links with lots of important sites
(prog sites, webzines, online record stores, etc.)... If you
know about a great site that might be interested/interesting
in/for exchanging links with UACM, please email me their URL
(and if possible, a contact addy) at itchy@dreamt.org :-)
Thanks,
Mark
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:16:43 +0200
From: "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fasten Your Seatbelts
Message-ID: <199801081722.TAA13209@elf.dlc.fi>
>Well, if you're too impatient to wait to hear it live for the first
>time, get the MP3
>at http://web.mit.edu/bogie/ if ya want to.
Jesus H. F***ing Christ! That was unbeliveable!
Why is it that everytime I think DT can't surprise me anymore no
matter what they did they pull something like this from their sleeve?
I can't wait to see them live!
BTW Who said that playing fast sucks? Shoot the
son-of-a-bitch :)
Toni
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:50:39 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Radio can suck my ass
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980108124956.19386A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> >Radio only plays what their listeners want
> >to hear. Same with MTV.
> Who are these listeners?!?!?
> Spice Girls sold like 15 million cds, but I don't know anyone who has
> one.
That's because every owner of a Spice Girls CD denies that he owns one.
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:49:16 -0400 (AST)
From: 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DerShe's vs. KevMo's style
Message-ID: <199801081749.NAA11993@dragon.acadiau.ca>
Luke wrote:
> It's called a pitch bender AFAIK, I don't know about Derek 'cause I have
> yet to see them live, but couldn't Kev pull of some wicked shit with
> this thing ?
As a keyboard player, I have looked pretty closely at this.
Yes, he sure could, and in my opinion, he did a lot more considering the
equipment he used. A lot of Derek's sound comes from something that
really takes no skill -- the Prophecy and Trinity have a pressure
sensitive ribbon that produced things like harmonics, filter sweeps, and
feedback type sounds. Kevin used a Korg DW-8000 from the mid-80s that had
only a joystick (pitch bending and vibrato), but still made some very
interesting sounds. I think Kevin was a much more PURE keyboard player.
Those of you who listened to the concert on liveconcerts.com will have
some idea of what I'm talking about. For example, that weird
feedbacky-bendy thing at the beginning of LITS is PRE-RECORDED.
Derek's hit the button to play it quite a few times during the night
between songs. One thing that I think made KevMo great was that he used
very little (if any) MIDI or external control.
Then there's the topic of how Derek's sounds mimic a guitar so much, but
I won't even get into that :)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:08:54 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JLMB Keyboards
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980108130854.00e2a480@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
At 02:33 AM 1/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
> I was under the assumption that the solo that went from the left to
> right speakers was all keyboard, can someone clarify this for me? I
> have listened to it a lot, to try to figure it out, and came to this
> conclusion because I think I can here the guitar playing a chunky
> power cord type thing behind the keyboard.
No, this is incorrect. DS and JP are playing the solo in unison the whole
way through. The guitar is primarily panned to one side, and the keys
panned to the opposite side. Then the mix of both is panned back and
forth, alternating the emphasis between the keys and guitar, and then back
to an equal mix (panned in the middle) for the ending. It has also been
noted that for this part, DS used a guitar-like patch, and JP used a
synthy-like guitar sound, which would make the two instruments sound a bit
similar. The chunky guitar you hear in the background is most likely just
another rhythm guitar track.
HTH,
KAI
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:11:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek
Message-ID: <199801081811.NAA25365@umbc8.umbc.edu>
To all the nay-sayer who negate any notion that Derek has a unique sound
by saying "duh...duh...buy a Trinity and you'll get Derek's
sound...duh...": read Keyboard magazine. That guitar sound in the intro
to LitS isn't a Trinity.
KILLER article, by the way. Anyone who's into Derek <or staddling the
fence> should read it!
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:09:10 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Spice that Vanderbilt
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980108130910.0070703c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>>Radio only plays what their listeners want
>>to hear. Same with MTV.
>Who are these listeners?!?!?
>Spice Girls sold like 15 million cds, but I don't know anyone who has
>one.
You should get to know more teenybopper girls within the 10-14 age bracket.
<pause> Not like *that*! People, people...
