YTSEJAM Digest 3450
Today's Topics:
1) You all kick ass... AGAIN!!
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
2) Re:Bone in my mouth, size of a boulder :)
by hwoodson <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
3) Kevin Moore back...
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
4) Re: New CDs
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
5) superior
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
6) Re: superior
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
7) Guitar Tab
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
8) guitar tab
by "Justin" <justin@intelliworks.net>
9) Jamie the dragon,
by Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch>
10) ojsan
by Gomersson Fredrik <di96gofr@ios.chalmers.se>
11) DT shows in Europe.
by "Rosinski, Michal" <rosinmi@warsaw.whitecase.com>
12) Sorry for stirring up the jam about Kevin.
by Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch>
13) Re: DS Trinity model
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
14) Finneus Gauge
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
15) Miles Davis
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
16) Arrrggggghhhhh!!!
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
17) My AWAKE and IAW Tab books have arrived!!! :)
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
18) two legit opinions
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
19) 80's Metal List?
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:53:36 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You all kick ass... AGAIN!!
Message-ID: <34BB39A0.5952@goodnet.com>
Man, this is TWICE in one week that I've had this sentiment... you all
kick ass!! Thanks a ton for watchin' my back in the Ptacek argument.
I'll watch yours anytime you need it. Man, I got kinda heated up back
there.. hope I didn't weird anyone out. You all know I'd rather be
havin' fun at a DT show somewhere.
And just for those who don't know or never found out: yes, I give Mike
Portnoy free discs of everything. I try to give him 4 or 5 of each
title, to distribute as he sees fit, and I will give him more if he asks
for it. Thanks to the stud we call "Syrinx", he now has his Mosaic discs
hand delivered, and I hope he digs 'em.
All's well in the physical world of boots. I finished the master today
for "And the 1% Rules America" (Queensryche). For lack of any way to
position the material better, it will be a triple CD of two complete
Mindcrime tour shows back to back, with bonuses. One of the two shows is
soundboard, the other audience DAT, and both are just amazing with
setlists different enough to warrant inclusion. Since VS has been
frustrating to manufacture, I'll put this one off til VS's orders are
completely fulfilled, and limit it to 100 or so to be safe.
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 23:37:34 -0500 From: hwoodson <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Bone in my mouth, size of a boulder :) Message-ID: <34B5A98E.6BEB@ix.netcom.com>
>DT is considered progressive by most on here, right? What if you found >out they all smoked pot today. Would you be upset if, by the time next >album came out, they hadn't progressed to the harder narcotic >substances? Would you feel like they had sold out just to keep their >relatively "straight" fan base? Is it possible that they're all on >acid, >and when they play, they hear everything they play in 4/4?
Hmmmm, that's about it for now, time to go re-up :):)
*------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
ROFLMAO Absolutely HILARIOUS! I freakin' hear ya man !! keep up the good ones...they add a good time to reading through what seems like thousands of JAMS a day !!!
Zildjian
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:56:35 +1030 From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin Moore back... Message-ID: <199801131024.UAA19181@goliath.camtech.com.au>
Choon-Kang: > I met Kevin on saturday around noon (local time mid-europe) on the Ytsejam > channel. He mentioned he might be back with DT 'when the money is right' > and he also said 'Derek won't last too long.'
I think this could be a good thing - KM has undoubtably heard DT since DS joined. Maybe KM will adapt to accept some of the heavier and jazzier riffs that DS has brought to DT. If Kevin keeps his own style while also 'jazzing' up some songs like Derek did, we may see a completely new face of DT - hopefully for the better.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "Lifting shadows off a Dream once broken She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" - DT ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:35:59 -0800 From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New CDs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980113023554.00722760@pop3.concentric.net>
>> Finneus Gauge - More Once More >> ------------------------------
(SLAMMING snipped but oh my ged did it make me laugh)
Mike comes back with emotion, and continues with...
> hahaha. man, you gave me the laugh i needed. lemme guess - your >favvorite album of 1997 was REload, right?
My guess: "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" maybe? :)
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:37:06 +1000 From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: superior Message-ID: <34BB43D2.6914@winshop.com.au>
> so, if anyone can remind me why I'd know that name (flotsam and > jetsam), I'd be much obliged.....
I believe it's a chapter in one of the books in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. That's where I remember that name from, don't know much about the band....
> > I would also recommend Superior's "Behind". A another great album > > that is similar to DT.
> On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend Superior. Reminds me a lot of > Crimson Glory, if you remember them. This is more like standard metal > if you ask me, even though there's keyboards/piano.
I have to strongly disagree with this. Superior totally rock ! Okay, so they might not be as complex as DT or LV, but that isn't something to take away from them. There is still plenty of prog elements in there and in the times they lack the technical drive, they compensate more than enough with sheer energy and power that takes them far beyond any similar bands, such as Savatage and Crimson Glory.
Superb vocals; Good, heavy, crunching guitars; solid, crisp rhythm structures courtesy of great bass and drum work; all polished off with some excellent keys make this CD well worth a listen.
Well, IMHO anyway...
Luke.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:10:21 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: superior Message-ID: <34BB4B9D.3499CFB@sydney.net>
Luke wrote:
> Superb vocals; Good, heavy, crunching guitars; solid, crisp rhythm > structures courtesy of great bass and drum work; all polished off with > some excellent keys make this CD well worth a listen.
Wow, what a perfect description of 'Behind'.Can't wait to hear the follow up which should be out later this year. Great to know there are more Aussies who have the good taste to like Superior too :)
graham
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 +1030 From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Guitar Tab Message-ID: <199801131116.VAA22850@goliath.camtech.com.au>
If anyone wants guitar tab for any songs from Awake, I can type it out and send it (I've got the tab book, which includes guitar arrangements for keyboard as well). I can do anything from I&W as well, but I the book's in the mail at the moment, and could be at least two weeks in coming.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "Lifting shadows off a Dream once broken She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" - DT ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:32:15 -0500 From: "Justin" <justin@intelliworks.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: guitar tab Message-ID: <01bd2016$e64087c0$246a04d1@Justin>
>>Eckie scribbled on the wall: > >> Uhhggg, does anyone else here agree with me when I say that whoever does >> the tab work for the DT songs on the Under a Cyber Moon web site >> sucks???????? Don't get me wrong here, I appreciate the fact that these >> guys are trying to help other guitarists out but come on, if they can't do >> it then they have no business trying to tab it out! > >Well, Mark's already posted about this before; he's not a guitarist, so >somebody could paste tab to a Spice Girls song and he wouldn't know. >It's this kinda feedback he needs so he can get BETTER tablature. 'N if >somebody else can't tab it out correctly, why dontchya sit down and >learn it by EAR, like a REAL musician would, eh? >;) (I can hear the >burning flames of ytsehell approaching on that comment....) Check out >the PROG OR DIE site, they have some tablatures also, and then there's >harmony-central.com, the site that EVERY instrumental masturbator should >know about by now. > >I've given up on trying to learn the tap pattern for the 6:00 keyboard >intro :P I'm having a better time just picking it out on the guitar. > >> I guess what I'm trying to say, if you want tab, "real tab", then you >> should just buy the tab books because you know that they'll be correct.. > >Heh heh..."real tab?" I'll take a Winter Tabber with my pretzels. >None of that Tab Lite for Eckie, no sir! > >~Eckie fucks his hand up trying to reach the second and 15th frets at >the same time > >P.S.- Yeah, I know....learning by ear takes a shitload of time, but if >ya can't trust the tab, who can ya trust, eh? Carpe Q-Tip! >
Hmmm.... maybe I missunderstood ya when you said that if I were a real musician that I'd figure it out by ear.... Maybe I should tell ya a little about myself..
I've been playing for about 15 years now and been working on DT material for about 3... I can figure out just about anything by ear but it's the little Erotomania type sections where I feel that I should be double checking myself.. Anyone who doesn't and goes to play a DT cover tune out would be dumb...
Maybe you missunderstood me but I don't need the tab for the music, I need it for the double checking... And in a lot of cases, I'm wrong on the fast runs that JP does... But I hardly think that I deserve to be looked down upon as a musician because of that... Music is all I do man... BTW, not meant to argue, just discuss :)
Justin.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:35:47 +0100 (CET) From: Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jamie the dragon, Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980113123446.13917A-100000@troll.studi.unizh.ch>
thanks for the warning and sorry for stirring up the Jam. was on the 2nd time in my entire life. Choon
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:35 +0100 (MET) From: Gomersson Fredrik <di96gofr@ios.chalmers.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ojsan Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980113124550.2b5fb89a@ios.chalmers.se>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 12:29:07 -0500 From: "Rosinski, Michal" <rosinmi@warsaw.whitecase.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT shows in Europe. Message-ID: <7470BB340122450F@smtp.whitecase.com>
Hi ytsejammers! Does anyone know the tour dates of DT in Europe? I'm interested in Berlin or Prague. Thanx very much for informations! Take care! Mike
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:34:17 +0100 (CET) From: Choon-Kang Walther <rcwalthe@studi.unizh.ch> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sorry for stirring up the jam about Kevin. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980113133009.14717H-100000@troll.studi.unizh.ch>
Hi Jammers,
1. I was on the chat for the 2nd time in my entire life.
2. The person who was called Mike, had an '@' in front of the name, which I took for a sign, that some official was on there, also he changed the mode so 'portnoy something'.