My ears have just stopped ringing from the Long Island show the other day.
Meaning it must've been good, right? Anyhow, due to a smegload of
forgetfulness on my part, I left my earplugs in the car. To further
compound the problem, my laziness kicked in, and I didn't even bother
trying to find my way out to them again. Lack of 'plugs probably isn't a
problem for most of you folk, but I've fairly sensitive hearing (read:
"wussy") and... At least it wasn't as bad as my first Rush show. I
literally heard little more than ringing for three or four days afterward,
and my full hearing didn't return for at least a week. Scary stuff,
considering the permanence of ear damage.
As far as concert socialism, er, socialization goes, I saw Syrinx and Mr.
Merlo, but didn't make the 'rounds' beyond that (again, due to laziness,
plus heaps of poor social skills). I seemed to be in a rather 'Jammer
concentrated area, so I'm sure some of you folk saw me. I was the tall
gangly weiner with the 'pony', the one every one of you probably wanted to
smack repeatedly for standing in front of you. And so it goes... I must
say the Vanderbilt is a kick-ass venue, probably one of the best I've been
to. They actually had circulating air! Who'da thunk it.
At the local Taco Bell after the show (the only fast-food joint that was
still open after 11:00 in the immediate area -- what's up with that?), I
was talking to my friend, Erik, the shorter, clean-cut guy next to me at
the concert with the booming radio-friendly voice. We got to discussion of
Galactic Cowboys. He said he liked the band, but his major problem with
them, and a number of other bands enjoyed by many kids on this list were
the "barbershop" vocals. I've heard of many reasons to not like a band
before ("the singer sounds like a girl" for instance), but this one seemed
particularly ludicrous. Who in their right mind dislikes vocal harmonies?
Aye-aye-aye...
In a related story, this same friend is in the process of converting one of
our senior managers at work to DT fan. She's 50-something and a
grandmother. Her favourite band...? Metallica.
No kidding.
Brian
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:30:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: breast signing
Message-ID: <199801081830.NAA27843@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> >>People that say DT has sold out should take a look at
> the real sell outs: Metallica, Queensryche and I Mother Earth<<
Ok, last time. Metallica DIDN'T sell out, Queensryche DID, and nobody
cares about I Mother Earth. OK?
:)
> steve z wrote:
>
> >>The funniest part was afterward when she wanted James to sign her breasts
> and James, the good married man that he is, opted to sign her hand
> instead<<
>
> i will NEVER EVER understand the mentality of some tramp asking a member of a
> band to sign their breasts. ever. what class.
You know, neither do I. Any part of the body. You're just going to wash
it off, right? <I hope?>
However, having said that I must also say that someday when I'm a famous
<and, God-willing, single> metal singer I will probably autograph any
fine-looking pair of breasts that walk up to me. :)
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:35:18 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Emerson's Lake and Palmetto Sanctuary
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980108133518.00705e3c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>What's Keith Emerson up to these days anyway ?
ELP is back together (and has been since the early '90s) and touring (or
was recently -- haven't gotten an ELP Digest for a while), doing primarily
a greatest-hits set. Dunno if you've heard any of their newer studio
albums, but they're far inferior, "In the Hot Seat" in particular, to their
old stuff. The reason for this is they (and their producers especially)
were trying to re-win the American radio audience. It took 'em awhile, but
they finally realized this is not going to happen. Radio's not what it
used to be and DJs can't play what they want anymore. Coming out in '98 or
'99, they've a new album in the works, something in the vein of "Tarkus".
Long epic sort of thing, prog-fodder, y'know.
In regards to Keith specifically, it seems he's fully recovered from his
hand surgery. That threw him off for a good bit, but if you take a listen
to his track on the Magna Carta album, "Steinway To Heaven", and compare it
to the live version of the same song (Ginastera's "Dance Creole") on "Live
at the Royal Albert Hall" (recorded soon after the surgery), you can see
he's back to normal, i.e. good.
Anyhow, hopefully with the new album and everything, it'll pull ELP out of
their slump (which started in, what, 1978?). They've certainly got a lot
of talent/potential, so it's definitely possible.
Brian "Manticore" Henderson
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