3. I than took it for granted that this other person, beeing adressed by everyone as Kevin and logged in and with an adress 'chromakey' would really be Kevin.
4. I've been cured from believing everything on the IRC now.
Cheers Choon-Kang
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:53:17 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DS Trinity model Message-ID: <34BB7FDD.443D715C@netvision.net.il>
@@Damon Fibraio wrote: > > What the hell is the difference between all trinity models, the regular, > plus, pro or xpro?
Trinity is the 61-key version. Plus is with the Prophecy card. Pro is the 76-key version and this is what Derek use AFAIK. Pro-X is the 88-key hard key version.
Laterz, ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attender | -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:54:53 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Finneus Gauge Message-ID: <8525658A.0064B428.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Finneus Gauge - More Once More_Mindless tuneless notestabbing. Utterly unlistenable. These guys wouldn't know a harmony or a key signature if it shoved a tree up their collective arse<<
I am just wondering................Do you like echolyn? I am only asking this to see what type of background you are coming from. I have not yet heard FG, but I love echolyn, and I figured that the two were synonymous
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:09 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Miles Davis Message-ID: <8525658B.00542D48.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>Miles : - Nobody told him what the fuck to play! <<
What about Marcus Miller. He wrote just about everything on the Tutu album by Miles. That was Miles worst period (not to mention those awful Honda scooter ads..........do you remember those?).
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:59:27 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Arrrggggghhhhh!!! Message-ID: <8525658B.005439F9.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>In reality, the minute you sign a record contract, you have sold out.<<
That does it! I will no longer comment on the subject of selling out as no one seems to get it. Including myself :)
Charlie
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:11:08 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My AWAKE and IAW Tab books have arrived!!! :) Message-ID: <32DA6CAC.C5D2B19C@stones.com>
Hello guys,
This is my first posting to this list. I`v been fan of DT for 3 years now and finally got to see them live in Milan last year. There`s no words to discribed that show :) Anyway...My Awake And IAW Tablature books I order a month ago from GB have arrived today and I`m rocking with CD`s.. These books are definately worth buying!!
See ya later!
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:26:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: two legit opinions Message-ID: <199801131722.MAA19723@bertelsmanncis.com>
OK, with everyone absolutely thrashing Chris Ptacek, try looking at it this way: most of us are quite passionate about music. That passion manifests itself in many ways: writing, performing, listening, producing, etc. For most of us also, then, as a result of this passion, the integrity of music as highly personal emotional and intellectual property is extremely important. One possible outcropping of that passion, particularly for a writer of music, is a belief that anyone profitting at all from the music, aside from the writer/performer, shouldn't be.
True, the position is idealistic, perhaps unrealistic, and many of your responses along the lines of "if he didn't, someone else would" and "better him because he's a fan and respects their wishes" reflect this. Chris is only guilty of believing strongly that the artist should profit from his work, and if he doesn't, and someone else does, it's inherently wrong. Forget about, for a second, the fact that Mike Bahr IS a huge fan, and DOES make efforts to respect the band (to a certain, and apparently debatable, degree), and IS honest and dependable and cares about his project--all these things are factors, of course, but at base, he is profitting from someone else's music, and in Chris' eyes, this is wrong.
It's a legitimate position. We don't all have to agree. By the nature of this mailing list, one person is free to say "You do the work of the devil," and the other is free to say, "No, God's on my side, here's the proof."
And everyone else is free to admire two monstrous egos at work.
--MATt
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:00:15 -0800 From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com> To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 80's Metal List? Message-ID: <01BD200A.0E35A380.dthomas@best.com>
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:14:09 -0500 (EST) >From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
>I have yet to encounter something similar to Prisim Records >(with the possible exception of what KAI is doing on the 80s Metal list, >but I have yet to actually "sample" one of his products, although I'm sure >they are of very high quality).
Anyone have any more info on the 80's Metal List mentioned here? I'd be very interested in subscribing to that one.
Dave Thomas - Pixel Planet Reviews of CG software, books, games, comics, movies, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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